Are Apple products overrated?

[JaDed]

Nvidea beating Apple seems like a momentary thing.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

FBI warns iPhone, Android users against unencrypted text messages

The Federal Bureau of Investigation of the US has warned both iPhone and Android users against unencrypted text messages, according to media reports.

In a statement, the FBI has advised them to refrain from sending unencrypted text messages due to escalating cybersecurity concerns. The alert coincides with proposed new regulations and an intensified effort by US authorities to promote more secure communication methods.

While Apple’s recent embrace of Rich Communication Services appeared to herald a new chapter for secure messaging, a new complication has arisen. Messages exchanged between Android and iPhone users are not fully encrypted, although communications between devices of the same platform remain secure.

This comes as fears grow over cyberattacks, especially from hackers targeting US networks, with reports suggesting the scale of such attacks is more significant than previously believed.

In light of such threats, the FBI and the US Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency have encouraged Americans to utilise encrypted messaging services and secure phone calls whenever possible.

FBI warns iPhone, Android users against unencrypted text messages

Alert coincides with proposed new regulations

english.aaj.tv

 

[The Bald Eagle]

After a busy 2024 with the launch of the Apple Vision Pro, iPhone 16 series, and Apple Intelligence, Apple is already preparing for an even bigger year ahead in 2025.

The tech giant is expected to release a slew of exciting products, ranging from new iPhones to innovative smart home devices.

Here's a look at what we can expect from Apple in 2025:

iPhone 17 & iPhone 17 Air ​

Apple’s iPhone 17 lineup is rumoured to include the iPhone 17 Air, which could be the thinnest iPhone ever. At just 0.24 inches, this model may replace the iPhone Plus, offering a 6.6-inch display.

The regular iPhone 17 might feature a ProMotion display and a 24MP front camera, while the Pro Max could sport a sharper 48MP telephoto camera.

iPhone SE 4 ​

The iPhone SE 4, expected to launch in March, will feature a full-screen design with a 6.1-inch OLED display and Face ID.

Powered by the A18 chip and offering a 48MP camera, this phone is set to impress at a budget-friendly price point.

Apple Command Center / HomePad ​

Apple is reportedly working on a smart home device that could compete with Amazon and Google. The rumoured Command Center / HomePad will allow users to control smart devices, make FaceTime calls, and run apps like Safari and Music, all with an intuitive touch screen and voice commands.

M4 MacBook Air ​

The M4 MacBook Air is expected to launch in 2025, featuring an upgraded M4 chip for improved performance, longer battery life, and better support for Apple Intelligence.

AirPods Pro 3 ​

The AirPods Pro 3 could arrive with a slimmer design, a new chip, and potentially new features like heart rate monitoring.

These updates aim to enhance sound quality, noise cancellation, and health-tracking capabilities.

Apple Watch Ultra 3 ​

The Apple Watch Ultra 3 may bring significant upgrades, including hypertension detection, satellite messages, and possibly even blood pressure tracking. A larger display option could also be in the works.

Apple Intelligence ​

Apple continues improving its AI, with updates to Siri that include personal context and integration with third-party apps. These enhancements will allow for more personalized and intelligent responses.

Source: Samaa News

 

[BouncerGuy]

Apple to pay $95m to settle Siri 'listening' lawsuit

Apple has agreed to pay $95m (£77m) to settle a court case alleging some of its devices were listening to people without their permission.

The tech giant was accused of eavesdropping on its customers through its virtual assistant Siri.

The claimants also allege voice recordings were shared with advertisers.

Apple, which has not admitted any wrongdoing, has been approached for comment.

In the preliminary settlement, the tech firm denies any wrongdoing, as well as claims that it "recorded, disclosed to third parties, or failed to delete, conversations recorded as the result of a Siri activation" without consent.

Apple's lawyers also say they will confirm they have "permanently deleted individual Siri audio recordings collected by Apple prior to October 2019".

But the claimants say the tech firm recorded people who activated the virtual assistant unintentionally - without using the phrase "Hey, Siri" to wake it.

And they say advertisers who received the recordings could then look for keywords in them to better target ads.

Class action

Apple has proposed a decision date of 14 February in the court in Oakland, California.

Class action lawsuits work by a small number of people going to court on behalf of a larger group.

If they are successful, the money won is paid out across all claimants.

According to the court documents, each claimant - who has to be based in the US -could be paid up to $20 per Siri-enabled device they owned between 2014 and 2019.

In this case, the lawyers could take 30% of the fee plus expenses - which comes to just under $30m.

By settling, Apple not only denies wrongdoing, but it also avoids the risk of facing a court case which could potentially mean a much larger pay out.

The California company earned $94.9bn in the three months up to 28 September 2024.

Apple has been involved in a number of class action lawsuits in recent years,

In January 2024, it started paying out in a $500m lawsuit which claimed it deliberately slowed down iPhones in the US.

In March, it agreed to pay $490m in a class action led by Norfolk County Council in the UK.

And in November, consumer group Which? started a class action against Apple, accusing it of ripping off customers through its iCloud service.

BBC

 

[JaDed]

If anything the above article makes the devices not overrated but underrated to what extent they are good.

 

[sweep_shot]

Apple to pay $95m to settle Siri 'listening' lawsuit

Apple has agreed to pay $95m (£77m) to settle a court case alleging some of its devices were listening to people without their permission.

The tech giant was accused of eavesdropping on its customers through its virtual assistant Siri.

The claimants also allege voice recordings were shared with advertisers.

Apple, which has not admitted any wrongdoing, has been approached for comment.

In the preliminary settlement, the tech firm denies any wrongdoing, as well as claims that it "recorded, disclosed to third parties, or failed to delete, conversations recorded as the result of a Siri activation" without consent.

Apple's lawyers also say they will confirm they have "permanently deleted individual Siri audio recordings collected by Apple prior to October 2019".

But the claimants say the tech firm recorded people who activated the virtual assistant unintentionally - without using the phrase "Hey, Siri" to wake it.

And they say advertisers who received the recordings could then look for keywords in them to better target ads.

Class action

Apple has proposed a decision date of 14 February in the court in Oakland, California.

Class action lawsuits work by a small number of people going to court on behalf of a larger group.

If they are successful, the money won is paid out across all claimants.

According to the court documents, each claimant - who has to be based in the US -could be paid up to $20 per Siri-enabled device they owned between 2014 and 2019.

In this case, the lawyers could take 30% of the fee plus expenses - which comes to just under $30m.

By settling, Apple not only denies wrongdoing, but it also avoids the risk of facing a court case which could potentially mean a much larger pay out.

The California company earned $94.9bn in the three months up to 28 September 2024.

Apple has been involved in a number of class action lawsuits in recent years,

In January 2024, it started paying out in a $500m lawsuit which claimed it deliberately slowed down iPhones in the US.

In March, it agreed to pay $490m in a class action led by Norfolk County Council in the UK.

And in November, consumer group Which? started a class action against Apple, accusing it of ripping off customers through its iCloud service.

BBC

The fine is justified. Very unethical from Apple to spy on people like this.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Apple halts AI news alerts after errors

Apple has suspended a new artificial intelligence (AI) feature that drew criticism and complaints for making repeated mistakes in its summaries of news headlines.

The tech giant had been facing mounting pressure to withdraw the service, which sent notifications that appeared to come from within news organisations' apps.

"We are working on improvements and will make them available in a future software update," an Apple spokesperson said.

The BBC was among the groups to complain, after an alert generated by Apple's AI falsely told some readers that Luigi Mangione, the man accused of killing UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, had shot himself.

The feature had also inaccurately summarised headlines from the New York Times and the Washington Post, according to reports from journalists and others on social media.

Media outlets and press groups had pushed the company to pull back, warning that the feature was not ready and that AI-generated errors were adding to issues of misinformation and falling trust in news.

The BBC complained to Apple in December but it did not respond until January when it promised a software update that would clarify the role of AI in creating the summaries, which were optional and only available to readers with the latest iPhones.

That prompted a further wave of criticism that the tech giant was not going far enough.

Apple has now decided to disable the feature entirely for news and entertainment apps.

"With the latest beta software releases of iOS 18.3, iPadOS 18.3, and macOS Sequoia 15.3, Notification summaries for the News & Entertainment category will be temporarily unavailable," an Apple spokesperson said.

The company said that for other apps the AI-generated summaries of app alerts will appear using italicised text.

"We're pleased that Apple has listened to our concerns and is pausing the summarisation feature for news," a BBC spokesperson said.

"We look forward to working with them constructively on next steps. Our priority is the accuracy of the news we deliver to audiences which is essential to building and maintaining trust."

Apple had said the feature, which rolled out to users in the UK in December, was intended to make customers' lives more efficient.

It groups together and rewrites previews of multiple recent app notifications into a single alert on users' lock screens.

The decision comes as the company faces pressure to show its AI developments, which investors had been hoping would drive a new wave of demand for iPhones and other technology.

The company's shares fell more than 4% in trading on Thursday after reports sales were struggling in China.

BBC

 

[BouncerGuy]

Apple removes advanced data protection tool in face of UK government request

Apple has taken the unprecedented step of removing its strongest data security tool from customers in the UK, after the government demanded “backdoor” access to user data.

UK users will no longer have access to the advanced data protection (ADP) tool, which uses end-to-end encryption to allow only account holders to view items such as photos or documents they have stored online in the iCloud storage service.

Apple said it was “gravely disappointed” that it would no longer be able to offer the security feature to British customers, after the UK government asked for the right to see the data.

It said the removal of the tool would make users more vulnerable to data breaches from bad actors, and other threats to customer privacy. It would also mean all data was accessible by Apple, which could share it with law enforcement if they had a warrant.

Earlier this month the Home Office served Apple a request under the Investigatory Powers Act, which compels firms to provide information to law enforcement agencies, asking for the right to see users’ encrypted data, which currently not even Apple can access.

After the change at 3pm on Friday, new users had no access to the ADP tool and existing users would need to disable the security feature at a later date. Messaging services like iMessage and FaceTime would remain end-to-end encrypted by default.

Apple said: “We are gravely disappointed that the protections provided by ADP will not be available to our customers in the UK given the continuing rise of data breaches and other threats to customer privacy. Enhancing the security of cloud storage with end-to-end encryption is more urgent than ever before.

“Apple remains committed to offering our users the highest level of security for their personal data and are hopeful that we will be able to do so in the future in the UK. As we have said many times before, we have never built a backdoor or master key to any of our products or services and we never will.”

Alan Woodward, from the University of Sussex, said Apple’s move was “quite an extraordinary development”. The cybersecurity professor said: “It was incredibly naive of the British government to think they could tell Apple what to do.

“Unpleasant a fact of life as it may be, you simply can’t tell a large US technology company what to do. You have to work with them, [practise] diplomacy – that’s what has been tried before and was working. Waving a UK law at them was not going to work.”

He said Apple was sending a message that “you cannot weaken encryption for your enemies without weakening it for your friends”, and that all the government could achieve would be to make its applications less secure for UK users, while obtaining no benefit for intelligence operations.

A cybersecurity expert, Peter Sommer, said technologists had unsuccessfully tried to develop a “foolproof backdoor” for the last 30 years.

“Instead of looking for a universal solution, the Home Office should be concentrating on targeted rather than bulk encryption breach”, given that this ensured “warrants are justified as proportionate and leave the innocent with their privacy”, he said.

A Home Office spokesperson said: “We do not comment on operational matters, including for example confirming or denying the existence of any such notices.”

SOURCE: https://www.theguardian.com/technol...s-advanced-data-protection-tool-uk-government

 

[BouncerGuy]

Apple referred for possible criminal contempt investigation

A US district judge has found Apple wilfully violated her injunction in a case brought by Epic Games - and that a top Apple executive "outright lied" under oath.

The injunction was supposed to block Apple from anti-competitive conduct and pricing, opening the App Store up to outside payment options.

Judge Yvonne Gonzalez Rogers said she was referring the matter to the US Attorney for Northern District of California to investigate whether a criminal contempt proceeding is appropriate.

Apple responded to the ruling late on Wednesday.

"We strongly disagree with the decision. We will comply with the court's order and we will appeal," an Apple spokesperson said.

Wednesday's judgement refers to a 2021 case brought by Epic Games, the maker of Fortnite, one of the world's most popular games, which argued that third-party payment options should be available to customers.

It challenged the up-to-30% cut Apple takes from purchases - and argued that the App Store was monopolistic.

In her 2021 judgement, Judge Gonzalez Rogers stated that Apple could no longer prohibit developers linking to their own purchasing mechanisms.

As well as game purchasing, another example of how this would work is a movie-streaming service being able to tell customers to subscribe via its own website, without using Apple's in-app purchasing mechanism.

In a contempt order issued Wednesday, Judge Gonzalez Rogers found that Apple nevertheless continued to interfere with competition with attempts that the court stated "will not be tolerated".

Judge Gonzalez Rogers added that internal company documents she reviewed showed Apple deliberately violated the injunction.

The documents reveal "that Apple knew exactly what it was doing and at every turn chose the most anticompetitive option", she wrote.

She said CEO Tim Cook ignored executive Phillip Schiller's urging to have Apple comply with the injunction and allowed CFO Luca Maestri to convince him not to.

"Cook chose poorly," she wrote.

She also said Apple's vice-president of finance Alex Roman "outright lied under oath".

The judge wrote that one example of Apple's attempts to evade the injunction included a decision to charge a 27% commission on off-app purchases, when it had previously charged nothing.

The company also imposed new barriers and requirements to discourage customers from using competing purchasing platforms, she said.

In a post on X, Epic Games founder and CEO Tim Sweeney said his company would return Fortnite to the US iOS App Store next week and offered an olive branch to his long-time rival.

"Epic puts forth a peace proposal: if Apple extends the court's friction-free, Apple-tax-free framework worldwide, we'll return 'Fortnite' to the App Store worldwide and drop current and future litigation on the topic," Sweeney wrote.

In another post, he wrote: "NO FEES on web transactions. Game over for the Apple Tax. Apple's 15-30% junk fees are now just as dead here in the United States of America as they are in Europe under the Digital Markets Act. Unlawful here, unlawful there."

BBC

 

[Hitman]

6.4 years since I bought my iPhone Xs Max. Still buttery smooth, and runs like as if just taken out of the box. Just that the battery has fallen to 80%.​

 

[bones]

6.4 years since I bought my iPhone Xs Max. Still buttery smooth, and runs like as if just taken out of the box. Just that the battery has fallen to 80%.​

I know plenty about that phone because I was issued it for work and had it for 4 years before thank God I could finally replace it with an Android one.

The iPhone Xs Max was competing with the Galaxy S20 and is still is. They are petty much the same price in the used market +/- 5% and were in the new market when they released.

If you use Google AI, it tells us that in terms of specs S20 is ahead of the XS Max in every category. It outperforms the iphone comfortably. If you dig further and use the references you'll see they are trying their hardest to justify the inadequacies of the iphone.

Your counter may be, camera, screen quality or battery life, but in these areas the S20 wins and easily. Just look at the specs

The only thing you could successfully argue is "user experience", which is coincidentally the only non-measurable comparison. So all the stats/facts/measurements prove you bought an inferior product and the sad part is, you're happy to boast about it.

 

[Hitman]

I know plenty about that phone because I was issued it for work and had it for 4 years before thank God I could finally replace it with an Android one.

The iPhone Xs Max was competing with the Galaxy S20 and is still is. They are petty much the same price in the used market +/- 5% and were in the new market when they released.

If you use Google AI, it tells us that in terms of specs S20 is ahead of the XS Max in every category. It outperforms the iphone comfortably. If you dig further and use the references you'll see they are trying their hardest to justify the inadequacies of the iphone.

Your counter may be, camera, screen quality or battery life, but in these areas the S20 wins and easily. Just look at the specs

The only thing you could successfully argue is "user experience", which is coincidentally the only non-measurable comparison. So all the stats/facts/measurements prove you bought an inferior product and the sad part is, you're happy to boast about it.

Wanted to buy my first iPhone so I brought the latest one at that time.

 

[Hitman]

Wanted to buy my first iPhone so I brought the latest one at that time.

Bought*

 

[mominsaigol]

@sweep_shot

Here is my take. Apple for its time under Steve Jobs and Wozniack was truly ahead of its time and the most innovative company in the world.

They didnt invent the PC but they revolutionised it. Their idea and execution was so good that Microsoft invested 150M into them as they knew that apple was the onpy company that grow Microsoft as a b2b saas company.

Afterwards they continued to remain ahead of the curve. Their genius idea to create a smartphone and partner up with gorrila glass essentially killed companies like Nokia and black berry who couldnt possibly compete.

However the issue with apple is that overtime it become Louis Vitton of the tech market.

They stopped innovating and started chasing money. Even now with the likes of Zuckerberg, Larry page, Bill gates, Elon musk desperately competing for the AI race, Apple doesnt give a damn.

They are not innovative anymore. Their phones do not offer anything over Samsung or other smartphones, their laptops do not offer anything ober HP, dell etc, their Headphones or smart watches or Vision pro's etc etc aren't innovative.

Spotify and Netflix + Amazon Prime already killed Apple TV and Ios is now losing the race against Android.

The reason they are succeeding is due to Brand value they built since 1968 which allows them to get away with such stupid prices.

Its the same thing with buying watches or Bags. Both of them offer nothing. A regular gold watch is a useless Multimillion dollar purchase, Similarly I laugh when sheikh's buy gold toilets when any toilet can work

But thats all that Apple is. Its a company that banks on rich people being idiots and buying expensive things for the sake of buying expensive things.

Dont get me wrong, am not saying all apple customers are idiots, but at this point, Apple is no longer the Innovative company of the future it once was.

Tesla and Meta's current vision is what Apple's vision use to be in the 90's.

 

[sweep_shot]

@sweep_shot

Here is my take. Apple for its time under Steve Jobs and Wozniack was truly ahead of its time and the most innovative company in the world.

They didnt invent the PC but they revolutionised it. Their idea and execution was so good that Microsoft invested 150M into them as they knew that apple was the onpy company that grow Microsoft as a b2b saas company.

Afterwards they continued to remain ahead of the curve. Their genius idea to create a smartphone and partner up with gorrila glass essentially killed companies like Nokia and black berry who couldnt possibly compete.

However the issue with apple is that overtime it become Louis Vitton of the tech market.

They stopped innovating and started chasing money. Even now with the likes of Zuckerberg, Larry page, Bill gates, Elon musk desperately competing for the AI race, Apple doesnt give a damn.

They are not innovative anymore. Their phones do not offer anything over Samsung or other smartphones, their laptops do not offer anything ober HP, dell etc, their Headphones or smart watches or Vision pro's etc etc aren't innovative.

Spotify and Netflix + Amazon Prime already killed Apple TV and Ios is now losing the race against Android.

The reason they are succeeding is due to Brand value they built since 1968 which allows them to get away with such stupid prices.

Its the same thing with buying watches or Bags. Both of them offer nothing. A regular gold watch is a useless Multimillion dollar purchase, Similarly I laugh when sheikh's buy gold toilets when any toilet can work

But thats all that Apple is. Its a company that banks on rich people being idiots and buying expensive things for the sake of buying expensive things.

Dont get me wrong, am not saying all apple customers are idiots, but at this point, Apple is no longer the Innovative company of the future it once was.

Tesla and Meta's current vision is what Apple's vision use to be in the 90's.

Well said. I agree.

I have never used any Apple product. Don't want to use either. It is like throwing money down the drain.

 

[mominsaigol]

Well said. I agree.

I have never used any Apple product. Don't want to use either. It is like throwing money down the drain.

You have to realise that they lost Jobs in 2011. Steve Jobs wanted to invent the future

Since Jobs died Apple hasnt invented anything new and simply relies on their brand loyalty that had built to overcharge their customers as well as using their money to acquire companies.

Since Jobs they havent invented anything new.

IPhone, Apple laptops, Ios software, Siri etc etc was all Jobs idea.

Jobs was ahead of his time, Siri is a pre cursor to ChatGPT and AI tools ironically. Had Jobs been alive he would have won the Ai race easily. Theirs a reason the likes of Zuckerberg and Elon musk copied him( something they both have admitted to)

After Jobs died, Apple became a luxury company, they havent invented anything new.

They simply improve upon their current products year by year and overcharge their customers.

Apple under Jobs

1) Invented laptops
2) Invented Iphones
3) Invented their current tech
4) Created stores + call centers for customer support
5) Created Siri which is a pre cursor to what would become AI in the future
6) ITunes which is a pre cursor to Spotify and YouTube Music
7) Apple TV which is a pre cursor to Amazon Prime and a huge source of inspiration that allowed netflix to transition from rental to streaming
8) Created Ios which is the reason why Google desperately tried to acquire Android and copy the ios model

And much much more

Apple without Jobs

1) Acquried companies tosell products like beats
2) Use their 50 year old brand loyalty to improve their products marginally year by year and oversell stuff.

They lost the Ai race even though Siri should have been the first one to win the ai race. Apple TV is a joke now. ITunes is dead, etc etc.

Jobs Created the future but after his death Apple is now just a luxury company like Louis vitton. Nvidia, Meta, Google, Amazon and Tesla is clearly pulling ahead and will eventually surpass Apple in valuation once they take over the Ai race.

 

[JaDed]

You have to realise that they lost Jobs in 2011. Steve Jobs wanted to invent the future

Since Jobs died Apple hasnt invented anything new and simply relies on their brand loyalty that had built to overcharge their customers as well as using their money to acquire companies.

Since Jobs they havent invented anything new.

IPhone, Apple laptops, Ios software, Siri etc etc was all Jobs idea.

Jobs was ahead of his time, Siri is a pre cursor to ChatGPT and AI tools ironically. Had Jobs been alive he would have won the Ai race easily. Theirs a reason the likes of Zuckerberg and Elon musk copied him( something they both have admitted to)

After Jobs died, Apple became a luxury company, they havent invented anything new.

They simply improve upon their current products year by year and overcharge their customers.

Apple under Jobs

1) Invented laptops
2) Invented Iphones
3) Invented their current tech
4) Created stores + call centers for customer support
5) Created Siri which is a pre cursor to what would become AI in the future
6) ITunes which is a pre cursor to Spotify and YouTube Music
7) Apple TV which is a pre cursor to Amazon Prime and a huge source of inspiration that allowed netflix to transition from rental to streaming
8) Created Ios which is the reason why Google desperately tried to acquire Android and copy the ios model

And much much more

Apple without Jobs

1) Acquried companies tosell products like beats
2) Use their 50 year old brand loyalty to improve their products marginally year by year and oversell stuff.

They lost the Ai race even though Siri should have been the first one to win the ai race. Apple TV is a joke now. ITunes is dead, etc etc.

Jobs Created the future but after his death Apple is now just a luxury company like Louis vitton. Nvidia, Meta, Google, Amazon and Tesla is clearly pulling ahead and will eventually surpass Apple in valuation once they take over the Ai race.

Unfortunately true, feel so annoyed with apple Maps, Siri so much friction in searching or using their services nowadays.

 

[shaz619]

Unfortunately true, feel so annoyed with apple Maps, Siri so much friction in searching or using their services nowadays.

Isn’t it partly how technology has sort of stagnated a bit as well? I mean going by gaming consoles for example, the new Switch isn’t as big a leap from the first, same for the PS5 and the PS6 will be the same allegedly. I don’t know what innovation is being offered by Apple’s competitors besides the flip? I guess this is where businesses want to get to, e.g. once the formula of coca-cola has been mastered, bring in new low risk flavours every year, keep costs down and the train keeps moving etc Steve Jobs was a genius however so it would have been interesting to see how he’d have approached this period of creative limbo.

 

[rpant_gabba]

Unfortunately true, feel so annoyed with apple Maps, Siri so much friction in searching or using their services nowadays.

You have to realise that they lost Jobs in 2011. Steve Jobs wanted to invent the future

Since Jobs died Apple hasnt invented anything new and simply relies on their brand loyalty that had built to overcharge their customers as well as using their money to acquire companies.

Since Jobs they havent invented anything new.

IPhone, Apple laptops, Ios software, Siri etc etc was all Jobs idea.

Jobs was ahead of his time, Siri is a pre cursor to ChatGPT and AI tools ironically. Had Jobs been alive he would have won the Ai race easily. Theirs a reason the likes of Zuckerberg and Elon musk copied him( something they both have admitted to)

After Jobs died, Apple became a luxury company, they havent invented anything new.

They simply improve upon their current products year by year and overcharge their customers.

Apple under Jobs

1) Invented laptops

huh? IBM, Radioshack and Compaq would like to have a word.

2) Invented Iphones
3) Invented their current tech
4) Created stores + call centers for customer support
5) Created Siri which is a pre cursor to what would become AI in the future
6) ITunes which is a pre cursor to Spotify and YouTube Music
7) Apple TV which is a pre cursor to Amazon Prime and a huge source of inspiration that allowed netflix to transition from rental to streaming

Amazon streaming was introduced in 2006,

Amazon Prime was introduced in 2005

Netflix streaming launched in January 2007

Apple TV launched in January 2007

8) Created Ios which is the reason why Google desperately tried to acquire Android and copy the ios model

Are you religious by any chance? becos you seem to have to no qualms about making stuff up and preaching it

iOS was unveiled in 2007, google bought Android in 2005 and was trying to knockoff Blackberry

 

[mominsaigol]

huh? IBM, Radioshack and Compaq would like to have a word.

Amazon streaming was introduced in 2006,

Amazon Prime was introduced in 2005

Netflix streaming launched in January 2007

Apple TV launched in January 2007


Are you religious by any chance? becos you seem to have to no qualms about making stuff up and preaching it

iOS was unveiled in 2007, google bought Android in 2005 and was trying to knockoff Blackberry

Jobs died in 2011

The products you mentioned came during his era. What on earth are you on about?

 

[rpant_gabba]

Jobs died in 2011 numbskull.

The products you mentioned came during his era. What on earth are you on about?

go read my post again and try to comprehend.

I called your BS on laptop invention, amazon streaming and Netflix. own it.

S$%Thead

 

[bones]

Isn’t it partly how technology has sort of stagnated a bit as well? I mean going by gaming consoles for example, the new Switch isn’t as big a leap from the first, same for the PS5 and the PS6 will be the same allegedly. I don’t know what innovation is being offered by Apple’s competitors besides the flip? I guess this is where businesses want to get to, e.g. once the formula of coca-cola has been mastered, bring in new low risk flavours every year, keep costs down and the train keeps moving etc Steve Jobs was a genius however so it would have been interesting to see how he’d have approached this period of creative limbo.

Steve Jobs was a marketing genius but not the great innovator you guys make out. He had a lot of stolen IP and probably so many settlements outside court that we aren't even aware of.

Its no surprise that he was quotes saying: Good artists copy, great artists steal

 

[mominsaigol]

go read my post again and try to comprehend.

I called your BS on laptop invention, amazon streaming and Netflix. own it.

S$%Thead

I already told you I dont bother reading indian posts all that often. If you wish to grab my attention, sum up your words in 15 words or less.

If you want to write essays you must be another race.

 

[rpant_gabba]

I already told you I dont bother reading indian posts all that often. If you wish to grab my attention, sum up your words in 15 words or less.

If you want to write essays you must be another race.

yup. pea brains often have trouble following logic.

maybe your are just an intellectual coward.

 

[JaDed]

huh? IBM, Radioshack and Compaq would like to have a word.

Amazon streaming was introduced in 2006,

Amazon Prime was introduced in 2005

Netflix streaming launched in January 2007

Apple TV launched in January 2007


Are you religious by any chance? becos you seem to have to no qualms about making stuff up and preaching it

iOS was unveiled in 2007, google bought Android in 2005 and was trying to knockoff Blackberry

Sorry bro what? Not sure how its related to my post?

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Guys please refrain from personal remarks

 

[JaDed]

Isn’t it partly how technology has sort of stagnated a bit as well? I mean going by gaming consoles for example, the new Switch isn’t as big a leap from the first, same for the PS5 and the PS6 will be the same allegedly. I don’t know what innovation is being offered by Apple’s competitors besides the flip? I guess this is where businesses want to get to, e.g. once the formula of coca-cola has been mastered, bring in new low risk flavours every year, keep costs down and the train keeps moving etc Steve Jobs was a genius however so it would have been interesting to see how he’d have approached this period of creative limbo.

That’s true overall but the ease of Android now seems better for me in terms of search, unless I use all Apple products which I don’t I’m feeling a lot of friction , my recent annoyance is with Apple Maps the search sucks, google maps are way ahead now.
Other one is message, I prefer whatsapp to their service.
Only place where I think the software still stands out is Facetime.

My concern more than the phone hardware is how software doesn’t seem like its keeping up with Android anymore, the more AI gets integrated I feel it will become even tougher for me to use Apple.

I have actually started to think if I might go back to Android.

 

[shaz619]

That’s true overall but the ease of Android now seems better for me in terms of search, unless I use all Apple products which I don’t I’m feeling a lot of friction , my recent annoyance is with Apple Maps the search sucks, google maps are way ahead now.
Other one is message, I prefer whatsapp to their service.
Only place where I think the software still stands out is Facetime.

My concern more than the phone hardware is how software doesn’t seem like its keeping up with Android anymore, the more AI gets integrated I feel it will become even tougher for me to use Apple.

I have actually started to think if I might go back to Android.

That’s fair, I prefer google maps to, on the AI topic I agree with you on its benefits, although I have my own views on the automation in general which I find quiet frightening and like more human involvement and see it as a big nuisance for creative folk in the entertainment business. It depends, my opinion is, why change if it does the job? I don’t change my phone every year which a lot of people seem to do these days.

 

[mominsaigol]

yup. pea brains often have trouble following logic.

maybe your are just an intellectual coward.

An indian calling me a coward, irony

 

[JaDed]

That’s fair, I prefer google maps to, on the AI topic I agree with you on its benefits, although I have my own views on the automation in general which I find quiet frightening and like more human involvement and see it as a big nuisance for creative folk in the entertainment business. It depends, my opinion is, why change if it does the job? I don’t change my phone every year which a lot of people seem to do these days.

That’s true, I also don’t understand the point of making a new phone every year honestly.

I do change my phone once in 3-4 years.

Automation should be frightening, I took Waymo and the robo taxis are far ahead , they are also scaling at a crazy level hitting cities faster and fleet increasing in numbers.

 

[rpant_gabba]

Sorry bro what? Not sure how its related to my post?

>>>

Apple under Jobs

1) Invented laptops
7) Apple TV which is a pre cursor to Amazon Prime and a huge source of inspiration that allowed netflix to transition from rental to streaming
8) Created Ios which is the reason why Google desperately tried to acquire Android and copy the ios model

*For momin

 

[JaDed]

>>>

Apple under Jobs

1) Invented laptops
7) Apple TV which is a pre cursor to Amazon Prime and a huge source of inspiration that allowed netflix to transition from rental to streaming
8) Created Ios which is the reason why Google desperately tried to acquire Android and copy the ios model

*For momin

All this happened under Job, which is the post i was responding to, they have definitely innovated a lot my comment is on their current situation esp software which are annoying to me right now due to Android being smoother.

 

[rpant_gabba]

All this happened under Job, which is the post i was responding to, they have definitely innovated a lot my comment is on their current situation esp software which are annoying to me right now due to Android being smoother.

Apple did not invent laptops.

amazon streaming was not inspired by apple TV

Netflix streaming was not inspired by Apple TV

google did not buy android to compete with iOS

 

[rpant_gabba]

@JaDed quoted you message in error

 

[shaz619]

That’s true, I also don’t understand the point of making a new phone every year honestly.

I do change my phone once in 3-4 years.

Automation should be frightening, I took Waymo and the robo taxis are far ahead , they are also scaling at a crazy level hitting cities faster and fleet increasing in numbers.

I forgot my passcode (the security with iphone’s is so good right) and had to do a restore, so I think I’ve extended the phone’s life by another 5 years

There’s nothing really interesting out there besides the flip, I am open to both brands when I do change because neither are cheap these days. iphone are rumoured to do their own variant of the flip and the 20th release should be interesting, I don’t know what the likes of Samsung have planned though.

Bro, I don’t know if you’ve seen the Terminator movies but watch em, after you will give AI the Stone Cold salute.

 

[JaDed]

I forgot my passcode (the security with iphone’s is so good right) and had to do a restore, so I think I’ve extended the phone’s life by another 5 years

There’s nothing really interesting out there besides the flip, I am open to both brands when I do change because neither are cheap these days. iphone are rumoured to do their own variant of the flip and the 20th release should be interesting, I don’t know what the likes of Samsung have planned though.

Bro, I don’t know if you’ve seen the Terminator movies but watch em, after you will give AI the Stone Cold salute.

That’s true but I’m hoping we will be able to monitor it.
I do know there are no guard rails currently, but don’t see how we can do anything against its innovation.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

I always considered Apple products as highly overrated and overpriced. I have never used a single Apple product in my whole life.

Does anyone here think their products are overrated?

Apple products are called overrated by only those that are too poor to afford them. They are consistently the best products @Bhaag Viru Bhaag with best security and great performance.

 

[mominsaigol]

Apple products are called overrated by only those that are too poor to afford them. They are consistently the best products @Bhaag Viru Bhaag with best security and great performance.

No they are not. Apple is best at giving us features we dont care about.

For example Apple Vision Pro gives a better Vr experience then Meta Quest but the difference is minimal. Meta quest and Sony both provide a better gaming experience which is what VR is used for nowadays.

No one wants to watch a movie or view a virtual reality experience unless they are attending a Disney theme park ride.

Similarly their phones and laptops offer a great software service, great camera features, Siri and their ai tech is advanced and better then other phones but they dont allow you to customise your phone.

It's also a pain to find an ips charger at households since Apple is the only product that has their own custom chargers. Ios doesnt allow cross hotspot and WiFi sharing with android either.

With Apple computers you get steam but you obviously miss out on Xbox games pass which is a Windows exclusive program and not available on ios unless you find a way to jailbreak as well.

Apple is focused on providing a luxury feel but its better to opt for android as Google, Meta or Samsung's main vision has always been to provide tools that people need or provide entertainment that people wish to consume

 

[BouncerGuy]

Apple bringing features that android already has for years.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Mastering the perfect smartphone for non-American countries in today’s hyper-connected world is no less daunting than indigenously developing a stealth fighter jet. It’s not merely about assembling high-end hardware or coming up with an OS at par with Android/iOS in controlled environment but about challenging the entire digital ecosystem that has been meticulously built and controlled by a handful of American tech giants.

At first glance, it may seem like a matter of manufacturing prowess or software innovation. But that’s only the surface. The real challenge lies in the deeply entrenched ecosystem of applications and services that define the smartphone experience for billions of users across the globe. And most of these applications whether for communication, productivity, entertainment, or social connection are owned, operated, and optimized by American companies - on a daily basis.

Even if a country or company successfully builds a world-class smartphone, matching or even surpassing Apple or Samsung in terms of design and performance and develops a robust operating system to rival Android or iOS, it still faces a monumental hurdle. The user experience remains heavily dependent on apps like YouTube, Gmail, Outlook, LinkedIn, Instagram, Facebook, Snapchat, WhatsApp, Google Maps, and so on nearly all of which are developed in the United States. These apps are not just compatible with American devices; they’re deeply integrated, optimized, and fine-tuned to work seamlessly with them. On non-American platforms, even if they function, they often do so with limitations, performance gaps, or lack of timely support whether by accident or design.

So, the battle isn’t just about creating a phone or an OS. It’s about creating an entirely self-reliant digital ecosystem, one that can stand independently, offering an equally rich, intuitive, and secure user experience without leaning on American tech infrastructure. That means building alternatives for not just operating systems, but also email platforms, cloud storage, navigation, video streaming, messaging, search engines, app stores, social media, developer tools —the full digital stack. And not just building them, but making them trusted, adopted, and widely used.

It’s worth remembering, however, that disruption is the natural rhythm of technological evolution. Industry titans like Nokia, Blackberry, and Motorola — once seemingly invincible — lost their thrones when they failed to adapt quickly enough to changing paradigms. Their massive war chests and market shares weren’t enough to shield them from irrelevance. In that sense, no company, not even Apple or Google, is immune to disruption. But the sheer scale and entrenchment of today’s American tech dominance means that the next disruption would have to be more than just technological — it would have to be systemic, deliberate, and possibly geopolitical in nature.


- 677 posts until retirement

 

[Rafale Nidhal]

insanely overrated but Apple products are still the most easiest to use and many folks prefer it because its a fashion trend but most prefer it because its easy and not complicated like android counterparts

 

[Mas-LFC]

insanely overrated but Apple products are still the most easiest to use and many folks prefer it because its a fashion trend but most prefer it because its easy and not complicated like android counterparts

Agreed.

Just easy ease of use. hence why I always preferred Iphone. Not saying I cant use Samsung, I like Samsung too in fact Samsung S models are better now. Am just so used to IPhone! Had iphone since the iphone4 came out.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

No they are not. Apple is best at giving us features we dont care about.

For example Apple Vision Pro gives a better Vr experience then Meta Quest but the difference is minimal. Meta quest and Sony both provide a better gaming experience which is what VR is used for nowadays.

No one wants to watch a movie or view a virtual reality experience unless they are attending a Disney theme park ride.

Similarly their phones and laptops offer a great software service, great camera features, Siri and their ai tech is advanced and better then other phones but they dont allow you to customise your phone.

It's also a pain to find an ips charger at households since Apple is the only product that has their own custom chargers. Ios doesnt allow cross hotspot and WiFi sharing with android either.

With Apple computers you get steam but you obviously miss out on Xbox games pass which is a Windows exclusive program and not available on ios unless you find a way to jailbreak as well.

Apple is focused on providing a luxury feel but its better to opt for android as Google, Meta or Samsung's main vision has always been to provide tools that people need or provide entertainment that people wish to consume

Only people who complain about Apple are those who cannot afford it, sorry bro. This is not a shot against you or anyone else who cannot afford Apple but Apple is really meant for premium audience and a specific target market.

 

[mominsaigol]

Only people who complain about Apple are those who cannot afford it, sorry bro. This is not a shot against you or anyone else who cannot afford Apple but Apple is really meant for premium audience and a specific target market.

I can easily afford an apple. My entire family uses apple products except me who uses Samsung.

You're generalising. Even mark Zuckerberg who is 5000000000x richer then both you and I and our entire families combined uses a Samsung as a phone.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

I can easily afford an apple. My entire family uses apple products except me who uses Samsung.

You're generalising. Even mark Zuckerberg who is 5000000000x richer then both you and I and our entire families combined uses a Samsung as a phone.

Bro, sorry if you felt bad, I didn't mean it in a bad way, there is nothing wrong if you cannot buy an Apple Product. Btw it is Apple Products not just Iphone bro.

 

[mominsaigol]

Bro, sorry if you felt bad, I didn't mean it in a bad way, there is nothing wrong if you cannot buy an Apple Product. Btw it is Apple Products not just Iphone bro.

I honestly wish you wouldn't troll and insult 24/7.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

I honestly wish you wouldn't troll and insult 24/7.

As said I didn't mean it in a bad way bro. We are what we are and Apple or not, everyone is human. On topic, Apple Products are Premium and much better. Most rich people use Apple especially non-phone Apple products.

 

[mominsaigol]

As said I didn't mean it in a bad way bro. We are what we are and Apple or not, everyone is human. On topic, Apple Products are Premium and much better. Most rich people use Apple especially non-phone Apple products.

Not all rich people. As I said you're generalising. Zuckerberg doesnt use it.

Apple is a luxury product, no one is denying that, but that doesnt mean every rich person would buy it, just like every rich girl doesnt automatically possess a Louis Vitton bag.

Humans cant be generalised. With that being said yes, my family uses apple products with only a few including myself using Samsung.

Technically I have beats headphones so ig that counts as apple as well.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Not all rich people. As I said you're generalising. Zuckerberg doesnt use it.

Apple is a luxury product, no one is denying that, but that doesnt mean every rich person would buy it, just like every rich girl doesnt automatically possess a Louis Vitton bag.

Humans cant be generalised. With that being said yes, my family uses apple products with only a few including myself using Samsung.

Technically I have beats headphones so ig that counts as apple as well.

Can you provide evidence that Zuckerberg has no Apple Product? Apple Products are more than phones. The premium population knows about this.

 

[mominsaigol]

Can you provide evidence that Zuckerberg has no Apple Product? Apple Products are more than phones. The premium population knows about this.

Zuckerberg obviously has apple products. He literally posted an apple vision pro vs Meta quest review on his Instagram account and was obviously biased towards Meta Quest in said review.

Anyway I will put you on ignore list since you insult me 24/7.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Zuckerberg obviously has apple products. He literally posted an apple vision pro vs Meta quest review on his Instagram account and was obviously biased towards Meta Quest in said review.

Anyway I will put you on ignore list since you insult me 24/7.

I am confused bro. You just said:

Not all rich people. As I said you're generalising. Zuckerberg doesnt use it.

Thread is about Apple Products. Let me know if you want a background on different Apple Products. It is not accessible to a layman.

 

[mominsaigol]

I am confused bro. You just said:

Not all rich people. As I said you're generalising. Zuckerberg doesnt use it.

Thread is about Apple Products. Let me know if you want a background on different Apple Products. It is not accessible to a layman.

I'm stating not all rich people prefer Apple products. And in this world im sure some people dont own any Apple product particular people from China or south Korea.

Someone will have an apple product here and their.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

I'm stating not all rich people prefer Apple products. And in this world im sure some people dont own any Apple product particular people from China or south Korea.

Someone will have an apple product here and their.

Check out their website bro, you will know more about Apple.