Are current Indian bowlers better in South African conditions than Australian bowlers?

[BreadPakoda]

A comparison of the two series so far

Australian bowlers (including current test)
Cummins - 12 wickets @ 26
Starc - 12 wickets @ 30
Hazlewood - 10 wickets @ 32
Lyon - 9 wickets @ 39


Indian bowlers
Mohammad Shami - 15 wickets @ 17
Bhuvi - 10 wickets @ 20
Bumrah - 14 wickets @ 25
Ishant - 8 wickets @ 19
Ashwin - 7 wickets @ 31

Discuss.

 

[IndianFan2018]

AUS had extra help from Bancroft and leadership group, so not a fair comparison

AUS were still bad than what they done till in this tour !

 

[Sidilicious]

The pitches were more conducive to bowling in the India SA series. So the difference in average. You will also find that the Indian batting will average below Aus. That again reinforces my point.

But the Indian bowling did a very good job.

 

[TM Riddle]

No one's gonna take Aussie bowlers' performance in this series seriously from now.

 

[cricketindiafan]

SA struggled to go past 300 on their home pitches vs our bowling. Vs Aussies they seem to be doing that regularly.

Pitches were spicier and more difficult to bat despite claims of "India type" pitches in first two tests.

However Aussie bowling unit is still a lot better than ours. Our bowlers need to repeat performance vs SA for next 12 months to be comparable.

 

[Justcrazy]

No , Aussies are still the best fast bowling attack in the world.

 

[IndianFan2018]

No , Aussies are still the best fast bowling attack in the world.

* Assuming today is the only time Bancroft and Leadership Group tried to tamper the ball in this series, if not ....

 

[Slog]

It's such a shame.

I have always maintained and believed that the Saffers have been tampering the ball from years because if you analyse the pattern of play innings by innings you notice how their wickets come in clumps and the ball starts reversing extravagantly all of a sudden

However they have never been caught except Faf Du Plessis once I think

And Aussies have been caught with their pants down!

 

[Indiafan]

The pitches were more conducive to bowling in the India SA series. So the difference in average. You will also find that the Indian batting will average below Aus. That again reinforces my point.

But the Indian bowling did a very good job.

So what does this tell about Kohli's batting when compared to Smith?

 

[Slog]

So what does this tell about Kohli's batting when compared to Smith?

That one series is a bad sample?

 

[Indiafan]

It's such a shame.

I have always maintained and believed that the Saffers have been tampering the ball from years because if you analyse the pattern of play innings by innings you notice how their wickets come in clumps and the ball starts reversing extravagantly all of a sudden

However they have never been caught except Faf Du Plessis once I think

And Aussies have been caught with their pants down!

Actually, in recent times, this has been happening with many teams. India. SA. Australia. In all their matches. I have seen India bowlers do it both home and away. Opposition will be like 150 for 1 and then collapse and be out for around 250. Old ball wickets falling in clusters has become very common now. In my opinion all teams are using some help on the ball

 

[Indiafan]

That one series is a bad sample?

Maybe the failure of Smith. But the success of Kohli on really green wickets are surely praise worthy?

 

[Sidilicious]

So what does this tell about Kohli's batting when compared to Smith?

Calm down dude, its just one series where Smithy has failed.
Other than the few who will claim that the 2nd test had a 'Indian Pitch', most will agree that Kohli played 3 super clutch knocks in that series. Easily one his best series for me. As I have said before, couple more such series for Kohli in England and Australia this year and he will be equal to Smithy in tests despite a lower average.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Well their main batsmen have been mediocre too

Smith avg 27
Khawaja 24
Marsh1 21
Marsh2 31
Warner 37
Bancroft 39

To be fair, yes, Indian batsmen barring the KING failed
Kohli 48
Rahane 29
Pujara, Sharma, Vijay, Dhawan 16-20
Bhuvi 34

 

[Protea Fan]

The pitches for indian series has been so lively compared to what ausis got hence the head to head comparison is invalid

Being a unit the ausis spearheads are more intimidating without a shadow of doubt

Bw in both the series ABD was the difference

 

[BreadPakoda]

The pitches for indian series has been so lively compared to what ausis got hence the head to head comparison is invalid

Being a unit the ausis spearheads are more intimidating without a shadow of doubt

Bw in both the series ABD was the difference

A bigger difference here to be honest (avg 35 Vs 113). Team selection and luck with the coin were the major factors why India lost.

 

[Slog]

Maybe the failure of Smith. But the success of Kohli on really green wickets are surely praise worthy?

Let's be honest. One of the wickets was fairly subcontinent like. The other was bowler friendly.

But yes he had a great series.

However I have my opinion on their respective position in test cricket now and I won't use this one series to change it either way.

But let's say if this is start of a slump for smith and Kohli goes from strength to stength as he has been going then yes opinions will change

Smiths shady habits in past one year shouldn't be used to judge his batting imo

 

[Slog]

A bigger difference here to be honest (avg 35 Vs 113). Team selection and luck with the coin were the major factors why India lost.

Team selection was pathetic

 

[Protea Fan]

A bigger difference here to be honest (avg 35 Vs 113). Team selection and luck with the coin were the major factors why India lost.

Fortune favours the brave,SA was clearly the better team and would have won the 3rd test too before thrown away cheaply after a good start but don't care much since they already won the series

If one's team selection sucks then thats blatantly up to them only,these are silly excuses to be frank

 

[BreadPakoda]

Team selection was pathetic

Won't be surprised if I see Rohit again in the middle order in England.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Fortune favours the brave,SA was clearly the better team and would have won the 3rd test too before thrown away cheaply after a good start but don't care much since they already won the series

If one's team selection sucks then thats blatantly up to them only,these are silly excuses to be frank

These are not excuses. These are genuine reasons (at least the selection bit) why India lost. As I mentioned, ABD averaged in the mid 30s against India while he is averaging 100+ here. Surely he had a few good knocks against us but we could have won regardless.

 

[Slog]

These are not excuses. These are genuine reasons (at least the selection bit) why India lost. As I mentioned, ABD averaged in the mid 30s against India while he is averaging 100+ here. Surely he had a few good knocks against us but we could have won regardless.

These are pointless at end of the day

Its not Saffers fault that Indian think tank was brainless. Im sure they also have some regrets in terms of tactics which their team pursued and also about luck with injuries. So they can come back and say 'hey if we had done this differently, we would have won more comfortably' They did win the series comfortably in a way since third test was a dead rubber

 

[Protea Fan]

These are not excuses. These are genuine reasons (at least the selection bit) why India lost. As I mentioned, ABD averaged in the mid 30s against India while he is averaging 100+ here. Surely he had a few good knocks against us but we could have won regardless.

ABD avg's in mid 30's won't say the whole story if you have watched the series,did you?

When the series was on he played some sumptuous knocks and thats made the difference

At the end of the day only his double failures in last test when everything was over make the numbers fairly average

Those are genuine reasons only in a fan point of view for me,SA was clearly better team and perfectly did the homework to win the series their

Even i can say faf did a blunder decision to bat first on first test after winning the toss in a green mamba when you had steyn,philander,rabad and morkel.If he did the right decision their then it would have been a cakewalk win

 

[Ab Fan]

It is ABD effect. He cant score against India because of IPL contract. Hence, smashing Australia.

 

[rhony]

The pitches were bowling friendly in Ind vs SA. Considering how good Rabada is and the pitches being helpful to him, it was an amazing test series for Kohli. He dominated Rabada all tour.