Border-Gavaskar Trophy 2024-2025: Did Jasprit Bumrah feast on the worst Australian batting lineup ever?

[Wasim Ghulam]

Outstanding post!

One really has to give it to the Indian hype machine. An average, at most slightly above average, bowler has been propelled to be the best Indian fast bowler of all time. Some in their delusion are even labeling him to be the best Asian fast bowler - never mind how ridiculous that sounds.

Except T20 Final win in Crunch moment Bumrah has failed during Following Occasions

1. Defending 370 Plus Against Eng to Win the series on Seam friendly Track
2. Failing to Dismiss Travis Head in CWC Final
3. Allowing Bang Average NZ to inflict Historical 3-0 defeat at Home
4. Tapping out in Sydney to Square BGT

 

[Pakhs]

I agree to this. It's very challenging to have huge longevity.

For example, Anderson will be always remembred for his volume of wickets. It's insane. I don't think anyone is ever getting to that.

But the point I was making, No one will ever put Andersson in list of elite test bowler like Marshall, Hadlee, McGrath, Ambrose, Steyn etc due to his limitation. No amount of longevity can cover for lack of quality.

Now Longevity is sure a plus point if you make the cut as elite test bowler in the last 50-60 years or at least in your own era due to comparison being easier. It's not hard to see what Anderson did away from home vs another elite test bowler in his era. You can do the same in all era. Elite test bowlers are cut above the rest. Their competition should be with another elite test bowler and yes longevity will elevate them agaisnt each other.

I think people who do not understand the longevity factor fail to truly appreciate Test cricket. This is not specifically about Bumrah—he can still go on to take 400 Test wickets and play 100 Tests—but rather about the broader importance of endurance and sustained excellence in the format.

In the 1980s and 1990s, there were at least six to seven strong Test teams that were genuinely invested in the format. Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka (in the '90s), Australia, England, and the West Indies all had very competitive Test sides. Compare that to the present day, where apart from the Big Three (India, Australia, and England), most other teams have clearly deprioritized Test cricket, often treating it as their third-preferred format behind ODIs and T20s.

Test cricket in decades gone by had global importance rather than the selective importance given to it today. In the past, all major cricketing nations were fully invested in the format, whereas now, only a few teams prioritize it.

For example, teams that only play two-Test series will always be at a disadvantage in the format, as they will never be able to develop their players as much as teams that regularly play three-Test series or longer. Consistently competing in extended series allows players to refine their skills, adapt to different conditions, and gain the experience needed to excel in Test cricket, something that shorter series do not provide.

 

[shariqnoor]

There are about 5 threads in honor of Bumrah’s so-called ATG performance in Australia on the main page of a Pakistani cricket forum.

This represents the power and the influence of the Indian narrative. Same narrative that elevated a joke of a cricketer like Dhoni to legendary status, elevated bang average players like Ashwin and Jadeja as Test greats and elevated a mentally and technically weak Test batsman like Kohli to GOAT status.

Not to mention, a wildly inconsistent and mediocre batsman like VVS Laxman got rebranded as a ‘man of crisis’.

I am bemused and also sick of all the undeserved adulation for Bumrah based on this series where he ended up on the losing side. Let’s deep-dive into what he achieved.

He bowled to a joke of a batting lineup that was arguably the worst batting unit put together by Australia in Test cricket in the last 30 years, expect for perhaps the 2018-19 BGT where a prime Smith and Warner were banned.

Let’s dissect the Australian batting lineup, one by one:

Khawaja - a 38 year old has been who averaged 22 vs Pakistan and 23 vs New Zealand. He did not get ‘Bumrah’d’ in this series - he is simply a has been who is finished at the top level due to his age. His eyes and his judgment are gone.

McSweeney - an average young batsman who made his debut but will never average more than 32-33 in Test cricket and will not play more than 25 Tests.

Konstas - a technically flawed but brave young debutant who got under Bumrah’s skin and made him look like a fool on numerous occasions.

Labuschange - he has been struggling for a very long time now, averaging low 30s. Bumrah actually helped him get some form back and he played a couple of influential innings in this series which he hasn’t done for a while.

Smith - the greatest Test batsman post Don, but not the player he was between 2014-2020. He has been averaging low 30s for a while as well, and yet, Bumrah could not stop him from scoring two series defining centuries.

Head - a maverick who can be a match winner on his day but will always take risks and give chances to the opposition to stifle him. Interestingly enough, Bumrah always fails him to stop him from demolishing India and this series was no different. Bumrah could not stop him from scoring two series defining centuries.

Marsh - no words needed, everyone knows he is a rubbish batsman at Test level.

Carey - an OK batsman at best, not someone any bowling unit will ever lose sleep over.

Webster - made his debut in Sydney.

In addition to the above, bowling all-rounders and tailenders like Cummins, Lyon and Boland all scored runs that tilted the series in Australia’s favor.

Overall, this is a 5/10 Australian batting lineup and the handful of batsmen that could have hurt India did manage to hurt India, so what did Bumrah achieve in this series apart from padding his stats?

Before giving our certifications of “ATG” series this and that, best bowler ever this and that, it is crucial to not lose perspective of what he was up against, and he was up against a batting lineup that is a strong contender for the worst Australian batting unit of all time.

With a dodgy action.

And like I said on another thread, Boland did more damage than Bumrah.

 

[Pakhs]

Except T20 Final win in Crunch moment Bumrah has failed during Following Occasions

1. Defending 370 Plus Against Eng to Win the series on Seam friendly Track
2. Failing to Dismiss Travis Head in CWC Final
3. Allowing Bang Average NZ to inflict Historical 3-0 defeat at Home
4. Tapping out in Sydney to Square BGT

Bumrah is an LOI great. Longevity is not as important in LOI formats; instead, what truly matters is what you win. Limited-overs cricket is all about performing in crunch moments and delivering in high-pressure situations, particularly in major tournaments. Success in LOIs is defined by match-winning performances on the biggest stages.

 

[Buffet]

So if His performance was so Elite and worthy of ATG discussion why would he end up on a side that got 3-1 Defeat handed to them and 4-1 was avoided due to Rain ?

Previous to That 3-0 Defeat against Bang Average NZ side that did not even have Williamson , and with Williamson they got their asses handed to them by England at home just last month proving how average they are

Bumrah made them win Perth test , Does not make Him ATG. It’s after all Just one Test Match. Boland matched him in Rest and we Do not see enough people Praising Boland

Here you go, Circular logic by posters to downplay Bumrah, This poster is saying he did not win.

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Examples of cirucular logics I see in all threads by some of the the same posters,

Top 5 pacers in 5-fers in away win -- Oh, we should ignore wins, it's about team.

Greatest display of fast bowling in decades with 32 wickets at Avg 13, - oh, he did not win anything.

Among the best in tough tours in entire history -- Oh, standard of cricket is poor.

No one else is doing what he is doing --- Oh, context is missing.

Go back to first point and repeat in a loop.


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Winning tests away by taking 5-fers is never easy. Before saying why BUmrah did not win more, you should see what he has already done relative to others.


5-fers in away wins by pacers



In this series itself, he single handedly won one away test. It does not happen often even for elite test bowlers as we can see above.

 

[Buffet]

Boland matched him in Rest and we Do not see enough people Praising Boland

If you don't underwstnd the difference of home and away , then I will leave one pointer.

Patel from India - Mid teen avg in home grounds. No one praised him when comparing with ATG as well.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

This Australian side may not have been great but the Indian team was maybe the worst Indian team to tour Australia in over a decade. Especially with two walking wickets like Kohli and Rohit in the sidend a bunch of other unreliable bats. Their most reliable bat was a 23 year old on his first tour. The other pacers were also pretty mediocre and rarely looked like serious threats. For Bumrah to manage 32 wickets across 5 tests is quite impressive.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Bumrah is an LOI great. Longevity is not as important in LOI formats; instead, what truly matters is what you win. Limited-overs cricket is all about performing in crunch moments and delivering in high-pressure situations, particularly in major tournaments. Success in LOIs is defined by match-winning performances on the biggest stages.

By that Metric , we can call Muhammad Amir LOI Great. He dismissed in Form dilshan during 2009 Final and Again dismissed Peak Kohli and Rohit in 2017. We all know he is not ATG

 

[Extra_Cover]

Bumrah seems to be the topic of the town so here's my 2 cents on the guy.

Without question Bumrah is the best pacer in the world right now. The guy has got everything, his natural angle is to bring ball into right handers sharply, he has also mastered the outswinger (started bowling outswingers 2-3 years back so credit to him to get this under his armory), he had menacing yorker and very good guised slow ball. On top of that he is super accurate as well. All things point to a tremendous fast bowler that we are privileged to witness.

What I'm going to say next is going to hurt people's opinion but here it goes. "Bumrah will not go down as GOAT".

GOAT is basically defined through longevity. Bumrah (being the great bowler he is) will not have a long career. At the moment Bumrah has played 45 tests and at best in the next 2-3 years (if he stays fit) he would play 15 more tests so he is likely to end his career between 60-70 tests which means his wicket tally will hover around 300-350 at best.

When we talk about GOAT fast bowlers we look at the ultimate denominator which is number of wickets. Here we have likes of Anderson, Steyn, Wasim Akram, McGrath, Ambrose, etc all with over 400 test wickets.

Further to above Bumrah is extremely susceptible to injuries given his awkward action. His run-up is awful which means immense pressure on his back and to top it off hyperextension would apply more pressure on elbow joints. Therefore I don't see Bumrah playing for a number of years as he is prone to injuries and have been injured in the past as well.

What Bumrah will be remembered for is incredible peak. At the moment he is in middle of that peak. Couple of other bowlers that come to mind when we talk about peak is Waqar Younis and Shane Bond. Both had incredible peak in their careers but they don't feature in the discussion for GOAT test players.

 

[Ab Fan]

I think we are discussing too much about Bumrah. He is certainly a top 7-8 fast bowler of all-time because he is one of those rare bowlers who not only has a bowling average which is better than anyone else with 200+ wickets, he also has done it at a top level strike rate and a top level economy with performances in various conditions in the world.

We will find some ATG pacers like Rabada, Waqar, Steyn with great SR but economy rate might be on higher side and even great SR is because of minnow bashing of weaker teams.

Then we will find some ATG pacers like Pollock or Walsh who may have great average but their strike rate is almost 59 and often be just economical bowlers.

Bumrah is special due to the fact that he has a SR which is top level especially after you exclude minnows like BD, WI and Zim and yet has a great economy rate and a phenomenal bowling average. All this after playing mostly vs top teams. Decline may happen in latter part of his career but he is simply at top level in all these parameters that you can pretty much guarantee that he is a top 10 league fast bowler of all time at this point of his career too.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Winning tests away by taking 5-fers is never easy. Before saying why BUmrah did not win more, you should see what he has already done relative to others.

so whats the difference between winning with 5W or 4W? so an extra wicket catapults the bowler into ATG?

How many away series of note did Bumrah win except 2018 BGT ?

Check Waqar Younis Exploits in Eng during 1992 Series in Eng. That was Peak England and Waqar’s stats are similar to Bumrah from 2018 BGT

Heck even Haris Rauf got fifer just couple months back in Adelaide against same team to win the series although its not test but it does nt prove anything

Bumrah needs more to get himself placed in ATG list

 

[Buffet]

When we talk about GOAT fast bowlers we look at the ultimate denominator which is number of wickets. Here we have likes of Anderson, Steyn, Wasim Akram, McGrath, Ambrose, etc all with over 400 test wickets.

Further to above Bumrah is extremely susceptible to injuries given his awkward action. His run-up is awful which means immense pressure on his back and to top it off hyperextension would apply more pressure on elbow joints. Therefore I don't see Bumrah playing for a number of years as he is prone to injuries and have been injured in the past as well.

What Bumrah will be remembered for is incredible peak. At the moment he is in middle of that peak. Couple of other bowlers that come to mind when we talk about peak is Waqar Younis and Shane Bond. Both had incredible peak in their careers but they don't feature in the discussion for GOAT test players.

Waqar's was never that good against good teams even in his peak. In test involving top 6 teams during his mythical peak, he averaged 25+ and outperformed by many bowlers when opponents were not bottom teir teams or minnows. Waqar's peak against good teams was way inferior than entire career of Bumrah against good teams. Saying that Bumrah is going through peak like Waqar is way off target. Bond did not even play 20 tests so irrelevant in comparing greats of the game.

Two bold names don't belong with other 3. That's the point I was making when having enough quality to belong in elite test bowler. You can't be in elite test bowler list if you have ordinary record against good teams taken together home and away both and also have veyr few 5-fers in win away against good teams to measure the impact of pacers in changing resutls. Wasim is a tier above Anderson for me, but falls short of elite test class.

 

[Pakhs]

By that Metric , we can call Muhammad Amir LOI Great. He dismissed in Form dilshan during 2009 Final and Again dismissed Peak Kohli and Rohit in 2017. We all know he is not ATG

Yes M Amir can be considered a GOAT LOI bowler for his impact he has had on Pakistan. However winning just one or two ICC tournament wont make you a true LOI great. You will have to di it consistently.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

This Australian side may not have been great but the Indian team was maybe the worst Indian team to tour Australia in over a decade. Especially with two walking wickets like Kohli and Rohit in the sidend a bunch of other unreliable bats. Their most reliable bat was a 23 year old on his first tour. The other pacers were also pretty mediocre and rarely looked like serious threats. For Bumrah to manage 32 wickets across 5 tests is quite impressive.

people here are talking about Bumrah because he won Perth Test which was eventually inconsequential

Shamar Joseph beat the exact Same side that was playing in Perth and took 7 wickets. not only it was match winning performance but also series defining one. But Bumrah’s Perth win deserves ATG discussion? do not know how this can be a real discussion

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Yes M Amir can be considered a GOAT LOI bowler for his impact he has had on Pakistan. However winning just one or two ICC tournament wont make you a true LOI great. You will have to di it consistently.

Same Goes for Bumrah

Amir was a good bowler who faded away eventually. not even close to GREATS

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Bumrah did exceptionally well this series and 32 wickets in 5 tests is still pretty good whichever way you look at it. Everyone knows Bumrah is a class bowler. I won't say he "feasted" on the "worst australian lineup". But the current Australian batting lineup is a far cry from 2 of the best batting lineups I have seen in my life. (Australia of 1999-2007 Langer, Hayden, Ponting, Martyn/M Waugh, M Clarke/S Waugh, Lehmann/Symonds/Watson/Harvey, Gilli, Warne, Lee/McDermott, Gillespie/Kasprowicz, McGrath) and SA of 2008-14 (Smith, Gibbs/Alviro, Amla, Kallis, ABD, Prince, Duminy/Faf/Boucher, Philander/Ntini, Steyn, Harris/Peterson, Morkel).
Apart from Indian lineup 2000s was probably as good as these as well with the likes of Sehwag, Gambhir, Dravid, Tendulkar, Ganguly, Laxman, Dhoni/Karthik.

He was run into the ground by strange tactics of Indian think tank who barely used Reddy as a bowler to be considered one of the front line bowlers and batted too low to be considered a batter.

The Australian lineup is good but you have to admit it's not one of the best batting lineups currently. Smith is past his peak. Warner is gone, Khawaja is nearing his end. The honeymoon period of Labu has well and truly ended. Head is brilliant. Marsh doesn't merit a position as high as no.6. Carey is a serviceable batter like Boucher but not someone who'll score centuries like Gili would. Their bowlers can bat pretty well though.

If you compare the bowling attacks, Boland probably bowled just as well as Bumrah did and probably took more wicets per match in this series than Bumrah despite being a part of an attack that had the wickettakers like Cummins, Starc and Lyon bowling alongside him.

I have not seen a better bowling performance by a bowler in an away tour than what Warne did in 2005 Ashes. 40 wickets in 5 tests, that too outside subcontinent.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

I agree to this. It's very challenging to have huge longevity.

For example, Anderson will be always remembred for his volume of wickets. It's insane. I don't think anyone is ever getting to that.

But the point I was making, No one will ever put Andersson in list of elite test bowler like Marshall, Hadlee, McGrath, Ambrose, Steyn etc due to his limitation. No amount of longevity can cover for lack of quality.

Now Longevity is sure a plus point if you make the cut as elite test bowler in the last 50-60 years or at least in your own era due to comparison being easier. It's not hard to see what Anderson did away from home vs another elite test bowler in his era. You can do the same in all era. Elite test bowlers are cut above the rest. Their competition should be with another elite test bowler and yes longevity will elevate them agaisnt each other.

Anderson and Johnson were distant seconds when Steyn was playing.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Waqar's was never that good against good teams even in his peak. In test involving top 6 teams during his mythical peak, he averaged 25+ and outperformed by many bowlers when opponents were not bottom teir teams or minnows. Waqar's peak against good teams was way inferior than entire career of Bumrah against good teams. Saying that Bumrah is going through peak like Waqar is way off target. Bond did not even play 20 tests so irrelevant in comparing greats of the game.

Two bold names don't belong with other 3. That's the point I was making when having enough quality to belong in elite test bowler. You can't be in elite test bowler list if you have ordinary record against good teams taken together home and away both and also have veyr few 5-fers in win away against good teams to measure the impact of pacers in changing resutls. Wasim is a tier above Anderson for me, but falls short of elite test class.

I Guess you have not watched Enough Cricket

5 match test series between Eng that had Graham Gooch , Peak Alec Stewart and Ian Botham

Pak first win came on back of Waqar’s Fifer
Pak Second and series winning win came in Fifth with Wasim’s Six and Waqar’s Fifer in second Innings. Something Bumrah Failed to do Yesterday Tapping out

 

[IAJ]

I feel the adulation by Indians is genuine. They waited a long time for a pacer of Bumrah's calibre and are star struck. But the bollywood effect is real.

Recently heard lyrics to a song where the singer made a Bumrah reference:

"Jidae peh jayie piche onu kariye tabah
Jivaen jara vichu pattae bandaa, Jassi Bumrah" - Seedhe Maut

Roughly translated: Whoever we go against we destroy them, like Bumrah uproots set people

I really like Bumrah, seems like a hardworking humble guy, but some trolls here are overdoing it and they keep talking rubbish in every thread here at PP. And these trolls are representling their country in a bad way. There are a few very good indian posters here, but just getting too many trolls now, previously there were only one, but now there dozens of joshilas here.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

India will win obviously. Pakistan don't have saim and it's unlikely they'll win in uae vs spinners.

Unlike you lot, I'm not delusional.

I can tell who'll win and who'll lose from a mile away, just like i can tell why a poster is rubbish when he claims 2024 India > classic Australia. Even dr bassim had a laugh lol.

I'm the God of Indian posters.

Pakistan are favourites to beat India. Shaheen , Naseem , Rauf , a rejuvenated Abrar will be too much for Rohit and Kohli.

 

[JaDed]

I really like Bumrah, seems like a hardworking humble guy, but some trolls here are overdoing it and they keep talking rubbish in every thread here at PP. And these trolls are representling their country in a bad way. There are a few very good indian posters here, but just getting too many trolls now, previously there were only one, but now there dozens of joshilas here.

We always notice trolls only when they are on the opposite end.
You are telling me this OP is not trolling? Mr 180 first baited Pakistanis now he is baiting Indians.

 

[mominsaigol]

Pakistan are favourites to beat India. Shaheen , Naseem , Rauf , a rejuvenated Abrar will be too much for Rohit and Kohli.

Yes, I'm also a favourite candidate to become a the next US president.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Yes, I'm also a favourite candidate to become a the next US president.

You yourself said India is talentless , brother. You can't sidetrack with sarcasm now

 

[Buffet]

so whats the difference between winning with 5W or 4W? so an extra wicket catapults the bowler into ATG?

Check Waqar Younis Exploits in Eng during 1992 Series in Eng. That was Peak England and Waqar’s stats are similar to Bumrah from 2018 BGT

Heck even Haris Rauf got fifer just couple months back in Adelaide against same team to win the series although its not test but it does nt prove anything

No, 5-fers in win alone can't catapult anyone to ATG level. That was simply in reply of you trying to downplay best series by pacers in decades by saying he did not win.

Elite test bowlers have,

• Great away avg & SR against top 3-4 teams of their era
• Stand out compared to their peer group
• High impact away against top 3-4 teams of their era,
• Great over all avg & SR against top 3-4 teams of their era

Harris Rauf and Waqar shouldn't be a part of discussion. It's distraction and adds very little in discussion.

Bumrah has played majority of games against good test teams in his era and that too in their den. It's hard to try to filter top teams of all era, so let's go by non-minnows away.


Pacers away output against non-minnows sorted by Avg [ SL was minnow till mid 90s, but lets keep it simple ]






Pacers away output against non-minnows sorted by SR [ Again SL was minnow till mid 90s, but let's keep it simple ]



Bumrah appears in absoulte top in history in away Avg and SR both despite playing majority of games against good teams of his era with very high impact in tough tours by bowling many match changing spells. Combination of all that makes him an ATG.

No modern era pacers is doing what he is doing so talkign about poor standard of cricket is simply one of those circular logic. Every era had just 3-4 good test teams. At least that's what I saw since 90s.

It does not make him the top 3 test bowler for me despite appearing in top in both. I don't rate him even as the top 5 tests bowler right now. I rate him as the elite and top 10 test bowlers in history. He needs to do more to get into top 5 and even more for top 3.

Yes, less games against bottom tier teams and minnows but he averages 9-12 agaisnt BD/Zim/WI/SL. Taking lots of cheaper wickets against bottom tier teams and minnows will be just stats padding and may satisfy longevity crowd, but greatness is turning it on against good teams and if you can do it in their den then you are in elite category.

Yes, he does not have longevity of Marshall, McGrath, Ambrose, Hadlee etc right now and despite appearing in top in both lists, he can't be rated higher than them. That's where longevity argument holds water. It does not hold water when comparing with pacers with vastly inferior raw numbers who also had vastly inferior numbers relative to elite test bowler in their own era.

Bumrah is elite test bowler. Elite test bowlers should be compared to another elite test bowler. Then longevity argument holds water.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Bumrah has proven himself multiple times, so it's a lame reason to say he performed well only against a weak Australian side. We must keep in mind that this same Australian team defeated India 3-1 in this series.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

people here are talking about Bumrah because he won Perth Test which was eventually inconsequential

Shamar Joseph beat the exact Same side that was playing in Perth and took 7 wickets. not only it was match winning performance but also series defining one. But Bumrah’s Perth win deserves ATG discussion? do not know how this can be a real discussion

Not really. I am talking about the larger achievement of taking 32 wickets across 5 test matches. Shamar Joseph put on an incredible performance in test match but would he have taken as many wickets if it was a 5 match series? I highly doubt it.

And I didn't call it an ATG performance. But it certainly was an outstanding top-tier performance, especially if you consider the history of South Asian pacers in Australia. Even some of the greatest have faltered in the land down under.

 

[Hawkeye]

Bumrah is decent but yes the hype machine takes him to the moon.

Currently he’s a top bowler. But first of all his action needs to be tested and rumors/allegations put to rest.

I personally don’t think his action is dodgy, but Shoaib Akhtar who had a much cleaner action than Bumrahs also underwent testing based on false rumors and pressure built by the Indians. And came out clear.

So yeah, if Bumrah doesn’t get called and doesn’t undergo testing, all his wickets will forever be controversial and tainted.

He will never be in contention for any greatness then.

We all know why no umpire dares to call him, so first that has to change.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Even the so called big three teams in this era have one truly outstanding bat . Root. Rest are hasbeens or not good enough.

 

[Buffet]

I Guess you have not watched Enough Cricket

5 match test series between Eng that had Graham Gooch , Peak Alec Stewart and Ian Botham

Pak first win came on back of Waqar’s Fifer
Pak Second and series winning win came in Fifth with Wasim’s Six and Waqar’s Fifer in second Innings. Something Bumrah Failed to do Yesterday Tapping out

Nah, I watched enough games. As I said, talking about Rauf and Waqar is just distraction when discussing elite test bowler.


Top 5 sides during 2 Ws entire career,





Bowlers record's away against top 5 sides during 2 W's career:




Why in the world we should bring Waqar in discussion of elite test bowlers when his over all record is so ordinary against good teams of his era? Even after including home, his performance is not great.


Bowlers record's over all against top 5 sides during 2 W's career: Home and away combined





Yes, we all know he was very good against bottom tier teams and minnows. Also, Eng despite not appearing in top 5 holds a certain place for legacy in cricket. That's why Waqar gets rated as greats of the game.

But, Waqar is avearging 28-30 against top 5 sides away and also home + away.

It's just a distraction to bring Waqar when discussing elite level test pacers.

 

[Buffet]

Even the so called big three teams in this era have one truly outstanding bat . Root. Rest are hasbeens or not good enough.

If stand out away avg and SR against top 3-4 teams seems not impressive enough for Bumrah then Cummins and Rabada must be then inferior to 10th best bowlers in some other 10 years of period of cricket, right?

Cummins and Rabada both belong in the top 15 test bowlers. We just have 5-6 decades of cricket where many competitive teams have played in different conditions. Rabada and Cummins career is near a decade old now. Bumrah has outbowled them comfortably.

 

[mominsaigol]

You yourself said India is talentless , brother. You can't sidetrack with sarcasm now

Talentless nation, However that doesn't mean they are inferior to their bootleg counterpart.

Pakistan since 1947 is literally a bootleg version of India and even that's being generous.

Even at its peak they weren't close to India and could only compete against them in sports.

Once India started pouring actual money investing into cricket it was game over.

The reason their behind Aus however is because aus are genetically superior.

 

[BCCI-Enforcer]

Talentless nation, However that doesn't mean they are inferior to their bootleg counterpart.

Pakistan since 1947 is literally a bootleg version of India and even that's being generous.

Even at its peak they weren't close to India and could only compete against them in sports.

Once India started pouring actual money investing into cricket it was game over.

The reason their behind Aus however is because aus are genetically superior.

Agree we are superior to Pak but don't agree you Aussie are superior to Indians.

 

[mominsaigol]

Agree we are superior to Pak but don't agree you Aussie are superior to Indians.

If aussies are inferior, Why are you indians immigrating and trying to work for us?

Aus is superior in everything, better universities, better continent, better in every sport. India is only good in cricket where they still rank behind in Trophy cabinets.

Better jobs in aus, Higher pay, better companies etc etc. Oceania as a whole is also 3rd richest in the world economy wise only behind China and USA.

 

[BCCI-Enforcer]

If aussies are inferior, Why are you indians immigrating and trying to work for us?

Aus is superior in everything, better universities, better continent, better in every sport. India is only good in cricket where they still rank behind in Trophy cabinets.

Better jobs in aus, Higher pay, better companies etc etc. Oceania as a whole is also 3rd richest in the world economy wise only behind China and USA.

I don't believe genetically superior.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

If stand out away avg and SR against top 3-4 teams seems not impressive enough for Bumrah then Cummins and Rabada must be then inferior to 10th best bowlers in some other 10 years of period of cricket, right?

Cummins and Rabada both belong in the top 15 test bowlers. We just have 5-6 decades of cricket where many competitive teams have played in different conditions. Rabada and Cummins career is near a decade old now. Bumrah has outbowled them comfortably.

Cummins is a quality bowler. But I think he falls short as a match winner.

He has excellent stamina and Good skill set, and can keep it tight but I don't see any real match winning ability in him.

 

[Ab Fan]

Top 20 pacers since 1970:-

Marshall
McGrath
Hadlee
Ambrose
Bumrah

IK
Steyn
Wasim
Donald
Cummins

Garner
Lillee
Holding
Rabada
Waqar

S Pollock
Roberts
Walsh
Anderson
Bob Willis

Bumrah, Cummins and Rabada are in top 15.

 

[mominsaigol]

I don't believe genetically superior.

Aussie ancestor genes were all hard headed criminals who weren't sent to die and they instead built an entire country instead.

India is a country that constantly got looted and wrecked by every invader known to man.

 

[Mamoon]

Neither Ponting nor Mark Waugh have the courage to admit that this was one of the weakest batting lineups ever fielded by Australia.

 

[Buffet]

Cummins is a quality bowler. But I think he falls short as a match winner.

He has excellent stamina and Good skill set, and can keep it tight but I don't see any real match winning ability in him.

Cummins did win a test in Pakistan series where pitches were tailormade by PCB chair to counter Aus.

Cummins has a 5-fer in win in SA way back. SA had very good batting then.

We need to look at all bowler's positive and negative. We can't say that one bowler is short on this or another bowler is short on that in isolation. We should be applying the same standards consistently for all bowlers taking account of all factors. Cummins comfortably makes into top 15 test bowler. Yes, you are right about some short comings, so he won't be a candidate for top 5 anytime unless he improves drastically.

 

[Bhimja turtle]

There are about 5 threads in honor of Bumrah’s so-called ATG performance in Australia on the main page of a Pakistani cricket forum.

This represents the power and the influence of the Indian narrative. Same narrative that elevated a joke of a cricketer like Dhoni to legendary status, elevated bang average players like Ashwin and Jadeja as Test greats and elevated a mentally and technically weak Test batsman like Kohli to GOAT status.

Not to mention, a wildly inconsistent and mediocre batsman like VVS Laxman got rebranded as a ‘man of crisis’.

I am bemused and also sick of all the undeserved adulation for Bumrah based on this series where he ended up on the losing side. Let’s deep-dive into what he achieved.

He bowled to a joke of a batting lineup that was arguably the worst batting unit put together by Australia in Test cricket in the last 30 years, expect for perhaps the 2018-19 BGT where a prime Smith and Warner were banned.

Let’s dissect the Australian batting lineup, one by one:

Khawaja - a 38 year old has been who averaged 22 vs Pakistan and 23 vs New Zealand. He did not get ‘Bumrah’d’ in this series - he is simply a has been who is finished at the top level due to his age. His eyes and his judgment are gone.

McSweeney - an average young batsman who made his debut but will never average more than 32-33 in Test cricket and will not play more than 25 Tests.

Konstas - a technically flawed but brave young debutant who got under Bumrah’s skin and made him look like a fool on numerous occasions.

Labuschange - he has been struggling for a very long time now, averaging low 30s. Bumrah actually helped him get some form back and he played a couple of influential innings in this series which he hasn’t done for a while.

Smith - the greatest Test batsman post Don, but not the player he was between 2014-2020. He has been averaging low 30s for a while as well, and yet, Bumrah could not stop him from scoring two series defining centuries.

Head - a maverick who can be a match winner on his day but will always take risks and give chances to the opposition to stifle him. Interestingly enough, Bumrah always fails him to stop him from demolishing India and this series was no different. Bumrah could not stop him from scoring two series defining centuries.

Marsh - no words needed, everyone knows he is a rubbish batsman at Test level.

Carey - an OK batsman at best, not someone any bowling unit will ever lose sleep over.

Webster - made his debut in Sydney.

In addition to the above, bowling all-rounders and tailenders like Cummins, Lyon and Boland all scored runs that tilted the series in Australia’s favor.

Overall, this is a 5/10 Australian batting lineup and the handful of batsmen that could have hurt India did manage to hurt India, so what did Bumrah achieve in this series apart from padding his stats?

Before giving our certifications of “ATG” series this and that, best bowler ever this and that, it is crucial to not lose perspective of what he was up against, and he was up against a batting lineup that is a strong contender for the worst Australian batting unit of all time.

I think same can be said about boland and Australian bowling to
Who feasted on 3washed up (rohit Kohli gill)2 on off(rahul pant)one good debutant(nkr)
Two good performance (jaiswal sundar)

 

[Bhimja turtle]

Outstanding post!

One really has to give it to the Indian hype machine. An average, at most slightly above average, bowler has been propelled to be the best Indian fast bowler of all time. Some in their delusion are even labeling him to be the best Asian fast bowler - never mind how ridiculous that sounds.

Mos in england
Mos in south africa
Mos in australia
Mos in T20 wc
Have some shame man jeez the jealousy it is just beyond ridiculous

 

[Buffet]

I think same can be said about boland and Australian bowling to
Who feasted on 3washed up (rohit Kohli gill)2 on off(rahul pant)one good debutant(nkr)
Two good performance (jaiswal sundar)

I don't think it's apple to apple comparison.

If you take out India and Aus as opposition, Aus batting has been far better. You can drop Pakistan as well due to India not playing against them.

India has been an ordinary batting team for a while. Most of their wins came due to great bowling and lower order all-rounders bailing them out in recent years.

Aus and Ind batting in the last 5 years:

 

[Mamoon]

I think same can be said about boland and Australian bowling to
Who feasted on 3washed up (rohit Kohli gill)2 on off(rahul pant)one good debutant(nkr)
Two good performance (jaiswal sundar)

Yes you can, Australian bowlers didn’t perform any not miracles either. Australia should be disappointed that they didn’t win 5-0.

 

[gani999]

Bumrah may be hyped by some Indians, no doubt, but no Indian player ever gets as hyped up as Pakistani players do by their fans. A few good performances and Babar Azam is a GOAT, followed by a Babar vs Kohli thread on PakPassion. A few wicket taking spells and Shaheen Afridi and Naseem Shah become the world's best, followed by a few Naseem/Shaheen vs Indian bowlers on PakPassion.

And it is the Indians who are supposedly the ones hyping up their stars LOL.

Pure entertainment from our Pakistani friends. Do keep it coming.

 

[Jo_Don]

I think it's a bit soon to be talking about where he ranks as an ATG, he hasn't really hit the dip in form that fast bowlers experience after they hit 30. But I do believe that he'll end up in that elite group who strike in the low 40s and average in the low 20s. He's performed around the world against pretty much everyone but the sample size isn't large enough to judge yet.

It's true that this isn't really a great Aussie batting unit, but which team has that these days? The quality of test batting in general is on a serious decline. England is maybe an exception, but they play so many tests that they get plenty of practice.

Everyone else is a victim of limited overs overload - from the various t20 leagues, bilaterals and ICC tournaments. With the sprinkling of tests in-between, they aren't getting enough test practice and therefore lack the ability to apply themselves in a way that should be expected in tests. Too many loose shots, fishing outside off, fishing down leg, pulling, cutting, slog sweeps and a general lack of patience.

I think Bumrah may have had it a bit worse in previous eras where test batsmen could actually bat, but at the same time he can only bowl to whoever is in front of him. If you look at his technique, he definitely is hard to pick. I believe that he would have been a great in any era, but his stats wouldn't be quite so out of this world as it currently is. It would however have been in line with the top bowlers from the other teams in those eras.

 

[praveen]

Bowling average under 20 with 200+ wickets is crazy. I don’t buy these GOAT or ATG tags thrown around but can certainly appreciate top quality bowling no matter which country the bowler hails from. Fast bowlers are like salt to food, they’re what cricket romantics yearn for. To go to such lengths to discredit 30+ wickets , OP must be a lockdown kid who cannot recognize quality bowling even if it stares him in the face. Which is surprising because Pakistanis usually rate fast bowling.

 

[pillionrider]

Except T20 Final win in Crunch moment Bumrah has failed during Following Occasions

1. Defending 370 Plus Against Eng to Win the series on Seam friendly Track
2. Failing to Dismiss Travis Head in CWC Final
3. Allowing Bang Average NZ to inflict Historical 3-0 defeat at Home
4. Tapping out in Sydney to Square BGT

This is why my first post here was about how silly this thread was. Petty too I should've added

Do you realize that every single ATG bowler can be picked apart like this when the opposition produced a winning performance. You can also use the OP's rubbish claims to rip apart any great performance similarly. Why should Wasim Akram's '92 final spell be treated with so much awe by this same yardstick. What was the quality of the batsmen that got bamboozled by his swing?

That's not how cricket works. Cricket works on feel. If you are in the moment and are awed or shocked (as an opposition fan) by something that happens, it was a great performance. That's where it should end. The moment you start trying to take cricket off the field and into text, it stops making any real sense.

 

[BouncerGuy]

I don't think so it was a bad batting lineup. They were out of form, yes but they were not a bad group TBH. Bumrah feasted on them Aussies for sure.

 

[Energy]

Yes I agree. While I do think it was tremendous bowling I also feel that we are at risk of the bollywood effect being added to by Indians. It is important that we counter this quickly, before it turns into the other myths surrounding the Indian team that have occurred over time, and the other myths that Indian posters have generated through their revisonism ( Wasim is a bad bowler for example).

You can rightly say that Bumrah had a 8+/10 effort and bowled tremendously but must caveat it with Scott Boland's equally good bowling and the fact Bumrah can against a 5/10 team. It can only be analysed and understood in its true context by noting these two points.

1. Bumrah - (8/10 series) × (5/10 Aus batting) = 0.4 or 40% MVP.

2. Boland - (8/10 series) × (9/10 Ind alleged batting) = 0.72 or 72% efficiency.

Boland has had a higher-impact series as rightly diagnosed in the OP. This has gone under the radar due to the Indian bandwagon. However, overall, Bumrah is a much better, all-format bowler.

 

[Ab Fan]

There are 38 better bowlers in Australia than Jasprit Bumrah. Boland is one of them.

 

[chinaman00]

Mos in england
Mos in south africa
Mos in australia
Mos in T20 wc
Have some shame man jeez the jealousy it is just beyond ridiculous

Irrelevant and selective stats.

Nobody cares about this guy and his suspect action. He will be a footnote when it’s all said and done….the same way Sreenath, Agaragar, Zaheer Khan, Sharma and co. were.

lol @ jealousy. Sure buddy!

 

[chinaman00]

so whats the difference between winning with 5W or 4W? so an extra wicket catapults the bowler into ATG?

How many away series of note did Bumrah win except 2018 BGT ?

Check Waqar Younis Exploits in Eng during 1992 Series in Eng. That was Peak England and Waqar’s stats are similar to Bumrah from 2018 BGT

Heck even Haris Rauf got fifer just couple months back in Adelaide against same team to win the series although its not test but it does nt prove anything

Bumrah needs more to get himself placed in ATG list

Not to mention the way he was bashed by Fakhar Zaman in that 2017 final in London.

Guy is having a purple patch right now and Indians are gloating over him , but one needs to take the whole picture into account. When it’s all said and done, we will see where he stands in the great debate.

It’s all hype and chest thumping from the Indian fans now and predictably so too. It’s the first respectable fast bowler their country has ever produced so they should be forgiven for the hubris.

 

[Bhimja turtle]

U exactly proved my point ...buddy,by the way he has been around for 8 years

Irrelevant and selective stats.

Nobody cares about this guy and his suspect action. He will be a footnote when it’s all said and done….the same way Sreenath, Agaragar, Zaheer Khan, Sharma and co. were.

lol @ jealousy. Sure buddy!

 

[DeadlyVenom]

1. Bumrah - (8/10 series) × (5/10 Aus batting) = 0.4 or 40% MVP.

2. Boland - (8/10 series) × (9/10 Ind alleged batting) = 0.72 or 72% efficiency.

Boland has had a higher-impact series as rightly diagnosed in the OP. This has gone under the radar due to the Indian bandwagon. However, overall, Bumrah is a much better, all-format bowler.

Indian batting is probably the same if not worse than Australia's. Indian fans were writing them off before the series and throughout.

 

[Statpadder Inc]

Irrelevant and selective stats.

Nobody cares about this guy and his suspect action. He will be a footnote when it’s all said and done….the same way Sreenath, Agaragar, Zaheer Khan, Sharma and co. were.

lol @ jealousy. Sure buddy!

Mos in Australia is irrelevant lmfao, so what's relevant getting humiliated there for 3 decades.

 

[gani999]

There are 38 better bowlers in Australia than Jasprit Bumrah. Boland is one of them.

And the likes of Bumrah can be found in every gully mohalla in Pakistan. Don't we know?

 

[Devadwal]

Amazing how brother @Devadwal thread for stating the truth was binned as a troll thread but this one remains.

But sir when BCCI do anything they are doing discrimination against Pakistan . Truth is always bitter .

 

[Hawkeye]

Bumrah may be hyped by some Indians, no doubt, but no Indian player ever gets as hyped up as Pakistani players do by their fans. A few good performances and Babar Azam is a GOAT, followed by a Babar vs Kohli thread on PakPassion. A few wicket taking spells and Shaheen Afridi and Naseem Shah become the world's best, followed by a few Naseem/Shaheen vs Indian bowlers on PakPassion.

And it is the Indians who are supposedly the ones hyping up their stars LOL.

Pure entertainment from our Pakistani friends. Do keep it coming.

It’s the opposite.

Any time a bowler from India starts taking wickets, he immediately starts getting compared with the likes of Wasim Akram, Waqar and Imran Khan.

Previously it was Zaheer Khan.

Also Ishant Sharma.

Now Bumrah.

Look Bumrah is doing well these days but you are again doing the Zaheer Khan and Ishant Sharma things.

Comparing with all time greats.

 

[chinaman00]

No child has ever woken up from his bed and said I want to bowl like Bumrah. In the history of the game.

This settles the debate.

Goodbye.

 

[pillionrider]

No child has ever woken up from his bed and said I want to bowl like Bumrah. In the history of the game.

This settles the debate.

Goodbye.

Yeah, because if you don't get it right, this can happen.

btw, Pakistani kids? Or Afghans?

 

[IAJ]

Yeah, because if you don't get it right, this can happen.

btw, Pakistani kids? Or Afghans?

lol, that went quite wrong, poor kid.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Nah, I watched enough games. As I said, talking about Rauf and Waqar is just distraction when discussing elite test bowler.


dxas

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Bowlers record's away against top 5 sides during 2 W's career:

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Why in the world we should bring Waqar in discussion of elite test bowlers when his over all record is so ordinary against good teams of his era? Even after including home, his performance is not great.


Bowlers record's over all against top 5 sides during 2 W's career: Home and away combined

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Yes, we all know he was very good against bottom tier teams and minnows. Also, Eng despite not appearing in top 5 holds a certain place for legacy in cricket. That's why Waqar gets rated as greats of the game.

But, Waqar is avearging 28-30 against top 5 sides away and also home + away.

It's just a distraction to bring Waqar when discussing elite level test pacers.

You have to decide how you want to shape your narrative. You can't conveniently shift it by throwing stats without context

Let me know What is it? What makes a bowler Elite?

1) Is it consistent performance with superior SR and Avg in Away series against top 5 regardless of Wins or Losses taken into account match wise or series wise ?

Or

2) Is it number of Fifers in Away series Against top 5 sides that result in Match victories or Series victories

You can't have it both Ways to support your argument

If we Take option 1 , then Bumrah Just simply has not had long enough career to make a judgment call. So Far his performance is definitely Elite but I would like to disagree with notion that only Away Performances Matter . Wasim And Waqar not only Swung the ball both ways , They had every skill in their armory like toe crushing Yorkers and exploitation of OLD ball on dead pitches of Subcontinet. So far I have never seen Bumrah showcasing reverse swing ability on docile surfaces. Over the course of their careers , averages and strike rates declined from peak days. And playing majority cricket on dead surfaces did not help their averages as well . Other factors like catch drops by Pakistani Fielders and Umpiring Howlers without DRS was also a big factor in reducing their Stats. So For bumrah to qualify as Elite based on option 1 , he needs to play more and more in varying situations for us to know if he can sustain his elite status. Staying Injury free is big factor. If Wasim or Waqar pushed their Bodies to limit like Bumrah did in BGT 2024-25 , they would produce similar performances

If we Consider option 2 to Judge Elite Fast bowler , Even Waqar Younis has had significant match winning and series winning performances in SENA Countries Let Alone Wasim Akram who is Arguably greatest left arm Swing Bowler the world has seen


1. 1992 Vs Eng at Oval Match Figures 10/143 Pak Wins not only the match but series as well
2. 1993 Vs NZ at Hamilton Match Figures 9/81

on both occasions performance resulted in Match and series win in SENA conditions and both teams were at peak during 92-93 Period

3. 1994 vs NZ Eden Park Waqar 4/46 , Wasim 6/43 Match Won and series won
4. 1996 vs Eng Lords Waqar 4/49 and 4/85 Match Won and Series Won

there are plenty more across formats to talk about


Just because Bumrah had two great series down under in Aus ( test cricket only ) compared to Wasim and Waqar does not put him ahead of them

PS

top 5 Sides are not sorted by W/L ratio Metric. There is no context here. Like India being top 5 ahead of England during 1985-2002 era is questionable. This kind of Sorting will not tell you whether these top 5 won consistently against each other or remaining 5

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Do you realize that India is the only team that has stopped the Australian juggernaut when they were thrashing teams for fun. 16 consecutive wins, they had. And we stopped them. Not once. But TWICE, because they'd seemed to have forgotten about the first one.

We stopped them in 2001 by becoming First Asian to win any bi series in Aus way before Kohli managed it in 2018

Not really. I am talking about the larger achievement of taking 32 wickets across 5 test matches. Shamar Joseph put on an incredible performance in test match but would he have taken as many wickets if it was a 5 match series? I highly doubt it.

And I didn't call it an ATG performance. But it certainly was an outstanding top-tier performance, especially if you consider the history of South Asian pacers in Australia. Even some of the greatest have faltered in the land down under.

Number of Tests Played by Wasim Waqar Down under 1990-2000 only 6
Not Enough matches for any Judgment

Wasim Played 1989 Series In Aus , Won Man of the series Award . Only Significant Bumrah Performance Down under is BGT 2018 that Resulted in Series win

Wasim Also has great LOI Stats Down Under. CB series 1997 He killed it

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Based on this thread Bumrah should retire because quality of batsmen are worse than 90s.

No point in picking up wickets.

 

[BouncerGuy]

SMith, Labu, Khawaja, Head are they not quality batters??? They might not be in-form, yes, but they are not the worst batting lineup.

 

[Ab Fan]

Indian fans should just be happy that they now have 1 ATG fast bowler so no one will mock them anymore. These comparisons with Wasim and other all time greats can happen later.

Jo mil raha hai usme khush rahe…

 

[Devadwal]

SMith, Labu, Khawaja, Head are they not quality batters??? They might not be in-form, yes, but they are not the worst batting lineup.

I thought bumrah hasn't cracked the Code to dismissed australia batters

@The Bald Eagle

 

[moghul]

There are about 5 threads in honor of Bumrah’s so-called ATG performance in Australia on the main page of a Pakistani cricket forum.

This represents the power and the influence of the Indian narrative. Same narrative that elevated a joke of a cricketer like Dhoni to legendary status, elevated bang average players like Ashwin and Jadeja as Test greats and elevated a mentally and technically weak Test batsman like Kohli to GOAT status.

Not to mention, a wildly inconsistent and mediocre batsman like VVS Laxman got rebranded as a ‘man of crisis’.

I am bemused and also sick of all the undeserved adulation for Bumrah based on this series where he ended up on the losing side. Let’s deep-dive into what he achieved.

He bowled to a joke of a batting lineup that was arguably the worst batting unit put together by Australia in Test cricket in the last 30 years, expect for perhaps the 2018-19 BGT where a prime Smith and Warner were banned.

Let’s dissect the Australian batting lineup, one by one:

Khawaja - a 38 year old has been who averaged 22 vs Pakistan and 23 vs New Zealand. He did not get ‘Bumrah’d’ in this series - he is simply a has been who is finished at the top level due to his age. His eyes and his judgment are gone.

McSweeney - an average young batsman who made his debut but will never average more than 32-33 in Test cricket and will not play more than 25 Tests.

Konstas - a technically flawed but brave young debutant who got under Bumrah’s skin and made him look like a fool on numerous occasions.

Labuschange - he has been struggling for a very long time now, averaging low 30s. Bumrah actually helped him get some form back and he played a couple of influential innings in this series which he hasn’t done for a while.

Smith - the greatest Test batsman post Don, but not the player he was between 2014-2020. He has been averaging low 30s for a while as well, and yet, Bumrah could not stop him from scoring two series defining centuries.

Head - a maverick who can be a match winner on his day but will always take risks and give chances to the opposition to stifle him. Interestingly enough, Bumrah always fails him to stop him from demolishing India and this series was no different. Bumrah could not stop him from scoring two series defining centuries.

Marsh - no words needed, everyone knows he is a rubbish batsman at Test level.

Carey - an OK batsman at best, not someone any bowling unit will ever lose sleep over.

Webster - made his debut in Sydney.

In addition to the above, bowling all-rounders and tailenders like Cummins, Lyon and Boland all scored runs that tilted the series in Australia’s favor.

Overall, this is a 5/10 Australian batting lineup and the handful of batsmen that could have hurt India did manage to hurt India, so what did Bumrah achieve in this series apart from padding his stats?

Before giving our certifications of “ATG” series this and that, best bowler ever this and that, it is crucial to not lose perspective of what he was up against, and he was up against a batting lineup that is a strong contender for the worst Australian batting unit of all time.

You got a point, this Australian batting line up is one of the weakest one I have seen in decades. Bumrah is a good bowler and to his credit , he took full advantage of this brittle batting line up. Not just Bumrah , a very ordinary bowler like Siraj also took 20 wickets and another debutant Krishna took 6 wickets . So, Bumrah is a very good bowler but he is no where close to the bowlers like Marshal, Styne and Waqar, as our Indian friends trying to make him.

 

[pillionrider]

We stopped them in 2001 by becoming First Asian to win any bi series in Aus way before Kohli managed it in 2018

Number of Tests Played by Wasim Waqar Down under 1990-2000 only 6
Not Enough matches for any Judgment

Wasim Played 1989 Series In Aus , Won Man of the series Award . Only Significant Bumrah Performance Down under is BGT 2018 that Resulted in Series win

Wasim Also has great LOI Stats Down Under. CB series 1997 He killed it

You have really narrowed down your criteria for each point you made

India won the Benson Hedges series in Australia in the mid '80s. But it doesn't fit the bilateral criterion I suppose

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

You have really narrowed down your criteria for each point you made

India won the Benson Hedges series in Australia in the mid '80s. But it doesn't fit the bilateral criterion I suppose

I Narrowed it down because you asserted that Aus became Great post 99 Wc Win

 

[Croma]

Based on this thread Bumrah should retire because quality of batsmen are worse than 90s.

No point in picking up wickets.

Funnies thing I have read all week

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Bumrah bowled nicely no doubt, but Australian openers were too awful too and no doubt about that. Except Konstas no one among top 3 showed aggression.

 

[Buffet]

Bumrah bowled nicely no doubt, but Australian openers were too awful too and no doubt about that. Except Konstas no one among top 3 showed aggression.

Were they awful or Bumrah make them look awful? A big difference between those two.

Usman Khawaja - 2023 ICC Men's Test Cricketer of the Year
Usman Khwaja - Made to look awful in 2024 when playing Bumrah.


Similarly, many fans say that Aus was has been weak for the last 5-6 years. Since 2018, Aus batsmen have averaged 45 runs per wickets in Aus against all other teams except India.

Aus batting is not an ATG test team batting, but it's a fantastic batting in their home conditions. In this series itself, they had 4-5 tons.

 

[Chip32]

SMith, Labu, Khawaja, Head are they not quality batters??? They might not be in-form, yes, but they are not the worst batting lineup.

No, all of them aside from Head are old and washed. It was an impressive series from Bumrah and probably up there with Mitch Johnson's 2013/14 ashes in terms of sheer domination, but to pretend that this batting line up wasn't weak is stupid.

There's a reason tripe like Aamer Jamal was looking like a real test bowler.