Are evangelical ''born again Muslims" hypocrites?

[chacha kashmiri]

Some Muslims who openly sin during their formative years tend to become the biggest proponents of prohibition and the biggest catalysts and proselytists to puritanism
What is it that makes people so extreme when they turn to religion compared to their care free attitude with their younger selves

Personally i think its a totalitarian approach to societal weaknesses which they blame for their troubled youth

 

[sweep_shot]

I wouldn't call them hypocrites. If someone returns to the faith after a long period of time and takes it seriously, I see no issue.

Calling out bad aspects of society is not hypocrisy.

 

[JaDed]

I wouldn't call them hypocrites. If someone returns to the faith after a long period of time and takes it seriously, I see no issue.

Calling out bad aspects of society is not hypocrisy.

Bad aspects of society is subjective. I don’t have a number but am sure the view changes based on society.

 

[sweep_shot]

Bad aspects of society is subjective. I don’t have a number but am sure the view changes based on society.

Of course!

But, there are certain things that all societies can agree to be bad. For example - drug dealing and drug addiction. Calling out these things is not a bad thing.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

I wouldn't call them hypocrites. If someone returns to the faith after a long period of time and takes it seriously, I see no issue.

Calling out bad aspects of society is not hypocrisy.

Why not let others learn the same way they did
Obviously any discipline they were given as a kid didn't work on them why should it work on someone else

 

[sweep_shot]

Why not let others learn the same way they did
Obviously any discipline they were given as a kid didn't work on them why should it work on someone else

What if they never learn? Not all people learn. Some end up harming themselves and others.

It is better to encourage them to come to the right path rather than relying on chances.

 

[DeadBall]

What if they never learn? Not all people learn. Some end up harming themselves and others.

It is better to encourage them to come to the right path rather than relying on chances.

Learn what exactly?

 

[sweep_shot]

Learn what exactly?

Learning not to do stupid things like doing drugs, selling drugs etc. It was a general statement (both subjective and objective).

 

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

Some Muslims who openly sin during their formative years tend to become the biggest proponents of prohibition and the biggest catalysts and proselytists to puritanism
What is it that makes people so extreme when they turn to religion compared to their care free attitude with their younger selves

Personally i think its a totalitarian approach to societal weaknesses which they blame for their troubled youth

They tend to be more extreme for sure . I guess they have to be to prove their loyalty .

 

[troodon]

Do you need religion to tell you that smoking, drinking, drugs are bad for health?

Science has been telling this for ages now and the warnings are printed on the labels. People do what they want to do.. It's their life.

 

[sweep_shot]

They tend to be more extreme for sure . I guess they have to be to prove their loyalty .

It is a bit like how a cricket player is so eager/hungry to perform after being away from team for so long.

I wouldn't say it is proving loyalty. It is more like eagerness to catch up. It is more like redemption.

 

[troodon]

It is a bit like how a cricket player is so eager/hungry to perform after being away from team for so long.

I wouldn't say it is proving loyalty. It is more like eagerness to catch up. It is more like redemption.

They have a guilty feeling as they know they have done debauchery before and now they have to answer to their God on the Judgement Day. So they try to be extra pious to score more brownie points. Not only that, they impose their view on their family and friends to score even more points in the eyes of their God.

 

[Poutine]

Do you need religion to tell you that smoking, drinking, drugs are bad for health?

Science has been telling this for ages now and the warnings are printed on the labels. People do what they want to do.. It's their life.

Ages? Till the 1950s Doctors actually prescribed cigarettes and some cigarettes had "Doctor recommended " labels on them.

https://www.adweek.com/brand-market...s-prescribed-healthy-cigarette-brands-165404/

it was really in the mid 1960s when smoking started being seen as unhealthy. In the wider context 1950s wasn't really ages ago, was it?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Some Muslims who openly sin during their formative years tend to become the biggest proponents of prohibition and the biggest catalysts and proselytists to puritanism
What is it that makes people so extreme when they turn to religion compared to their care free attitude with their younger selves

Personally i think its a totalitarian approach to societal weaknesses which they blame for their troubled youth

There is no such thing as a born again Muslim and esp a evangelical Muslim. These terms are related to Christianity.

Do we have an award for DOTW?

 

[troodon]

There is no such thing as a born again Muslim and esp a evangelical Muslim. These terms are related to Christianity.

Do we have an award for DOTW?

Everyone is a Muslim when they are born according to Islam. So someone who comes back to Islam in later years means they are born again.

 

[InziRules]

Everyone is a Muslim when they are born according to Islam. So someone who comes back to Islam in later years means they are born again.

The born again concept comes from the Christian tradition of baptism.

 

[pillionrider]

Basically, when your body can't perform according to its needs or can't take any more abuse, shift to religion and reclaim respect

 

[Bigboii]

Basically, when your body can't perform according to its needs or can't take any more abuse, shift to religion and reclaim respect

Didn't get it tbh

 

[JaDed]

Ages? Till the 1950s Doctors actually prescribed cigarettes and some cigarettes had "Doctor recommended " labels on them.

https://www.adweek.com/brand-market...s-prescribed-healthy-cigarette-brands-165404/

it was really in the mid 1960s when smoking started being seen as unhealthy. In the wider context 1950s wasn't really ages ago, was it?

Check that post again, The doctor is a penguin and doctor is within quotes.


To allay fears, tobacco brands hired throat “doctors” (that is, models dressed in white coats) to explain that dust, germs or a lack of menthol were to blame, not the cigs themselves.

———-
Check this article to understand how tobacco companies fooled people with “physicians”.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.history.com/.amp/news/cigarette-ads-doctors-smoking-endorsement

 

[Poutine]

Check that post again, The doctor is a penguin and doctor is within quotes.


To allay fears, tobacco brands hired throat “doctors” (that is, models dressed in white coats) to explain that dust, germs or a lack of menthol were to blame, not the cigs themselves.

———-
Check this article to understand how tobacco companies fooled people with “physicians”.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.history.com/.amp/news/cigarette-ads-doctors-smoking-endorsement

I don’t disagree with you, I am sure the companies manipulated and fooled people but it’s fact that science did not fully establish that cigarettes were bad for you until the 50s.

To the modern-day reader, the pitching of cigarettes as healthy (even to youth and pregnant moms) and the use of doctors’ endorsements may appear horrifying. Yet before 1950, there wasn’t good evidence showing that cigarette smoking was bad for you.

https://www.history.com/news/cigarette-ads-doctors-smoking-endorsement


My point was simple, even by 1950 science/experts had not established a link between cigarettes and cancer. So to say science has told us smoking is bad for ages is incorrect.

Obviously I am not denying there have been great scientific discoveries but it’s an evolving process. Sometimes it’s takes time for experts and scientist to truly decide how good or bad a thing is or to get evidence to make a definite claim. There have been so many things that were considered scientific facts around a century ago but now are seen as incorrect.

 

[LongHorn]

What i have noticed with some of these people is that they impose their own belief system from their "wrong" days on young people nowadays

So just because they indulged in stuff, they try to imply every single person is doing the same thing for the same reason they did

 

[in_cutter]

They redeem themselves. Same way non-religious people become good samritans after living a life of crime.

I don’t see any hypocrisy in this.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

There is no such thing as a born again Muslim and esp a evangelical Muslim. These terms are related to Christianity.

Do we have an award for DOTW?

Next you're going to tell you never use the term 'god' at work

 

[chacha kashmiri]

They tend to be more extreme for sure . I guess they have to be to prove their loyalty .

Malcolm x always mentioned house pets

 

[Sadozai]

I don’t disagree with you, I am sure the companies manipulated and fooled people but it’s fact that science did not fully establish that cigarettes were bad for you until the 50s.



https://www.history.com/news/cigarette-ads-doctors-smoking-endorsement


My point was simple, even by 1950 science/experts had not established a link between cigarettes and cancer. So to say science has told us smoking is bad for ages is incorrect.

Obviously I am not denying there have been great scientific discoveries but it’s an evolving process. Sometimes it’s takes time for experts and scientist to truly decide how good or bad a thing is or to get evidence to make a definite claim. There have been so many things that were considered scientific facts around a century ago but now are seen as incorrect.

Had religion established any link between cigarettes and cancer before or after 1950?

 

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

Had religion established any link between cigarettes and cancer before or after 1950?

No but smoking is considered hamam/makrroh in islam.So is drinking and other intoxicants .

 

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

Malcolm x always mentioned house pets

Don't get it ?

 

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

It is a bit like how a cricket player is so eager/hungry to perform after being away from team for so long.

I wouldn't say it is proving loyalty. It is more like eagerness to catch up. It is more like redemption.

I don't know brother . While there are plenty of Muslims who go back to religion and are ACTUALLY looking for redemption but in my experience those are a minority . The vast majority in my experience would not do anything to fix their toxic personality traits and just use religion justify their behavior .Again its my personal experience no way does it mean that they are all like that . Some of the nicest most genuine people that I've com across are what you might call "born again" Muslims . People that have found their way back to religion .

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

What i have noticed with some of these people is that they impose their own belief system from their "wrong" days on young people nowadays

So just because they indulged in stuff, they try to imply every single person is doing the same thing for the same reason they did

I don't think that works. Usually the best form of influence is your behaviour rather than your words. A younger person is far more likely to be influenced by character of someone they admire.

 

[angrypathan]

No but smoking is considered hamam/makrroh in islam.So is drinking and other intoxicants .

I believe Smoking is only considered that because of the now established health problems associated with smoking. I doubt the scholars in the 50s considered smoking haram

 

[Sadozai]

No but smoking is considered hamam/makrroh in islam.So is drinking and other intoxicants .

Can you please give any reference in this regard?

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Don't get it ?

Animals are more set in their way than humans
Humans are much more open minded

 

[Zaz]

Can you please give any reference in this regard?

Its not rocket science Anything that harms the human body is forbidden

 

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

Can you please give any reference in this regard?

I thought it was common knowledge. Guess its not . Ill try finding some references. IIRC depending on the school of thought you follow smoking is either straight up haram or frowned upon/makrooh.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

I thought it was common knowledge. Guess its not . Ill try finding some references. IIRC depending on the school of thought you follow smoking is either straight up haram or frowned upon/makrooh.

Why are there still regulated sheesha bars in more Islamic countries then in the gulf?

 

[Sadozai]

Its not rocket science Anything that harms the human body is forbidden

how do you know that smoking harms the body?

I thought it was common knowledge. Guess its not . Ill try finding some references. IIRC depending on the school of thought you follow smoking is either straight up haram or frowned upon/makrooh.

Well the common knowledge isn't very common

 

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

Why are there still regulated sheesha bars in more Islamic countries then in the gulf?

Culture=/= religion .