Are fast bowlers useless in ODI cricket?

[Aqib_mustafa]

I mean you look at england team on paper their fast bowlers looks lethal but in reality likes of archer and wood are getting hit for boundaries more faster they are bowling more boundaries they are giving so i am just thinking what the even point of playing fast bowlers at least spinners wont be getting hit for boundaries like that.

 

[Deewana Mastana]

I mean you look at england team on paper their fast bowlers looks lethal but in reality likes of archer and wood are getting hit for boundaries more faster they are bowling more boundaries they are giving so i am just thinking what the even point of playing fast bowlers at least spinners wont be getting hit for boundaries like that.

Might as well ditch all fast bowlers for trundlers or spinners then.

 

[sweep_shot]

2 pacers are necessary in ODI regardless of pitch.

Archer and Wood failed but look at other teams. Indian pacers did good. Kiwi pacers did good. Even Bangladeshi pacers did okay.

 

[Aqib_mustafa]

2 pacers are necessary in ODI regardless of pitch.

Archer and Wood failed but look at other teams. Indian pacers did good. Kiwi pacers did good. Even Bangladeshi pacers did okay.

So bro tell me how come archer and wood are going for plenty they surely are more talented than any fast bowlers playing in champions trophy?

 

[Aqib_mustafa]

Might as well ditch all fast bowlers for trundlers or spinners then.

Atleast spinners wont be getting bashed like fast bowlers more fast more faster it goes to the boundary

 

[sweep_shot]

So bro tell me how come archer and wood are going for plenty they surely are more talented than any fast bowlers playing in champions trophy?

A player can be out of form. Talented doesn't mean a player would succeed all the time.

In this CT, 4 out of top 5 bowlers have been pacers. Check the stats below:



Source: https://www.espncricinfo.com/record...ets-career/icc-champions-trophy-2024-25-16814.

 

[JaDed]

They are needed for first 15 and then last 15.. spinners will get smacked.

Speed is no replacement for accuracy, line and length.

 

[giri26]

Speed alone will not help, the pacers need to have skills. They not only need accuracy but need variations needed for the format. Just bowling fast will only get you hammered. Batters around the world are no longer worried about pace.

 

[charlie007]

Players don’t worry fear pace as much in white ball cricket because bowlers are restricted to 2 balls over shoulder high. The fielding restrictions, unlike Tests, cannot be aggressive because batters would take advantage.
Batters are also used to pace bowling a lot more these days, especially practicing against bowling machines, so they condition their minds and reflexes based on the pace.
They use pace to their benefit, and with cricket having moved on from the obsession with an ideal copybook technique, the batters now have become very innovative with all those reverse scoops and sweeps and ramp shots and will score runs.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

No! just Pakistani fast bowlers are useless in ODI cricket because they dont have any skill set to take wickets

 

[jnaveen1980]

Not true. Fast bowlers are still the play makers as they bowl the important overs. Matt Henry's economy rate is under 5 in the last 2 years. Hazlewood has an ER of 5.00 last 2 years. 10 overs 50 runs is outstanding figures for fast bowlers who bowl upfront and in death. But if you go above 55 that is a tad expensive.


Last 2 years fast bowlers against regular test nations (except zimbabwe/ireland) Min 600 balls

Player	Mat	Wkts	Ave	Econ
JJ Bumrah (IND)	18	34	17.73	4.39
MJ Henry (NZ)	28	45	26.53	4.94
JR Hazlewood (AUS)	31	40	33.02	5.02
TA Boult (NZ)	20	42	20.26	5.03
R Ngarava (ZIM)	18	20	30.05	5.04
Taskin Ahmed (BAN)	30	47	26.91	5.11
K Rabada (SA)	20	37	24.05	5.18
Mustafizur Rahman (BAN)	35	33	43.51	5.26
Mohammed Siraj (IND)	36	59	23.66	5.33
CR Woakes (ENG)	15	17	35.7	5.36
Mohammed Shami (IND)	24	53	18.01	5.37
DJ Willey (ENG)	17	21	31	5.38
PJ Cummins (AUS)	20	31	29.25	5.39
Shoriful Islam (BAN)	30	43	28.37	5.41
Mohammad Wasim (1) (PAK)	17	28	25.82	5.43
AM Fernando (SL)	16	22	24.95	5.49
HH Pandya (IND)	27	31	23.9	5.5
Naseem Shah (PAK)	21	36	27.61	5.51
SA Abbott (AUS)	26	31	36.61	5.59
RJW Topley (ENG)	15	25	24.76	5.6
AS Joseph (WI)	25	42	27.97	5.75
JC Archer (ENG)	12	19	30.63	5.76
Shaheen Shah Afridi (PAK)	34	71	24.3	5.76
SN Thakur (IND)	25	35	25.45	5.86
MA Starc (AUS)	24	43	28.51	5.92
JNT Seales (WI)	16	12	54.5	5.94
R Shepherd (WI)	24	21	42.38	5.95
L Ngidi (SA)	28	33	36.93	5.99
Haris Rauf (PAK)	33	57	28.54	6.04

 

[jnaveen1980]

English bowlers lack the variations. IN ODIs pace can be utilized if you are predictable.

 

[Justcrazy]

No , it depends on the pitch .

Fast bowlers are part of cricket , and have won several games for teams across formats.
Crowd also want to see fast bowlers.

 

[Kianig89]

The nature of Wickets is making things difficult for fast bowlers, infact good fast bowlers adapt to condition.

Look at Hazlewood pin perfect spell at Ahmedabad wicket on the grandest of stage to deliver slow strip tease of Indian batters and KL Rahul specifically.

Wasim Akram had that ability to take pitch out of equation, so was Glenn McGrath and Curtly Ambrose.

 

[Aqib_mustafa]

The nature of Wickets is making things difficult for fast bowlers, infact good fast bowlers adapt to condition.

Look at Hazlewood pin perfect spell at Ahmedabad wicket on the grandest of stage to deliver slow strip tease of Indian batters and KL Rahul specifically.

Wasim Akram had that ability to take pitch out of equation, so was Glenn McGrath and Curtly Ambrose.

Then tell me why mark wood and archer struggling surely they are more talented and skillfull than australian so called fast bowlers?

 

[Kianig89]

Then tell me why mark wood and archer struggling surely they are more talented and skillfull than australian so called fast bowlers?

Wood and Archer though talented are not above Australian trio of Starc Cummins Hazlewood who have 1300+ international wickets between them.

 

[Aqib_mustafa]

Wood and Archer though talented are not above Australian trio of Starc Cummins Hazlewood who have 1300+ international wickets between them.

What i dont get why archer and wood every match they are leaking runs what is missing in their bowling any idea?

 

[Kianig89]

What i dont get why archer and wood every match they are leaking runs what is missing in their bowling any idea?

Not hitting right lengths and field placing by Buttler was confusing , add to it there was dew in Eng-Aus game

 

[Bhaijaan]

Express pace without ball control, ball movement is useless in the modern era. All these young batters from top cricket nations grew up doing six hitting drills against bowling machines throwing 150 kph at them. Pace alone doesn’t scare anyone now.

Umran Malik was 155kph and honestly Mark Wood and Haris Rauf have been smashed around far more than he was but a team like Bharat which contests for championships doesn’t want to put its hopes on such a risky bowler. That tells you everything.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

@Aqib_mustafa you are a big fan of spin bowling aren't you brother. If it was up to you cricket would only be spinners

Anyway fast bowler is relevant still but you can't be only fast, you need to have other tricks up your sleeve.

 

[Aqib_mustafa]

@Aqib_mustafa you are a big fan of spin bowling aren't you brother. If it was up to you cricket would only be spinners

Anyway fast bowler is relevant still but you can't be only fast, you need to have other tricks up your sleeve.

Lol bro if it was upto me i would only play sufiyan abrar noman and sajid in odis see what can teams do against then atleast they wont be getting bashed like fast bowling trio of pakistan are getting.

 

[BDfanforever]

The rise of flat pitches and powerplay rules have negated the fast bowlers in ODIs somewhat, but ODIs these days are a dead bit format. You need LOI bowling skills besides pace. In T20 and Test Cricket fast bowlers are very important. Also, CT is too short of a format to judge players.

 

[baba ghazi]

no but " pace is pace yaar" type of fast bowlers are utter useless in asia..got to have pacers with skill

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Your fetish for spinners is concerning.

I am worried for your health when you do get your wish and suddenly all those Nomans and Sajids get a phainta also.

 

[pratiktc]

In modern day ODIs skillsets needed for success are any combo of following

1) New ball swing (ala Bhuvi, Henry, Woakes)
2) Ability to hit hard back of a length in middle overs at pace (Plunkett, Rabada)
3) unconventional action (or) left arm angle
4) Yorker, slower ball, slower bouncer variations

Paradoxically good Test bowlers do not make very good ODI bowlers because prized skillset of Tests (i.e. consistency in hitting line and length) does not translate well to ODIs which need phase wise quick changes.

Aus bowlers like Hazlewood and Cummins have been generally mediocre in ODIs and over last 5 yr period over 25-30 matches their numbers against top 8 sides are at par or slightly behind likes of Taskin Ahmed. Even Mitchell Starc who is a candidate for goat ODI seamer for his work between 2014-2020 has been just average in last 4-5 seasons.

In last 5-6 yrs bowlers who have had great runs in ODI cricket (Bumrah, Shami, Boult, Archer) typically have ticked upto 3