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Are India the new chokers?

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India In the last 5 ICC tournaments

India after the ICC champions trophy in 2013 have either made finals or semi finals in almost every tournament they looked like favorites the trend I have notice is that when teams did not play with fear of losing they were able to beat this team and when they took on the Indian bowlers they were exposed

2014 world t20 India made the finals and lost to Sri Lanka

2015 ICC World Cup India lose the semi finals Agaisnt Australia

2016 ICC world t20 India lose to West Indies in semi finals

2017 ICC champions trophy final India lost to Pakistan

2019 ICC World Cup India lose to New Zealand


Seems like India is the new choker
 
WT20 Final vs SL 2014
WC Semifinal vs AUS 2015
WT20 Semifinal vs WI 2016
CT Final vs Pak 2017
WC Semifinal vs NZ 2019

ALL LOST.
 
India choking in ICC events in recent times.

Since the CT win in 2013 , India have failed to get over the line in ICC knockout games.

2014 World T20 , lost to Sri Lanka.
2015 WC semi final , comfortabley defeated by Australia.
2016 World T20, defeated by West Indies.
2017 Champions Trophy final, defeated easily by Pakistan.
2019 World Cup semi , defeated by NZ.

Whilst I respect India as a team , this is a worrying trend. Shows that India have issues with getting over the line. I think the way this can only be changed is by winning a tournament.

I think this will also be on the players minds going forward.
 
Of course.

Some Indians got offended when I said that this team is giving me a SA vibe where they will bilaterals and lose tourneys. :))
 
LongtimeLurk3r said:
India will win a tournament soon enough. Not too far away. Can't be chokers if you're making finals.
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Not calling Indians chokers but That’s exactly what choking is.

You breeze through the initial stages being the best team but when crunch knockout games come you lose to teams you would smash 4 times out of 5
 
They’ve been carrying Dhoni for too long , if he had won the game against England,which he should have, then dare I say Pakistan would’ve been easier to get past.. lol
 
They actually had a really good team but not won the Trophies to go with it. So yeah could be choking..
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Of course.

Some Indians got offended when I said that this team is giving me a SA vibe where they will bilaterals and lose tourneys. :))
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Those Reddit kids are out of touch with reality, that’s why they blame dls or third umpire for their loss every time.
 
LongtimeLurk3r said:
India will win a tournament soon enough. Not too far away. Can't be chokers if you're making finals.
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Its the nature of their ouster. Their batsmen are chest-thumping run machines in group stages, only to be embarrassed when it comes to the real stage.

Rohit and Virat got schooled by Pakistan two years ago.

Rohit and Virat got schooled by New Zealand just now.

The likes of KL Rahul, Dhoni (of today), Jadhav and Pandya won't win you WCs. Basic fact.
 
WT20 Final vs SL 2014

Didn't drop Yuvi and paid the price. Should have won this but for sentimental reasons, we took a certain decision and lost.

WC Semifinal vs AUS 2015

Honestly, we weren't good enough to beat Aussies in that WC. So let's accept this.

WT20 Semifinal vs WI 2016

Rahane opened and wasted balls, Dhoni played slowly, Kohli was running ones and twos so his SR looked good but we needed big hits.

Bowling was toothless.

CT Final vs Pak 2017

Legendary kaptan king Kohli decided to chase after SL chased and won against us.

Then Bumrah ill-luck, bad bowling and some legendary choking by the chase master.

But all is well, cos he ended the day by laughing around with Pak players. So you have to commend his sportsmanship. :))

WC Semifinal vs NZ 2019

If he hadn't lost this, we would have lost finals.

We needed all the luck to win.

Too many issues to list out why we lost.

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Everything has a logical reason.
 
Slog said:
Not calling Indians chokers but That’s exactly what choking is.

You breeze through the initial stages being the best team but when crunch knockout games come you lose to teams you would smash 4 times out of 5
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Anyone can have a bad day. Today was a snafu kinda day. Happens. I would still back India to win in most encounters - except vs Aus.
 
Virat Kohli's stats in world cup knock-outs:

73 runs
12.16 average
56.15 SR

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Source: not me.
 
After this loss, yes
They were the best side of this tournament by some margin but they couldn't chase 240!!!
 
Slog said:
Not calling Indians chokers but That’s exactly what choking is.

You breeze through the initial stages being the best team but when crunch knockout games come you lose to teams you would smash 4 times out of 5
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To add to this they are having batting collapses (2015 WC semi, 2017 CT final, 2019 WC semi) despite being usually the top scorers in prior stages and bilaterals which is another case to say they are choking due to pressure
 
I hope India never wins another ICC trophy until arrogant Kohli stops being captain. He thinks he is above the game. Serves him right.

Well done, NZ.
 
Team is simply not good enough. Not sure if it's choking. The moment top order failed, this game was over.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Team is simply not good enough. Not sure if it's choking. The moment top order failed, this game was over.
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Lol how is it not good enough. It’s one of the best there and across all conditions it’s the best imo.

Most teams fail if you their top order fails :facepalm:
 
Joseph Gomes said:
That's what choking is, playing well until the big test. Chokers is not applicable for mediocre teams.
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If they kept losing in SFs I would agree with you. India is not SA. They are not chokers - even under Ganguly - at one point they made a lot of finals and kept losing. It's not a new phenomenon. When Dhoni was at his pomp, we couldn't lose.

We need a new closer.
 
Kohli's prophecy came true. "You will see 250 defended in this WC"
 
Lmao 3 people pounced on to create a thread stating 'India Are New Chokers'.

Threads are merged to one though
 
LongtimeLurk3r said:
If they kept losing in SFs I would agree with you. India is not SA. They are not chokers - even under Ganguly - at one point they made a lot of finals and kept losing. It's not a new phenomenon. When Dhoni was at his pomp, we couldn't lose.

We need a new closer.
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What final did they lose under Ganguly except 2003 which was against ATG side
 
Since bilateral meant nothing to the majority of India, this is shocking.

I never knew the list was so long.
 
LongtimeLurk3r said:
If they kept losing in SFs I would agree with you. India is not SA. They are not chokers - even under Ganguly - at one point they made a lot of finals and kept losing. It's not a new phenomenon. When Dhoni was at his pomp, we couldn't lose.

We need a new closer.
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What you are saying is that actually they are worse cause they lose in both semi and finals?
 
sweep_shot said:
I hope India never wins another ICC trophy until arrogant Kohli stops being captain. He thinks he is above the game. Serves him right.

Well done, NZ.
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Agreed. I also somehow dnt like him much. He and his wife thinks of themselves like real king & queen of whole world.
 
India is an overrated team. As I said before the tournament, they lack fast bowling strength and middle-order batsmen.

It's not just me, but most Indians know this as well.

Maybe it's time to move away from the swag and bring in more professional players.
 
Syed1 said:
Kohli's prophecy came true. "You will see 250 defended in this WC"
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Bus kardo zalimon. [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] ko rulao gey kya? The poor lad needs our support in this miserable time. The icing on the cake will be if Auusies knock out whinny Poms tomorrow :yk
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
WT20 Final vs SL 2014

Didn't drop Yuvi and paid the price. Should have won this but for sentimental reasons, we took a certain decision and lost.

WC Semifinal vs AUS 2015

Honestly, we weren't good enough to beat Aussies in that WC. So let's accept this.

WT20 Semifinal vs WI 2016

Rahane opened and wasted balls, Dhoni played slowly, Kohli was running ones and twos so his SR looked good but we needed big hits.

Bowling was toothless.

CT Final vs Pak 2017

Legendary kaptan king Kohli decided to chase after SL chased and won against us.

Then Bumrah ill-luck, bad bowling and some legendary choking by the chase master.

But all is well, cos he ended the day by laughing around with Pak players. So you have to commend his sportsmanship. :))

WC Semifinal vs NZ 2019

If he hadn't lost this, we would have lost finals.

We needed all the luck to win.

Too many issues to list out why we lost.

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Everything has a logical reason.
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2014 T20 - Even Dhoni came and choked at the end, it was just good death bowling. Credit needs to be given where it is due.

2015 - LOL, Agreed

2016 -Agreed and Also West Indies flexed their power game, T20 is their style of game and

2017 - Agreed, stupid shot selection, no ball saga and some choking at the end.
2019 - Credits to NZ.
 
90MPH said:
Only if Mamoon says so.
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"No, India is not choker. They just had an off day, along with couple of off days in the recent past in all the finals. These defeats mean nothing and Pakistan is a miserable team, they only win by flukes...."

Signed by you know whom.... :)
 
2 world cup semifinals in a row in which Kohli scored 1, and third semifinal in a row with a single digit score.

He even failed in the 2017 CT final.

As much as I like and praise him, this is horrendous stuff
 
Not really.

Getting to the final stage consistently isn't choking, it shows how dominant and consistent you are.

You won't win it every time. Pak first needs to get this right and learn how to reach finals, be consistent, dominant.
 
Yeah. Many have felt this for a while now but this thought has been quelled under the - they are doing so well to get there argument.
 
Hawkeye said:
Not really.

Getting to the final stage consistently isn't choking, it shows how dominant and consistent you are.

You won't win it every time. Pak first needs to get this right and learn how to reach finals, be consistent, dominant.
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No one is denying that Pakistan a mid-level team and we have done quite well for our stature. Meanwhile India has everything going in their favour, with ICC giving them special considerations and even altering playing conditions to help them out (two new balls). Still India hasn't won a tournament since 2013. Even mid level Pak managed to win in 2017.
 
Indian team selection has been worse than Pakistan after 2011. You cannot lift trophies with several passengers in your team.
 
Rayyman said:
India is an overrated team. As I said before the tournament, they lack fast bowling strength and middle-order batsmen.

It's not just me, but most Indians know this as well.

Maybe it's time to move away from the swag and bring in more professional players.
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Get Rohit early you are in the game..
 
Of these five KO losses, we can discount WC 2015 semifinal vs Australia as we weren't good enough and hoped for a freak individual brilliance which didn't come...

But the rest four defeats hurt a lot since we were far superior to all the teams but on the given day we panicked and made stupid mistakes...

Moving on, we still are a top team and can fight ...most team will surrender meekly when you are 5/3 chasing 240 but we keep on hanging on...that was good to see...

Also now nice to see the 'dead wood' all gone from the team and hopefully we will come out stronger...time to build strong teams for next 2 WT20 and 1 WC..
 
Hawkeye said:
Not really.

Getting to the final stage consistently isn't choking, it shows how dominant and consistent you are.

You won't win it every time. Pak first needs to get this right and learn how to reach finals, be consistent, dominant.
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Getting to the final stage consistently and losing when you are (on paper) the better team ... is the definition of choking.

India is better than Pakistan. But this thread is about how India are chokers. Despite doing well in the group stages, they’ve made a pattern out of losing the crucial games.
 
Todays loss was not a choke but a lack of intelligence from selection to the final balll seen.
 
Its mostly overdependance on top 3 strategy coupled with inability to play swing (most teams cant either,but its worst for us because 10-2 is almost game over with our suicidal strategy)
 
Syed1 said:
No one is denying that Pakistan a mid-level team and we have done quite well for our stature. Meanwhile India has everything going in their favour, with ICC giving them special considerations and even altering playing conditions to help them out (two new balls). Still India hasn't won a tournament since 2013. Even mid level Pak managed to win in 2017.
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Icc given special consideration like what? Hahaha... Are we allowed to bat twice? Kuj b matlb.... Between I heard alot about conspiracies from Pakistan senior players with in Pakistan media saying big 3 this and how india would reach final.
Atleast one positive thing is that i hope they would realize that everyone are not out there to do fixing.
Between India are biggest chokers in world cricket. I have no doubt
 
no India are not chokers. Prior to champions trophy 2017 they were only one among the top 4 or 5 teams.
The team was in the TOP3 only for the last 2 years or so. How does that become choking??
 
satheesh said:
no India are not chokers. Prior to champions trophy 2017 they were only one among the top 4 or 5 teams.
The team was in the TOP3 only for the last 2 years or so. How does that become choking??
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Choking means when you have a chance to achieve something special when your at the final stage or close to the final stage ( playing semi final or final ) and like you said are a top team and are expected to win thus only to lose ....so yes India is the new choker it's the sad truth
 
2014 they lost the World T20 final vs Sri Lanka and it was quite one sided.
2015 they lost the semi final vs Australia, who were playing at home and were a world class team who went on to win the tournament. No shame in that.

2016 lost to WI in World T20 semi final, was lucky for WI with 2 wickets off no balls and that boundary catch wherethe fielder's foot was JUST touching the boundary.

2017 Final they got battered by Pakistan in CT

Today they fluffed what would have been an easy chase, but the pressure of it being a WC semi final game adds about 20-30 runs.
 
Yup. India has definitely gone into the chokers territory.

I wouldn't call the 2015 WC SF a choke because India certainly were not the favorites going into that WC. In fact, India lost to the favorites (Australia) themselves.

But 2016 T20 WC, 2017 CT and now this - I don't think we can any longer deny the fact that this indian team under Virat Kohli can't handle pressure.

And while we're on the topic, let's also address the fact that Kohli is also a choker.

I know a lot of people here like will be giddy with joy because they feel they have gotten one more chance to bash Dhoni - can't help it, it's the culture of Indians to disrespect legends, especially when they are older - but the fact of the matter is that scores of 9, 1 and 1 in the last 3 ICC 50 over KOs shows that Kohli is the reason why India loses tournaments.

I would love it if someday Kohli can play an innings that is half as impactful as the one "Grandpa" played in the 2011 final.

But don't let facts get in the way of your hate. Let the Dhoni bashing resume.

Over to you [MENTION=147527]MP2011[/MENTION] and [MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION].
 
ak619 said:
Yup. India has definitely gone into the chokers territory.

I wouldn't call the 2015 WC SF a choke because India certainly were not the favorites going into that WC. In fact, India lost to the favorites (Australia) themselves.

But 2016 T20 WC, 2017 CT and now this - I don't think we can any longer deny the fact that this indian team under Virat Kohli can't handle pressure.

And while we're on the topic, let's also address the fact that Kohli is also a choker.

I know a lot of people here like will be giddy with joy because they feel they have gotten one more chance to bash Dhoni - can't help it, it's the culture of Indians to disrespect legends, especially when they are older - but the fact of the matter is that scores of 9, 1 and 1 in the last 3 ICC 50 over KOs shows that Kohli is the reason why India loses tournaments.

I would love it if someday Kohli can play an innings that is half as impactful as the one "Grandpa" played in the 2011 final.

But don't let facts get in the way of your hate. Let the Dhoni bashing resume.

Over to you [MENTION=147527]MP2011[/MENTION] and [MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION].
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Bhai... I have praised pre 2015 Dhoni many times.

I was a hugeee Dhoni fan but hey why let context get in the way of a good narrative.
 
Slog said:
What final did they lose under Ganguly except 2003 which was against ATG side
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India played 14 tournament finals under Ganguly and won just 1 of them - 2002 NatWest final.

Same thing is happening now under Kohli.

Not everyone can be like grandpa who's won more finals as captains that all Indian captains combined.

But of course, kids will always think that their grandparents know nothing because they can't use Instagram on their smartphones. :msd
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Bhai... I have praised pre 2015 Dhoni many times.

I was a hugeee Dhoni fan but hey why let context get in the way of a good narrative.
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Even post 2015 Dhoni has scored more runs today than Kohli has scored in 3 KO innings combined since 2015.

But hey, why let a scapegoat lose when he's on his way out. Everyone loves to hate on "grandpas" and grandmas in India. Not for nothing that Kashi has the largest population in the entire world of old widows abandoned by their families.
 
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ak619 said:
India played 14 tournament finals under Ganguly and won just 1 of them - 2002 NatWest final.

Same thing is happening now under Kohli.

Not everyone can be like grandpa who's won more finals as captains that all Indian captains combined.

But of course, kids will always think that their grandparents know nothing because they can't use Instagram on their smartphones. :msd
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Than
 
Chokers! Kholi needs to speak to Sarfraz about how to get over the line in ICC events..

Also; This game highlights how good Babar’s innings was in a similar must win game, incredible innings!
 
ak619 said:
Even post 2015 Dhoni has scored more runs today than Kohli has scored in 3 KO innings combined since 2015.

But hey, why let a scapegoat lose when he's on his way out. Everyone loves to hate on "grandpas" and grandmas in India. Not for nothing that Kashi has the largest population in the entire world of old widows abandoned by their families.
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Huh?

Kohli has been attacked way more than Dhoni today and rightly so.
 
India had been playing quite well so a big failure was around the corner.subcontinent teams find it difficult to handle the moving ball.NZ bowlers are very good in helpful conditions.Henry's spell was excellent it broke the back of Indian batting.
 
nextover666666 said:
Choking means when you have a chance to achieve something special when your at the final stage or close to the final stage ( playing semi final or final ) and like you said are a top team and are expected to win thus only to lose ....so yes India is the new choker it's the sad truth
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that means Windies of 83, Pakistan of 87, 'both India & Pakistan of 96 ' are all chokers , right??
 
I have to say this though, while India has certainly become chokers, they are still not Pakistan-level chokers.

'96 SF - lost
'99 final - lost
2007 KO match against Ireland - lost
2011 SF - lost
2015 QF - lost
 
That tag belongs to South Africa, looked like a different team once they were officially knocked out.
 
satheesh said:
that means Windies of 83, Pakistan of 87, 'both India & Pakistan of 96 ' are all chokers , right??
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yeah thats one way to look at it

but to be tagged as a choker its something that has to happen often and constantly too.

For a while we have seen South Africa and even New Zealand as well as chokers, and Sri Lanka prior to world t20 2014 win were big chokers as well

Pakistan imo had a choke phase too i would say from world t20 2007 to world t20 2012 and any other icc events in between

Pakistan lost final vs India in 2007 when the game was in their hand that was a massive choke as well

2009 champions trophy semi final they lost vs Australia

2010 another massive choke in world t20 2010 pakistan losing to Australia

2011 world cup vs india semi final, in a game pakistan should have won considering the bowled pretty well, at it was a get-able target too

2012 world t20 was another heart breaker losing to sri lanka in semi finals as well which again we should have won the total was not big at all


you see every team goes through a choking phase its not the end of the world

also if a team chokes it doesnt make them a horrible team, in fact their a great team because their always so close, its just about handling the pressure and making better decisions.

In the end india is the new choker but again it does not mean their a horrible team, and it does not mean it will last for ever for all we know india might win the world t20 next year or the world cup 2023:shezzy
 
India deserve this to bring them back down to earth:smith They thought it was just a matter of time before they lifted the trophy until the Kiwis set them straight:)):)):)) Even better that their arrogance has beeen trampled under Kiwi boots nice and hard. Indian fans were making arrangements for Sunday's final before their second innings started today:rabada2 This is what makes it so pleasing to see them lose today. They won't have to worry about the final's tickets anymore, take that India!! Celebrations in IoK as well I hear:lara
 
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