Are Indian bowlers faster than Pakistani bowlers?

[ManFan]

And still bowled worse than Ishant .And seamer-friendly pitches against SL? LOL.When did Srilanka became fast bowler's paradise. Man, I love your excuses. Keep them coming.Its highly entertaining

Most overs across ALL formats means exhaustion and injuries, which even minor can affect a fast bowler’s (most difficult task in cricket) performance.

If you actually bothered to stop, think, and interpret what I wrote than you would understand that I referred to the recent series against SL that IND hosted. In the seamer-friendly match, he took five wickets for 75 runs. On the flat deck, he took three wickets for 131 runs.

 

[Dingolfy]

Bowl slow when?

This Test was overcast but not as much as the one in May where the par score was barely over 200. Here, both teams came close to 300 but as the pitch deteriorated, they failed to do so again in the second innings.

Also the scoreline in that match is the floowing:
England:184
Pakistan : 363/9 - 80 runs more than the highest score in the current Test
England : 242
Paksitan -66/1

Please pray tell me how was the par score in this match was 'barely ' over 200. I know you will come up with some excuse and I am really excited to hear that.

 

[Dingolfy]

Most overs across ALL formats means exhaustion and injuries, which even minor can affect a fast bowlerÂ’s (most difficult task in cricket) performance.

If you actually bothered to stop, think, and interpret what I wrote than you would understand that I referred to the recent series against SL that IND hosted. In the seamer-friendly match, he took five wickets for 75 runs. On the flat deck, he took three wickets for 131 runs.

Are you sure you are talking about the same match in Nagpur where we scored 610/6 and where even Rohit Sharma ( the biggest FTB of all) scored a century. )Man, I love this. This is the best entertainment I ever had.

 

[ManFan]

Are you sure you are talking about the same match in Nagpur where we scored 610/6 and where even Rohit Sharma ( the biggest FTB of all) scored a century. )Man, I love this. This is the best entertainment I ever had.

I’m looking at the scores.

And they tell a different story.

But let’s assume that it was a flat pitch.

Than does Ishant get the same excuse for not performing on the flat pattas where he went 3 for 131?

 

[ManFan]

Also the scoreline in that match is the floowing:
England:184
Pakistan : 363/9 - 80 runs more than the highest score in the current Test
England : 242
Paksitan -66/1

Please pray tell me how was the par score in this match was 'barely ' over 200. I know you will come up with some excuse and I am really excited to hear that.

242+363+184+66 divided by four is 214.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

I never thought people would be taking this thread seriously.

 

[Dingolfy]

I’m looking at the scores.

And they tell a different story.

But let’s assume that it was a flat pitch.

Than does Ishant get the same excuse for not performing on the flat pattas where he went 3 for 131?

He doesn't. But he makes it up in the next match which Amir is unable to do since his comeback.That is why his average is 26 and Amir's is in 33.

 

[ManFan]

He doesn't. But he makes it up in the next match which Amir is unable to do since his comeback.That is why his average is 26 and Amir's is in 33.

And is that the reason why in these incredible comeback two years he hasn’t produced one memorable match-winning spell like Amir?

 

[Dingolfy]

242+363+184+66 divided by four is 214.

What in God's name is that logic. Let me simplify for you.
England scored 184- proves your theory it was overcast enough to score 200
Pakistan scored 363/9 - debunks your theory as they scored 163 runs more than 200 and that too against English bowlers in their own condtions
England scored 242: again debunks your theory as they scored 42 runs more than 200
Pakistan scores 66/1 in 12.4 overs with more than 4 RPO - again debunks your theory.

So now prove your theory with this.

 

[ManFan]

What in God's name is that logic. Let me simplify for you.
England scored 184- proves your theory it was overcast enough to score 200
Pakistan scored 363/9 - debunks your theory as they scored 163 runs more than 200 and that too against English bowlers in their own condtions
England scored 242: again debunks your theory as they scored 42 runs more than 200
Pakistan scores 66/1 in 12.4 overs with more than 4 RPO - again debunks your theory.

So now prove your theory with this.

I said the par score was barely above 200.

If you can’t comprehend simple mathematics than I really can’t argue any further.

 

[ManFan]

What in God's name is that logic. Let me simplify for you.
England scored 184- proves your theory it was overcast enough to score 200
Pakistan scored 363/9 - debunks your theory as they scored 163 runs more than 200 and that too against English bowlers in their own condtions
England scored 242: again debunks your theory as they scored 42 runs more than 200
Pakistan scores 66/1 in 12.4 overs with more than 4 RPO - again debunks your theory.

So now prove your theory with this.

Even if you disagree with my arguement or “theory” as you claim, how do you defend the Second Test?

 

[Dingolfy]

And is that the reason why in these incredible comeback two years he hasn’t produced one memorable match-winning spell like Amir?

The Srilanka match you referred above itself is one example .And even in this current test, he got a fifer which was excellent spell of bowling but only for our batsmen to ruin it. And he did all this as our third seamer whereas Amir is your spearhead.
And does Amir have any in Tests?

 

[Dingolfy]

I said the par score was barely above 200.

If you can’t comprehend simple mathematics than I really can’t argue any further.

This some kind of special mathematics , bhaijan. its very simple.if its overcast enough to score only 200, how did your batsmen score 363. I cant make it simpler than this.

 

[ManFan]

The Srilanka match you referred above itself is one example .And even in this current test, he got a fifer which was excellent spell of bowling but only for our batsmen to ruin it. And he did all this as our third seamer whereas Amir is your spearhead.
And does Amir have any in Tests?

First test in the WI Tour of 2017.

First Test in the ENG Tour if 2018.

Even in LOI’s, it’s no contest.

 

[ManFan]

This some kind of special mathematics , bhaijan. its very simple.if its overcast enough to score only 200, how did your batsmen score 363. I cant make it simpler than this.

Simple “Bhaijaan”.

Just like how you stated Hasan Ali averaged 40 (which you claimed was “not worthy of international standard”) when in reality he averaged 30.

And work it out for yourself. I’m sure you’re an educated young man.

 

[Dingolfy]

Simple “Bhaijaan”.

Just like how you stated Hasan Ali averaged 40 (which you claimed was “not worthy of international standard”) when in reality he averaged 30.

And work it out for yourself. I’m sure you’re an educated young man.

Following is what I said about Hasan:

What did he do in the second test?Trundled in speed, went for almost 4 an over and took wickets at an average over 40

He took 2 wickets for 82 runs in the second test which is an average over 40.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Following is what I said about Hasan:

He took 2 wickets for 82 runs in the second test which is an average over 40.

India is yet to play four more tests. For all we know, your entire pace battery could average 80+ for the rest of the series, while even Dawid Malan plunders you for runs. So I would keep quiet if I were you. Chest-thumping has only led to embarrassment for you lot, yet you refuse to learn and keep coming back for more.

In case you haven't noticed, an Indian gentleman who genuinely believed India could dominate like the Windies of 70s and Australia of 2000s is missing since England handed you the beat down recently.

 

[ManFan]

Following is what I said about Hasan:

He took 2 wickets for 82 runs in the second test which is an average over 40.

So?

That is not even a Test, it’s one innings you are talking about.

I can cherry pick Ishant’s stats in the First Test that just concluded right now and say he took one wicket and averaged 46.

One innings is not a sample size enough to conclude a player worthy of international standard or not.

 

[Dingolfy]

Can somebody post the speeds of Pakistani bowlers in the second test please.Both Shami and Ishant are bowling in the 140s now.

 

[barah_admi]

LOL I've been reading this page and some people are saying Amir was slow...a while back someone posted AMir's speeds in England and they were at or touching 90mph. None of this mediocre rubbish from Sharma either.

 

[Dingolfy]

LOL I've been reading this page and some people are saying Amir was slow...a while back someone posted AMir's speeds in England and they were at or touching 90mph. None of this mediocre rubbish from Sharma either.

Not exactly. Amir has slowed down considerably by the second Test. You can see for yourselves below the speeds of second test.Even Hardik pandya was bowling faster than Amir.



But our bowlers bowled poorly in this test than yours though and I would be the first one to admit it without any excuses.But then, this thread was about speed.

 

[InziRules]

Not exactly. Amir has slowed down considerably by the second Test. You can see for yourselves below the speeds of second test.Even Hardik pandya was bowling faster than Amir.
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But our bowlers bowled poorly in this test than yours though and I would be the first one to admit it without any excuses.But then, this thread was about speed.

And this is exactly why this thread is stupid imo. You could have 160 mph bowling and it makes no difference. Only India and Pakistan fans care about OMG WE HAVE FASTER BOWLERS. Rest care about results.

 

[Madplayer]

And this is exactly why this thread is stupid imo. You could have 160 mph bowling and it makes no difference. Only India and Pakistan fans care about OMG WE HAVE FASTER BOWLERS. Rest care about results.

And in reality Indians dont even have fast bowlers. Fast bowlers are known by the attitudes. Not the kuchi puchi that Indian bowlers do on the pitch.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

And in reality Indians dont even have fast bowlers. Fast bowlers are known by the attitudes. Not the kuchi puchi that Indian bowlers do on the pitch.

Please elaborate what kind of kuchi puchi our bowlers do on the pitch?

 

[Mamoon]

Faster bowlers vs better ranking in Tests and ODIs?

I know what I would prefer 10/10 times. Pakistani fans and their warped priorities.

 

[Sam99]

As this is fast bowling then surely india can win here. Though pace doesn't mean alot if you can get wickets at 130kph.

 

[Syed1]

Faster bowlers vs better ranking in Tests and ODIs?

I know what I would prefer 10/10 times. Pakistani fans and their warped priorities.

Rankings are the only consolation left for Indian fans

 

[mak36]

Rankings are the only consolation left for Indian fans

The funny thing is he doesn't even seem to understand how rankings work.

 

[mak36]

England scored at 4.5 runs an over, so one thing is clear: Indian bowlers are faster at getting hit to the boundary .

 

[Adijazz1706]

Not exactly. Amir has slowed down considerably by the second Test. You can see for yourselves below the speeds of second test.Even Hardik pandya was bowling faster than Amir.
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But our bowlers bowled poorly in this test than yours though and I would be the first one to admit it without any excuses.But then, this thread was about speed.

Amir had injured his shoulder in the 2nd test, you'd know that if you'd seen the match. Commentators were actually wondering whether he should've bowled at all in the 2nd innings

 

[Mamoon]

The funny thing is he doesn't even seem to understand how rankings work.

I know how they work. Teams that get a long home season often find themselves in ascendency. However, they are certain teams that miss out on the buffet points by getting pasted at home by Sri Lanka and losing Tests to West Indies, but then their fans still complain that India has becoming the number one team by dominating teams at home.

 

[Mamoon]

Rankings are the only consolation left for Indian fans

Unfortunately, rankings are the only thing that teams play for in Tests. The goal is to win the Mace and the goal in the future would be to win the Test Championship Final, which again comes down to the rankings.

Bowling faster doesn't mean anything, and India have almost always had a higher rank than in Pakistan in the last 15 odd years in spite of Pakistan having faster bowlers, so I think they will be quite high to look at Pakistani fans whining from down the table and thumping their chests over how they do better in England and have faster balls.

As I said, Pakistani fans and their warped priorities.

 

[Abdullah719]

Unfortunately, rankings are the only thing that teams play for in Tests. The goal is to win the Mace and the goal in the future would be to win the Test Championship Final, which again comes down to the rankings.

Bowling faster doesn't mean anything, and India have almost always had a higher rank than in Pakistan in the last 15 odd years in spite of Pakistan having faster bowlers, so I think they will be quite high to look at Pakistani fans whining from down the table and thumping their chests over how they do better in England and have faster balls.

As I said, Pakistani fans and their warped priorities.

Which will be at Lord's

 

[BlackShadow]

So is Hardik Pandaya really faster than Pakistani pacers?

I claimed that Hardik Pandya will bowl faster in a 5 match Test series than what Pakistani bowlers bowled in a short 2 match series. Was I correct in my prediction? Yes I was.



It turns out, he is not just faster, but wayyy faster.

 

[Usman Chadda]

I claimed that Hardik Pandya will bowl faster in a 5 match Test series than what Pakistani bowlers bowled in a short 2 match series. Was I correct in my prediction? Yes I was.

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It turns out, he is not just faster, but wayyy faster.

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Asia Cup isn’t too far away. We will have a clear picture then. Just don’t run away like you did when India got pummelled last week.

 

[Napa]

242+363+184+66 divided by four is 214.

Are you really taking the 66/1 to represent an entire innings???

Your correct divisor should be around 3.1, and not 4 as the 4th innings did not need to be completed.

242+363+184+66 / 3.1 = 276

 

[BlackShadow]

Asia Cup isn’t too far away. We will have a clear picture then. Just don’t run away like you did when India got pummelled last week.

There is no running away from stats or documented speeds. Even last week, Pandya was faster than all Pakistani pacers. Now in the 3rd Test, he is only getting quicker.

The picture is clear enough already, but if you insist, sure, bring on the Asia Cup.

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

Don't really get the obsession with speed. Mohammad Abbas barely hits high 130s, but is a better test bowler than every other Indian and Pakistani pacer.

 

[Usman Chadda]

There is no running away from stats or documented speeds. Even last week, Pandya was faster than all Pakistani pacers. Now in the 3rd Test, he is only getting quicker.

The picture is clear enough already, but if you insist, sure, bring on the Asia Cup.

Yep, bring on the Asia Cup. Documented speeds and live television will be enough to prove who is faster (and better).

Just do not run away when it goes pear-shaped for your lot. Takes out the fun from all the banter when one party is here no matter what, while the other is nowhere to be seen after a loss. The last week was very disappointing, with no chest-thumpers seen on the forum.

 

[Kaptan]

Current Pakistani bowlers are certified turdlers.
Even Pandaya is faster )

 

[Varun]

Why should this become an ego thing?

If 142 > 137, that's the end of the debate.

 

[Muddaser]

Current Pakistani bowlers are certified turdlers.
Even Pandaya is faster )

Wahab is current too.

 

[Muddaser]

All Pakistani pacers?

Who is quicker than Wahab Riaz?

 

[Muddaser]

Why should this become an ego thing?

If 142 > 137, that's the end of the debate.

Wahab Riaz = End of debate.

 

[Balthazar]

Our batting all-rounder is faster than Pakistan's strike bowlers? Indian bowlers are not only fast but better too. And we have yet to play Siraj. A bowling attack of Bumrah, Ishant, Shami, Umesh, Pandya and Siraj, bring it on.

 

[Varun]

Wahab Riaz = End of debate.

Spraygun who last played a test close to a year ago. We are talking about regular bowlers from both nations, at least those who featured in their respective England tours this summer.

 

[Kaptan]

All Pakistani pacers?

Who is quicker than Wahab Riaz?

Wahab Riaz is history.

 

[Muddaser]

Wahab Riaz is history.

Really?

When did you become Pakistan selector?

Last time I checked Wahab is playing for Derbyshire.

 

[Muddaser]

Spraygun who last played a test close to a year ago. We are talking about regular bowlers from both nations, at least those who featured in their respective England tours this summer.

Talk about being selective. Typical Indian behaviour no different to world cup wins only apply

Topic of discussion is 'are Indian bowlers faster than Pakistani bowlers'

Wahab Riaz hasnt retired last time I checked.

Mohammad Sami is also quicker to this day.

Are you telling me just cause they dont get selected for Pakistan means 'Indians are quicker'

What happens tomorrow if Wahab is selected?

Heard this all before, still remember the days when Indians reckoned Javagal Srinath was quicker than Waqar Younis.

Give it a rest.

 

[Varun]

Topic of discussion is 'are Indian bowlers faster than Pakistani bowlers'

Indeed - please recognize the present tense. The topic after all is not "Have Indian bowlers been faster than Pakistani bowlers?" It talks about here and now.

So bringing in the likes of Mohammad Sami and "What happens tomorrow if Wahab is selected?" is conjencture and irrelevant at best.

 

[BlackShadow]

Talk about being selective. Typical Indian behaviour no different to world cup wins only apply

Topic of discussion is 'are Indian bowlers faster than Pakistani bowlers'

Wahab Riaz hasnt retired last time I checked.

Mohammad Sami is also quicker to this day.

Are you telling me just cause they dont get selected for Pakistan means 'Indians are quicker'

What happens tomorrow if Wahab is selected?

Heard this all before, still remember the days when Indians reckoned Javagal Srinath was quicker than Waqar Younis.

Give it a rest.

Umesh Yadav and Aaron are still the fastest bowling duo in Asia. Both bowl 90mph all the time. This is very much unlike Wahab who trundles most of the year at 135kph and bowls fast once in a blue moon.

 

[BlackShadow]

Indeed - please recognize the present tense. The topic after all is not "Have Indian bowlers been faster than Pakistani bowlers?" It talks about here and now.

So bringing in the likes of Mohammad Sami and "What happens tomorrow if Wahab is selected?" is conjencture and irrelevant at best.

Ask them to fetch bowling speeds in the last 5 Tests Wahab played. The guy has been trundling ever since 2015 WC hype.

 

[Muddaser]

Indeed - please recognize the present tense. The topic after all is not "Have Indian bowlers been faster than Pakistani bowlers?" It talks about here and now.

So bringing in the likes of Mohammad Sami and "What happens tomorrow if Wahab is selected?" is conjencture and irrelevant at best.

So you are telling me if Shoaib Akhtar or Brett Lee werent selected for a couple of tours or out injured it meant they were no longer the fastest during that time?

Being selective as usual.

Wahab has NOT retired from International cricket.

He is a current Pakistan bowler who has not been selected due to bad performances.

Doesnt change the fact that even to this day he is quicker than any Indian bowler.

Selected or not selected.

 

[Muddaser]

Topic of discussion
- Are Indian bowlers faster than Pakistan bowlers.

No.

Wahab is irrespective of him being rubbish.

 

[BlackShadow]

Topic of discussion
- Are Indian bowlers faster than Pakistan bowlers.

No.

Wahab is irrespective of him being rubbish.

Since when was trundling at mid-130s fast? Wahab has consistently been outpaced by Shami and Umesh in the last 2 years. I have consistently asked you for Wahab's recent speeds, but you are dodging it, perhaps out of embarrassment.

Or if you are referring to the the WC or some pre-historic tournament, then let me go by your logic, and counter it with this. Both Umesh and Aaron are still playing, and Aaron in particular has been faster than any Asian bowler in Tests or ODIs, that too quite consistently.

 

[big_gamer007]

The most consistent and most successful fast bowler was Glen McGrath who did not have super high speed. So one should emulate to be like Mr. Mcgrath and not Wahab Riaz

 

[BlackShadow]

Interesting to you maybe.

What does it show?

Bowling speeds for 1 match, 10 matches or last 2 years.

Now topic has gone to consistently fast. Try finding bowling speed records for that.

Nice try.

You are the one reminding everyone of thread title. You are the one mentioning Wahab.

So tell us, how can he be rated the fastest in Asia, when the likes of Shami, Umesh and Bumrah have been consistently quicker than him in most Test and ODI series?

 

[Muddaser]

The most consistent and most successful fast bowler was Glen McGrath who did not have super high speed. So one should emulate to be like Mr. Mcgrath and not Wahab Riaz

Glenn Mcgrath was probably faster than Brett Lee too at one time.

Thats when Brett Lee wasnt selected.

 

[Muddaser]

You are the one reminding everyone of thread title. You are the one mentioning Wahab.

So tell us, how can he be rated the fastest in Asia, when the likes of Shami, Umesh and Bumrah have been consistently quicker than him in most Test and ODI series?

That reply was to Varun.

I didnt bring up 'Consistently Fast'.

 

[big_gamer007]

Glenn Mcgrath was probably faster than Brett Lee too at one time.

Thats when Brett Lee wasnt selected.

I did not understand.

You mean McGrath was faster than a 12/13 year old Lee?

 

[BlackShadow]

Not only is he not in the team, he is also not consistently fast.

Refer the post above by [MENTION=146612]BlackShadow[/MENTION] - it carries an interesting graph.

He is dodging my question for a reason. Last many series had Wahab trundling, and that's when he was booted out never to return. Here's Wahab's last match -

 

[Muddaser]

I did not understand.

You mean McGrath was faster than a 12/13 year old Lee?

Going by the logic used by some Indians in this thread, Mcgrath would be considered quicker than Brett Lee during the times Brett Lee wasnt in the team.

Hence why Wahab Riaz cant be considered cause he isnt in the team.

 

[BlackShadow]

Going by the logic used by some Indians in this thread, Mcgrath would be considered quicker than Brett Lee during the times Brett Lee wasnt in the team.

Hence why Wahab Riaz cant be considered cause he isnt in the team.

No, Wahab Riaz can't be considered anything because he has not even been bowling fast! Please share with us the last series where he actually bowled fast.

 

[Muddaser]

Javagal Srinath was also quicker than Waqar Younis.

Consistently faster.

Ask the Indians.

 

[gazza619]

I reckon Waseem Akram got the majority of his wickets bowling between 130 and 140 kph.
Not sure why the obsession with speed.
It is the swing and the line and length gets you wickets..

 

[big_gamer007]

Going by the logic used by some Indians in this thread, Mcgrath would be considered quicker than Brett Lee during the times Brett Lee wasnt in the team.

Hence why Wahab Riaz cant be considered cause he isnt in the team.

Oh ok, well Sami and Riaz are probably fastest bowlers in asia right now but they both are crap anyways.

 

[aloo paratha]

I said the par score was barely above 200.

If you can’t comprehend simple mathematics than I really can’t argue any further.

That's not par score, that's average score... With one innings not even close to being completed.

 

[aloo paratha]

I claimed that Hardik Pandya will bowl faster in a 5 match Test series than what Pakistani bowlers bowled in a short 2 match series. Was I correct in my prediction? Yes I was.

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It turns out, he is not just faster, but wayyy faster.

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You're comparing our bowlers who bowled 20 or more overs in the innings to Pandya who only bowled one 6 over spell. Way to nitpick stats to push your agenda

 

[Stewie]

After two massive thrashings, they have one good day and the trolls are coming out of the woodwork... sums up Indian fans on PP! Hahaha

 

[aloo paratha]

Anyways, Shami is the only really quick bowler from both sides that's bowled close to or over 140 kph consistently in the last couple of months. Amir and Hasan have the potential to do so, as they are always bowling those speeds in LOIs, but they just have to get fitter to be able to do it in test cricket.

 

[BlackShadow]

You're comparing our bowlers who bowled 20 or more overs in the innings to Pandya who only bowled one 6 over spell. Way to nitpick stats to push your agenda

Here's Pandya from 2nd Test. 100+ deliveries, and both average pace and top speed is still higher.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Anyways, Shami is the only really quick bowler from both sides that's bowled close to or over 140 kph consistently in the last couple of months. Amir and Hasan have the potential to do so, as they are always bowling those speeds in LOIs, but they just have to get fitter to be able to do it in test cricket.

Bumrah is faster than shami.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Our bowlers have definitely been quicker than either the English seamers ir the Pakistanis but they were more accurate and didn't give away freebies and got better results. However, this thread is only about pace so yes - Ishant,Bumrah, Shami and Hardik were quicker on average pace than both.

 

[ethan hunt]

No Indian bowler ever has or is capable of touching 97.5 mph in a test match as Wahab did at the oval , helping Pakistan win .
India hasn't even produced a bowler as quick as Wahab Riaz in their entire history , what a silly discussion .

Check out his speeds from this series in England.
ww.espncricinfo.com/series/8499/hawkeye/913647/england-vs-pakistan-4th-investec-test-pak-tour-of-eng-2016.

95 Mph at Lords , 97.5 mph at the Oval . has any Indian bowler ever bowled quicker in a test match , like ever ?

 

[ethan hunt]

No, Wahab Riaz can't be considered anything because he has not even been bowling fast! Please share with us the last series where he actually bowled fast.

Lol he bowled upoto 97.5 mph at Oval and 95 mph at lords helping Pakistan win the last two times he played test cricket in England .

That is quicker than anyone India has ever produced let alone the current crop of pacers .

 

[BlackShadow]

Lol he bowled upoto 97.5 mph at Oval and 95 mph at lords helping Pakistan win the last two times he played test cricket in England .

That is quicker than anyone India has ever produced let alone the current crop of pacers .

A series from 2016? Back in those days, Aaron and Umesh were opening for India, bowling 146kph as average pace, with peak touching 154kph. Unlike Wahab, they did it quite consistently, and didn't huff and puff for rest of the spell or series.

Fast forward to 2017, and Wahab was trundling at 135kph. Two years of occasional fast spells had taken their toll on his fragile body and he was nothing more than a medium-pacer. Talk about his last match, the trundling speeds went down to 132kph! And this was the last we saw of Wahab, booted out never to return again.

Back to present, forget Shami, Bumrah or Umesh, the real benchmark for Pakistani bowling speeds is Hardik Pandya. How about Pakistani pacers outpace him first and then set their sights on Indian pace attack?

 

[ethan hunt]

A series from 2016? Back in those days, Aaron and Umesh were opening for India, bowling 146kph as average pace, with peak touching 154kph. Unlike Wahab, they did it quite consistently, and didn't huff and puff for rest of the spell or series.

Fast forward to 2017, and Wahab was trundling at 135kph. Two years of occasional fast spells had taken their toll on his fragile body and he was nothing more than a medium-pacer. Talk about his last match, the trundling speeds went down to 132kph! And this was the last we saw of Wahab, booted out never to return again.

Back to present, forget Shami, Bumrah or Umesh, the real benchmark for Pakistani bowling speeds is Hardik Pandya. How about Pakistani pacers outpace him first and then set their sights on Indian pace attack?

No . Please don't lie . they do not bowl an average pace of 146 kph . i gave you an example from his last series in England . No Indian bowler has bowled 95 mph as many times as Wahab has in their entire cricket history if ever .He was quicker at the world cup . He was quicker at the champions trophy . He has always been the quickest when he has played against India . Heck he was bowling 154 kph in the PSL very recently . He was quicker than the likes of mills and archer let alone the Indian medium pacers .

He always easily outpaces the indian bowlers when they play each other . There is no competition between him and the indians.

 

[big_gamer007]

The fastest bowler ever produced by both teams was an Indian. Unfortunately he did not get to show the world of his pace.

However he was still faster than any bowler from Pakistan or anywhere in the world for that and made Shoaib look like a trundler.

 

[aloo paratha]

Bumrah is faster than shami.

He just returned to the side, I want to see if he's still bowling with the same intensity after 3 consecutive tests like Shami has been.

 

[aloo paratha]

Here's Pandya from 2nd Test. 100+ deliveries, and both average pace and top speed is still higher.

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So more or less the same average speed.

Which test is your pic for the Pakistani bowlers from?