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So I was having this argument with this guy on youtube who was saying India has faster bowlers :kapil than Pakistan. Ofcourse I was shocked to hear that. He was saying Yadav and Aaron bowl 145 ks + consistently meanwhile Junaid reaches 142 ks on average. Then he said Yadav had 149 ks average speed in the WC which was apparently second highest in this WC and Riaz not even in the top 5. (Shami was number 5 with average of 141 ks). Are his arguments true...or are Yadav and Shami inconsistent with their speeds.

I know Yadav is a horrible bowler and he's listed as fast medium on cricinfo and so is Shami.
Meanwhile Junaid, Irfan and Riaz are all listed as fast

So is it true? Are Indian bowlers really faster than Pakistanis?
Obviously Pakistani fast bowlers are a million times better skillwise :junaid but do India finally have faster bowlers than Pakistan??
 
Aaron and Wahab both crank it up to 150+.
Yadav may touch 150, but not as much as the other two.
Yadav and Shami are faster than Junaid, and pretty much the same as Bhatti.
Aaron and Wahab are neck and neck I feel.
 
Yadav had 149 kph average speed in the WC? I highly doubt that
 
Zero said:
Aaron and Wahab both crank it up to 150+.
Yadav may touch 150, but not as much as the other two.
Yadav and Shami are faster than Junaid, and pretty much the same as Bhatti.
Aaron and Wahab are neck and neck I feel.
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Really? I knew Yadav bowled faster than Junaid but it's surprising to hear Shami being faster than Junaid. I think they bowl at pretty similar speeds. Bhatti is a medium pacer and shouldn't even be in the discussion only comparable to Bhuvneshwar with that speed
 
TheNightWatchman said:
Really? I knew Yadav bowled faster than Junaid but it's surprising to hear Shami being faster than Junaid. I think they bowl at pretty similar speeds. Bhatti is a medium pacer and shouldn't even be in the discussion only comparable to Bhuvneshwar with that speed
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I remember Bhatti crossed 140 in the series against South Africa. He has pace. Thats primarily why Waqar Younis wanted him over other options like Sohail Tanvir or Anwar Ali.
 
This doesnt say average speeds. I think there might have been a misunderstanding here. This is probably a list of the fastest balls bowled in the tournament( in the earlier stages).
 
Average speed are not an accurate depiction of a pacers speed. Alot of them use slower balls and cutters to deceive the batsmen which will bring down their average speed.

The fact of the matter is Wahab Riaz bowled the fastest delivery of the WC and that doesn't happen by fluke. Yadav is a good pacy bowler but an average speed of 149 kph is Akhtar-esque and seems like wrong info..
 
Average speed of 149.:)))

Even Jhonson wasnt bowling that fast. Starc should be round about that though.
 
Starc, Milne and Aaron are three of the fastest today.

Morkel, MJ and Yadav bowl 143-144 kph average.

Wahab usually bowls average pace of around 138-140... but he did crank it up to 145kph against Australia, showing he can do it when he gives it his all.

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Wahab has the most interesting case among the bowlers above. His first 6-7 overs have him hovering around 137-140 kph, but the final three are bowled at 145+ average. So, that's quite an interesting observation.
 
Why is everyone going crazy over Wahab Riaz? i know he bowled that fast speel against Aussie, but what else has he done.
lol people go on about his pace like he is Mitchell Johnson or Starc. They consistantly bowl fast even in Tests where as Wahab did it only twice this tornament.
Wahab would be averaging around 136-140 kph in a test match where as someone like Johnson would average 145kph.
I'd like him to prove me wrong, but i doubt he'll be succesfull in Tests
 
Electron said:
Starc, Milne and Aaron are three of the fastest today.

Morkel, MJ and Yadav bowl 143-144 kph average.

Wahab usually bowls average pace of around 138-140... but he did crank it up to 145kph against Australia, showing he can do it when he gives it his all.

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Wahab has the most interesting case among the bowlers above. His first 6-7 overs have him hovering around 137-140 kph, but the final three are bowled at 145+ average. So, that's quite an interesting observation.
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Easily hit 150+ against Australia in a few deliveries.

Also his 154 kph ball to Dhoni was the fastest of the WC. Wahab has an average pace of 145 kph.
 
Syed1 said:
Average speed are not an accurate depiction of a pacers speed. Alot of them use slower balls and cutters to deceive the batsmen which will bring down their average speed.

The fact of the matter is Wahab Riaz bowled the fastest delivery of the WC and that doesn't happen by fluke. Yadav is a good pacy bowler but an average speed of 149 kph is Akhtar-esque and seems like wrong info..
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Average speed doesn't get impacted by slower balls or cutters cos bowlers use that for 1 out of 10 deliveries.

The sample set for faster deliveries is solid to get a good idea.

Now some pacers intentionally don't go full throttle and that can impact average speed while some pacers can't go full throttle always which impacts average speed too.
 
Timewaster said:
Why is everyone going crazy over Wahab Riaz? i know he bowled that fast speel against Aussie, but what else has he done.
lol people go on about his pace like he is Mitchell Johnson or Starc. They consistantly bowl fast even in Tests where as Wahab did it only twice this tornament.
Wahab would be averaging around 136-140 kph in a test match where as someone like Johnson would average 145kph.
I'd like him to prove me wrong, but i doubt he'll be succesfull in Tests
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Johnson and Starc were averaging below 140kph when they visited UAE.

Wahab has played zero test matches in Australia.
 
Electron said:
Starc, Milne and Aaron are three of the fastest today.

Morkel, MJ and Yadav bowl 143-144 kph average.

Wahab usually bowls average pace of around 138-140... but he did crank it up to 145kph against Australia, showing he can do it when he gives it his all.

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Wahab has the most interesting case among the bowlers above. His first 6-7 overs have him hovering around 137-140 kph, but the final three are bowled at 145+ average. So, that's quite an interesting observation.
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Looking at your post, looks like Wahab is clearly saving it up.

Looks like an intentional strategy from him if he can raise his average speed from 140-145 at will in future spells.
 
Indian bowlers are faster than us right now

But our bowler will forever be phaaster than them
 
Syed1 said:
Easily hit 150+ against Australia in a few deliveries.

Also his 154 kph ball to Dhoni was the fastest of the WC. Wahab has an average pace of 145 kph.
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Only in that match against Australia.

In all other matches, his average pace is 138-140kph.

People say that average pace is low because of slower balls, but the fact is that 60% of Wahab deliveries are 137-140kph, and that brings the average pace down.
 
Aaron is the fastest pacer in the SC right now.

Wahab/Yadav can both bowl 145k easily and can crank it up to 150k's when needed.

Junaid is a 135-140k. Much like Ishant.
 
mithun_minhas said:
Aaron is the fastest pacer in the SC right now.

Wahab/Yadav can both bowl 145k easily and can crank it up to 150k's when needed.

Junaid is a 135-140k. Much like Ishant.
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Seems about right. Aaron is easily the paciest of the lot, needs to be carefully groomed otherwise might lose his way.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Looking at your post, looks like Wahab is clearly saving it up.

Looks like an intentional strategy from him if he can raise his average speed from 140-145 at will in future spells.
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Or it could be that he cannot bowl that pace consistently for consecutive matches. Aussie match was one where he gave it his all.

Other bowlers I mentioned jog in and bowl 143+kph effortlessly.

It will be interesting to see how Wahab responds to the expectations now that he has this MJ like reputation.



Syed1 said:
Johnson and Starc were averaging below 140kph when they visited UAE.

Wahab has played zero test matches in Australia.
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That is incorrect. Please check those speeds again. Starc was way faster than any other bowler. MJ too bowled quicker than any Pakistani bowler.
 
Wahab is inconsistent and needs a danda as Afridi put it to maintain his standards

in tests (even in NZ) he averaged 135 kph

but in big odi matches and t20s he picks his pace up
 
but I feel Wahab's fastest delivery is faster than any bowler in subcontinent right now. (only aaron can come close)

Yadav is most consistent in pace throughout all conditions and countries
 
Electron said:
To answer the thread in short, yes Indian bowlers are faster. :akhtar
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Our kind of thread.Yes Indians are faster at this moment(For the first time in history i might add) but dont know how to bowl fast :akhtar.Aaron and Umesh are not great bowlers Wahab is better than both of them.Not to mention this is our third string fast bowling attack.
 
Slog said:
Wahab is inconsistent and needs a danda as Afridi put it to maintain his standards

in tests (even in NZ) he averaged 135 kph

but in big odi matches and t20s he picks his pace up
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Don't think so bro. It is not danda. What Wahab needs is a big stage ( WC, Champion's Trophy). It is his passion for the occasion that raises his game.
 
Reverseswing97 said:
Our kind of thread.Yes Indians are faster at this moment(For the first time in history i might add) but dont know how to bowl fast :akhtar.Aaron and Umesh are not great bowlers Wahab is better than both of them.Not to mention this is our third string fast bowling attack.
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Umesh is a different bowler now. Ever since he controlled his pace, he is getting some great results. His spells are not scary as Wahab's, but he is a changed bowler for sure and as good as Wahab if not better.

I agree about Aaron though. He is a bit like Milne, all pace, not much skill.
 
Electron said:
Don't think so bro. It is not danda. What Wahab needs is a big stage ( WC, Champion's Trophy). It is his passion for the occasion that raises his game.
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yes. that kinda ties into each other

he should be giving his all most times not just big games. but he doesn't do it. if there was a danda then he might be forced to give it all most games

its not a coincidence that his best performances have come in the biggest games for him

off top of my head: Test debut in Oval in 2010 where he led Pak to a win. WC semi 2011. Crucial matches this WC.

a truly quality bowler will be doing his best more consistently and just playing cricket at the top level should be enough motivation
 
Reverseswing97 said:
Our kind of thread.Yes Indians are faster at this moment(For the first time in history i might add) but dont know how to bowl fast :akhtar.Aaron and Umesh are not great bowlers Wahab is better than both of them.Not to mention this is our third string fast bowling attack.
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Umesh is clearly better lol
 
Electron said:
Umesh is a different bowler now. Ever since he controlled his pace, he is getting some great results. His spells are not scary as Wahab's, but he is a changed bowler for sure and as good as Wahab if not better.

I agree about Aaron though. He is a bit like Milne, all pace, not much skill.
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Umesh has improved no denying that but this world cup has been greatly misleading abt his performance.He might have ended in the leading wicket taker list but he did not bowl as well as his figures suggest.Shami was way better than him in this tourny.I still rate Wahab better than Umesh.
 
[MENTION=138505]Reverseswing97[/MENTION] .. Check out how Umesh has progressed in the recent past. He is not bowling 150kph anymore, but check the results. Most of the matches played in India.

Last 1 year -

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Last 2 years -

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I think people need to change their perception of Umesh. He is no more a spray-gun, atleast in ODIs. He is improving with every single match, and is a quality ODI bowler now.
 
Electron said:
[MENTION=138505]Reverseswing97[/MENTION] .. Check out how Umesh has progressed in the recent past. He is not bowling 150kph anymore, but check the results. Most of the matches played in India.

Last 1 year -

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I think people need to change their perception of Umesh. He is no more a spray-gun, atleast in ODIs. He is improving with every single match, and is a quality ODI bowler now.
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Still got a long way to go to become quality...His last match he got smashed by the Aussies
 
Umesh was very ordinary in this WC. He got no wickets against south africa. 2 against the Windies. The rest were against Minnows. He got a 4 for against the Aussies but got smashed
 
Reverseswing97 said:
Umesh has improved no denying that but this world cup has been greatly misleading abt his performance.He might have ended in the leading wicket taker list but he did not bowl as well as his figures suggest.Shami was way better than him in this tourny.I still rate Wahab better than Umesh.
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Check my post above about Umesh. This WC isn't the only time he has performed well, Sri Lankans are beasts in the subcontinent, Wahab and company experienced that first-hand.

But on even flatter tracks, Umesh simply blew the same batsmen who were tonking Wahab and company all summer. Check my post above to see how Umesh has progressed in last 2 years.

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Also, saying that Umesh did not bowl as well as figures suggest is quite harsh. Since you brought that up, I am sure you are aware that Wahab picked atleast 50-70% of his wickets in overs 47-50th when tailenders were slogging.

Does that take anything away from Wahab ? No.
 
Timewaster said:
Why is everyone going crazy over Wahab Riaz? i know he bowled that fast speel against Aussie, but what else has he done.
lol people go on about his pace like he is Mitchell Johnson or Starc. They consistantly bowl fast even in Tests where as Wahab did it only twice this tornament.
Wahab would be averaging around 136-140 kph in a test match where as someone like Johnson would average 145kph.
I'd like him to prove me wrong, but i doubt he'll be succesfull in Tests
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people are crazy about him because he is a clutch player.

He plays a world cup and then disappears for four years and then.............booom!

same thing happened in 2011, he was running through the Indians in the semi. People like big match players.
 
Aaron and Yadav may be bit faster if you look at the average speed.

But well,

Faster doesn't mean better! :akhtar
 
TheNightWatchman said:
Really? I knew Yadav bowled faster than Junaid but it's surprising to hear Shami being faster than Junaid. I think they bowl at pretty similar speeds. Bhatti is a medium pacer and shouldn't even be in the discussion only comparable to Bhuvneshwar with that speed
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Pretty sure Bhatti was consistently in the mid 140s...
And Shami was reaching the 140s consistently, Junaid used to average in the 140s, but not anymore sadly.
Maybe he'll be brisk on his comeback.
 
also I have to say one thing.

If any PakPassion member ever interviews any of the AUstralian team members just ask them who's bowling they were more scared of during the quarterfinal and the semifinal and I can assure you almost all if not all will say Pakistan and the numbers backed that too.
 
TheNightWatchman said:
So I was having this argument with this guy on youtube who was saying India has faster bowlers :kapil than Pakistan. Ofcourse I was shocked to hear that. He was saying Yadav and Aaron bowl 145 ks + consistently meanwhile Junaid reaches 142 ks on average. Then he said Yadav had 149 ks average speed in the WC which was apparently second highest in this WC and Riaz not even in the top 5. (Shami was number 5 with average of 141 ks). Are his arguments true...or are Yadav and Shami inconsistent with their speeds.

I know Yadav is a horrible bowler and he's listed as fast medium on cricinfo and so is Shami.
Meanwhile Junaid, Irfan and Riaz are all listed as fast

So is it true? Are Indian bowlers really faster than Pakistanis?
Obviously Pakistani fast bowlers are a million times better skillwise :junaid but do India finally have faster bowlers than Pakistan??
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Was always curious about guys who fight India-Pakistan wars in the Youtube comments section.

Now I have found one :))
 
TheNightWatchman said:
Umesh was very ordinary in this WC. He got no wickets against south africa. 2 against the Windies. The rest were against Minnows. He got a 4 for against the Aussies but got smashed
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This is the kind of bias that throws sensible debates out of the window. Bro, can I use the same logic for Wahab..? I hope I am not classified a hateful troll for this reply. :)


- Wahab's wickets this World Cup were literally all tailenders taken during overs 47-50 when they started slogging.

- Wahab went missing against top and middle order.

- He got smashed in almost all matches going for around 6 rpo.

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Let's not do this man. If you really have to be this critical, then please sort wickets by what order batsmen were taken and at what stage of the game those wickets were taken. Rattling stumps when tailenders try to slog is not that big a deal.
 
Electron said:
Check my post above about Umesh. This WC isn't the only time he has performed well, Sri Lankans are beasts in the subcontinent, Wahab and company experienced that first-hand.

But on even flatter tracks, Umesh simply blew the same batsmen who were tonking Wahab and company all summer. Check my post above to see how Umesh has progressed in last 2 years.
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I was abt to mention that series,Umesh bowled tremendously in that series blowing the lankans away(although having large scores on the board does help)but still nothing to take away from him.But that series was the only one where he bowled well,after that series he has not been good.Those stats are very misleading as most have his wickets have come against Bangladesh and Sl.Those figures against SL are only due to one great series.Against all the other major nations he has not been good.6 wickets against Aus is also a misleading stat as while he took 4 wickets he was taken apart and bowled terribly.Btw the tonking u mentioned included a 4 for Wahab.




Also, saying that Umesh did not bowl as well as figures suggest is quite harsh. Since you brought that up, I am sure you are aware that Wahab picked atleast 50-70% of his wickets in overs 47-50th when tailenders were slogging.

Does that take anything away from Wahab ? No.
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By not bowling as well as his figures suggested i meant that where he ended up he was nowhere near the best bowlers of the tournament.Lets see where he got his wickets 3 against UAE,4 against Bang and 4 against Aus where he was taken apart and has been ordinary against all other teams.Check the stats again ull get to know how many tailender wickets wahab has and how wrong u are.Wahab has been way better this tournament.
Btw could u check wahab's stats in the last year could be an interesting comparision.Wahab is the better bowler
 
Abhilash93 said:
Was always curious about guys who fight India-Pakistan wars in the Youtube comments section.

Now I have found one :))
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lol It wasn't the horrible ones you usually find :P Just a discussion on cricket. He started to "move away from cricket" but I managed to focus his attention to the cricket
 
Reverseswing97 said:
By not bowling as well as his figures suggested i meant that where he ended up he was nowhere near the best bowlers of the tournament.Lets see where he got his wickets 3 against UAE,4 against Bang and 4 against Aus where he was taken apart and has been ordinary against all other teams.Check the stats again ull get to know how many tailender wickets wahab has and how wrong u are.Wahab has been way better this tournament.
Btw could u check wahab's stats in the last year could be an interesting comparision.Wahab is the better bowler
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Last 1 year -

Wahab picked 29 wickets, at an average of 26.34.
Yadav picked 37 wickets at an average of 21.59.

Last 2 years -

Wahab picked 35 Wickets at an average of 32.65.
Yadav picked 49 wickets at an average of 25.8.

I can say that Umesh bowled his heart out on Indian 350 par score battas and bla bla....but I know that won't be enough to prove Umesh a better bowler, so be it. Most debates on bowling in Pakpassion settle based on the nationality of the bowler, not performances.
 
Electron said:
This is the kind of bias that throws sensible debates out of the window. Bro, can I use the same logic for Wahab..? I hope I am not classified a hateful troll for this reply. :)


- Wahab's wickets this World Cup were literally all tailenders taken during overs 47-50 when they started slogging.

- Wahab went missing against top and middle order.

- He got smashed in almost all matches going for around 6 rpo.

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Let's not do this man. If you really have to be this critical, then please sort wickets by what order batsmen were taken and at what stage of the game those wickets were taken. Rattling stumps when tailenders try to slog is not that big a deal.
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Not biased...Just simply reading the facts. Wahab a much better death bowler. A much more attacking bowler. There respective performances can be summed up by the quarter and the semi finals. So according to you guys like Hashim Amla, Russow, Warner and Clarke are tailenders? He took those wickets after his teams dismal first innings total. He did the same against Zimbabwe top order when they set a very low total. Smashed in all matches? he only went for more than 6 in one match. Now who's being biased??
 
Electron said:
Last 1 year -

Wahab picked 29 wickets, at an average of 26.34.
Yadav picked 37 wickets at an average of 21.59.

Last 2 years -

Wahab picked 35 Wickets at an average of 32.65.
Yadav picked 49 wickets at an average of 25.8.

I can say that Umesh bowled his heart out on Indian 350 par score battas and bla bla....but I know that won't be enough to prove Umesh a better bowler, so be it. Most debates on bowling in Pakpassion settle based on the nationality of the bowler, not performances.
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You do know that Wahab wasn't a permanent fixture in the Pakistan squad at all in the last two years right??
 
I didn't add economy rates above, so just in case people my assume this to be attempt at hiding numbers, here they are -

Last 1 year - Umesh's ER has been 5.26, compared to 5.85 for Wahab.

Last 2 years - Umesh's ER has been 5.44, compared to Wahab's 5.64.
 
They might be faster by a hair but I dont think they have the skill of Pakistan bowlers (provided the leading Pakistani bowlers are fit).

A line up consisting of Irfan, Wahab, Junaid and possibly Sohail Khan/Gul/Bhatti can easily outgun Aaron, Shami, Yadav, Bhuvneshwar, etc.

You can review their stats to reach that conclusion.

Also by October when Aamir comes back, we can have this conversation again :) buahahaha!!!
 
Electron said:
Last 1 year -

Wahab picked 29 wickets, at an average of 26.34.
Yadav picked 37 wickets at an average of 21.59.

Last 2 years -

Wahab picked 35 Wickets at an average of 32.65.
Yadav picked 49 wickets at an average of 25.8.

I can say that Umesh bowled his heart out on Indian 350 par score battas and bla bla....but I know that won't be enough to prove Umesh a better bowler, so be it. Most debates on bowling in Pakpassion settle based on the nationality of the bowler, not performances.
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Come on man u can not honestly believe that umesh is better than wahab.This is in no way abt the nationality of the bowler in any pls dont use this excuse.If u would have said Shami is better i would have agreed but there is no way in hell umesh is better than Wahab just look at the overall records.The test record for umesh is appaling in every way,wat tailender wickets are u talking abt check the stats b/f making talking such rubbish.Dont make these excuses to get out of a debate pls
 
TheNightWatchman said:
lol It wasn't the horrible ones you usually find :P Just a discussion on cricket. He started to "move away from cricket" but I managed to focus his attention to the cricket
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Very rare to find such discussions on Youtube that don't talk about the family history :P
 
The average speed doesn't mean much as it doesn't account for slower balls.

Wahab Riaz bowls a lot of slower balls in comparison to other bowlers. Plus the fastest ball was by Wahab at 154kph meaning he has the potential to bowl fast and can bowl faster if he wants.
 
No_Username said:
The average speed doesn't mean much as it doesn't account for slower balls.

Wahab Riaz bowls a lot of slower balls in comparison to other bowlers. Plus the fastest ball was by Wahab at 154kph meaning he has the potential to bowl fast and can bowl faster if he wants.
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Does nt even matter Wahab is way better than Umesh as a bowler
 
Reverseswing97 said:
Come on man u can not honestly believe that umesh is better than wahab.This is in no way abt the nationality of the bowler in any pls dont use this excuse.If u would have said Shami is better i would have agreed but there is no way in hell umesh is better than Wahab just look at the overall records.The test record for umesh is appaling in every way,wat tailender wickets are u talking abt check the stats b/f making talking such rubbish.Dont make these excuses to get out of a debate pls
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I gave you last 2 year's numbers. Difference has been HUGE, even though Umesh has bowled on surfaces that are far far flatter.

If you still believe that Wahab has been a better bowler, then I'll have to call it bias.

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I leave the thread with this again.. Who the better ODI bowler is there to see. Conclude whatever you want from this.

Last 1 year -

Wahab picked 29 wickets, at an average of 26.34, ER 5.85
Yadav picked 37 wickets at an average of 21.59., ER 5.26

Last 2 years -

Wahab picked 35 Wickets at an average of 32.65.
Yadav picked 49 wickets at an average of 25.8.
 
Electron said:
I gave you last 2 year's numbers. Difference has been HUGE, even though Umesh has bowled on surfaces that are far far flatter.

If you still believe that Wahab has been a better bowler, then I'll have to call it bias.

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I leave the thread with this again.. Who the better ODI bowler is there to see. Conclude whatever you want from this.

Last 1 year -

Wahab picked 29 wickets, at an average of 26.34, ER 5.85
Yadav picked 37 wickets at an average of 21.59., ER 5.26

Last 2 years -

Wahab picked 35 Wickets at an average of 32.65.
Yadav picked 49 wickets at an average of 25.8.
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Stats aren't everything. Afridi had better stats than Brett Lee in 2011 but we all know who was the better bowler.

Plus Wahab's overall record is a lot better anyway.
 
No_Username said:
Stats aren't everything. Afridi had better stats than Brett Lee in 2011 but we all know who was the better bowler.

Plus Wahab's overall record is a lot better anyway.
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Can I say that Umesh has been a lot better in last 2 years, or would that too showcase my delusions?
 
Electron said:
Can I say that Umesh has been a lot better in last 2 years, or would that too showcase my delusions?
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Of course you can say that. Wahab has been poor since 2012 but he finally seems to have sorted himself out and doesn't seem like a spray gun anymore.
 
Aaron is a spray gun, Yadav is inconsisten and Shami is pretty decent. Wahab is better than all of them. Aamir should be too in sha Allah. Fit Irfan is on same level as the Indians.
 
No_Username said:
Of course you can say that. Wahab has been poor since 2012 but he finally seems to have sorted himself out and doesn't seem like a spray gun anymore.
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Thank you. That's the same point I was making about Umesh, he has been a different bowler for the last 2 years now, but not many have realized that.
 
Electron said:
I gave you last 2 year's numbers. Difference has been HUGE, even though Umesh has bowled on surfaces that are far far flatter.

If you still believe that Wahab has been a better bowler, then I'll have to call it bias.

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I leave the thread with this again.. Who the better ODI bowler is there to see. Conclude whatever you want from this.

Last 1 year -

Wahab picked 29 wickets, at an average of 26.34, ER 5.85
Yadav picked 37 wickets at an average of 21.59., ER 5.26

Last 2 years -

Wahab picked 35 Wickets at an average of 32.65.
Yadav picked 49 wickets at an average of 25.8.
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Umesh has bowled at flatter surfaces, incorrect in every way.Why are u only comparing just the last 2 years is above me.Wahab has been way better than yadav at this worldcup no matter wat u think and all ur so called facts regarding tailender wickets,econ of more than 6 have been proven wrong.The fact remains that in this world cup umesh has struggled against all decent sides as well as in the last 2 years with wickets against bangladesh have brought his avg and econ down while this wc wahab has helped succesfully defend sub par scores twice with terrible fielding support( 7 dropped sitters of his bowling this wc)and still has better overall career stats.Still if u want to believe Umesh is better thn watever helps u sleep at night.good riddance
 
I think the Indian ones are much faster , just look at this video and the pace they are bowling at. Thats a scary pace attack IMO.

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Electron said:
Starc, Milne and Aaron are three of the fastest today.

Morkel, MJ and Yadav bowl 143-144 kph average.

Wahab usually bowls average pace of around 138-140... but he did crank it up to 145kph against Australia, showing he can do it when he gives it his all.

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Wahab has the most interesting case among the bowlers above. His first 6-7 overs have him hovering around 137-140 kph, but the final three are bowled at 145+ average. So, that's quite an interesting observation.
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LOL you wish.

Fastest ball - 154.5 kph. Remember that, Sharma.

Average would be around 145.
 
Electron said:
More rubbish from you. I hope you can read numbers and realize where you are wrong.

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Excuses, Excuses and more excuses. The more I counter your point with facts and numbers, the more rubbish you come up with as counter argument.

Why 2 years..? Because you claimed that Umesh was a poor bowler and I said that he had improved vastly, and has proved to be a quality bowler in the last 2 years. You disagreed with that too, and so I threw the numbers out. I am sorry that those numbers showed Wahab averaging 32 with the ball, but you asked for them, so that's not my fault.


Any fast bowling discussion with you guys is like banging head against a brick wall. So pointless, I am out bhai. Good night.
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Only if u read my posts completely and realize how many times u have been wrong ur self quoting made up facts regarding wahab's bowling.Go read my posts again ull get ur answer hopefully and ull stop this rubbish
 
Electron said:
More rubbish from you. I hope you can read numbers and realize where you are wrong.

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Excuses, Excuses and more excuses. The more I counter your point with facts and numbers, the more rubbish you come up with as counter argument.

Why 2 years..? Because you claimed that Umesh was a poor bowler and I said that he had improved vastly, and has proved to be a quality bowler in the last 2 years. You disagreed with that too, and so I threw the numbers out. I am sorry that those numbers showed Wahab averaging 32 with the ball, but you asked for them, so that's not my fault.


Any fast bowling discussion with you guys is like banging head against a brick wall. So pointless, I am out bhai. Good night.
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i could nt read ur post completely now that i have i have to say the same read my posts carefully and ull realize how wrong u have been.btw i just asked for the stats for the last year just for the sake of it not to use it to deduce who the better bowler is using the stats of the last 2 years while wahab still has the better overall record.Every time u are proven wrong u just chose toignore those facts and come up with more rubbish.Any debate with u is utterly pointless b/c no matter how wrong u are proven u do not move from ur wrong preconcieved notions.Sry man i thought u were a sensible person but u have proved me wrong.
 
Professor said:
I think the Indian ones are much faster , just look at this video and the pace they are bowling at. Thats a scary pace attack IMO.

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this video sums this thread up perfectly.

Pace without skill or smarts is not so effective.

Are you guys seriously comparing Amir, Wahab, Rahat, Junaid Khan to Indian pacers?

As I said if any PakPassion Mod ever interviews Warner Maxwell Watson or any Australian cricketer just ask them which bowling attack was tougher to face in the World Cup and they'll say Pakistan. Then throw in the fact that this was Pakistan's 2nd string bowling attack and you have your answer.
 
Electron said:
More rubbish from you. I hope you can read numbers and realize where you are wrong.

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Excuses, Excuses and more excuses. The more I counter your point with facts and numbers, the more rubbish you come up with as counter argument.

Why 2 years..? Because you claimed that Umesh was a poor bowler and I said that he had improved vastly, and has proved to be a quality bowler in the last 2 years. You disagreed with that too, and so I threw the numbers out. I am sorry that those numbers showed Wahab averaging 32 with the ball, but you asked for them, so that's not my fault.


Any fast bowling discussion with you guys is like banging head against a brick wall. So pointless, I am out bhai. Good night.
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cause yadav's averages are any better. :)

http://www.espncricinfo.com/canada/content/player/376116.html
 
Syed1 said:
Average speed are not an accurate depiction of a pacers speed. Alot of them use slower balls and cutters to deceive the batsmen which will bring down their average speed.

The fact of the matter is Wahab Riaz bowled the fastest delivery of the WC and that doesn't happen by fluke. Yadav is a good pacy bowler but an average speed of 149 kph is Akhtar-esque and seems like wrong info..
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This, with the slower ball a staple for many pacers some bowling as many as 2 per over the avg speed is menangless.

I think the best way to know is look at the 50 fastest ball bowled in the WC and who ever has the most should be the fastest.
I think at the movement the top fastest bowlers from what I had seen in the WC are

Wahab
Starc
Yadev
Mline
Morkel
 
Anyone can bring any stats to prove that Wahab Riaz has been better than Yadav in ODIs in last 2 years?Or Junaid Khan better than Shami?
 
iafzal said:
This, with the slower ball a staple for many pacers some bowling as many as 2 per over the avg speed is menangless.

I think the best way to know is look at the 50 fastest ball bowled in the WC and who ever has the most should be the fastest.
I think at the movement the top fastest bowlers from what I had seen in the WC are

Wahab
Starc
Yadev
Mline
Morkel
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On avg speed Starc was by far the quickest.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Anyone can bring any stats to prove that Wahab Riaz has been better than Yadav in ODIs in last 2 years?Or Junaid Khan better than Shami?
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Junaid Khan way better than Shami. Unfortunately he was injured most of last year so no chance of last year comparison
 
When Indian bowlers can be considered good enough to defend below par scores, they can come and talk. There is a reason no one was talking much about the Indian bowling attack besides Indian fans themselves. And Umesh Yadav is an absolute junk of a bowler. Shami is the only half decent bowler you have sorry
 
TheNightWatchman said:
Junaid Khan way better than Shami. Unfortunately he was injured most of last year so no chance of last year comparison
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Are there any stats to prove that Junaid is better than Shami in ODIs?

The stats in ODIs say

Shami 87 wickets @24.89 and SR of 26.9

Junaid 75 wickets @25.9 and SR of 30.2

Dont know how you can say that Junaid is better than Shami in ODIs.
 
Usman Chadda said:
When Indian bowlers can be considered good enough to defend below par scores, they can come and talk. There is a reason no one was talking much about the Indian bowling attack besides Indian fans themselves. And Umesh Yadav is an absolute junk of a bowler. Shami is the only half decent bowler you have sorry
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Awwww.You got hurt?At this moment performance wise Indian fast bowlers are better than Pakistani ones.

Yadav and Shami>Junaid and Wahab in ODIs.Stats prove that.

And it is not anyone's fault that Indian batters more often than not score par or above par scores.
 
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