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Are Indian bowlers faster than Pakistani bowlers?

cricketjoshila said:
Awwww.You got hurt?At this moment performance wise Indian fast bowlers are better than Pakistani ones.

Yadav and Shami>Junaid and Wahab in ODIs.Stats prove that.

And it is not anyone's fault that Indian batters more often than not score par or above par scores.
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that's not true. Wahab was as good as Shami and better than Yadav in the World Cup. As I said Wahab is a big game player.

And Junaid's numbers are much much better than Yadav's. Just wait till Amir comes back.

I look at results and what actual cricketers think. Do you honestly believe the Aussies saw a greater bowling threat from the Indians in the WC than the Pakistanis?? Plus our bowling outperformed yours against the winners. I'll almost bet my house Watson/Clarke/any of them would much rather face the Indians than the Pakistanis while batting.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Are there any stats to prove that Junaid is better than Shami in ODIs?

The stats in ODIs say

Shami 87 wickets @24.89 and SR of 26.9

Junaid 75 wickets @25.9 and SR of 30.2

Dont know how you can say that Junaid is better than Shami in ODIs.
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these stats don't really prove that one is better than the other tbh

id say Junaid is far ahead in tests right now

in ODIs its a toss up.

but anyone who has watched both will know that Junaid is the more skillful bowler

Yadav I agree is better than both atm (haven't had a look at stats but from my reading)
 
Slog said:
these stats don't really prove that one is better than the other tbh

id say Junaid is far ahead in tests right now

in ODIs its a toss up.

but anyone who has watched both will know that Junaid is the more skillful bowler

Yadav I agree is better than both atm (haven't had a look at stats but from my reading)
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Here we go.Skills/Talent is not a measurable quantity hence we cannot quantify who has more,Junaid or Shami.

Yes in Tests Junaid till now have been better but in ODIs Shami has been better.
 
Slog said:
these stats don't really prove that one is better than the other tbh

id say Junaid is far ahead in tests right now

in ODIs its a toss up.

but anyone who has watched both will know that Junaid is the more skillful bowler

Yadav I agree is better than both atm (haven't had a look at stats but from my reading)
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LOL no
 
AmirFutureWasim said:
that's not true. Wahab was as good as Shami and better than Yadav in the World Cup. As I said Wahab is a big game player.

And Junaid's numbers are much much better than Yadav's. Just wait till Amir comes back.

I look at results and what actual cricketers think. Do you honestly believe the Aussies saw a greater bowling threat from the Indians in the WC than the Pakistanis?? Plus our bowling outperformed yours against the winners. I'll almost bet my house Watson/Clarke/any of them would much rather face the Indians than the Pakistanis while batting.
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weak logic. Windies ate our bowling alive by that token but flopped against india's bowling. how do you explain that

secondly both our bowling were weak against Aussies

Wahab bowled one good spell and troubled ONE batsman. Smith on the other end was comfortable and there is nothing to suggest that others would have struggled like Watson. Watson has an obvious weakness against the short ball which Wahab exploited well

I don't think india's bowling was much better than ours but its not poor like yo uare making it sound

the only leg up our bowling had and which is why I might choose it over india's is that India's bowling wasn't put under any proper pressure till Aus match (against SA, ABDV was going well but ran himself out so they weren't fully tested then either) and when they did they didn't perform that great.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Here we go.Skills/Talent is not a measurable quantity hence we cannot quantify who has more,Junaid or Shami.

Yes in Tests Junaid till now have been better but in ODIs Shami has been better.
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would you agree that Junaid is far better than tests

but both are relatively equal in ODI's? because that's what the odi stats suggest. diff is marginal esp at this relatively early stage of their careers
 
Slog said:
weak logic. Windies ate our bowling alive by that token but flopped against india's bowling. how do you explain that

secondly both our bowling were weak against Aussies

Wahab bowled one good spell and troubled ONE batsman. Smith on the other end was comfortable and there is nothing to suggest that others would have struggled like Watson. Watson has an obvious weakness against the short ball which Wahab exploited well

I don't think india's bowling was much better than ours but its not poor like yo uare making it sound

the only leg up our bowling had and which is why I might choose it over india's is that India's bowling wasn't put under any proper pressure till Aus match (against SA, ABDV was going well but ran himself out so they weren't fully tested then either) and when they did they didn't perform that great.
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Cant be more wrong can u
 
And PS:

Skill is measurable. Talent isn't but skill is. theres a difference

Junaid has a better Yorker, better reverse swing ability and movement through the air among other things

Shami's strengths ensure that he will do well in ODIs long term maybe but never crack it in tests
 
that's not true. Wahab was as good as Shami and better than Yadav in the World Cup. As I said Wahab is a big game player.
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No.Shami and Yadav had more wickets at a better Avg,SR and Econ.
And Junaid's numbers are much much better than Yadav's. Just wait till Amir comes back.
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I am comparing Junaid with Shami and Yadav with Riaz.

I look at results and what actual cricketers think. Do you honestly believe the Aussies saw a greater bowling threat from the Indians in the WC than the Pakistanis?? Plus our bowling outperformed yours against the winners. I'll almost bet my house Watson/Clarke/any of them would much rather face the Indians than the Pakistanis while batting.
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The result was that both India and Pakistan got beaten by Australia.And let aussies decide what they saw in which bowling.There was a WC where Shami and Yadav were among the top 5 wicket takers.And had better stats than Wahab Riaz or any Pakistani bowler.

Pakistan beat just 1 non minnow in the WC.India beat 3.
 
Slog said:
weak logic. Windies ate our bowling alive by that token but flopped against india's bowling. how do you explain that

secondly both our bowling were weak against Aussies

Wahab bowled one good spell and troubled ONE batsman. Smith on the other end was comfortable and there is nothing to suggest that others would have struggled like Watson. Watson has an obvious weakness against the short ball which Wahab exploited well

I don't think india's bowling was much better than ours but its not poor like yo uare making it sound

the only leg up our bowling had and which is why I might choose it over india's is that India's bowling wasn't put under any proper pressure till Aus match (against SA, ABDV was going well but ran himself out so they weren't fully tested then either) and when they did they didn't perform that great.
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no the logic isn't weak.

The Windies match you forgot how many catches we dropped. And against the Aussies didn't we have them like 4 wickets down for like 70 runs?? Then you factor in the drop catch of Watson and of Glenn Maxwell our bowling with competent fielding would have the score at 100-6.

I watched the India game the bowling was nothing to the Aussies and they rekt them. Why doesn't any mod interview any international batsman and you will have your answer. Quite easily.
 
Slog said:
would you agree that Junaid is far better than tests

but both are relatively equal in ODI's? because that's what the odi stats suggest. diff is marginal esp at this relatively early stage of their careers
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Tests Junaid is better.

But ODIs Shami is better.
 
Slog said:
And PS:

Skill is measurable. Talent isn't but skill is. theres a difference

Junaid has a better Yorker, better reverse swing ability and movement through the air among other things

Shami's strengths ensure that he will do well in ODIs long term maybe but never crack it in tests
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Shami has equally good reverse swing ability if not more.But he hasnt played on SC wickets where the ball reverses.Check his performance againist WI in 2013 where he reversed the ball miles.

Shami hasnt played enough tests.He is only 24 and all but 2 of his tests are at home and he has had 18 months of non stop touring.
 
they bowled faster in the WC. and have been last few series. in general, much improved than ever before in pace bowling department. Remains to be seen, how they do post wc where they bowled well.
 
 
^ why do you keep bringing in amir

he hasn't played for 5 yrs lol

talk abt him when hes in the team
 
Are people really claiming Indian bowling is better than Pakistan?

Please, don't embarrass yourself.
 
No_Username said:
Are people really claiming Indian bowling is better than Pakistan?

Please, don't embarrass yourself.
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on the evidence of WC yes

better Ave, SR, # of wickets.

not sure abt overall economy
 
cricketjoshila said:
Shami has equally good reverse swing ability if not more.But he hasnt played on SC wickets where the ball reverses.Check his performance againist WI in 2013 where he reversed the ball miles.

Shami hasnt played enough tests.He is only 24 and all but 2 of his tests are at home and he has had 18 months of non stop touring.[/QUOT

Milessss eh ... hahaha whatever makes you guys happy.
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aslaisnomasla said:
cricketjoshila said:
Shami has equally good reverse swing ability if not more.But he hasnt played on SC wickets where the ball reverses.Check his performance againist WI in 2013 where he reversed the ball miles.

Shami hasnt played enough tests.He is only 24 and all but 2 of his tests are at home and he has had 18 months of non stop touring.[/QUOT

Milessss eh ... hahaha whatever makes you guys happy.
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As i said,check Youtube.
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i tried and came across ' shami king of reverse swing' hahaha , why boost so much... anyways shami uncle is a decent bowler nothing too special and I have a question a little off topic and didn want to create a thread for it, we make fun of afridi's age , what is shami's real age .. no way he looks 25 he's 30-31 forsure ..baldness is revealing it all.
 
Pace is only one thing, you got to have control. Indians do have some genuine pace bowlers but a long way to go before they learn to bowl well in longer format when playing away.
 
aslaisnomasla said:
i tried and came across ' shami king of reverse swing' hahaha , why boost so much... anyways shami uncle is a decent bowler nothing too special and I have a question a little off topic and didn want to create a thread for it, we make fun of afridi's age , what is shami's real age .. no way he looks 25 he's 30-31 forsure ..baldness is revealing it all.
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Now you have become age expert as well?Male pattern baldness is a genetic thing.So go ahead and make a thread.

If Shami is decent and still has better ODI stats than any current Pak fast bowler,what does that make Pakistani bowlers?
 
aslaisnomasla said:
i tried and came across ' shami king of reverse swing' hahaha , why boost so much... anyways shami uncle is a decent bowler nothing too special and I have a question a little off topic and didn want to create a thread for it, we make fun of afridi's age , what is shami's real age .. no way he looks 25 he's 30-31 forsure ..baldness is revealing it all.
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Thats my question to. Lol I mean I am 25 and I don't look like that.
 
Well, from the ones that played in the World Cup:

- Riaz is quicker than Yadav. Both can bowl at around 145 kph consistently but Riaz can bowl upwards of 155 kph when he wants to while Yadav's peak is in the 150-152 kph range.

- Irfan is quicker than Shami. The giant bowls at around 145 kph in his opening spell and around the high 130's in his latter spells, which is the speed at which Shami generally bowls at.

- Rahat, apart from a few deliveries was on par with Sohail Khan and Mohit Sharma.

From the ones that didn't play:

- Junaid is quicker than Bhuveshnar Kumar, no need to explain this one.

- Aaron Varun is plenty quick, I'd say he's on par with Riaz and clearly faster than the Gul-dozer. Not sure how Sami is doing but I doubt he's still as quick as he was before.

- Amir is also a genuine fast bowler and quicker than most Indian bowlers.

So in reply to the OP, the Indians have definitely improved in the speed department with their best (Varun) possibly on par with the best of Pakistan (Riaz) but apart from him, they are generally slower than their Pakistani counterparts.

Ofcourse, speed alone means zilch so Aaron Varun might be a speed-demon but what is that use if he is't good enough to be in the Indian team?
 
cricketjoshila said:
Are there any stats to prove that Junaid is better than Shami in ODIs?

The stats in ODIs say

Shami 87 wickets @24.89 and SR of 26.9

Junaid 75 wickets @25.9 and SR of 30.2

Dont know how you can say that Junaid is better than Shami in ODIs.
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Junaid Khan's 2014 hurt his stats and both these guy's sample size are way too low to compare average and SR. Junaid was the leading fast bowling wicket taker in 2013 with 50+ wickets...no fast bowler has come close to that in the past 5 years.
Also I never mentioned ODIs specifically. Overall Junaid is a more complete bowler in the test format where as Shami is too ordinary there. You also need to take into account Shami played in England Australia and South Africa in the last year. Junaid played only in South Africa 2 matches...bowling the rest on flat pitches of Sri Lanka and UAE
 
TheNightWatchman said:
So I was having this argument with this guy on youtube who was saying India has faster bowlers :kapil than Pakistan. Ofcourse I was shocked to hear that. He was saying Yadav and Aaron bowl 145 ks + consistently meanwhile Junaid reaches 142 ks on average. Then he said Yadav had 149 ks average speed in the WC which was apparently second highest in this WC and Riaz not even in the top 5. (Shami was number 5 with average of 141 ks). Are his arguments true...or are Yadav and Shami inconsistent with their speeds.

I know Yadav is a horrible bowler and he's listed as fast medium on cricinfo and so is Shami.
Meanwhile Junaid, Irfan and Riaz are all listed as fastd

So is it true? Are Indian bowlers really faster than Pakistanis?
Obviously Pakistani fast bowlers are a million times better skillwise :junaid but do India finally have faster bowlers than Pakistan??
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I was also thinking so for the few days. The days have virtually gone when one didn't even think of more fast and furious Indian bowler than a Pakistani. And now even our Rubel and Taskin are faster than some Pakistani packers
 
I honestly think Yadav can go up much more if he increases his run up, he reminds me of the old Mitch Johnson who had a short run up.
 
Bilal7 said:
Well, from the ones that played in the World Cup:

- Riaz is quicker than Yadav. Both can bowl at around 145 kph consistently but Riaz can bowl upwards of 155 kph when he wants to while Yadav's peak is in the 150-152 kph range.

- Irfan is quicker than Shami. The giant bowls at around 145 kph in his opening spell and around the high 130's in his latter spells, which is the speed at which Shami generally bowls at.

- Rahat, apart from a few deliveries was on par with Sohail Khan and Mohit Sharma.

From the ones that didn't play:

- Junaid is quicker than Bhuveshnar Kumar, no need to explain this one.

- Aaron Varun is plenty quick, I'd say he's on par with Riaz and clearly faster than the Gul-dozer. Not sure how Sami is doing but I doubt he's still as quick as he was before.

- Amir is also a genuine fast bowler and quicker than most Indian bowlers.

So in reply to the OP, the Indians have definitely improved in the speed department with their best (Varun) possibly on par with the best of Pakistan (Riaz) but apart from him, they are generally slower than their Pakistani counterparts.

Ofcourse, speed alone means zilch so Aaron Varun might be a speed-demon but what is that use if he is't good enough to be in the Indian team?
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Very good post. TBH this speed gun race is rather cringeworthy. There is no point of bowling at 150ks
and gloat about it, if the opposition's batsman smash you every time. To me it is similar to trundling.

one doesn't need to check the speed gun to know if someone is bowling fast or not. The batsman face should reveal that. Those who saw the clueless face watson , knew that wahab was bowling express fast. No need of speed gun to confirm that.

Now Bhatti too clocked 148ks against NZ in an ODI series just before the world cup. But in that case it was hard to believe the speed gun, given the pummeling he got.

Now wahab and Bhatti are two pakistan speedsters who could bowl 145ks+ But for one you have to
check the speed gun to confirm that he is bowling fast, and for the other you dont need to!
 
Enforcer said:
Very good post. TBH this speed gun race is rather cringeworthy. There is no point of bowling at 150ks
and gloat about it, if the opposition's batsman smash you every time. To me it is similar to trundling.

one doesn't need to check the speed gun to know if someone is bowling fast or not. The batsman face should reveal that. Those who saw the clueless face watson , knew that wahab was bowling express fast. No need of speed gun to confirm that.

Now Bhatti too clocked 148ks against NZ in an ODI series just before the world cup. But in that case it was hard to believe the speed gun, given the pummeling he got.

Now wahab and Bhatti are two pakistan speedsters who could bowl 145ks+ But for one you have to
check the speed gun to confirm that he is bowling fast, and for the other you dont need to!
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Great example about Riaz and Bhatti.
 
Mainul said:
I was also thinking so for the few days. The days have virtually gone when one didn't even think of more fast and furious Indian bowler than a Pakistani. And now even our Rubel and Taskin are faster than some Pakistani packers
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yeah exactly............after mustafa kamal you are the only one who have dare to reveal truth.....WC 2015 was yours with those rubels & taskins
 
Mainul said:
I was also thinking so for the few days. The days have virtually gone when one didn't even think of more fast and furious Indian bowler than a Pakistani. And now even our Rubel and Taskin are faster than some Pakistani packers
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*2nd string pakistani pacers
 
mithun_minhas said:
Aaron is the fastest pacer in the SC right now.

Wahab/Yadav can both bowl 145k easily and can crank it up to 150k's when needed.

Junaid is a 135-140k. Much like Ishant.
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Whats the point of being the fastest when u r rubbish ...aaron is a club level bowler
 
Slog said:
on the evidence of WC yes

better Ave, SR, # of wickets.

not sure abt overall economy
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What? India bowled out 3 of the worst batting test teams. Pak WI and Bang. Thats not something really to be proud of. Just a month prior they were getting smashed by England and Aus for 300+ in the tri series and then the same thing happened in the semi
 
cricketjoshila said:
Shami has equally good reverse swing ability if not more.But he hasnt played on SC wickets where the ball reverses.Check his performance againist WI in 2013 where he reversed the ball miles.

Shami hasnt played enough tests.He is only 24 and all but 2 of his tests are at home and he has had 18 months of non stop touring.
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You lost credibility as soon as you said Shami has better reverse swing.
Also you need to know most of Shami's wickets are due to batting collapses in the second innings of ODIs when chasing down mammoth scores of 300+...no skill there
Also Shami has bowled ODIs in England, Aus, NewZealand, South Africa all in the past year.
Where as Junaid has suffered on the tracks of UAE and Sri Lanka for so long (yet still managing to have a better test average..thats because he has more skill)
 
TheNightWatchman said:
You lost credibility as soon as you said Shami has better reverse swing.
Also you need to know most of Shami's wickets are due to batting collapses in the second innings of ODIs when chasing down mammoth scores of 300+...no skill there
Also Shami has bowled ODIs in England, Aus, NewZealand, South Africa all in the past year.
Where as Junaid has suffered on the tracks of UAE and Sri Lanka for so long (yet still managing to have a better test average..thats because he has more skill)
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There was no point of starting a thread and asking people question when all you were going to do was bleed green. :chacha

Some of your arguments are so pathetic. There are no flatter ODI tracks in Asia than Indian ones, and yet Shami boasts of a World Class record.

Wahab averages 30+ in both formats for a reason.

You are full of crap.
 
Electron said:
There are no flatter ODI tracks in Asia than Indian ones, and yet Shami boasts of a World Class record.
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Sanjay Manjekar disagrees with ur conclusion.He has said on record that the ones in the UAE are the flattest in the world devoid of any seam or spin.
 
Speed wise the two teams have bowlers who can match each other. But I am not yet buying into the theory that says Indian bowlers are better. Indian bowlers need to win some test matches away from India to convince me that they are really good bowlers. Umesh, Aaron, Shami, Ishant all have speed - they are sometimes good in ODIs but often look toothless in test matches. They need to prove their talent by winning test matches outside home.
 
TheNightWatchman said:
Also you need to know most of Shami's wickets are due to batting collapses in the second innings of ODIs when chasing down mammoth scores of 300 ...no skill there
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Is written somewhere that not a single indian bowler can be better than Pakistani bowler or not a single pakistani batsman can be better than an indian batsman? The way some of you indian and pakistani fans defend your players is just pathetic. What kind of childish reasoning is this that shami gets wicket because of mammoth totals and he has no skill. Come up with something logical otherwise you too will lose your credibility.
 
Reverseswing97 said:
Sanjay Manjekar disagrees with ur conclusion.He has said on record that the ones in the UAE are the flattest in the world devoid of any seam or spin.
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How about you trust your own brain to Sanjay's? ODI scores in India are 350 par, has to be for a reason.. isn't it?
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Is written somewhere that not a single indian bowler can be better than Pakistani bowler or not a single pakistani batsman can be better than an indian batsman? The way some of you indian and pakistani fans defend your players is just pathetic. What kind of childish reasoning is this that shami gets wicket because of mammoth totals and he has no skill. Come up with something logical otherwise you too will lose your credibility.
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Shami is better than Wahab,no denying that.Umesh is'nt
 
Electron said:
There was no point of starting a thread and asking people question when all you were going to do was bleed green. :chacha

Some of your arguments are so pathetic. There are no flatter ODI tracks in Asia than Indian ones, and yet Shami boasts of a World Class record.

Wahab averages 30+ in both formats for a reason.

You are full of crap.
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Didn't Junaid run throught the Indian batting line up IN India??
Also junaid has an average of 19 in the UAE..I'm pretty sure its not that easy to bowl on those flat pitches either
Also Junaid has a better ODI bowling average than Shami away from home.
Let alone test where Junaid blows Shami out of the water. Tell me more about how my arguments are crap
Given the chance Junaid would be way more successful if he bowled in those conditions of Aus and NZ more
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Is written somewhere that not a single indian bowler can be better than Pakistani bowler or not a single pakistani batsman can be better than an indian batsman? The way some of you indian and pakistani fans defend your players is just pathetic. What kind of childish reasoning is this that shami gets wicket because of mammoth totals and he has no skill. Come up with something logical otherwise you too will lose your credibility.
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I never said that...Shami is better than most Pakistani fast bowlers today but my point is I've never seen application of his skill. In this worldcup he was pretty lucky to defend 300+ targets. When the time came for him to limit quality opposition in the first innings he wasn't as succesful
 
TheNightWatchman said:
Didn't Junaid run throught the Indian batting line up IN India??
Also junaid has an average of 19 in the UAE..I'm pretty sure its not that easy to bowl on those flat pitches either
Also Junaid has a better ODI bowling average than Shami away from home.
Let alone test where Junaid blows Shami out of the water. Tell me more about how my arguments are crap
Given the chance Junaid would be way more successful if he bowled in those conditions of Aus and NZ more
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Did you see those pitches?

Do you believe this is how Indian pitches behave or have behaved before or since then?

Shami is easily the best ODI bowler from Asia today. The way you are discrediting each and every single achievement of him with childish and totally biased arguments is so pathetic. You want to question his Test Cricket ability.. sure , go ahead, I am no fan of his Test bowling either. But atleast be balanced with your response.
 
Electron said:
How about you trust your own brain to Sanjay's? ODI scores in India are 350 par, has to be for a reason.. isn't it?
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So u know better than him :yk.The reason is India's batting more than anything and the low scores in the UAE b/c of Pakistan's batting.Just look at the Pitches in the UAE.Abu dhabi and Sharjah offer no assistance to either spinners or fast bowlers,no swing in the air too.U would have known that if u watched any of the matches.In India when has 350 been chased except for the Aussie series
 
Reverseswing97 said:
So u know better than him :yk.The reason is India's batting more than anything and the low scores in the UAE b/c of Pakistan's batting.Just look at the Pitches in the UAE.Abu dhabi and Sharjah offer no assistance to either spinners or fast bowlers,no swing in the air too.U would have known that if u watched any of the matches.In India when has 350 been chased except for the Aussie series
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You could start a thread on this, and I am quite sure that popular opinion will be that India pitches are way flatter. But whatever.. if you want to stick with Sanjaya's view, so be it.. doesn't concern me.
 
Electron said:
You could start a thread on this, and I am quite sure that popular opinion will be that India pitches are way flatter. But whatever.. if you want to stick with Sanjaya's view, so be it.. doesn't concern me.
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Popular opinion does not change the facts.Popular opinion would be that Indian wickets are flatter just to take away from the acheivements of Kohli and Co.The fact is that Junaid has performed at the same flat wickets as Shami.For a comparision See how Junaid has bowled in SA compared to Shami
 
Reverseswing97 said:
Popular opinion does not change the facts.Popular opinion would be that Indian wickets are flatter just to take away from the acheivements of Kohli and Co.The fact is that Junaid has performed at the same flat wickets as Shami.For a comparision See how Junaid has bowled in SA compared to Shami
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Ok.
 
Electron said:
Did you see those pitches?

Do you believe this is how Indian pitches behave or have behaved before or since then?

Shami is easily the best ODI bowler from Asia today. The way you are discrediting each and every single achievement of him with childish and totally biased arguments is so pathetic. You want to question his Test Cricket ability.. sure , go ahead, I am no fan of his Test bowling either. But atleast be balanced with your response.
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Not discrediting him At all. I never said he wasn't a good ODI bowler...but it still doesn't take away from the fact he's had numerous more opportunities than Junaid Khan. Shami's also been more protected by his batting lineup. How many times have we seen Junaid defend a score under 230. Numerous. This is what I'm saying. Shami never had the opportunity to show his skills except in test cricket in which he didn't convince me. He has yet to provide a convincing performance or game changing spell in any format of the game too. Whenever faced against quality opposition I have never seen Shami step up to the plate. If he had a lot of skill he would have.
 
Shami and umesh both have terrific reverse swing skills. They are unfortunate that they played most of their test matches abroad. Shami is not that good with new ball and in conditions which aid swing. He loves dead and abrasive wicket like a typical asian fast
bowlers. I think his reverse swinging skills is as good as junaid, just that he didn't got much opportunities to show it. In upcoming matches he will definitely prove it.
 
Electron said:
Rattling stumps when tailenders try to slog is not that big a deal.
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Actually, it's an enormous deal. As India found out when :mj thrashed them around at the end. You need to get people out in the death overs, it doesn't matter if you're bowling to Bradman or a current international number XI, they can all hit sixes and fours with ease.
 
Electron said:
Starc, Milne and Aaron are three of the fastest today.

Morkel, MJ and Yadav bowl 143-144 kph average.

Wahab usually bowls average pace of around 138-140... but he did crank it up to 145kph against Australia, showing he can do it when he gives it his all.

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Wahab has the most interesting case among the bowlers above. His first 6-7 overs have him hovering around 137-140 kph, but the final three are bowled at 145+ average. So, that's quite an interesting observation.
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and you forgot 154.4 ?
 
TheNightWatchman said:
Haha Shami has played just 3 matches in Saffa. Are you gonna judge on that sample size? If thats the case
Junaid Average in India 12
Shami Average in India 25
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You said for a comparison check their stats in south africa so i did now your arguing sample size. ....
 
Electron said:
Did you see those pitches?

Do you believe this is how Indian pitches behave or have behaved before or since then?

Shami is easily the best ODI bowler from Asia today. The way you are discrediting each and every single achievement of him with childish and totally biased arguments is so pathetic. You want to question his Test Cricket ability.. sure , go ahead, I am no fan of his Test bowling either. But atleast be balanced with your response.
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yes i will agree, Shami is currently the better and consistent wicket taker from Asia today. no doubt about that, and person who will challenge it i think need to revise his info
 
TheNightWatchman said:
You lost credibility as soon as you said Shami has better reverse swing.
Also you need to know most of Shami's wickets are due to batting collapses in the second innings of ODIs when chasing down mammoth scores of 300+...no skill there
Also Shami has bowled ODIs in England, Aus, NewZealand, South Africa all in the past year.
Where as Junaid has suffered on the tracks of UAE and Sri Lanka for so long (yet still managing to have a better test average..thats because he has more skill)
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I dont know about mine but whatever little credibility you had in your 146 posts is gone.

Shami bowled to players who are better players of Fast Bowling,like the Aussies and SA in their home.While Junaid did well in his own home conditions,conditions he grew up bowling in.
 
daindian said:
Junaid in Safa 7 wickets at 29
Shami in Safa 9 wickets at 20
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Junaid econ 5 and Shami 6.6 u forgot to mention that huh?India gave away more than 300 twice in that series once on green track while Pak conceded 300 once in 5 matches puts some context to those wickets
 
Pantani said:
Actually, it's an enormous deal. As India found out when :mj thrashed them around at the end. You need to get people out in the death overs, it doesn't matter if you're bowling to Bradman or a current international number XI, they can all hit sixes and fours with ease.
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No man he's wrong since Wahab has only 4 tailender wickets out of 16.
 
Really...Is UAE his home? Thats a first. This guy doesn't even play international cricket in Pakistan. Also you would know UAE pitches are only good for spin bowling. Junaid has an average of 19 over there. What about Shami's home conditions. The grounds he grew up playing in and an average of 25
 
stupid question. Pakistani bowlers have always been faster and more effective. When Amir comes back and is up and running, he will clock 150+ deliveries for sure. Wahab is already fast, then we have Irfan clocking 142-145 regularly.
 
These threads indicate that this has been a sore point for Indian cricket fans for some time. Too much mocking of Indian phaaast bowling seems to have affected the psyche badly over the years. Hopefully the current bunch of Indian quicks will soothe the pain.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
These threads indicate that this has been a sore point for Indian cricket fans for some time. Too much mocking of Indian phaaast bowling seems to have affected the psyche badly over the years. Hopefully the current bunch of Indian quicks will soothe the pain.
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Sure seems like it, looking at the way some of them are behaving. I pity dem fools. :danish
 
Commander said:
stupid question. Pakistani bowlers have always been faster and more effective. When Amir comes back and is up and running, he will clock 150+ deliveries for sure. Wahab is already fast, then we have Irfan clocking 142-145 regularly.
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your really think a player who has been away from the game for 5 years will start clocking 150+. Personally I think that he wont be as effective, and it will take at least a year or so for him to get back to anything near his old self
 
Commander said:
stupid question. Pakistani bowlers have always been faster and more effective. When Amir comes back and is up and running, he will clock 150+ deliveries for sure. Wahab is already fast, then we have Irfan clocking 142-145 regularly.
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I think it's a pretty genuine question...Wahab bowls the fastest but Yadav bowls faster than Irfan atleast dor longer periods of time. Irfan starts of with 147 ks and ends up 136 by his 10th over. Shami is as fast if not slightly faster than Junaid
 
daindian said:
your really think a player who has been away from the game for 5 years will start clocking 150+. Personally I think that he wont be as effective, and it will take at least a year or so for him to get back to anything near his old self
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The way he's bowling in domestic says otherwise. I know its not first class but he's ripping through the teams. It's still pretty difficult to comeback to competitive cricket after 5 years no matter who you are. And I heard he's bowling more than 140ks regularly..so thats a good sign
 
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