Are Pakistan desperate to play cricket with India?

[UzmanBeast]

Pakistan has only touched the surface of the revenue it is capable of generating. It took two decades for a Cricket Board to pay any attention to a revenue stream like merchandising.

Side Note: PCB has entered into a few really good partnerships of late.

Hopefully, there are more to follow.

I think we need to increase the salaries of our cricketers; despite being the fourth richest board, our players are perhaps the lowest paid.

Of course, this should happen after investments are made to the grass-root structure.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Pakistan is not desperate.Pakistan cricket suffered because it couldn’t play at home.It was playing in UAE in empty stadiums.I hope Pakistan doesn’t play India again at least not in my lifetime.

 

[Walawalkar]

Pakistan have tremendous potential to become the second richest board in World cricket n that to without any dependency on BCCI...

 

[cricketjoshila]

Pakistan has only touched the surface of the revenue it is capable of generating. It took two decades for a Cricket Board to pay any attention to a revenue stream like merchandising.

Side Note: PCB has entered into a few really good partnerships of late.

Majority of the revenues for a board is via broadcast deals. PCB has projected a revenue of 200mn usd and will have to share it with PTV.

PSL telecast deal's exact value is unknown.

BCCI's broadcast deal is worth 3.5bn, ECB's 1.2 bn approx and CA's 900mn. Add to this Sponsors Tickets Merchandise etc and PCB is nowhere near.

So despite some posters suggesting that PCB can become the 2nd richest board, it is too far fetched a possibility.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Pakistan have tremendous potential to become the second richest board in World cricket n that to without any dependency on BCCI...

Look up my post above this. How do you think pcb will do what you state it will?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

There are very few relevant teams today in International Cricket across all formats. If those relevant teams don't play each other than what should we make of International Cricket. It benefits Cricket as a Sport when Pakistan and India play. Absent of those matches the International Calendar is reduced to India vs Australia, India vs England, and England vs Australia. There was a time not long ago that series between South Africa and one these nations meant something. There decline makes them less viable as a marketable international team. Sans the T20 World Cup where West Indies best players participate, they are also not marketable. In all of this the biggest loser is Cricket.

I applaud the tact taken by the Pakistan Cricket Board vis a vis India. There is no reason for Pakistan to actively pursue cricket with India. Where we applaud the BCCI on improving Indian Cricket, we have to condemn them for diminishing International Cricket and reducing it to a few relevant competitions. The reason isn't so much the BCCI, but abject weakness in the face of the Indian Government.

The hypocrisy in all of this is the role or tacit role of the BCCI, the Indian Players, Sponsors, Broadcasters, and the ICC. Why is it that every two years when its time for an ICC Event, Pakistan and India always face off in the group stage? If in fact Pakistan is persona non-grata than surely the BCCI, Indian Players, Sponsors, and Star Sports has the power put India in a different group. They never exercise that power. Why? Because Star Sports has to justify the money they are paying to the ICC and they need to recuperate that money from advertisers. I think it's safe to say that India vs Pakistan generates a lot of free cash flow for Star while generating interest in ICC Events.

The story of India and Pakistan Cricket is simply a story about hypocrisy from one side. It is also a story of an entire society taken hostage by a culture of grotesque misinformation. To expect any dissent in such a society would require a degree of unmerited optimism.

Pakistan should genuinely refuse to play India unless it's in a knockout game of an ICC event.

I mean whats the worst that can happen? a few points docked. Statistically ( based on history) India are more likely to win anyway.

If Indians want to involve politics at every turn, then Pakistan should play this hand a couple of times.

 

[Rana]

ICC is usually quite desperate for India and Pakistan to play

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Majority of the revenues for a board is via broadcast deals. PCB has projected a revenue of 200mn usd and will have to share it with PTV.

PSL telecast deal's exact value is unknown.

BCCI's broadcast deal is worth 3.5bn, ECB's 1.2 bn approx and CA's 900mn. Add to this Sponsors Tickets Merchandise etc and PCB is nowhere near.

So despite some posters suggesting that PCB can become the 2nd richest board, it is too far fetched a possibility.

when your population grows like rabbits then obviously you have a larger pool of viewers. I mean, how hard is to comprehend?

 

[U$ofA]

I can understand that the last few days have not been the best for BCCI and IPL, but a few days of hardship shouldn’t lead to babies throwing their toys outside of the pram. This is why the new generation of IPL Indian fans are the softest in the world

Throwing toys out of the pram is nothing new. It has happened before and will happen again. What is surprising is the eagerness, over enthusiasm and willingness of the ICC and rest of the boards to jump over each other to put the toys back so it can be done all over again.

 

[Oneking]

Don’t think Pakistan is desperate, as PM Imran Khan made it very clear there can be no communication with Modi government.
As far as media is concerned, i think its a genuine question but the wording was wrong, question should have been “ will the new chairman have any intention of resolving the conflict “
Please Ask India media what’s there obsession with Pakistan they tend to talk more about Pakistan and Imran Khan then Pakistan media themselves

 

[unemployedgm]

I don’t think I suggested that Pakistan Cricket can compete economically with India. But within its own borders it has enough potential to generate revenue whereby it can be competitive on the field. Money is important, but it’s not the only thing in sports. Just ask India. Based simply on the size of its market and pool corporate sponsors, India should be a behemoth in sports. It’s not!!! Although India deserves credit for what it has built on the cricket front there is an element of decline in their success.

The existence of the IPL has diminished both County Cricket and Shield. As a result neither country is producing the type of all format talent it once did. India are better, but certainly they look far better than they actually are simply because the competition is so weak.

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

Watch how all the Bollywood A listers will be in the stadium for their own publicity in this match

And Pakistan is the one desperate to play against India lol

With that, i agree 100 pc bhai.
Our bolly filmwallahs are the second most shameless breed when it comes to publicity and money, with our politicians on the pole position.

Rahi baat match ki, I am looking fwd to india pak match in T20 WC.
My 5c worth, It's fairly even - T20 lottery and considering our propensity to have a slow start to most series/ tournaments and tendency to implode spectacularly, anything is possible.

 

[unemployedgm]

The likelihood is that India will win. They are than Pakistan in every way. They also have a huge psychological advantage. Over this past decade Pakistan has been feeble, especially when competing against India.

The one player that I do have faith in is Rizwan. There is a mental toughness about him that is missing in the others. He is someone who may be able to help Pakistan bat competently.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Interesting.

Pakistani players, in front of the world's greatest batsman (who was willing to answer their questions), asked the most trivial things.

Well reflected in our journalism through select journalist's questions.

Was this before or after the World Cup? If it were after, I think they might have been discussing how lazy our cricketers are, making comparisons, and more.

If they talked about bilateral more, then you could argue that they were desperate, but making comparisons doesn't really mean anything.

This was before the WC. Come to think of it, it was at the beginning of 2019 and Pakistan had won some series. I was surprised that that not discussing much about that on Pakistan's national broadcaster. I tune into Windies Cricket Channels to hear for West Indies, Sky Sports for England,Fox Cricket for Australian cricket news and so on.
But only on PTV i see more Indian cricket being discussed in depth as compared to Pakistan.

 

[Technics 1210]

India is desperate to avenge the humiliation they were handed in CT17.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

when your population grows like rabbits then obviously you have a larger pool of viewers. I mean, how hard is to comprehend?

Pakistan population growth rate is 1.98%(https://www.statista.com/statistics/268714/population-growth-of-pakistan-from-1990-to-2008/) between 2010 and 2020 as compared to India which is 0.99%.(https://www.statista.com/statistics/271308/population-growth-in-india/)

So, looks like Pakistanis are Rabit-ting around at twice the rate of the Indians.

 

[Rana]

India is desperate to avenge the humiliation they were handed in CT17.

That was a brutal beat down

 

[Junaids]

Majority of the revenues for a board is via broadcast deals. PCB has projected a revenue of 200mn usd and will have to share it with PTV.

PSL telecast deal's exact value is unknown.

BCCI's broadcast deal is worth 3.5bn, ECB's 1.2 bn approx and CA's 900mn. Add to this Sponsors Tickets Merchandise etc and PCB is nowhere near.

So despite some posters suggesting that PCB can become the 2nd richest board, it is too far fetched a possibility.

You continually tell us that the biggest financial payday for overseas Boards comes from hosting tours by India.

I'm going to ignore your domestic TV rights figures, as they obviously relate to multi-year periods of different duration. And their rights markets are nothing like as lucrative as what Indian TV will pay. To give you an example, the BCCI was shocked that it could not extract a large payment from an English TV broadcaster for this year's English tour of India, and they finally offloaded the rights at the last minute onto Channel 4 for a paltry $25 million.

So it is the sales of TV rights for tours by India which generate the most revenue for foreign cricket Boards.

We know that the Indian tour of Australia ten months ago bagged US$54 million in advertising sales for Sony Pictures Network, and was sold for $50 million, even though the matches started at dawn Indian time and were finished by early afternoon each day.

I think it is reasonable to assume that if India and Pakistan hosted one another in Tests every 4 years, the PCB would probably earn US$100 million from Indian TV sales the Tests alone, given that India would be playing a hated enemy and in a more lucrative time zone.

I assume too that India and Pakistan could easily host one another for 5 ODIs and 3 T20is each year, with each country hosting the other in one format every year.

That would probably deliver a further US$100 million per year to the PCB, so in every five year cycle they would be earning $500 million from Indian TV rights sales alone.

Now back to your earlier figures.

The Australian TV contract is $900 million. But that is A$900 million, which is US$655 million over 6 years. So it's $439 million over 4 years. The second biggest Cricket Australia contract is for the 4 yearly Indian tour, which we saw earlier sold for $50 million. The only other significant Cricket Australia broadcasting revenue is their contract with Britain's BT Sport, which sold for 80 million pounds for 6 years, which is US$109 million, or $73 million for 4 years.

So back to the Maths for Cricket Australia, over a 4 year cycle:

Domestic TV rights sale earns $439 million
Indian TV rights sale earns $50 million
UK TV rights sale earns $73 million.

That's a total of $562 million for 4 years, probably plus around $25 million for sales to the USA, NZ and South Africa. Let's say at most $600 million in a 4 year cycle.

But we have seen that if India and Pakistan were exchanging 4 yearly Test series and each hosting a T20i or ODI series each year, the PCB would earn $500 million from sales of those series alone in a 4 yearly cycle - before English and Australia and domestic sales are even counted into the equation.

That's why the PCB is currently in such an artificially weakened economic state. They are only poorer than Cricket Australia because they don't get to play bilateral series v India.

 

[unemployedgm]

Great post.

 

[Savak]

You continually tell us that the biggest financial payday for overseas Boards comes from hosting tours by India.

I'm going to ignore your domestic TV rights figures, as they obviously relate to multi-year periods of different duration. And their rights markets are nothing like as lucrative as what Indian TV will pay. To give you an example, the BCCI was shocked that it could not extract a large payment from an English TV broadcaster for this year's English tour of India, and they finally offloaded the rights at the last minute onto Channel 4 for a paltry $25 million.

So it is the sales of TV rights for tours by India which generate the most revenue for foreign cricket Boards.

We know that the Indian tour of Australia ten months ago bagged US$54 million in advertising sales for Sony Pictures Network, and was sold for $50 million, even though the matches started at dawn Indian time and were finished by early afternoon each day.

I think it is reasonable to assume that if India and Pakistan hosted one another in Tests every 4 years, the PCB would probably earn US$100 million from Indian TV sales the Tests alone, given that India would be playing a hated enemy and in a more lucrative time zone.

I assume too that India and Pakistan could easily host one another for 5 ODIs and 3 T20is each year, with each country hosting the other in one format every year.

That would probably deliver a further US$100 million per year to the PCB, so in every five year cycle they would be earning $500 million from Indian TV rights sales alone.

Now back to your earlier figures.

The Australian TV contract is $900 million. But that is A$900 million, which is US$655 million over 6 years. So it's $439 million over 4 years. The second biggest Cricket Australia contract is for the 4 yearly Indian tour, which we saw earlier sold for $50 million. The only other significant Cricket Australia broadcasting revenue is their contract with Britain's BT Sport, which sold for 80 million pounds for 6 years, which is US$109 million, or $73 million for 4 years.

So back to the Maths for Cricket Australia, over a 4 year cycle:

Domestic TV rights sale earns $439 million
Indian TV rights sale earns $50 million
UK TV rights sale earns $73 million.

That's a total of $562 million for 4 years, probably plus around $25 million for sales to the USA, NZ and South Africa. Let's say at most $600 million in a 4 year cycle.

But we have seen that if India and Pakistan were exchanging 4 yearly Test series and each hosting a T20i or ODI series each year, the PCB would earn $500 million from sales of those series alone in a 4 yearly cycle - before English and Australia and domestic sales are even counted into the equation.

That's why the PCB is currently in such an artificially weakened economic state. They are only poorer than Cricket Australia because they don't get to play bilateral series v India.

Ramiz oversaw the first Indian tour of Pakistan in 2004, even though Pakistan lost the ODI series 3-2 and test series 2-1, the series was a success from a cricketing and overall ties pov and a financial bonanza for the PCB. The financial bonanza from that series and the one in 2006 is responsible for the PCB being number 4 in the ICC table today and that also after no international cricket in Pakistan for the last ten plus years and no tours by Australia, NZ, England for a good 15-20 years

 

[Itachi]

Funny that you are calling Pakistan desperate when India was also in the same boat few decades ago. We also wanted to play against big boys of World Cricket at that time. IPL revolves around desperation for more and more money.

India was desperate then.

Pakistan is desperate now.

I don't see what's there to argue with. When did I deny that India wasn't desperate in 90s?

 

[Mamoon]

India is desperate to avenge the humiliation they were handed in CT17.

That happened in the 2018 Asia Cup when India hammered Pakistan, in UAE, without Kohli, after Sarfraz claimed that India is afraid of playing Pakistan and Hassan claimed that he would take 10 wickets against India.

India proved, not once but twice, that the CT Final was a humongous fluke.

The epic thrashing in the 2019 World Cup was a cherry on top. Rohit Sharma smashing Pakistani bowlers all over Manchester with Sarfraz yawning. It was hysterical.

Between 2017 and 2019, the same set of Pakistani and Indian players played 5 ODIs.

India won 4 of those 5 ODIs.

The onus is actually on Pakistan to prove that the CT Final was not a fluke by winning at least two more matches against the same of of Indian players.

Unfortunately, they don’t have the talent, the skill or the mentality to pull it off. Our captain himself, our star batsman, is not good enough to score big against Indian bowlers.

 

[cricketjoshila]

when your population grows like rabbits then obviously you have a larger pool of viewers. I mean, how hard is to comprehend?

When your GDP is not growing and you have to live off bailouts,Inflation is high, Currency is depreciating the economic conditions are not favourable for big money deals, no matter how big the population is.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You continually tell us that the biggest financial payday for overseas Boards comes from hosting tours by India.

I'm going to ignore your domestic TV rights figures, as they obviously relate to multi-year periods of different duration. And their rights markets are nothing like as lucrative as what Indian TV will pay. To give you an example, the BCCI was shocked that it could not extract a large payment from an English TV broadcaster for this year's English tour of India, and they finally offloaded the rights at the last minute onto Channel 4 for a paltry $25 million.

So it is the sales of TV rights for tours by India which generate the most revenue for foreign cricket Boards.

We know that the Indian tour of Australia ten months ago bagged US$54 million in advertising sales for Sony Pictures Network, and was sold for $50 million, even though the matches started at dawn Indian time and were finished by early afternoon each day.

I think it is reasonable to assume that if India and Pakistan hosted one another in Tests every 4 years, the PCB would probably earn US$100 million from Indian TV sales the Tests alone, given that India would be playing a hated enemy and in a more lucrative time zone.

I assume too that India and Pakistan could easily host one another for 5 ODIs and 3 T20is each year, with each country hosting the other in one format every year.

That would probably deliver a further US$100 million per year to the PCB, so in every five year cycle they would be earning $500 million from Indian TV rights sales alone.

Now back to your earlier figures.

The Australian TV contract is $900 million. But that is A$900 million, which is US$655 million over 6 years. So it's $439 million over 4 years. The second biggest Cricket Australia contract is for the 4 yearly Indian tour, which we saw earlier sold for $50 million. The only other significant Cricket Australia broadcasting revenue is their contract with Britain's BT Sport, which sold for 80 million pounds for 6 years, which is US$109 million, or $73 million for 4 years.

So back to the Maths for Cricket Australia, over a 4 year cycle:

Domestic TV rights sale earns $439 million
Indian TV rights sale earns $50 million
UK TV rights sale earns $73 million.

That's a total of $562 million for 4 years, probably plus around $25 million for sales to the USA, NZ and South Africa. Let's say at most $600 million in a 4 year cycle.

But we have seen that if India and Pakistan were exchanging 4 yearly Test series and each hosting a T20i or ODI series each year, the PCB would earn $500 million from sales of those series alone in a 4 yearly cycle - before English and Australia and domestic sales are even counted into the equation.

That's why the PCB is currently in such an artificially weakened economic state. They are only poorer than Cricket Australia because they don't get to play bilateral series v India.

I don't say that India is the biggest pay day for a board. Almost every media says so.

You can ignore all you want, it won't change the facts.

First of all BCCI was not shocked as they were not selling the rights. The rights are with STAR and they wanted 27mn for the rights. They sold the test rights to channel 4 and LOI rights to SKY and according to your very own admission bagged $25mn.

CA's rights were sold for $1.182bn aud. Thats 800 to 900mn USD. Not 600mn. Please post a source for the $50 mn india deal.


PCB's last rights which included a provision of 2 India tours, was sold for 150mn. Even if i double that, its 300mn. And no India isn't going to Pakistan every year under any circumstance. India has its own international season plus IPL and then tours to SENA and other countries. So at best pakistan was looking at 300mn. Far lesser than the 800 to 900mn that CA earns without even including the money from India and UK broadcast rights.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

India? Considering latest events, PCB should be happy if anyone tours Pakistan now and PSL will be under threat. they will be desperate to play anyone this point onwards

 

[OMB]

Watch out . some of you are very close to getting banned

 

[MenInG]

When India and Pakistan were forged out of violent partition 75 years ago, the split also created one of sport’s greatest rivalries.

Today, any cricket match between the two nations is one of the most watched events on the global sporting calendar - and victory used to promote their respective nationalism.

So strong is the rivalry between the countries that they can’t even share the date of the partition which gave them independence, with Pakistan celebrating it on August 14 and India a day later.

“India playing Pakistan involves the sentiments of millions," said Wasim Akram, one of cricket’s all-time greats and now a commentator.

“You become a hero if you perform well… you are portrayed as a villain if your team loses," said the former Pakistan skipper.

Matches ignite great fervor but they have also defused military tensions between the two nations, which have fought four wars since independence from Britain in 1947.

During one period of sabre rattling in 1987, as troops massed along their frontier, Pakistan’s military ruler General Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq showed up unannounced in New Delhi — ostensibly to watch a match between the two.

The move, as crafty as any a cricket captain could conjure up on the field, led to a meeting with Indian Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi, and tensions eased.

Still, the on-field rivalry has spilled off the cricket pitch for now.

The neighbors have not played a Test since 2007, instead meeting only in the shorter versions of the game and at multi-team competitions on foreign soil, rather than head-to-head series at home.

When they do play — as they will at the Asia Cup later this month in the United Arab Emirates — cricket fans around the world are glued to their TV screens, a multibillion-dollar bonanza for broadcasters.

The 2019 50-over World Cup clash between India and Pakistan drew 273 million viewers, while 167 million watched them in last year’s Twenty20 World Cup.

“Nothing can match an Indo-Pakistan bilateral series because it is played in a different league," former prime minister and cricket captain Imran Khan, who led Pakistan to World Cup glory in 1992, said in a Sky Sports documentary.

“The atmosphere is filled with tension, pressure and enjoyment," he added.

Pakistan Cricket Board chief executive Faisal Hasnain called games against India the “mother of all cricket matches".

“Fans want these two countries to play each other on a regular basis but resumption is only likely when there is a thaw in relations. We can only wait and hope that happens," he told AFP.

Introduced to the sub-continent in the 18th century, cricket was played mostly by its white colonial rulers, but locals learned the game by being used as bowling or batting fodder in the practice nets.

India won Test status in 1932, but after partition most Muslim players — including three who had played for the national team — migrated to Pakistan, who had to build from scratch.

Pakistan’s first Test, appropriately, was against India, in 1952 — and they were led by Abdul Hafeez Kardar, one of the three double internationals.

Since then Pakistan and India have played 59 Tests, with Pakistan winning 12, India nine, and the rest drawn.

In ODIs Pakistan also have the edge, but India have won seven of their nine T20 encounters.

In the women’s game, India have won all 11 of their ODIs and 10 of their 12 Twenty20s since first meeting in 2005.

CricNext/AFP

 

[IMMY69]

Pakistan should stop playing cricket against India in ICC Tournaments and the Asia Cup.
I know this is not going to happen and money supersedes everything but there comes a time when you have to make a stand.

 

[MenInG]

Pakistan should stop playing cricket against India in ICC Tournaments and the Asia Cup.
I know this is not going to happen and money supersedes everything but there comes a time when you have to make a stand.

What will that stand get us? (Serious question)

 

[Rana]

What will that stand get us? (Serious question)

Serious response

Let’s see what happens for once

Personally I think it will be the end of the ICC and PCB. A new cricket world order will eventually form that is run by BCCI

 

[IMMY69]

What will that stand get us? (Serious question)

If things go pear shaped then 20 or 40 players will have to get part time jobs to sustain themselves.
The PCB will make losses.

But at least you make a stand just like when countries boycotted South Africa.
Where is the difference now? The discrimination was barely tolerable when it was just India and the IPL but when you buy teams in a different country and discriminate against players from another country thats where a line has to be drawn, surely?

To accept the status quo is like saying the people of Pakistan are bad, evil terrorists and want to harm India when everyone knows thats not the case.

 

[MenInG]

If things go pear shaped then 20 or 40 players will have to get part time jobs to sustain themselves.
The PCB will make losses.

But at least you make a stand just like when countries boycotted South Africa.
Where is the difference now? The discrimination was barely tolerable when it was just India and the IPL but when you buy teams in a different country and discriminate against players from another country thats where a line has to be drawn, surely?

To accept the status quo is like saying the people of Pakistan are bad, evil terrorists and want to harm India when everyone knows thats not the case.

Understood and well articulated - thanks.

 

[NishanKonar]

Pakistan should stop playing cricket against India in ICC Tournaments and the Asia Cup.
I know this is not going to happen and money supersedes everything but there comes a time when you have to make a stand.

Harsh truth. Such a foolish decision will destroy Pakistan cricket. Pakistan used to powerhouse in hockey and squash but today its a minnow in both sports

At least Pakistan has decent cricket team. Without ICC money - Pakistan cricket will become like ur hockey. Big ego and pride wont take you anywhere

 

[sweep_shot]

Del.

 

[Major]

If things go pear shaped then 20 or 40 players will have to get part time jobs to sustain themselves.
The PCB will make losses.

But at least you make a stand just like when countries boycotted South Africa.
Where is the difference now? The discrimination was barely tolerable when it was just India and the IPL but when you buy teams in a different country and discriminate against players from another country thats where a line has to be drawn, surely?

To accept the status quo is like saying the people of Pakistan are bad, evil terrorists and want to harm India when everyone knows thats not the case.

i actually agree. PCB can easily make a case of discrimination against BCCI and Indian govt. Its ridiculous how we get discriminated and yet our board does nothing.

 

[Rana]

Harsh truth. Such a foolish decision will destroy Pakistan cricket. Pakistan used to powerhouse in hockey and squash but today its a minnow in both sports

At least Pakistan has decent cricket team. Without ICC money - Pakistan cricket will become like ur hockey. Big ego and pride wont take you anywhere

Without the India v Pakistan class, ICC will become pointless too.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Without the India v Pakistan class, ICC will become pointless too.

India doesn't play pakistan. There are no pakistanis in IPL. Is the BCCI pointless?

If pakistan was such a big draw, why is its board not rich?

The draw is India .

 

[cricketjoshila]

i actually agree. PCB can easily make a case of discrimination against BCCI and Indian govt. Its ridiculous how we get discriminated and yet our board does nothing.

Case where?

Can Russians make that case against most western countries?

Can Israelis do it against a number of countries?

 

[Major]

Case where?

Can Russians make that case against most western countries?

Can Israelis do it against a number of countries?

You keep using the Russian example, the bloackade is against the Russian govt, Russian people(if they have SS) cannot be discriminated from not being hired for being Russian.

Israel is a different issue, its an issue of whether the country is recognized as a legal country or not. Recognition of a country and discrimination of a worker are two separate things which you are trying to make out as same.

 

[Rana]

India doesn't play pakistan. There are no pakistanis in IPL. Is the BCCI pointless?

If pakistan was such a big draw, why is its board not rich?

The draw is India .

If you of all people say so mate

 

[msb314]

What will that stand get us? (Serious question)

The future of cricket is T20 Franchise Leagues. The Asia Cup for sure will go away and possibly bilateral T20’s

Play the PSL 9 months a year (15-20 franchises across Pakistan..) with a few friendly T20 Internationals on occasion.

In World T20 - boycott game against India unless we play them in SF or Final.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You keep using the Russian example, the bloackade is against the Russian govt, Russian people(if they have SS) cannot be discriminated from not being hired for being Russian.

Israel is a different issue, its an issue of whether the country is recognized as a legal country or not. Recognition of a country and discrimination of a worker are two separate things which you are trying to make out as same.

Why is the Russian team banned from FIFA?

Why was Roman Abramovich thrown out of chelsea?

Why are assets of Russian individuals being frozen?

India and Pakistan are hostile nations. Hence Indian companies don't want to hire pakistanis.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The future of cricket is T20 Franchise Leagues. The Asia Cup for sure will go away and possibly bilateral T20’s

Play the PSL 9 months a year (15-20 franchises across Pakistan..) with a few friendly T20 Internationals on occasion.

In World T20 - boycott game against India unless we play them in SF or Final.

Will ICC pay PCB their share of money if they boycott matches in ICC events?

As per PCB a large part of their revenue is from the icc.

 

[nextover666666]

I see a lot of People mention Pakistani Media and Journals are being bad or horrible
But its KNOWN fact INDIAN media, journalist and even fans ( most ) not all are the worst

 

[NishanKonar]

Without the India v Pakistan class, ICC will become pointless too.

Not really. Indian audiences will happily watch India vs Australia or India vs England or India vs NZ. India vs Pakistan is cherry on the cake but the cake wud still exist without Pakistan

 

[zarak]

Saw the press conference of Ramiz Raja of 1 hour.
No less then 5 times he was asked about whether he will do any backdoor diplomacy to have a bilateral series with India.

In the same statement those journalists called India riwayati hareef(Enemy Country) and then asking for playing cricket.

Why ? As per Wasim Khan Pakistan cricket is thriving and they don't need India. So Why does this question keeps on coming back in Pakistan media.

My views on this are pretty consistent since the day I have joined the forum. So not repeating them here.

My guy after the T20 world cup match a prominent Indian channel did a special show discussing why Mohammad Rizwan was praying during the match. They even brought Mohammad Kaif as an expert to discuss this topic. Kept flaunting about how India is a secular nation etc..


People do weird things on both sides- No need to read much into it.

 

[nextover666666]

Not really. Indian audiences will happily watch India vs Australia or India vs England or India vs NZ. India vs Pakistan is cherry on the cake but the cake wud still exist without Pakistan

Your so funny, ask ANY INDIAN fan which match matters, and they will say India vs Pakistan is the most important match, its the highlight of their life or year when these 2 play.

 

[Major]

Why is the Russian team banned from FIFA?

Why was Roman Abramovich thrown out of chelsea?

Why are assets of Russian individuals being frozen?

India and Pakistan are hostile nations. Hence Indian companies don't want to hire pakistanis.

So you are saying that Pakistan invaded India?

Also the Russian boycott is not a singles govt decision. In crickets case, its only India that is discriminating against Pakistan.

Just admit India discriminates against Pakistan, you dont want to admit it

 

[Major]

A Pakistani player if he has a passport of UK can play, even though he was born and bred in Pakistan. But if he has a pakistani passport he cant play.

Thats textbook discrimination

 

[NishanKonar]

So you are saying that Pakistan invaded India?

Also the Russian boycott is not a singles govt decision. In crickets case, its only India that is discriminating against Pakistan.

Just admit India discriminates against Pakistan, you dont want to admit it

Every sovereign nation has right to decide if they don't want to do any business with another country. Like USA does not do with Cuba. Pakistan does not do with Israel. Similarly India does not do with Pakistan

Most Pakistanis are upset with India's actions but wud justify the same " discrimination " against Israel. The problem id most Indians look at Pakistan the same way Pakistan looks at Israel.

BTW Pakistan banned all trade with India in 2019. Is that discrimination ?

 

[Nikhil_cric]

So you are saying that Pakistan invaded India?

Also the Russian boycott is not a singles govt decision. In crickets case, its only India that is discriminating against Pakistan.

Just admit India discriminates against Pakistan, you dont want to admit it

What is there to admit? Your post is pretty much implying that Pakistanis are entitled to employment by Indian companies and in India?

You can only be discriminated against if you are entitled to something in the first place.

 

[Major]

Every sovereign nation has right to decide if they don't want to do any business with another country. Like USA does not do with Cuba. Pakistan does not do with Israel. Similarly India does not do with Pakistan

Most Pakistanis are upset with India's actions but wud justify the same " discrimination " against Israel. The problem id most Indians look at Pakistan the same way Pakistan looks at Israel.

BTW Pakistan banned all trade with India in 2019. Is that discrimination ?

you do know India recognizes Pakistan as a country. You really have no idea what you are saying and comparing apples to oranges.

 

[Major]

What is there to admit? Your post is pretty much implying that Pakistanis are entitled to employment by Indian companies and in India?

You can only be discriminated against if you are entitled to something in the first place.

if babar azam uses a uk passport he can play ipl, if he uses pakistani passport he cannot.

its not about entitlement, its about selectively targeting someone just because of their nationality here.

 

[NishanKonar]

you do know India recognizes Pakistan as a country. You really have no idea what you are saying and comparing apples to oranges.

There is barely any diplomatic contacts between India and Pakistan right now. Like no talks or trade relations for several years. The only reasons diplomatic missions exist in either country is to prevent any big conflagration due to misunderstanding. Which is fine given we are neighbors

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

India doesn't play pakistan. There are no pakistanis in IPL. Is the BCCI pointless?

If pakistan was such a big draw, why is its board not rich?

The draw is India .

Lol don't forget to watch Asia Cup and T20WC later this year. If you have time do watch that ad by Star Sports where they are calling it the greatest rivalry. May be they know a thing or two about what their viewers(minus you ofcourse) want to watch?

 

[cricketjoshila]

if babar azam uses a uk passport he can play ipl, if he uses pakistani passport he cannot.

its not about entitlement, its about selectively targeting someone just because of their nationality here.

UK is not hostile to India, Pakistan is.

 

[Hextro]

I don't see the problem with playing these guys occasionally. Yeah, the vast majority of these guys are annoying and downright unbearable at times but what can you do? Controlling over 1.4 billion people is an impossible task.

 

[zain41]

Saw the press conference of Ramiz Raja of 1 hour.
No less then 5 times he was asked about whether he will do any backdoor diplomacy to have a bilateral series with India.

In the same statement those journalists called India riwayati hareef(Enemy Country) and then asking for playing cricket.

Why ? As per Wasim Khan Pakistan cricket is thriving and they don't need India. So Why does this question keeps on coming back in Pakistan media.

My views on this are pretty consistent since the day I have joined the forum. So not repeating them here.

Rivayti hareef means arch rivals - not enemy

 

[Savak]

This sports boycott will have to be handled on a govt to govt level via peace talks.

 

[Mp812]

PCB tried to derail or rather sabotage IPL in 2009 by not issuing NOC to pakistani players. Their thinking was probably BCCI would come down on its knees.
PCB still paying for that misadventure even in 2022 as IPL grows and prospers and IPL team owners not risking unreliable Pakistani players unavailbilty\tantrums in their gameplans

 

[MenInG]

Discuss on cricketing terms only

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

PCB tried to derail or rather sabotage IPL in 2009 by not issuing NOC to pakistani players. Their thinking was probably BCCI would come down on its knees.
PCB still paying for that misadventure even in 2022 as IPL grows and prospers and IPL team owners not risking unreliable Pakistani players unavailbilty\tantrums in their gameplans

Why did BCCI invite Pakistan for 'Aane Do' series in 2012 then?

 

[Savak]

PCB tried to derail or rather sabotage IPL in 2009 by not issuing NOC to pakistani players. Their thinking was probably BCCI would come down on its knees.
PCB still paying for that misadventure even in 2022 as IPL grows and prospers and IPL team owners not risking unreliable Pakistani players unavailbilty\tantrums in their gameplans

It was the then Pakistani govt of the time. PCB had no choice but to follow orders.

 

[Kriketer]

Discuss on cricketing terms only

India plays dirty political card so Pakistan should abide by the same since they are mostly at the receiving end of petty politics, and that's all what I said in the deleted comment. In cricketing/sporting terms obviously they both should be playing against each other as barely a few countries play cricket, but there is no desperation. Series against India specially Test are usually a bore-fest. Until political issues get addressed and there's total peace in disputed region, we shouldn't consider it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

India plays dirty political card so Pakistan should abide by the same since they are mostly at the receiving end of petty politics, and that's all what I said in the deleted comment. In cricketing/sporting terms obviously they both should be playing against each other as barely a few countries play cricket, but there is no desperation. Series against India specially Test are usually a bore-fest. Until political issues get addressed and there's total peace in disputed region, we shouldn't consider it.

Why did pakistan cancel the series in India in 1990 and 1993?

Why did pakistan refuse to come to India for the 1990 Asia Cup?

 

[IMMY69]

Why did pakistan cancel the series in India in 1990 and 1993?

Why did pakistan refuse to come to India for the 1990 Asia Cup?

How long shall we go back?
Why not live in the moment?

Also, the people and the players have absolutely no animosity towards the people of India or its players.
Surely that's all that matters

 

[BunnyRabbit]

When you're ruling the system, you can manipulate it to make any case justifiable. The "lesser" members will simply either get behind or will choose silence. Money talks. Money is power.

 

[Mp812]

Why did BCCI invite Pakistan for 'Aane Do' series in 2012 then?

Made a judgement mistake. Rectified it by not repeating it since then.

 

[Mp812]

It was the then Pakistani govt of the time. PCB had no choice but to follow orders.

Similarly bcci is following GOI directive now

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Made a judgement mistake. Rectified it by not repeating it since then.

Yeah what a mistake it was lol. When the time came to tour Pakistan/UAE, we backed off. BCCI wanted to make money from 'Aane Do' series and they also didn't return the favour.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Similarly bcci is following GOI directive now

BCCI act like hypocrites when it comes to playing against Pakistan. You either play all matches against Pakistan or boycott all of them. You can't just switch your 'nationalism meter' on or off like that. If BCCI can host IPL in UAE then they can also play bilateral series against Pakistan in UAE at least, there should be no security excuses. It is safer than both India and Pakistan combined.

 

[sam_ahm]

On a very serious note, I feel sad for an entire generation of fans missing out on this great rivalry. One big reason why I became a cricket fan was the India-Pakistan rivalry and there has been nothing like it. Even to this day, I don't think I've enjoyed anything in cricket more than the India-Pakistan rivalry. Nothing beats it.

 

[MenInG]

On a very serious note, I feel sad for an entire generation of fans missing out on this great rivalry. One big reason why I became a cricket fan was the India-Pakistan rivalry and there has been nothing like it. Even to this day, I don't think I've enjoyed anything in cricket more than the India-Pakistan rivalry. Nothing beats it.

Hear Hear.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

On a very serious note, I feel sad for an entire generation of fans missing out on this great rivalry. One big reason why I became a cricket fan was the India-Pakistan rivalry and there has been nothing like it. Even to this day, I don't think I've enjoyed anything in cricket more than the India-Pakistan rivalry. Nothing beats it.

Exactly. Real cricket fans will always miss India vs Pakistan matches and the atmosphere created by those matches.

 

[Rajdeep]

India-Pakistan is a great rivalry in white ball cricket and as fans we miss it a lot. But test matches between these 2 teams were very boring and there was never any rivalry. Its exactly opposite to Ashes where rivalry only exists in test matches but no white ball rivalry between Aus-Eng.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

India-Pakistan is a great rivalry in white ball cricket and as fans we miss it a lot. But test matches between these 2 teams were very boring and there was never any rivalry. Its exactly opposite to Ashes where rivalry only exists in test matches but no white ball rivalry between Aus-Eng.

Chennai test, Kolkata test, Delhi test, 2004-2006 test series between India and Pakistan were boring?

 

[Ab Fan]

Every team is desperate to play India as India are the powerhouse nation of cricket. You cannot accuse any specific country for this thing.