Are personal milestones of greater importance these days amongst Pakistani players?

[Saj]

50s, 100s and career milestones have always been important to any cricketer.

However it's been pointed out to me by several people that according to them it seems that some Pakistani cricketers seem to be putting personal milestones ahead of the team.

I was given the example of Abid Ali's celebrations of a 50 against England and Azhar Ali reaching 6000 Test runs.

Thoughts?

 

[MenInG]

50s, 100s and career milestones have always been important to any cricketer.

However it's been pointed out to me by several people that according to them it seems that some Pakistani cricketers seem to be putting personal milestones ahead of the team.

Thoughts?

Think its fear of losing a place in the side = regular income which is the issue here.

Once out of the national side, life is very ordinary for most players unless they have earned enough from the time they played for Pakistan.

 

[Bewal Express]

They see the milestones as meal tickets. The way see things is that if the score a 50, they will get picked for the next 2 games at least and a 100 guarantees 4 games. You often notice that once one of these average players scores a 100, he will generally live of the legacy for a while. There is a never a a desire to keep scoring and actually become a good player.

 

[MenInG]

They see the milestones as meal tickets. The way see things is that if the score a 50, they will get picked for the next 2 games at least and a 100 guarantees 4 games. You often notice that once one of these average players scores a 100, he will generally live of the legacy for a while. There is a never a a desire to keep scoring and actually become a good player.

Its not a bad thing if it helps the team.

 

[Major]

if eoin morgan played for Pakistan would he had survived?

Pakistani players have to achieve those milestones or else media, regional agenda and fans start bashing the player and have him removed.

Posters will come in this thread and say that oh no we should not play for milestones, while during discussion they will try to put down the players they hate by mentioning the lack of personal achievement as a batsmen.

Also, personal achievements are somethings that bowlers worldwide also go after, but we often turn a blind eye to it. Broad and Anderson are known for going after personal achievements after it was revealed in a book how the senior english bowlers would bash the players when they missed a catch of their bowling or leaked runs in field off of their bowling.

Personal achievements exist not in Pakistan but it exists world wide if you take a closer look.

Rizwan has been playing gutsy innings, but he had no personal mile stone no one wanted him in the team. Posters were asking for Sarfraz back, when Rizwan got those milestone, than public opinion changed on him.

So milestones has an affect

 

[Bewal Express]

Its not a bad thing if it helps the team.

I have no problem with milestones, I just wish there was more of them But the expectations are so low that a milestone can be milked for too long.

 

[Firebat]

You can certainly point out the Abid one as an example, but it's definitely reading a bit too much into the Azhar one. It came up on the big screen "Azhar Ali 6000 Test runs" and the dressing room were on their feet clapping for him, so he very quickly raised his bat to acknowledge them.

He then went on to score 141* and save the game for Pakistan (along with rain).

Don't think there's that much evidence for this to be honest (though the Abid one was super embarrassing). Babar went past 2000 runs and no one even noticed.

 

[PakPremi]

Abid is fighting to keep his place in the team, sure he will celebarte when he has done something noteworthy. And as if the runs they score does not add to the teams total.

 

[Majid Khan]

It all depends on how frequently the player achieves personal milestones and in which situations he achieves them - Miandad achieved many personal milestones including 50s, 100s, 150s, 200s and so on but two things stand out : (1) He performed consistently (2) Amazingly most of Miandad’s best innings came when Pakistan team were in trouble and needed him to perform most for teams‘S cause.


That’s quite different to players who achieve personal milestones on rare occasions and usually they fail when the team needs them to deliver most and capitalise in dead situations or weaker opponents to achieve personal milestones especially when their position in the team gets in jeopardy.

A good example was Ijaz Ahmad , an entertaining batsman who I liked but very inconsistent , except whenever his place in the team was at stake he could score 100s at will and even bat confidently against the likes of Glenn McGrath with his supposedly faulty technique.

 

[Rana]

Pakistanis have poor standards. Afridi played 2 decades of international cricket on the basis of 1 freak hundred. Fakhar will play a decade at least for his ton against India.

 

[Zaz]

Every team in the world celebrates milestones

Dont england celebrate 100s and 5fers or a milestone number of runs or wkts Yes Theres no business celebrating 50s They dont do anything for the team

But pakistan isnt the only country that celebrates individual success because after all it in most cases benefits the team too

 

[Kroll]

There's no issue with acknowledging a milestone but what I find annoying is when they're jumping about as though they won the WC despite being losing or in losing position.

In such situations, need to show a bit more humility for match situation regarding the team. Look at how footballers refrain from celebrating after scoring against former clubs.

I appreciate the other factors mentioned like remaining in the team in order maintain livelihood but the celebrating shouldn't influence this.

 

[Deewana Mastana]

It's not new as it has always been that way and will probably be that way for the next few decades.

 

[topspin]

It’s only a matter of time before sujdas after every half century becomes regular practice.

Salahuddin did in a warm up game in the last tour of England (2 years ago) in a warm-up match, let alone an international game.

Sums up the small mentality of the team. Misbah is perhaps the last guy on earth I’d ask to fix that.

 

[jino]

I don’t think every celebration is a meal ticket for players. Don’t they make good money playing PSL?

 

[angrypathan]

Personal milestones become of greater importance when there aren't enough victories to celebrate. Doesn't help that one of the most selfish people to ever grace Pakistan cricket, Misbah, currently has an iron grip over the team, a man under whose captaincy centuries in losing causes would result in team celebrations with cake.

 

[Mamoon]

When you do not have the ability to win matches you will celebrate personal milestones.

 

[Major]

Babar axam just gave a statement that he is eyeing a t20 hundred

 

[Slim]

50s, 100s and career milestones have always been important to any cricketer.

However it's been pointed out to me by several people that according to them it seems that some Pakistani cricketers seem to be putting personal milestones ahead of the team.

I was given the example of Abid Ali's celebrations of a 50 against England and Azhar Ali reaching 6000 Test runs.

Thoughts?

Agree, this is clearly the case currently and wasnt there during Mickey's time to be honest. When you put in people who are over the hell in the team, thats what happens. For them every match is a quest of survival therefore team's fate goes down the drain.

 

[Slim]

Babar axam just gave a statement that he is eyeing a t20 hundred

While saying that he would want the team to win the series. People dont try to misquote.

 

[Major]

While saying that he would want the team to win the series. People dont try to misquote.

thats just what they say for the sake of it.

I dont mind personal milestones, but yes when a player slows himself down when he reaches 70 or 80 runs, that becomes annoying to watch. Many instances players have done this

 

[Slim]

thats just what they say for the sake of it.

I dont mind personal milestones, but yes when a player slows himself down when he reaches 70 or 80 runs, that becomes annoying to watch. Many instances players have done this

I think Babar is aware that he is a captain now and the team winning is as important as his own performances. Saying that he wants to score t20I century shows ambition unlike Azhar who cannot stop dancing because he managed to get another life and can survive to play another series..

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Babar axam just gave a statement that he is eyeing a t20 hundred

While saying that he would want the team to win the series. People dont try to misquote.

thats just what they say for the sake of it.

I dont mind personal milestones, but yes when a player slows himself down when he reaches 70 or 80 runs, that becomes annoying to watch. Many instances players have done this

I think Babar is aware that he is a captain now and the team winning is as important as his own performances. Saying that he wants to score t20I century shows ambition unlike Azhar who cannot stop dancing because he managed to get another life and can survive to play another series..

Guys lol a journalist asked him “you haven’t been able to get a T20 hundred so far, is that something you have an eye on” and he said “jee bilkul” it’s not something he said by himself.

 

[Slim]

Guys lol a journalist asked him “you haven’t been able to get a T20 hundred so far, is that something you have an eye on” and he said “jee bilkul” it’s not something he said by himself.

Yup, knew it. Unlike Azhar who just called a series defeat as great experience.

 

[leg-side-flick]

How else was Abid Ali to ensure that he gets selected for next match / series.

He had to ensure a bare minimum 50 and that's why probably was happy that he did it.

He did what every Human Being would do.

Your issue isn't personal milestones, it's probably the lack of it