Are Ravindra Jadeja and Shakib Al Hasan Tests ATGs?

[Babbar]

These days it’s more difficult for English, Aus, or Indian players to be in top 10, much less ATG in stats. They play against much tougher opposition, frequently against each other. Many of these top players drop out when their team has to play a lower ranked opposition. It makes sense as a top player will like to prove himself against a worthy competitor. Why will Kohli, Root or Kane go to SL or Bangladesh?

This is different from Bangladesh, Afghanistan or Pakistan, where top players are always playing in series after series against weak opposition or team B/C/D of top teams. They can rack up stats.

 

[Executioner]

These days it’s more difficult for English, Aus, or Indian players to be in top 10, much less ATG in stats. They play against much tougher opposition, frequently against each other. Many of these top players drop out when their team has to play a lower ranked opposition. It makes sense as a top player will like to prove himself against a worthy competitor. Why will Kohli, Root or Kane go to SL or Bangladesh?

This is different from Bangladesh, Afghanistan or Pakistan, where top players are always playing in series after series against weak opposition or team B/C/D of top teams. They can rack up stats.

I'd suggest that you look up Shakib's performance in SENA countries.

 

[Executioner]

TEST BATTING AVERAGES IN SENA:
1. Shakib al Hasan 41.00
2. Shadab Khan 37.33
3. Ravindra Jadeja 31.09

TEST BOWLING AVERAGES IN SENA:
1. Shakib al Hasan 30.44
2. Shadab Khan 31.07
3. Ravindra Jadeja 36.54

So it looks like Jadeja is coming third in a two-horse race.

And it highlights again that Pakistanis are crazy not to see the quality of the spin bowling all-rounder that they have under their noses.

A fellow forum member has already done that.

A 41 average with bat and 30 average with ball in those conditions

 

[OMB]

Ravindra Jadeja Only Second Indian to Pick 450 wickets and Score 4500 runs

Ravindra Jadeja was amongst the wickets after 5 innings in a Test match. Ravindra Jadeja was amongst the wickets after 5 innings in a Test match.

Star all-rounder Ravindra Jadeja has become only the second Indian player to have taken 450 wickets and scored over 4500 runs in international cricket. Before Jadeja, only former India captain Kapil Dev achieved the double. Jadeja achieved the feat after he picked a couple of wickets in the first innings against England.

Ravindra Jadeja accounted for the wickets of Haseeb Hameed and Moeen Ali. He has now taken 450 wickets in 273 matches of his overall international career. He has taken 5 wickets on 10 occasions. His best performance in Test cricket is 7 wickets for 48 runs.

At the same time, Jadeja has also scored 4716 runs at an average of 32 with a century that came in Test cricket. As far as Kapil Dev is concerned, he took 687 wickets in 356 matches and scored 9031 runs. The former Indian captain has also scored 9 centuries and has taken 5 wickets on 24 occasions.

In 168 ODIs, Jadeja has taken 188 wickets at an average of 37 and his best performance in a match is 5 wickets for 36 runs. In the shortest format, he has taken 39 wickets in 50 matches and his best figures read 3 wickets for 48 runs.

Ravindra Jadeja was amongst the wickets after 5 innings in a Test match. He has been in good form with the bat and scored a 50 in the first innings of the first Test at Nottingham. He also scored a valuable 40 runs in the first innings of the second Test played at Lord’s.

https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/news/ravindra-jadeja-only-second-indian-to-pick-450-wickets-and-score-4500-runs-4137023.html

 

[Ab Fan]

All hail Sir Jadeja!

 

[Ab Fan]

<B>Ravindra Jadeja :

Age 34</B>

Bat AVG 36
Runs 2523, 3 100s

Bowl AVG 24
Wickets 247, 11 5-fers

1. Averages 42 with bat and 21 with bowl in Australia

2. Averages 25 with bowl in South Africa with a 5-fer.

3. Smashed a wonderful hundred in England in test decider.

4. Smashed a wonderful 175 vs Sri Lanka last year.

Expect more to come in this series with both bat and bowl.

 

[dravidthewall]

<B>Ravindra Jadeja :

Age 34</B>

Bat AVG 36
Runs 2523, 3 100s

Bowl AVG 24
Wickets 247, 11 5-fers

1. Averages 42 with bat and 21 with bowl in Australia

2. Averages 25 with bowl in South Africa with a 5-fer.

3. Smashed a wonderful hundred in England in test decider.

4. Smashed a wonderful 175 vs Sri Lanka last year.

Expect more to come in this series with both bat and bowl.

ATG allrounder along with ben stokes.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Jadeja the T20 player is different from Test. In Tests he is at the best of his batting powers. Sadly picked up injury. Not sure how he will bat from here on.

 

[Ab Fan]

ATG allrounder along with ben stokes.

Ben Stokes
Ravindra Jadeja
Shakib Al Hasan

These three are elite level test A/R.

 

[kumjsr]

Ben Stokes
Ravindra Jadeja
Shakib Al Hasan

These three are elite level test A/R.

Ben Stokes would hardly get into side with bowling alone. He is primarily a batsman and a support bowler.
Even with batting Stokes is more of a clutch batsman than reliable one, which means while his success is celebrated a lot, his failures hardly raise a question.

Jadeja will get into this Indian side with his batting alone.

 

[Haque]

None of them are test ATGs. Shakib is an ATG all formats combined. However I will have Jaddu in my team over Shakib in tests.

Only four bowlers (Herath, Muralithran, Steyn, & Shakib.) have fifers against 9 Test playing countries. Only Shakib is still playing. Hopefully he will play against Ireland in the upcoming Test. If he can take 5 wickets in any innings, he will be the only player who will have fifers against 10 Test playing countries , a world record that will be hard to break. In future he will also have a chance to increase it to 11, if he can manage another fifer against Afghanistan.

Also please read the following:

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/...-greater-allrounder-than-garry-sobers-1257937

 

[Hitman]

Jadeja, truly our MVP in Test cricket.

 

[Ab Fan]

One need an eye to understand the best talent that's coming out from the game.

You look at this thread. It was created back in 2019 and it was a time when most deluded Indian fans were hyping Pandya as the next Kapil Dev but calling out Jadeja as average A/R.

However, this thread was created by a genius who saw how Jadeja is improving himself as a cricketer and has really come a long way. In the next two years, you can see that Jadeja has been averaging something like 50 with bat and his overall stats are there to be seen. A great talent can be spotted by just watching enough glimpses of it, not necessarily looking at only stats. Furthermore, you already know how I got it so spot on in case of Gill and Pant after the Adelaide Test.

To conclude, two really masterclass predictions and you can expect more to come with time.

Revisiting the golden words once again.

The thread has come a long way and the debate has intensified only - Jadeja is making a strong case to be considered an ATG test cricketer. This tag wasn't used loosely as certain folks thought because when it is used by me, it means business, serious business.

 

[Ab Fan]

Stats as of 19-02-2023:-

Ravindra Jadeja :

Runs - 2619, AVG 36.9
Wickets - 259, AVG 23.8

 

[ElRaja]

first anderson, now this thread, i keep getting proven right on the players i back, i said exactly the same four years ago and will say it again, this guy is an ATG all rounder level in asian conditions. 40 batting average, 20 bowling average, and absolute gun fielder.

test in asia, imran khan, ravi jadeja is where the conversation on all rounders in an atg xi starts and ends. india should enjoy his peak, once him and ravi ashwin are gone they'll be a massive hole in the test side.

 

[Hitman]

I won't get into this ATG stuff, but Jadeja is truly a top class Test all rounder by all means. Add to that, definitely an Indian great.

 

[WengerOut]

Jadeja is the MVP of this Indian test team

 

[Fanboy375]

A fellow forum member has already done that.

A 41 average with bat and 30 average with ball in those conditions

He has 12 and 27 ave in bat and ball respectively in Aus,SA and Eng.He bat well in NZ (74) and ball bad there (40)

 

[Ab Fan]

Jadeja has surpassed Shakib in my opinion.

300+ wickets at avg of 24 and 3000+ runs at avg of 35.

 

[RidiculousMan]

Jadeja has surpassed Shakib in my opinion.

300+ wickets at avg of 24 and 3000+ runs at avg of 35.

Yep. Not a huge difference but Jadeja the bowler is better in Test than him

 

[Fanboy375]

Jadeja has surpassed Shakib in my opinion.

300+ wickets at avg of 24 and 3000+ runs at avg of 35.

What about Ben Strokes?If we count non minnow records (Afg and Zim out)

 

[Ab Fan]

What about Ben Strokes?If we count non minnow records (Afg and Zim out)

All formats combined, you can say he is the best in this generation but in Tests only, it is Jadeja.

ATG? Hard to say for either.