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Are scores of 300 still match winning totals in ODIs?

Aqib_mustafa

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Guys we were all hearing all kind of claims that south africa will score 400 plus totals but pak showed them the way you still need to build innings and set a platform this is not t20 where you just slog look at klassen he played nicely but the result was he lost his wicket when he needed to grind and build his inning.
 
To be very honest Pakistan had to work really hard to defend 300 odd in the third ODI. Babar who is still searching for his form has played a bit too slow.

We will need to score 15-20 runs more if we are going to be playing with only 4 frontline bowlers going forward.
 
To be very honest Pakistan had to work really hard to defend 300 odd in the third ODI. Babar who is still searching for his form has played a bit too slow.

We will need to score 15-20 runs more if we are going to be playing with only 4 frontline bowlers going forward.
Ya i get that but pak now actually picking specialist bowlers not so called allrounder like shadab or nawaz in the end cricket is game of specialist thats how pak won those 2 series in aus and sa.
 
Guys we were all hearing all kind of claims that south africa will score 400 plus totals but pak showed them the way you still need to build innings and set a platform this is not t20 where you just slog look at klassen he played nicely but the result was he lost his wicket when he needed to grind and build his inning.
Agreed. The 400 totals argument were done with a pinch of salt since sa were cracking it last year.

However people forget that Makram, Miller and Van der dussan only funcitoned if a solid platform was set.

If QDK or Klaseen failed these guys are clueless on how to rebuild an innings.

QDK is a huge loss since he tonked 4 centuries in a single icc event, Dude was masking how weak SA truly was.

Sa needed qdk to actually set a target
 
Agreed. The 400 totals argument were done with a pinch of salt since sa were cracking it last year.

However people forget that Makram, Miller and Van der dussan only funcitoned if a solid platform was set.

If QDK or Klaseen failed these guys are clueless on how to rebuild an innings.

QDK is a huge loss since he tonked 4 centuries in a single icc event, Dude was masking how weak SA truly was.

Sa needed qdk to actually set a target
@Mamoon @Caved12 @Ahmed216 @gazza619 @khyberlion narrative changes again LOL!
 
Ya i get that but pak now actually picking specialist bowlers not so called allrounder like shadab or nawaz in the end cricket is game of specialist thats how pak won those 2 series in aus and sa.
I agree. Hope we will see proper bowlers under Aqib and Riz
 
In the bygone era batting was an art that required solid technique, temperament, and talent (good hand-eye coordination). It also required bravery because pads, helmets, gloves etc. were not really top notch & didn't provide protection that'd make a batter feel comfortable. Coming to the point, the gulli danda format has changed all of that, the pitches are dead, the outfield often wet so the ball just skids on, boundaries short, batters strong, & bats built in a manner that they'd reflect cosmic objects back to another galaxy by a mere touch.

The moment there's swing, seam, or an abrasive pitch that results in reverse swing, the modern batter fails to score anything substantial. Put Finn Allen or Fraser McGurk against reverse swing or any kind of lateral movement & they'd appear lost, give them a bat on a 55 meter boundary when there's dew all around & they'd make batting look as if it's stick cricket 2k3.

That is why 300 is still a decent total on any pitch that isn't super flat or conditions that slightly favor bowlers. However, this won't last long as we will see more 400 totals soon as gulli danda revolutionaries like Gayle Warner etc. will reach management positions (since they've retired). McCullum is already changing/revolutionizing test cricket with Bazball so enjoy this slow cricket while it lasts.
 
It depends on the pitches.

Some ODI pitches in India or England are exceptionally flat phattas where these types of scores can be made.

I'm glad cricket hasn't totally drifted into this direction. The first ODI in this series was the perfect game in my eyes because pace, spin and good quality batting all could make an impact.
 
Ya lol people were saying sa will score even 500 lol it is not easy look what happen to thenm couldn't even come close to 300 totals.
These games were played on great ODI pitches which provided the right balance between bat and ball. Classic ODI cricket was on display.

People still complaining about Babar and Riz strike rates should look carefully at our final scorecards. We were all-out in 2nd game and 9 down in 3rd.

Kaptaana and Bobsy ensured we had proper batsmen playing for most of death overs.
 
It depends on the pitches.

Some ODI pitches in India or England are exceptionally flat phattas where these types of scores can be made.

I'm glad cricket hasn't totally drifted into this direction. The first ODI in this series was the perfect game in my eyes because pace, spin and good quality batting all could make an impact.
Proper assessment of the conditions, strengths and weaknesses of own team and opposition is the key.

Pre game and mid game both
 
That is bcoz 50 overs is lots of overs and there are only 11 players. So to score at a run rate of 6 in a 50 over game is difficult especially in pressure chases. In T20 cricket, chasing bigger scores are easy as it is only 120 balls and you still get 11 batters.

ODI cricket is more closer to test cricket than T20s.
 
That is bcoz 50 overs is lots of overs and there are only 11 players. So to score at a run rate of 6 in a 50 over game is difficult especially in pressure chases. In T20 cricket, chasing bigger scores are easy as it is only 120 balls and you still get 11 batters.

ODI cricket is more closer to test cricket than T20s.
agree with this
 
That is way ODI cricket was so revered from 90s to early 2000s, it was an event 50 overs for both sides. You will Test match type bowling with mostly 2 slips Gully and point in the initial overs. Good batsmen use to find the gap or cash on the loose delivery.

Premier bowlers has econ. under 4 or near 4. An average of mid 30s with SR in 80s was considered gold.

There were captions like Time since last boundary due to quality of cricket. The all rounders team had were genuine unlike bits & pieces mercenaries on offer.

Commentators had some insight to tell and point out the deficiencies in players unlike the hyperbole screams today.

More to that infact the ODI series had legacy sponsors who were their every year unlike today.

Cable & Wireless Series in WI

CB series in Aus

Natwest Series in Eng.

Sharjah Cup in Emirates

Singer Cup in SL

Coca-Cola Trophy, Kitply Cup to name a few.
 
In t20s 200 is a winning score too. Even 180 is usually enough. Even though batsmen are capable of much more these days. Most of the time when we don’t get low totals in t20 it’s because we can not easily preserve wickets for entire overs length. We complain about run rate but then we get bowled out, or play conservatively in order to last the full length.

The main issue is these guys can’t accelerate the scoring without getting out. Either through maximising singles, settling early at the crease or hitting boundaries cleanly. We keep going on about being aggressive, but other foreign teams don’t take the same amount of risk, they are just simply better at maximising their run rate.

When you have a bunch of players performing, it takes off pressure and makes it much easier. We have quite a few batsmen doing well in Odis all together now. In t20s we’ve got arguably one batsman in form in Saim. You can be all aggressive as you want but if the line up depends on one or two batsmen it’s destined to fail and produce low scores. There is just no stability that can be then built on after a good platform or allow batsmen to accelerate/ keep run rate going when wickets fall.
 
It's a myth that you need a certain total in every game. Cricket isn't one-dimensional where every pitch demands a 400+ score.

South Africa was also missing Maharaj and Nortje, who could theoretically have kept Pakistan under 300.

The real question Pakistani fans and the team should be asking is: can Pakistan score 400 on a 400 pitch or successfully chase it down? I think the answer is no. The basic talent is there, but they need to invest more on:
1. Two attacking openers.
2. Mindset chance in Middle order to not take too many deliveries to get set.
3. More powerhitting skills.
 
Some people make it sound like 300+ is a walk in the park. It is not that easy even in today's age.

For vast majority of the teams, chasing down 300+ is difficult 9 out of 10 times.
Agreed it's about surviving 300 deliveries and such a total won't be easy to chase at any time.
 
Bumpable thread. Only recently West Indies made 328. England chased down in 47 overs. Livingstone 124 in 85 balls.
 
High preponderance of 350 + scores was more of a 2013-2020 thing.

In the years since, we have seen that the newer kookaburra balls dona lot more in the air and off the pitch.

It's only maybe in Pakistan where massive scores have been the norm even 2021 onwards
 
High preponderance of 350 + scores was more of a 2013-2020 thing.

In the years since, we have seen that the newer kookaburra balls dona lot more in the air and off the pitch.

It's only maybe in Pakistan where massive scores have been the norm even 2021 onwards

Actually I'm wrong here.

Since Jan 2021

25 - 27 % of all ODI innings in SA, IND, PAK, ENG have been above 300

21 % in West Indies

Around 14 % in NZ and Lanka

And only 1 out of 30 ODI innings in Australia had a total above 300.

Australia is the toughest place to bat in ODI currently and 300 looks an impossible score to chase Down Under.
 
Actually I'm wrong here.

Since Jan 2021

25 - 27 % of all ODI innings in SA, IND, PAK, ENG have been above 300

21 % in West Indies

Around 14 % in NZ and Lanka

And only 1 out of 30 ODI innings in Australia had a total above 300.

Australia is the toughest place to bat in ODI currently and 300 looks an impossible score to chase Down Under.
What is it 350+?
 
300 scores are on par today. On par means not too hard to chase but not too easy either.

However 310, 320 is still difficult to chase.

It might not seem like alot, but 10 to 20 runs makes alot of difference in one day. It's more noticeable in tests though.
 
I know. Can you do this analysis for 350+. It would be interesting to see

Australia : 1 out of 30
West Indies : 1 out of 60
England : 1 out of 52
India : 18 out of 138(but 13 in World Cup)
NZ : 0 out of 28
PAK : 0 out of 36
SA : 3 out of 56
SL : 2 out of 94
 
Australia : 1 out of 30
West Indies : 1 out of 60
England : 1 out of 52
India : 18 out of 138(but 13 in World Cup)
NZ : 0 out of 28
PAK : 0 out of 36
SA : 3 out of 56
SL : 2 out of 94
Feels like it happens mostly just in India. Probably helps Indian batter averages and strike rates to bat in the conditions frequently
 
It depends on pitches and conditions.
300 is not a decent score on many England pitches against quality teams.
 
Feels like it happens mostly just in India. Probably helps Indian batter averages and strike rates to bat in the conditions frequently

Probably also why Shami and Bumrah have been exceptional bowlers to average 24 and 26 in these conditions and why other attacks got exposed playing in these conditions.
 
Probably also why Shami and Bumrah have been exceptional bowlers to average 24 and 26 in these conditions and why other attacks got exposed playing in these conditions.
It really is a case study. Shami and Bumrah don’t get the credit they deserve. I wouldn’t say “exposed” because Shaheen, Rauf, Naseem have bowled really well in a lot of countries. Pakistani fast bowlers had no clue how to bowl in India though.
 
It's a myth that you need a certain total in every game. Cricket isn't one-dimensional where every pitch demands a 400+ score.

South Africa was also missing Maharaj and Nortje, who could theoretically have kept Pakistan under 300.

The real question Pakistani fans and the team should be asking is: can Pakistan score 400 on a 400 pitch or successfully chase it down? I think the answer is no. The basic talent is there, but they need to invest more on:
1. Two attacking openers.
2. Mindset chance in Middle order to not take too many deliveries to get set.
3. More powerhitting skills.


Well said. Teams cannot play to a template like they used to in 90s and 00s. Now it is critical to assess the pitch and game situation.

Earlier batters would only pull trigger after over 35 or 40 come what may. Now it is important to assess potential for taking down a bowler as early as 15-20 overs into game if matchup and situation favours to transmit pressure back and move towards a par plus score.
 
Well said. Teams cannot play to a template like they used to in 90s and 00s. Now it is critical to assess the pitch and game situation.

Earlier batters would only pull trigger after over 35 or 40 come what may. Now it is important to assess potential for taking down a bowler as early as 15-20 overs into game if matchup and situation favours to transmit pressure back and move towards a par plus score.
I heard Warner say in comm
Box in recent Pak vs Aus ODI series that Aus used to plan for 400 every game and adjusted downwards as game progressed
 
300-320 is match winning on any pitch even today. If you are conceding beyond that it is due to bad bowling and captaincy.

Pakistan have the batting to score in that range on a flat pitch against any bowling attack and with Rizwan as captain, most teams will struggle to beat Pakistan.

I am very confident that Pakistan can beat anyone in ODI cricket right now.
 
300-320 is match winning on any pitch even today. If you are conceding beyond that it is due to bad bowling and captaincy.

Pakistan have the batting to score in that range on a flat pitch against any bowling attack and with Rizwan as captain, most teams will struggle to beat Pakistan.

I am very confident that Pakistan can beat anyone in ODI cricket right now.
With series wins in Aus and SA, I am now super confident as well. Aaney do!
 
They have nowhere to hide. They have been totally humiliated but this is what happens when you have an agenda.

Good character will always prevail over toxic agendas.
Bro what happen to those claims sa will score 450 or 500 runs i mean seriously sa couldn't even come close to 300 totals.
 
You have to bowl really well still to defend 300. Pakistan did a great job with the ball actually as despite the big totals i always expected to South Africa to chase them down but they couldn’t so credit to Pakistan bowling.
 
You have to bowl really well still to defend 300. Pakistan did a great job with the ball actually as despite the big totals i always expected to South Africa to chase them down but they couldn’t so credit to Pakistan bowling.
A lot depends on the pitches and ground sizes.

In South Africa defending a total of 300 is a tough challenge because bowlers have little to no margin for error. So yes that was some excellent bowling from Pakistan.
 
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