Are South Africa overrated in ODIs?

[a_tahir]

Sa have lost to pakistan in two one sided matches in this series with one more match to come.
They were annihilated by India last year.
But still people consider this team to one of the top 4.
May i know why?

 

[Hasan123]

No. They are trying out new players for the WC. For the first game of the WC, they will be ready.

 

[Mobashir]

If you are them highly then yes they are overrated.

There best possible line up for the world would be :

Quiton de Qock (wk)
Hashim Amla
Aiden Markram
Faf du Plesis
David Miller
HeinRich Klassen
Chris Morris
Kagiso Rabada
Dale Steyn
Imran Tahir
Lungi Ngidi

The problem is that the three players in bold, especially Markram and Morris are very important and are out of favor for the moment.

They are going no where with the likes of Reeza Hendricks, Van der Dussen, Phelukhwayo...

 

[BreadPakoda]

If you are them highly then yes they are overrated.

There best possible line up for the world would be :

Quiton de Qock (wk)
Hashim Amla
Aiden Markram
Faf du Plesis
David Miller
HeinRich Klassen
Chris Morris
Kagiso Rabada
Dale Steyn
Imran Tahir
Lungi Ngidi

The problem is that the three players in bold, especially Markram and Morris are very important and are out of favor for the moment.

They are going no where with the likes of Reeza Hendricks, Van der Dussen, Phelukhwayo...

Agree. Trying too many new players without having enough time to allow them to settle in the team. Counter productive in my view.

 

[BreadPakoda]

SA should have zeroed on to a team combination by now. +/- 1 or 2 players, max.

Australia uses the same tactics and it is surprising. There is a reason why 9 years since his debut, Starc has played only 75 ODIs.

 

[Bewal Express]

De Kock
Amla
Hendricks
Du Plessis
Markram
Phlekwayo
Klassen (WK)
Morris
Rabada
Olivier/ Steyn/ Ngidi
Tahir

 

[Hasan123]

De Kock
Hendricks
Markham/Amla
Faf
Dussen/JP
Miller
Morris
Andile
Steyn/Ngidi
Rabada
Tahir/Shamsi

 

[Oxfordchamp]

This SA team has been the weakest in the last decade since Abdv retired. Plus absence of duminy and Morris is also huge..I see them slipping in rankings ..

 

[Usman Chadda]

De Kock needs to have a massive tournament for them to qualify for the SFs. Other than him, I don't see any impact player in their team.

ABD's sudden retirement has left them in tatters.

 

[jnaveen1980]

They are neither over-rated nor under-rated now.

 

[gazza619]

The quota system is killing SA cricket. Today they had a few average players in the line up.

 

[Oxfordchamp]

They also lost few excellent players to kolpak.

 

[Mobashir]

De Kock
Hendricks
Markham/Amla
Faf
Dussen/JP
Miller
Morris
Andile
Steyn/Ngidi
Rabada
Tahir/Shamsi

How can you have Hendricks in front of Amla? In a team that bats till 6, you are willing to leave out your most dependable batsman for Hendricks.

 

[latecut]

I am surprised that no one is describing this South Africa as their D side. I suppose that honour is reserved for a side when they get beaten by India. Since they are getting beaten by playing Pakistan, not India, so they must be their full stregth best ever side.

 

[Mobashir]

I am surprised that no one is describing this South Africa as their D side. I suppose that honour is reserved for a side when they get beaten by India. Since they are getting beaten by playing Pakistan, not India, so they must be their full stregth best ever side.

Care to tell me who was missing in yesterday's team?
Ngidi in place of Beuran Hendricks will be South Africa full strength team.

 

[Varun]

Can't beat India / Pakistan at home. Constantly shell games to them in ICC tourneys.

Definitely.

 

[saeed5646]

I am surprised that no one is describing this South Africa as their D side. I suppose that honour is reserved for a side when they get beaten by India. Since they are getting beaten by playing Pakistan, not India, so they must be their full stregth best ever side.

because that d SA team won a odi series against same aus which is beaten by India.you would have point have aus won that series at home against sa .Current Sa >>>>current Aus in every format

 

[a_tahir]

Care to tell me who was missing in yesterday's team?
Ngidi in place of Beuran Hendricks will be South Africa full strength team.

Rabada, SA's highest ranked bowler averages around 50 in this series while Shaheen averages 20 odd.
Rabada hasn't been very effective in this series as a whole

 

[Mobashir]

Rabada, SA's highest ranked bowler averages around 50 in this series while Shaheen averages 20 odd.
Rabada hasn't been very effective in this series as a whole

That's because we have played him very well. Can't do anything about it!

 

[PakPremi]

Rabada, SA's highest ranked bowler averages around 50 in this series while Shaheen averages 20 odd.
Rabada hasn't been very effective in this series as a whole

Pakistan played Rabada well in test series as well overall despite batting in poor positions due to that Man Olivier, who incidentally was not that good against us in ODIs. Rabada will be in all their top teams though.
For a change credit has be given to Pk for finally getting a decent squad and combinations almost right to compete with top teams.

 

[BlackShadow]

They are not so weak when they play their best squad, still average at best.

 

[Swashbuckler]

AB deserted a sinking ship, when his country needed him the most he ran away like a coward. Kudos to guys like Amla, Steyn who despite being well past their best days are not giving up. You have to be with your unit both in good and bad times.

 

[Usman Chadda]

They are not so weak when they play their best squad, still average at best.

What's their best squad?

 

[Hasan123]

How can you have Hendricks in front of Amla? In a team that bats till 6, you are willing to leave out your most dependable batsman for Hendricks.

Hendricks has the ability to accelerate. Amla doesn't and it could cost SA. Playing at 3 may suit him as he can rotate strike. Also SA usually collapse in big games, maybe Amla batting down the order can prevent that.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Overrated by who? Most people I see say SA is mediocre, and rightly so.

 

[Mamoon]

They are not overrated because they are not rated very highly at the moment. De Villiers has left a massive hole in the batting lineup and Tahir, who is basically half of their ODI bowling, is finished at this level.

They still have a few excellent players and are a better side than Pakistan and Sri Lanka, but they are quite vulnerable.

Pakistan have done well in this series and punched above their weight, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. This Pakistan team will get pounded in India, England and New Zealand. It will be an achievement if they win a single ODI over a 5 match series.

A 3-2 defeat in South Africa these days is not exactly a result to be proud of - India blew them away last year, and England and New Zealand would probably beat this team as well. South Africa at the moment are roughly at the same level as Australia - a series between these two sides will be closely fought and can go either way.

However, if we were to win the series 3-2, it will definitely be a great result. Beating a better, albeit vulnerable team in any format especially in their home conditions is always an achievement.

 

[rhony]

What's their best squad?

This is their best squad. Duminy is missing but he hasn't been in form for a couple of years. His replacement has been scoring runs infact.

 

[rhony]

They are not overrated because they are not rated very highly at the moment. De Villiers has left a massive hole in the batting lineup and Tahir, who is basically half of their ODI bowling, is finished at this level.

They still have a few excellent players and are a better side than Pakistan and Sri Lanka, but they are quite vulnerable.

Pakistan have done well in this series and punched above their weight, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. This Pakistan team will get pounded in India, England and New Zealand. It will be an achievement if they win a single ODI over a 5 match series.

A 3-2 defeat in South Africa these days is not exactly a result to be proud of - India blew them away last year, and England and New Zealand would probably beat this team as well. South Africa at the moment are roughly at the same level as Australia - a series between these two sides will be closely fought and can go either way.

However, if we were to win the series 3-2, it will definitely be a great result. Beating a better, albeit vulnerable team in any format especially in their home conditions is always an achievement.

Right now Eng, India are at another level. After watching Ind vs NZ, I think there is not much difference between NZ, SA, Pak, AUS. Each of these can beat the other. These matchups are very crucial in the WC and would be the best games of the tournament. BD vs WI results withstanding, I think BD and WI are at the same level. Then SL and Afg round up the lineup. Pak has dominated SA but the same couldn't be said about SA. Fortune favored them and tbh, SA batting lineup looks vulnerable. They beat AUS 2-1 recently but AUS team that faced India was better with some of the hacks like Lynn gone.

 

[Shafi]

India is far ahead of 2nd position England who bowled out to much lower ranked WI.
This World Cup will be a boring one. All the teams are super weak and team like England, S Africa or NZ are not made to win World Cup. Plus we have weakest Australia, Pakistan and Sri Lanka teams in the history.

90% possibilities for India
5% for England
1% each for S Africa and NZ.

Other teams are just filling the blanks.

 

[saeed5646]

India is far ahead of 2nd position England who bowled out to much lower ranked WI.
This World Cup will be a boring one. All the teams are super weak and team like England, S Africa or NZ are not made to win World Cup. Plus we have weakest Australia, Pakistan and Sri Lanka teams in the history.

90% possibilities for India
5% for England
1% each for S Africa and NZ.

Other teams are just filling the blanks.

Should not we tell this to icc to forfiet the worldcup as we have genius who already knows the result.i know how much the event will be boring for you as you will be first in match thread to bash pak team for very little reason you can find . .

To sums up your knowledge this is not pakistan weakest odi side in history.the 2015 was worse than that.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

South Africa used to scare me as an ODI team. Don't remember exactly how many it was but they had the longest streak against us where they'd beat us black and blue no matter where we played.

Then the over from Akhtar happened, and somehow something changed and we started beating them regularly.

They may beat us in the series decider but this South Africa team is a shadow of former RSA teams. Kallis alone was a complete batsman and a bowler. Add to that Boucher, Pollock, and Klusener and that's four quality all-rounders in one team. Ntini, Donald, and Steyn were almost after thoughts for this team.

What India did to them in the last ODI series is a fair reflection of what the current RSA team is. They had only won 5 ODI matches in all of their history there, but just in a single tour they won five matches and that's how much RSA has fallen.

The reasons could be many but this isn't a team that scares anyone and it's going to be really hard for them to win an ICC tournament with this core group of players.

 

[pakistani pride]

This is their best squad. Duminy is missing but he hasn't been in form for a couple of years. His replacement has been scoring runs infact.

This!

At PP folks always trying to downgrade PAK team. I mean how is an ODI TEAM with Amla, FAF, Kock, Miller, Steyn, Tahir, Rabbada not good? Check them averages etc. They are world class.

 

[Usman Chadda]

This is their best squad. Duminy is missing but he hasn't been in form for a couple of years. His replacement has been scoring runs infact.

Exactly my point.

 

[Bhaijaan]

There was a time when they were.

From last 7-8 years or so they have genuinely been an average ODI team especially in tournaments.

They used to melt down in big stages now even in groups and round robins they lose where there isn’t even much pressure involved.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

They are overrated, because they're just above mediocre, when fans think they're an average team.

 

[Itachi]

Well, they can be happy that they won't be chokers anymore.

 

[Kianig89]

The fact that we ran them close in a ODI series in their own backyard is enough of an evidence that SA are bang average

 

[jnaveen1980]

I am shocked to know they are third ranked side? Most wins at home i suppose?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Don't rate them to be honest, and that's taking nothing away from BD. Without Steyn their bowling looks similar to Pakistan's, no discipline or real bite, and they have a long tail for a ODI team. Mid level team around the same standard as us.

 

[shane]

Technically they are overrated in the sense that they are not the third best team in the world. However, I dont think anyone is really surprised by their losses in the opening two games.

 

[Bilal7]

They've been plagued with injuries, which has not allowed them to play at their best. If and when they get their 'A' team together, they should start winning again.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Pakistan lost to this team which lost to Bangladesh and demolished by India.