Are the English second-string bowlers at minnow level?

[stevewittry]

England side batting first scoring a near 200 score in a T20 decider on their home ground. You would have expected them to win 10 times out of 10 in such situations.

Instead Rohit Sharma and Pandya of all people making merry and knocking off the total with over an over to spare.

Even Bangladesh with their limited bowling resources would have won this comfortably.

This English side without Anderson, Broad and Woakes is minnow level. Thoughts?

People are critical calling the current Aussie side a D-grade team but this English bowling is not too far behind.

 

[dhonixi]

Not any thread for Aussies second string attack?? England has first choice attack but Australia has no first choice bowler. You need some soothing.

 

[Tyler Durden]

England side batting first scoring a near 200 score in a T20 decider on their home ground. You would have expected them to win 10 times out of 10 in such situations.

Instead Rohit Sharma and Pandya of all people making merry and knocking off the total with over an over to spare.

Even Bangladesh with their limited bowling resources would have won this comfortably.

This English side without Anderson, Broad and Woakes is minnow level. Thoughts?

People are critical calling the current Aussie side a D-grade team but this English bowling is not too far behind.

Lol lol ! Didn't see you the recent Nidahas Trophy? Bangladesh winning comfortably? Keep crying mate! Rohit is one of the top ODI bastmen in the world and why do you say Rohit of all? Is he some inferior batsman? Show some respect and give the credit where it's due.

 

[Ab Fan]

It is good when the ball moves, particularly, Willey.

 

[Buffet]

England side batting first scoring a near 200 score in a T20 decider on their home ground. You would have expected them to win 10 times out of 10 in such situations.

Instead Rohit Sharma and Pandya of all people making merry and knocking off the total with over an over to spare.

Even Bangladesh with their limited bowling resources would have won this comfortably.

This English side without Anderson, Broad and Woakes is minnow level. Thoughts?

People are critical calling the current Aussie side a D-grade team but this English bowling is not too far behind.

So BD, Zim, Aus , Eng all have minnow level bowling? So many minnows in world now...

 

[Chief Destroyer]

They're terrible. It's mindblowing England can't find one half decent bowler. Rashid is the only consistent threat. Wood can be a threat but he's always injured.

 

[navin]

This thread reminds me of "Do runs even matter against Sri Lanka".

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

No. They're their first choice bowlers. But they're just as bad as 2nd choice.

They changed their approach to odis after WC 15. They want 6 hitters + 5 bowlers who can hit, irrespective of how bad they're in bowling.

This can win them many games, but also cost them some important games at the tournaments.

 

[introvert]

England limited overs bowling is average which is fact & almost everybody agrees with that imo.
More than woakes England missed tom curran here who in my opinion is England's best t20 bowler currently.
& Anderson,broad are axed from t20 side since ages.
This ground was small, pitch was flat & England were 15 to 20 runs short here.
Any bowling attack can come under radar & get smashed here.itit doesn't matter whether it is Pakistan or Australia's A grade first choice attack.

India batted well against average England bowling attack so give them credit.

 

[stevewittry]

Lol lol ! Didn't see you the recent Nidahas Trophy? Bangladesh winning comfortably? Keep crying mate! Rohit is one of the top ODI bastmen in the world and why do you say Rohit of all? Is he some inferior batsman? Show some respect and give the credit where it's due.

Ok.Nidhas trophy, Bangladesh posted somewhere around 160 odd in the finals - a below par score and yet with their meagre bowling resources made the Indian line up struggle. In fact they were favourites to win the match till the very last ball when a fluke shot from DK took the match away.

Rohit was also playing the Nidhas trophy and batted like a tail ender. This time when confronted with a club level English bowling attack made merry.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Ok.Nidhas trophy, Bangladesh posted somewhere around 160 odd in the finals - a below par score and yet with their meagre bowling resources made the Indian line up struggle. In fact they were favourites to win the match till the very last ball when a fluke shot from DK took the match away.

Rohit was also playing the Nidhas trophy and batted like a tail ender. This time when confronted with a club level English bowling attack made merry.

A set Rohit will boss any kind of attack. He has punished Australia more than anyone else. Didn't the same "club level" win the game for England in the last match?

 

[Tyler Durden]

Ok.Nidhas trophy, Bangladesh posted somewhere around 160 odd in the finals - a below par score and yet with their meagre bowling resources made the Indian line up struggle. In fact they were favourites to win the match till the very last ball when a fluke shot from DK took the match away.

Rohit was also playing the Nidhas trophy and batted like a tail ender. This time when confronted with a club level English bowling attack made merry.

Really? The less we talk about today's Aus C attack the better. You must be some clown to disregard Rohit Sharma as some nobody in the world cricket. Can't argue more with an ignorant. Continue your crying and wish you some sleepless nights because India will continue this domination for years to come.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Nasser Hussain would be the last to complement any Indian batsman. Today he said this "Rohit is one of the greatest ever to play the limited overs cricket" . Yes he is rated highly by all teams. Set Rohit is the most dangerous Indian batsman.

 

[cricketindiafan]

Same bowling has made them the number 1 ranked ODI side. Anderson and Broad got booted out of LOIs long back, no point lamenting their absence.

As for not defending 200, on this track and with those 60 meter boundaries, even 225 would not have been safe. India chased 200 comfortably with 8 balls to spare and without any undue risks. Bristol I believe has been notorious for high scoring games for tears.

 

[90MPH]

It’s fair to say English bowling in limited overs can either be decent or at times dreadful.

No one can question that the English batting in Limited overs as it is amongst the best in the world. If Root can’t get in then you know you have nothing to worry about it.

Bowling has been the problem - it’s too much hit or miss for England. Certainly they lack good death bowlers.

You can’t win a tournament on batting alone. Something they need to consider for next years World Cup.

 

[saeed5646]

Have to say this england bowling is very weak.if they score 350 in odis on flat wicket they will still lose just like they lose against scotland after scoring 300+

 

[Dingolfy]

India would have chased this against any team today such is the state of the pitch.It is an absolute belter and even the likes of Mitchell Starc go for plenty on such pitches.But I dont rate England's bowling much though.

 

[stevewittry]

Lol lol ! Didn't see you the recent Nidahas Trophy? Bangladesh winning comfortably? Keep crying mate! Rohit is one of the top ODI bastmen in the world and why do you say Rohit of all? Is he some inferior batsman? Show some respect and give the credit where it's due.

A set Rohit will boss any kind of attack. He has punished Australia more than anyone else. Didn't the same "club level" win the game for England in the last match?

Really? The less we talk about today's Aus C attack the better. You must be some clown to disregard Rohit Sharma as some nobody in the world cricket. Can't argue more with an ignorant. Continue your crying and wish you some sleepless nights because India will continue this domination for years to come.

I don't disregard Sharma but don't rate him very highly either. He rarely shows up against quality bowling but quick to capitalise on ordinary bowling on flat surfaces.

 

[stevewittry]

Lol lol ! Didn't see you the recent Nidahas Trophy? Bangladesh winning comfortably? Keep crying mate! Rohit is one of the top ODI bastmen in the world and why do you say Rohit of all? Is he some inferior batsman? Show some respect and give the credit where it's due.

A set Rohit will boss any kind of attack. He has punished Australia more than anyone else. Didn't the same "club level" win the game for England in the last match?

They can't bowl the Yorker, their variations are mostly predictable and have no control on the short balls.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I don't disregard Sharma but don't rate him very highly either. He rarely shows up against quality bowling but quick to capitalise on ordinary bowling on flat surfaces.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...s-india-2nd-match-carlton-tri-series-2014-15/

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...a-1st-odi-south-africa-tour-of-india-2015-16/

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...ndia-1st-odi-india-tour-of-australia-2015-16/

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...ndia-2nd-odi-india-tour-of-australia-2015-16/

They are all decent attacks.

 

[jnaveen1980]

They can't bowl the Yorker, their variations are mostly predictable and have no control on the short balls.

Did you see how he slapped the yorker over long leg for 4. A set Rohit is one of the most dangerous player. Many teams would agree to that. If you want to get Rohit out do it in the first 5 or 6. Once he is set he can be deadly dangerous against any team. Even Tendulkar after 40 overs would be tired. But that is where Rohit can go absolutely nuts.

 

[Madplayer]

I think England have the weakest bowling attack among top 6 teams.

 

[Minnowbasher]

England's bowlers are poor full stop. India and Pakistan have miles better bowlers.

 

[ethan hunt]

They are pretty terrible .
Sharjeel and latif massacred them the last time around as well.

 

[The_Odd_One]

England is an overrated team. I think they were 20 runs short.

 

[Itachi]

Seems like op suddenly woke up from hibernation and is amazed at how Pakistan got a win (somewhat fluke but still a win is a win)..... And how is easy it was for India.

 

[hadi123]

I don't rate England's bowling line up tbh. Capable of taking wickets with the new ball, especially Willey but if they don't early, then I fear for them and they could easily concede some large totals.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Seems like op suddenly woke up from hibernation and is amazed at how Pakistan got a win (somewhat fluke but still a win is a win)..... And how is easy it was for India.

Interesting how pretty much every Pakistan win is a fluke. Then Indians on this forum whine that we troll you too much

 

[aloo paratha]

English bowling has been average during their "resurgence", but they've been able to hide behind their batsmens performances. A good team like India wouldn't struggle against this bowling, and they didn't, they have and will further expose England's bowling in the ODI series.

That's one reason I don't back England to win a world cup. Pitches will be handled by ICC, their batsmen won't be able to make 350 every game, and their bowlers can't defend 250 like Pakistan can.

 

[Ali_Pakistan]

English bowling is one of the main reason that I don't think them to be favorites in next year world cup. Obviously with might of Indian batting it would have been difficult for any team to defend a total but this english team has bowlers inferior to even current Aussie bowlers. Don't know why England not pick Curran brothers, Finn and any other young pacer with more passion and agression.

 

[Dingolfy]

English bowling is one of the main reason that I don't think them to be favorites in next year world cup. Obviously with might of Indian batting it would have been difficult for any team to defend a total but this english team has bowlers inferior to even current Aussie bowlers. Don't know why England not pick Curran brothers, Finn and any other young pacer with more passion and agression.

I dont think Finn still has that pace.And pace alone is not going to help you on this pattas.

 

[shaz619]

They're terrible. It's mindblowing England can't find one half decent bowler. Rashid is the only consistent threat. Wood can be a threat but he's always injured.

What [MENTION=865]Big Mac[/MENTION]

 

[Syed1]

England are a minnow side.

 

[GrandMaster]

England side batting first scoring a near 200 score in a T20 decider on their home ground. You would have expected them to win 10 times out of 10 in such situations.

Instead Rohit Sharma and Pandya of all people making merry and knocking off the total with over an over to spare.

Even Bangladesh with their limited bowling resources would have won this comfortably.

This English side without Anderson, Broad and Woakes is minnow level. Thoughts?

People are critical calling the current Aussie side a D-grade team but this English bowling is not too far behind.

LOL! The way you mentioning Rohit and Pandya name as if they are no # 10 and 11 batsmen. @ Topic - TBH I still think current England bowlers are still better than Australian bowlers.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Chasing 200 regardless of who you chase against is always commendable, and to do it without breaking a sweat is highly laudable. India while batting, didn't look to be out of the match at any point.

However, by saying that, England are themselves to blame for the loss. It was a day of totally absurd tactics and team selection from England. Picking Jake Ball was the first blunder, should have gone for Reece Topley. Moeen should have played. Not only because on such small grounds, you need to take the pace off the ball, but also because he is a brilliant finisher as well. Not giving Stokes his full quota of overs was mind boggling especially when he went for under 6. Yes, i understand that he was coming off a lengthy lay off, but international games are not practice matches and you should be able to give your best to play there. Pushing Joss Buttler up to open was another problem in a way. Moving buttler up the order deprives England of a seasoned finisher especially when there is no Moeen or Woakes there. Not counting Stokes as he was way too rusty. They need to address such basic issues. Their hallmark is their depth of batting and the no of options available to bowl yet in this series, it wasn't such a case. Willey would come in at no.7 and afterward it was just Plunkett and Rashid who are pretty much hit or miss. And with regards to their bowling, they barely had 5 proper bowling options.

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

England definitely needs to step up in the bowling department if they want to have a chance at the world cup next year. Batting alone won't win you games.

 

[giri26]

Well I was kind of expecting such a thread on PP. English bowling has been poor for over a year, they haven't suddenly becomes bad. Even last year in the ODI series against India, we out batted them in 2 out of 3 games. They conceded 300+ in all 3 games. So it is not a new thing. The difference is that Indian bowling was able to limit the English batting to manageable totals which Australia weren't able to. This will be the difference between the two sides. India has the variety in the attack and will keep England lower than what they were able to score against Australia and Indian batting will not struggle against Rashid and Moeen.

 

[Dingolfy]

Chasing 200 regardless of who you chase against is always commendable, and to do it without breaking a sweat is highly laudable. India while batting, didn't look to be out of the match at any point.

However, by saying that, England are themselves to blame for the loss. It was a day of totally absurd tactics and team selection from England. Picking Jake Ball was the first blunder, should have gone for Reece Topley. Moeen should have played. Not only because on such small grounds, you need to take the pace off the ball, but also because he is a brilliant finisher as well. Not giving Stokes his full quota of overs was mind boggling especially when he went for under 6. Yes, i understand that he was coming off a lengthy lay off, but international games are not practice matches and you should be able to give your best to play there. Pushing Joss Buttler up to open was another problem in a way. Moving buttler up the order deprives England of a seasoned finisher especially when there is no Moeen or Woakes there. Not counting Stokes as he was way too rusty. They need to address such basic issues. Their hallmark is their depth of batting and the no of options available to bowl yet in this series, it wasn't such a case. Willey would come in at no.7 and afterward it was just Plunkett and Rashid who are pretty much hit or miss. And with regards to their bowling, they barely had 5 proper bowling options.

Moeen would have been massacred today.Good that they didnt play him.

 

[Aman]

England side batting first scoring a near 200 score in a T20 decider on their home ground. You would have expected them to win 10 times out of 10 in such situations.

Instead Rohit Sharma and Pandya of all people making merry and knocking off the total with over an over to spare.

Even Bangladesh with their limited bowling resources would have won this comfortably.

This English side without Anderson, Broad and Woakes is minnow level. Thoughts?

People are critical calling the current Aussie side a D-grade team but this English bowling is not too far behind.

Anderson and Broad are second string in T20s..

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

They desperately need Woakes back. He's probably their best limited-overs bowler and Tom Curran has a lot of potential too. David Wiley and Mark Wood aren't bad but not particularly good either but someone like Jake Ball is bordering on terrible. I've never seen him bowl a threatening spell once.

Too bad they don't have Jofra Archer in the side. If they could somehow fast-track his qualification, he would instantly raise the level of the English bowling attack.

 

[stevewittry]

I am not sure why most posters in this thread consider the current English attack not to be their second string attack.

It's a different issue that the management/ selectors are not playing Anderson, Broad and Woakes but had they played they would have restricted the Indians to under 150. They would never allow Rohit to get the 100 and would have consumed him early in the Powerplay overs. We also know that Anderson would have got Kohli early. The rest would have succumbed to pressure.

Unfortunately with this bowling line up, they were neither potent nor able to build pressure and that is The difference between them and the like of Anderson/ Broad.

 

[giri26]

I am not sure why most posters in this thread consider the current English attack not to be their second string attack.

It's a different issue that the management/ selectors are not playing Anderson, Broad and Woakes but had they played they would have restricted the Indians to under 150. They would never allow Rohit to get the 100 and would have consumed him early in the Powerplay overs. We also know that Anderson would have got Kohli early. The rest would have succumbed to pressure.

Unfortunately with this bowling line up, they were neither potent nor able to build pressure and that is The difference between them and the like of Anderson/ Broad.

Could have, should have, would have, don't have place in cricket. Anderson and Broad don't play T20s and ODIs for a while now. No point in calling them their first string attack. Anderson played his last T20I in 2009 and his last ODI in 2015. Stuart Broad played his last ODI in 2016 and his last T20I in 2014. How are they England's first choice attack? England have played all their LOI cricket over the last few years without them and have had great success. Not sure what you are talking about and this thread does not make any sense. Only Woakes mentioned in your post is current English LOI bowler and he isn't playing due to injury. Australia were playing without Mitchell Starc and Pat Cummins, India played without Bhuvneshwar Kumar, Jasprit Bumrah and Kuldeep Yadav.

Excuses are good to have but what matters in the end is results.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

I am not sure why most posters in this thread consider the current English attack not to be their second string attack.

It's a different issue that the management/ selectors are not playing Anderson, Broad and Woakes but had they played they would have restricted the Indians to under 150. They would never allow Rohit to get the 100 and would have consumed him early in the Powerplay overs. We also know that Anderson would have got Kohli early. The rest would have succumbed to pressure.

Unfortunately with this bowling line up, they were neither potent nor able to build pressure and that is The difference between them and the like of Anderson/ Broad.

Anderson was butchered in india on pitches which were not helpful for fast bowling(left the seeies in between ) . He would have been slaughtered on this patta.

 

[babajee]

Their first choice attack is barely above minnow level.

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

This is certainly a knee-jerk reaction. They had a bad couple matches but in no way are they minnow level.

 

[Big Mac]

What [MENTION=865]Big Mac[/MENTION]

Take it easy, he forgot to add "to the fans sitting in the stands." and couldn't go back and edit it after the time limit.

 

[ssuhaide]

Not sure whats happened to Tymal Mills. He would have perhaps made a difference with the extra pace. Perhaps Dom Bess may get a look in soon, the boy can bat and is improving in the spin department as we speak. Jofra Archer also may wearing an England kit in the near future.

 

[JattMaula]

Don't think England have a first string attack at all. All their bowlers are selected for their added batting abilities. Its part of their game plan. They have put their eggs in one basket and that's fine.

 

[Hasan123]

England 1st choice attack is decent, it does a job. They clearly are backing their batsmen to come good. It's a risky strategy but seems to be working so far.

 

[stevewittry]

An international bowling side that cannot defend 200 in a series decider cannot be classified as a decent attack.

 

[Rahul1]

England side batting first scoring a near 200 score in a T20 decider on their home ground. You would have expected them to win 10 times out of 10 in such situations.

Instead Rohit Sharma and Pandya of all people making merry and knocking off the total with over an over to spare.

Even Bangladesh with their limited bowling resources would have won this comfortably.

This English side without Anderson, Broad and Woakes is minnow level. Thoughts?

People are critical calling the current Aussie side a D-grade team but this English bowling is not too far behind.

What do you mean by Rohit Sharma and Pandya "of all people "?

 

[stevewittry]

Lol lol ! Didn't see you the recent Nidahas Trophy? Bangladesh winning comfortably? Keep crying mate! Rohit is one of the top ODI bastmen in the world and why do you say Rohit of all? Is he some inferior batsman? Show some respect and give the credit where it's due.

A set Rohit will boss any kind of attack. He has punished Australia more than anyone else. Didn't the same "club level" win the game for England in the last match?

What do you mean by Rohit Sharma and Pandya "of all people "?

Ok, Rohit and Pandya are the least likely within the current Indian team to pull off a run chase of this proportion. Rohit for his known vulnerability against swing, seam and pressure situations, whereas Pandya for his limitation against negotiating pace.

 

[JattMaula]

Ok, Rohit and Pandya are the least likely within the current Indian team to pull off a run chase of this proportion. Rohit for his known vulnerability against swing, seam and pressure situations, whereas Pandya for his limitation against negotiating pace.

Pandya and Rohit don't have problem against pace. They have problem against pace with movement in air and off the pitch.