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South Africa's home season this year is famously overloaded, with seven Tests against India and Australia crammed into nine weeks due to the Indian insistence on arriving a month late for the tour that had been set down in the Future Tours programme.

It's obviously practically impossible to play both series and six meaningless ODI's in between.

The India tour was economically important due to the sale of Indian TV rights. It was important too in sporting terms for South Africa to overcome the Number 1 ranked Test team, even though the South African public was supremely disinterested and the Johannesburg Test was attended by only a paltry 34,000 people.

But it was obvious as soon as South Africa had secured the Test series against India that the players' attention leaped ahead to the Australia Test series which starts in just over 3 weeks, while the players are making no attempt to disguise that they couldn't care less about the ODI series against India.

It has reached the point where AB De Villiers, FAF du Plessis and Quinton De Kock are skipping the meaningless India ODIs with minor injuries in an increasingly brazen and blatant attempt to be fully rested and fit for the Test series against Australia.
 
Australians will still win the series. The contest was close when India came up with a good bowling attack. Here, Australians are coming up with a supposedly ATG attack.
 
The ODI's with India are not as meaningless as you said. No 1 ODI's position is at stake.
 
Junaids said:
It has reached the point where AB De Villiers, FAF du Plessis and Quinton De Kock are skipping the meaningless India ODIs with minor injuries in an increasingly brazen and blatant attempt to be fully rested and fit for the Test series against Australia.
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They are ensuring they remain supremely fit for the IPL. DeViliers's heart bleeds for Bangalore.
 
India lost the test series by 2-1. And are 2-0 up in a 6 match ODI series. Still anything can happen in those remaining matches. Let India win the series first before opening the excuses thread because if South Africa makes a comeback and win the series from here you will look like a fool. No offence I just wanted to save you from the humiliation. :inti
 
I actually feel sorry for the Indian tourists - they are being disrespected and they don't deserve that.

I fly out myself in just over a fortnight for the Durban and Port Elizabeth Tests - I can't wait.

But if South Africa had no intention of taking the ODIs against India seriously, they shouldn't have scheduled them.
 
Junaids said:
I actually feel sorry for the Indian tourists - they are being disrespected and they don't deserve that.

I fly out myself in just over a fortnight for the Durban and Port Elizabeth Tests - I can't wait.

But if South Africa had no intention of taking the ODIs against India seriously, they shouldn't have scheduled them.
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ABD is available after 3rd odi and faf played first odi
.De kock played 2 odis as well. A walking wicket against us.
They are already 2-0 against us. DIsrespect would be if they had won the first 2 matches. May be they are scared against india ??
Because we are n.o 1 odi team and test team as well.
We won first two matches like we were playing against sri lanka...
 
Junaids said:
I actually feel sorry for the Indian tourists - they are being disrespected and they don't deserve that.

I fly out myself in just over a fortnight for the Durban and Port Elizabeth Tests - I can't wait.

But if South Africa had no intention of taking the ODIs against India seriously, they shouldn't have scheduled them.
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LOL... we are not being disrespected they will play whoever is fit and available, I guess most Pakistanis on this forum are not able to stomach the fact that we are winning matches abroad that too in SA, so just trying to look for excuses like SA is not interested/ players are keen on IPL/ CSA board is corrupt/ pitches are not favoring them/ et al.

Previously even moderately successful players like Langeveldt, Kemp, Petersen, Tsotsobe, Hayward, Prince, Botha, Ontong, et al used to trump us while playing in SA regardless of format.
 
S.A. are ready to loose their first odi series againstINDIA AND blemish a perfect record for a series against AUS. Also how can loosing a series help win a series in future??????
 
Junaids said:
I actually feel sorry for the Indian tourists - they are being disrespected and they don't deserve that.

I fly out myself in just over a fortnight for the Durban and Port Elizabeth Tests - I can't wait.

But if South Africa had no intention of taking the ODIs against India seriously, they shouldn't have scheduled them.
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I actually feel for you. I can see your pain and frustration of India doing well this tour which you didn't expect. Bad days for you.
 
King Kong said:
I actually feel for you. I can see your pain and frustration of India doing well this tour which you didn't expect. Bad days for you.
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In what way is India doing well?

They only played a full-strength South Africa in the Test series, which they lost 2-1, exactly like both India and Pakistan did in 2006-07.

Unless I've overlooked a series, since South Africa was readmitted to Test cricket in 1993 India has lost every series in South Africa, whereas at least the 1997-98 Pakistan team drew a series there.

India turned up under-prepared for the recent Test series, picked several ODI specialists and lost the series inside eight days. Winning the dead rubber in the Third Test changes nothing.

I just don't understand why South Africa bothers to play this pointless ODI series now, with a B team.

I'm presuming that Cricket South Africa programmed 6 ODI's to maximise sales revenue for the Indian TV rights. But it's plain obvious that the South African elite players are skipping the ODIs against India to be fit and rested for the more important Test series against Australia.
 
ham ko maalum hai "proteas" ki haqiqat lekin
dil ke ḳhush rakhne ko "junaids" ye ḳhayāl achchhā hai
 
Lmao. [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] strikes again, before asking this. I want to ask you something, do runs against South Africa counts or not😉😂
 
What a gem of a thread! :)) kohli would be shaking in his boots at the thought of facing Pehlukwayo who is being kept fresh for Australia.
 
Ab Fan said:
Australians will still win the series. The contest was close when India came up with a good bowling attack. Here, Australians are coming up with a supposedly ATG attack.
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Won't be that easy. Southafrica always play well against Australia. Australia may have the best bowling attack, but their batting is quite fragile. Barring Warner(considering the deck is flat) and Smith they don't have many world class batters. Remember they also have to face bowlers like Rabada, morkel and philander who r easily 3 of the best bowlers in world cricket atm.
 
Nothing to take away from India which has won first two ODIs. But, obviously it upsets the momentum and preparation of a team where in every match you are witnessing an injured player.

First ABD getting injured without playing a match, then Faf after 1st ODI and now Qdk after 2nd ODI. Literally every match is seeing one of their key players getting injured. Amla being out of form and Markham becoming captain only in his second match isnt helping either.

Imagine Kohli, Rohit and Dhoni/Dhawan getting injured within space of two matches. It sure will be a problem.
 
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Junaids said:
In what way is India doing well?

They only played a full-strength South Africa in the Test series, which they lost 2-1, exactly like both India and Pakistan did in 2006-07.

Unless I've overlooked a series, since South Africa was readmitted to Test cricket in 1993 India has lost every series in South Africa, whereas at least the 1997-98 Pakistan team drew a series there.

India turned up under-prepared for the recent Test series, picked several ODI specialists and lost the series inside eight days. Winning the dead rubber in the Third Test changes nothing.

I just don't understand why South Africa bothers to play this pointless ODI series now, with a B team.

I'm presuming that Cricket South Africa programmed 6 ODI's to maximise sales revenue for the Indian TV rights. But it's plain obvious that the South African elite players are skipping the ODIs against India to be fit and rested for the more important Test series against Australia.
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Obviously, you overlooked a series. India drew one in 2010. India have always been competitive in tests in SA.

I'd bring up a couple of points that completely expose this thread (not that your thread was meant for any serious discussion anyway).

1. If SA or its players were really looking forward to Australia series and didn't give a hoot about ODIs, AB would have been rested for full series instead of for just first three ODIs. SA board knew the importance of AB in case India were ahead after the first three.

2. If anything, it's BOWLERS who need most rest. Morkel, Rabada played all three tests and bowled many overs. Since they are playing all ODIs, the very premise of this thread proves zilch.

Sorry Junaids, you should have been more careful before starting this thread. Better luck next time!
 
Is Australia no.1 test ranked side? No. Is Australia no.1 ranked side? No if anything Australia lost 10 out of the last 12 One dayers. They suck balls in one dayers. It is not about saving themselves for anything. They are becoming like West Indian players. They are saving themselves for IPL if anything :)
 
Couple of ODI wins and some can't have a sound sleep.

LOL

What ever floats the OPs wrecked boat.
 
Like Faf and QDK would've set the world on fire with their performances anyway. AB is the only one not playing. These are just excuses nothing more.
 
You didn't have to zigzag this much to say this ODI series is a meaningless one :)). Don't think it's meaningless but looking at the story so far, the absence of one key player and the inability of SA batsmen to tackle spin have made this series less 'competitive' than expected. But that's because India is an exceptionally good ODI side.
 
you know India is playing well when Junaids opens a thread like this 10/10 :)))
 
The series has not even reached halfway mark, and the burn is quite evident.
 
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Sidilicious said:
:))) one of his threads when India was smacking SL left right and centre - “Do runs against SL actually count”?
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We have to be happy he didn't open a thread "SA is saving themselves for West indies"
 
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Junaids said:
South Africa's home season this year is famously overloaded, with seven Tests against India and Australia crammed into nine weeks due to the Indian insistence on arriving a month late for the tour that had been set down in the Future Tours programme.

It's obviously practically impossible to play both series and six meaningless ODI's in between.

The India tour was economically important due to the sale of Indian TV rights. It was important too in sporting terms for South Africa to overcome the Number 1 ranked Test team, even though the South African public was supremely disinterested and the Johannesburg Test was attended by only a paltry 34,000 people.

But it was obvious as soon as South Africa had secured the Test series against India that the players' attention leaped ahead to the Australia Test series which starts in just over 3 weeks, while the players are making no attempt to disguise that they couldn't care less about the ODI series against India.

It has reached the point where AB De Villiers, FAF du Plessis and Quinton De Kock are skipping the meaningless India ODIs with minor injuries in an increasingly brazen and blatant attempt to be fully rested and fit for the Test series against Australia.
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Sorry to burst this narrative, but AB had to be cajoled into playing Tests at all and is only playing for SA because he wants to win the World Cup, he doesn't even care about anything else.
 
The pain one must be experiencing to open a thread like this. :(

Almost to the 'Runs against SL' level thread.
 
I think India is getting a dose of its own medicine for not trying too hard in the CT 2017 final ,saving them for the Test matches.
 
South Africa will start winning when rohit sharma scores ton. Maybe tomorrow?
 
They have got genuine injuries. No need to disrespect South African players.
 
Junaids said:
South Africa's home season this year is famously overloaded, with seven Tests against India and Australia crammed into nine weeks due to the Indian insistence on arriving a month late for the tour that had been set down in the Future Tours programme.

It's obviously practically impossible to play both series and six meaningless ODI's in between.

The India tour was economically important due to the sale of Indian TV rights. It was important too in sporting terms for South Africa to overcome the Number 1 ranked Test team, even though the South African public was supremely disinterested and the Johannesburg Test was attended by only a paltry 34,000 people.

But it was obvious as soon as South Africa had secured the Test series against India that the players' attention leaped ahead to the Australia Test series which starts in just over 3 weeks, while the players are making no attempt to disguise that they couldn't care less about the ODI series against India.

It has reached the point where AB De Villiers, FAF du Plessis and Quinton De Kock are skipping the meaningless India ODIs with minor injuries in an increasingly brazen and blatant attempt to be fully rested and fit for the Test series against Australia.
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Welll it has become "MEANINGLESS" for some People bcoz 🇮🇳 Thrashing South Africa Comprehensivly...IYKWIM
 
AamchiMumbaikar said:
LOL... we are not being disrespected they will play whoever is fit and available, I guess most Pakistanis on this forum are not able to stomach the fact that we are winning matches abroad that too in SA, so just trying to look for excuses like SA is not interested/ players are keen on IPL/ CSA board is corrupt/ pitches are not favoring them/ et al.

Previously even moderately successful players like Langeveldt, Kemp, Petersen, Tsotsobe, Hayward, Prince, Botha, Ontong, et al used to trump us while playing in SA regardless of format.
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Good post ...Not all but few Pak fans here are finding such excuses for SA. We all know how seriously CSA takes India tour, they thrown out Haroon Logart as soon as he made blunder in GLT20 ..One more driving force for his ouster was his strained relation with BCCI. Last 2 tours of India to CSA were curtailed because that idiot.

Hopefully we will get 4 test series next time ...!
 
Junaids said:
I actually feel sorry for the Indian tourists - they are being disrespected and they don't deserve that.

I fly out myself in just over a fortnight for the Durban and Port Elizabeth Tests - I can't wait.

But if South Africa had no intention of taking the ODIs against India seriously, they shouldn't have scheduled them.
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I can Feel Your pain bro...U r absolutely making Fool of Urself through ths thread..Keep it Up
 
Titan24 said:
Nothing to take away from India which has won first two ODIs. But, obviously it upsets the momentum and preparation of a team where in every match you are witnessing an injured player.

First ABD getting injured without playing a match, then Faf after 1st ODI and now Qdk after 2nd ODI. Literally every match is seeing one of their key players getting injured. Amla being out of form and Markham becoming captain only in his second match isnt helping either.

Imagine Kohli, Rohit and Dhoni/Dhawan getting injured within space of two matches. It sure will be a problem.
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All 3 injuries happened while playing vs India.

AB and Faf while trying to catch Kohli at slip and De Cock by Bumhrah bouncer.

So, it's all not planned earlier to be fresh for AUS test, which Dr. Junaids trying to convince everyone :facepalm:

Imagine the reaction from SA supporters if they lose 6-0 :kohli2

Hope SA gives some fight in remaining matches and help Ind team to prepare well for WC.
 
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AamchiMumbaikar said:
LOL... we are not being disrespected they will play whoever is fit and available, I guess most Pakistanis on this forum are not able to stomach the fact that we are winning matches abroad that too in SA, so just trying to look for excuses like SA is not interested/ players are keen on IPL/ CSA board is corrupt/ pitches are not favoring them/ et al.

Previously even moderately successful players like Langeveldt, Kemp, Petersen, Tsotsobe, Hayward, Prince, Botha, Ontong, et al used to trump us while playing in SA regardless of format.
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Pakistan was the first Asian team to win an ODI series in South Africa, so why would a Pakistan fret over how India is doing there? For fans of a team who is number 1 in the rankings right now, your insecurity and victim mentality is laughable to say the least.
 
South Africa were done with India by the the time the second test was over. It's clear they were least bothered for the 3rd test dead rubber. India need to flatter themselves by beating South Africa's second choice team on surfaces that look more Vidya Balan than Charlize Theron.
 
Only fools will think that SA don't care about rankings in tests or ODIs or T20s...they competed hard to beat India 3-0 in tests to avenge their 3-0 loss in India...it would have gotten them closer to that coveted number one rank...but India was too good for them in 3rd test..
Now ODIs they are desperately trying to maintain their first rank which means the world to them..pak fans don't understand number one rank as their team has been in the bottom 3 for few years now...
 
RainMan_ said:
Won't be that easy. Southafrica always play well against Australia. Australia may have the best bowling attack, but their batting is quite fragile. Barring Warner(considering the deck is flat) and Smith they don't have many world class batters. Remember they also have to face bowlers like Rabada, morkel and philander who r easily 3 of the best bowlers in world cricket atm.
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What? SA is yet to win a series at home vs Aus after readmission. Even the 47 allout series was won by Aus. SA do not have it in them to win at home against Aus and vice versa also seems to be true
 
Quinton DeKock being injured is actually bad for India. He was India's 12th man in the Test and Odi series so far - a sitting duck. digressed has his form so much that he seems to be unable to hold his bat properly. I would not be surprised if the injury is actually a diversion for him to practice for Aus series with his batting coach. Nothing wrong in that!
 
The only thing SA is saving is Quinton De Kock’s career. A couple more failures and his position could be in jeopardy.

Faf was never a good ODI player. ABD is their only player who could impact the game that is missing.
 
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What? SA is yet to win a series at home vs Aus after readmission. Even the 47 allout series was won by Aus. SA do not have it in them to win at home against Aus and vice versa also seems to be true
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Why not? Australia have played well every time they toured south africa. Similarly saffers have also hammered Australia in Australia quite a number of times. Both teams have played well in each other's ground.

This means in terms of strength, there is negligible differences between these two and both of them have the possibility of winning the series.

My objection was about the way some ppl were writing off southafrica even before the start of the series.
 
King Kong said:
Obviously, you overlooked a series. India drew one in 2010. India have always been competitive in tests in SA.

I'd bring up a couple of points that completely expose this thread (not that your thread was meant for any serious discussion anyway).

1. If SA or its players were really looking forward to Australia series and didn't give a hoot about ODIs, AB would have been rested for full series instead of for just first three ODIs. SA board knew the importance of AB in case India were ahead after the first three.

2. If anything, it's BOWLERS who need most rest. Morkel, Rabada played all three tests and bowled many overs. Since they are playing all ODIs, the very premise of this thread proves zilch.

Sorry Junaids, you should have been more careful before starting this thread. Better luck next time!
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Did he respond to this? I am guessing obviously not. In a quest to diss a particular team, some folks do not do their research and end up starting a thread with alt reality.

Anyone with a semblance of cricketing knowledge would realize India is the biggest money drawer and hence ODI And T20 series, even with a 'B' team is a must else how will they account for a drop of the millions of dollars lost in the failed Global T20 tournament which never took off. But I guess when agenda is something else, no point driving home the facts!
 
I really did not understand the logic behind the OP.
How is not playing a series with team A going to help a team win against team B ?
Wont the SA players need match practice to defeat Aus? Staying away from game preactice is hoing to help how?? Hooow???
Are the players so fragile that they will get injured or break in one series before the other starts?

By that logic ,I am assuming next time Pakistan has a series against BD followed by one with Australia... in order to win the one with Aussies....the best prepartion for Pakistan team players would be to loose the series with BD by resting the best players by feigning injuries?
Genius strategy I guess :)))
Make the OP.. Pakistan's coach :))) and a series win in Aus/Eng is inevitable.
 
AamchiMumbaikar said:
LOL... we are not being disrespected they will play whoever is fit and available, I guess most Pakistanis on this forum are not able to stomach the fact that we are winning matches abroad that too in SA, so just trying to look for excuses like SA is not interested/ players are keen on IPL/ CSA board is corrupt/ pitches are not favoring them/ et al.

Previously even moderately successful players like Langeveldt, Kemp, Petersen, Tsotsobe, Hayward, Prince, Botha, Ontong, et al used to trump us while playing in SA regardless of format.
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He supports England.

Try again.
 
India have been the better team . South Africa obviously want to win this series and they are planning for the 2019 WC which is very important for the players as a lot of them will be calling it a day after that tournament. As much I will enjoy watching Australia vs South Africa, South African players would rather win the 2019 WC than win the series versus Australia.
 
SA should learn to play leg spin better. They are getting destroyed by Kuldeep and Chahal.
 
Absolutlely. The only 2 countries we South Africans really like to play is England and Australia.

Nothing wrong with that
 
Winning a 'dead rubber test match' ensured India will remain top team despite SA winning 4-0 against Aus.

B grade SA team is capable of beating most sides around especially in SA.

No such a thing as JAMODIS when India is playing. India is the only team that's saving this format.
 
mp812rediff said:
I really did not understand the logic behind the OP.
How is not playing a series with team A going to help a team win against team B ?
Wont the SA players need match practice to defeat Aus? Staying away from game preactice is hoing to help how?? Hooow???
Are the players so fragile that they will get injured or break in one series before the other starts?

By that logic ,I am assuming next time Pakistan has a series against BD followed by one with Australia... in order to win the one with Aussies....the best prepartion for Pakistan team players would be to loose the series with BD by resting the best players by feigning injuries?
Genius strategy I guess :)))
Make the OP.. Pakistan's coach :))) and a series win in Aus/Eng is inevitable.
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It's complex, isn't it?

Until the Big Three putsch, Cricket South Africa had almost the same income as the BCCI.

Now the ICC pays the BCCI four times as much as it pays CSA, and Cricket South Africa is dependent upon the sales from TV rights to Indian private TV broadcasters to pay its bills.

Everybody knows that CSA's plan for this southern summer was to host 3 India Tests roughly 14-18 December at Johannesburg, 26-30 December at Durban and then 2-6 January at Cape Town. This would maximize ticket sales and local ratings and advertising by playing the matches when the whole country is on holiday over Christmas and New Year.

There were then due to be a few meaningless ODIs largely for Indian TV, a few First Class games to keep the Test team in form, and then in March a full Test series v Australia, which would similarly cover the Easter holidays.

The BCCI complicated this by refusing to tour at the agreed time - the Christmas / New Year holidays - which pushed the India series back by 3 weeks.

That pushing back by 3 weeks meant that domestic ticket sales and TV ratings and advertising revenue went down the toilet, because everyone was back at work by the time the India series started.

But it also meant that the players had no rest and recovery time between two huge Test series against India and Australia.

And while India's Number 1 ranking is entirely based on home performance (they lost their last series in every single one of Australia, England, New Zealand and South Africa), everyone knows that South African conditions are near identical to Australian ones, and Australia's strong bowling attack makes them favourites to win in South Africa.

But then you have to understand too that an ODI series is terrible preparation for a Test series. Australia will win the Test series if the likes of Markram, Du Plessis, Amla and De Villiers try to play shots to deliveries outside off-stump. The ODI series would require them to do so to score runs, but in the Tests there is a slip cordon and they just can't afford to.

I'm fairly clear that at the South African end, this ODI series v India is just a commercial enterprise to maximize the sales value of the TV rights in the Indian market.

And I'm equally clear that minor injuries are being milked to give the elite players a break before the much more important Test series against Australia.
 
Hitman said:
More than that, he hates India.
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I have actually said in this thread that I find it disrespectful to India that South Africa is clearly using trivial minor injuries to rest key players for the more important Test series against Australia.

As I've written in Post 60, this ODI series - and the retiming of the India Test series for after the South African Christmas / New Year holiday program - is an obvious consequence of the original (and newer revised) Big Three Putsch making South Africa economically dependent upon sale of TV rights to private Indian broadcasters.

Before the Big Three, Cricket South Africa would have said to the BCCI "you're invited to play 4 Tests mid-December to mid-January, take it or leave it."

But now that all the other Boards' ICC money has been diverted to the BCCI, Cricket South Africa has to accept whatever the BCCI offers.

So the Tests were scheduled for when everybody was back at work, and the ODI series has been scheduled for when the South African Test players need a break.
 
And I'm equally clear that minor injuries are being milked to give the elite players a break before the much more important Test series against Australia.
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Spot on. AB was spotted playing golf and Dale Steyn was seen surfing
 
akki said:
ABD is available after 3rd odi and faf played first odi
.De kock played 2 odis as well. A walking wicket against us.
They are already 2-0 against us. DIsrespect would be if they had won the first 2 matches. May be they are scared against india ??
Because we are n.o 1 odi team and test team as well.
We won first two matches like we were playing against sri lanka...
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Lol what? He may be out of form but De kock averages 64 against India in ODIs and has five tons to his name. Walking Wicket :))
 
Thing is our bowling line up is giving people headaches.Bumrah(24),Bhuvi(27),Kuldeep(23),Chahal(27) is very young and rocking it -they will stay in place until not just 2019 WC,but 2023 WC in India.These wrist spinners are going to make several teams shake,because they are bowling so slow that it will turn even on flat or seaming tracks.Most of the batsmen have never played a chinaman bowler in their whole life,can't practice in the nets due to lack of such bowlers and can't pick his googly at all.
 
This whole talk of South Africans not taking ODIs is false. If anything, they are king if bilaterals. They won't want to lose any game, let alone series.
 
BaankeJi said:
This whole talk of South Africans not taking ODIs is false. If anything, they are king if bilaterals. They won't want to lose any game, let alone series.
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If the Springboks were serious than they would not have selected JP Duminy, Miller , Zondo, Tabraiz and Morris
 
Junaids said:
I have actually said in this thread that I find it disrespectful to India that South Africa is clearly using trivial minor injuries to rest key players for the more important Test series against Australia.

As I've written in Post 60, this ODI series - and the retiming of the India Test series for after the South African Christmas / New Year holiday program - is an obvious consequence of the original (and newer revised) Big Three Putsch making South Africa economically dependent upon sale of TV rights to private Indian broadcasters.

Before the Big Three, Cricket South Africa would have said to the BCCI "you're invited to play 4 Tests mid-December to mid-January, take it or leave it."

But now that all the other Boards' ICC money has been diverted to the BCCI, Cricket South Africa has to accept whatever the BCCI offers.

So the Tests were scheduled for when everybody was back at work, and the ODI series has been scheduled for when the South African Test players need a break.
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Okay but let me ask you this, why aren't Rabada and Morkel rested as well. These two along with Philander will be their main weapon against SA considering Steyn is hardly fit enough to play anymore. Why would they risk playing their premier test bowlers on this meaningless "Do not Care" series when they know they can get injured and miss the entire Australia series. Also why is DeVilliers returning for the 4th ODI? Why can't they just rest the entire series to prepare for Australia, like Kohli did against SL missing both the ODI/T20 series.
 
springbok said:
If the Springboks were serious than they would not have selected JP Duminy, Miller , Zondo, Tabraiz and Morris
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All these players are part of their system for a long time now. They do not have players to replace them in the X1. SA have been playing with JP, Miller and Morris for a long time now. If they had replacements they would have played them, unfortunately they don't. This exact team plus ABD and Faf played against India and Pakistan in CT 2017. Not sure what you are talking about.
 
I don't think so.

Rabada and Morkel are a key part of their attack and will be playing every match. If they're looking ahead to AUS then this is an awfully unorganized way of doing it.

On top of this, De Kock actually needs to spend time out in the middle to get his form back.

AND it seems incredibly illogical to rest/save younger batsmen while Amla at the age of 34 is going out to play every match.
 
Such a laughable thought. A number one ranked western team don't mind loosing series to a sub-continent side while trying to rest their key player faking injury to stay fresh for another western teams(Aus) tour ?
OP here can't digest the fact that India is doing so well in alien conditions against a top team , that too after many posters here label them as home condition bullies . :uakmal
 
agreed with junaids here. first two test matches SA was serious but 3rd one they played casually. first two ODIs have been non serious aswell, so till now its 2-0 SA in seriously played match in this tour.
prediction for 3rd ODI :
if India wins and kohli does well: JAMODI played non seriously by SA B team
if india and kohli fails: it was tge only opportunity for kohli to prove himself, and as expected he failed.
 
Titan24 said:
Nothing to take away from India which has won first two ODIs. But, obviously it upsets the momentum and preparation of a team where in every match you are witnessing an injured player.
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If players like de Kock get injured playing Indian pacers, then it shows a weakness of the SA batsmen. If they can't handle Indian pace then too bad for them.
 
In today’s third ODI, South Africa has only picked three members of its first choice Test eleven, while India has picked seven.
 
Despite all this saving their players....it would be hilarious if SA lost to India this ODI series ( a team to which they never lost and ODI series in SA)_....then went on to loose to Australia too....oh wait maybe they will loose series to Aus as preparation for series after that.
This is a masterstroke genius strategy and Micky Arthur should implement it too
 
mp812rediff said:
Despite all this saving their players....it would be hilarious if SA lost to India this ODI series ( a team to which they never lost and ODI series in SA)_....then went on to loose to Australia too....oh wait maybe they will loose series to Aus as preparation for series after that.
This is a masterstroke genius strategy and Micky Arthur should implement it too
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Nah nah. Dont you realise, they have been losing all WC QFs/SFs so that they can beat Eng and Aus in the Test series later.
 
Fauf: oh what is the point in playing no.1 team in the world. We have to prepare against Australia. Let me fracture my finger. That will fool everyone
 
Junaids said:
South Africa's home season this year is famously overloaded, with seven Tests against India and Australia crammed into nine weeks due to the Indian insistence on arriving a month late for the tour that had been set down in the Future Tours programme.

It's obviously practically impossible to play both series and six meaningless ODI's in between.

The India tour was economically important due to the sale of Indian TV rights. It was important too in sporting terms for South Africa to overcome the Number 1 ranked Test team, even though the South African public was supremely disinterested and the Johannesburg Test was attended by only a paltry 34,000 people.

But it was obvious as soon as South Africa had secured the Test series against India that the players' attention leaped ahead to the Australia Test series which starts in just over 3 weeks, while the players are making no attempt to disguise that they couldn't care less about the ODI series against India.

It has reached the point where AB De Villiers, FAF du Plessis and Quinton De Kock are skipping the meaningless India ODIs with minor injuries in an increasingly brazen and blatant attempt to be fully rested and fit for the Test series against Australia.
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It has to be said, they are nothing but not committed to being uncommitted. Permitting India to thrash them at home like this. Almost as good Pakistan letting NZ crush us in the last Test series, in preparation for letting Australia whip us next, which meant nothing because the important thing was to let ourselves be trampled subsequently by Sri Lanka. Nothing beats winning like loosing.
 
mp812rediff said:
Despite all this saving their players....it would be hilarious if SA lost to India this ODI series ( a team to which they never lost and ODI series in SA)_....then went on to loose to Australia too....oh wait maybe they will loose series to Aus as preparation for series after that.
This is a masterstroke genius strategy and Micky Arthur should implement it too
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He already as. See above.
 
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