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Are the South Africans saving themselves for the series against Australia?

IndianFan2018 said:
Shadab could have made the impact which Chahal and Kuldeep made in SA series, pitches in NZ are not conducive to spinners, but still he could have helped Pak win 1 match at-least out of 5. Rated so high by Pak fans, not much we neutrals have seen in him yet like Babar.
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Neutrals have seen quite a bit in him. Indian fans haven't, not our problem is it. As an overall cricketer, Shadab is one of the hottest commodities in world cricket. The guy got a BBL contract in his first year of international cricket.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Neutrals have seen quite a bit in him. Indian fans haven't, not our problem is it. As an overall cricketer, Shadab is one of the hottest commodities in world cricket. The guy got a BBL contract in his first year of international cricket.
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When BBL contract has become benchmark ..Lol :facepalm:

Don't get me wrong, Shadab looks promising but yet to become world class !
 
Third_Umpire said:
Are these two teams still playing??

Didn't the test series end a month ago?
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Yes it did. But you have pay the bills for the test series. That is what is happening now. The revenue making portion of the series is ongoing.
 
USofA said:
Yes it did. But you have pay the bills for the test series. That is what is happening now. The revenue making portion of the series is ongoing.
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Which means that the part of the tour that more people are interested in watching is going on right now.
 
Oh Australia you are in for a thrashing sòon. S.A. has prepared and saved the best for you as currently they have lost series 5 - 1 And behind in t20 series
 
At the moment it seems like it’s SA who are poor and not that India had improved. Had it not been for AB here they would have been blown away for under 100. Let’s see if they can improve from here.
 
Sidilicious said:
Is this what they were saving themselves for?
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Obviously, yes.

Du Plessis, De Villiers and De Kock have all miraculously recovered in time for the First Test.

I don’t think that South Africa prioritised the Australia Tests over the India ones.

They just prioritised the Australia Tests over the India ODI and T20 series.
 
So, prioritising the OZ tests has led to SA getting destroyed in the ODI series and possibly losing this test. Maybe, wins against South Africa don't count. :)
 
So if there is a test series with AUS right after ODI WC, will they still save for the tests and let WC go.......as they always do???
 
IAJ said:
At the moment it seems like it’s SA who are poor and not that India had improved. Had it not been for AB here they would have been blown away for under 100. Let’s see if they can improve from here.
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Without improving Ind was able to retain No. 1 test ranking! Great effort King Kohli and Team :kohli2 :facepalm:
 
Junaids said:
Obviously, yes.

Du Plessis, De Villiers and De Kock have all miraculously recovered in time for the First Test.

I don’t think that South Africa prioritised the Australia Tests over the India ones.

They just prioritised the Australia Tests over the India ODI and T20 series.
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Your conspiracy theory got debunked still depending it :facepalm:
 
Junaids said:
Obviously, yes.

Du Plessis, De Villiers and De Kock have all miraculously recovered in time for the First Test.

I don’t think that South Africa prioritised the Australia Tests over the India ones.

They just prioritised the Australia Tests over the India ODI and T20 series.
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Doesnt stand even basic scrutiny ... Faf played one , QDK played first 3 and got injured during the 3rd ... but the main problem with your theory is ABD who played last 3 ODIs instead of resting and Amla playing all ODIs.

But then again this thread like with most other threads that you create has no basis on real facts and they are really not necessary here isnt it ? You are click-bait master :)
 
This is the equivalent of Joe Root shunning international duties for the IPL, then going unsold in the auction. :91:
 
kuskash said:
So if there is a test series with AUS right after ODI WC, will they still save for the tests and let WC go.......as they always do???
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I don’t see why not.

If you consider Pakistan, their victory in a five Test series in England in 1992 was viewed at the time as a far bigger deal than their World Cup victory 3 months earlier.

A much, much bigger deal.

I’ve been a lover of Pakistan cricket for 40 years. And it’s far more important to me that they win the Test series in South Africa in December 2018 than the ODI World Cup in June 2019.

Just as I would have ranked an Indian victory in the recent 3 Test series in South Africa as bigger and more valuable than both their ODI World Cup victories combined.

Tests matter. (Okay, the big series do).

ODI cricket is just TV wallpaper for people without the patience to follow a more complex and testing form of the game.
 
Heard this test match has poor attendance? Good thing this joke of a relic is going to the grave faster than I thought.
 
Still no explaination why Rabada,Morkel and Ngidi weren't rested for ODI series.They all played in ODI series against India along with then no 1 Odi bowler Tahir.

I mean resting Key fast bowlers is the no 1 priority like Australia been doing over the years.For ex-Australia rested Starc and hazlewood for ODI series in SA(2016) and India(2017).Although Australia full strength team isn't great either because they couldn't qualify for semifinal in Champion Trophy and lost series against England at home.
 
Terrific way of Saving the best against Australia! This is what mattered! Oh no, South Africa are saving their best for Pakistan in Pakistan after 30 years!
 
Junaids said:
I don’t see why not.

If you consider Pakistan, their victory in a five Test series in England in 1992 was viewed at the time as a far bigger deal than their World Cup victory 3 months earlier.

A much, much bigger deal.

I’ve been a lover of Pakistan cricket for 40 years. And it’s far more important to me that they win the Test series in South Africa in December 2018 than the ODI World Cup in June 2019.

Just as I would have ranked an Indian victory in the recent 3 Test series in South Africa as bigger and more valuable than both their ODI World Cup victories combined.

Tests matter. (Okay, the big series do).

ODI cricket is just TV wallpaper for people without the patience to follow a more complex and testing form of the game.
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You can keep arguing on how test cricket is the main format but the audience coming in shorter formats compared to tests proves how baseless your comments are.
To say that teams would send weaker teams for wc in order to save players for test series just shows how biased your views are and do not mean much. There are only a few people who support tests over other formats like you do and that is the reason they are always going in losses. No one wants to see team crawling to 250 after playing full day of cricket especially even if pitch is demon free.
No team in world has ever played a weak team in wcs to preserve their players for test series and it will never happen.
Also the thread you made shows how much you want to put down achievments by the indian team.
South africa did not intentionally rest any of their players for odi series. Faf's comeback was not cinfirmed even for first test. Quinton was out after 3 matches with omly 3 to go. They were over within a week and it would take atleast a week to recover from an injury. Abd came back when he was expected and although steyn hardly plays odis he is still not fit to be included in test team.
Also you would most likely know that fast bowlers or senior players are most likely to be benched. Both rabbada and morkel played 5 matches each while amla played all.
For t20 matches your logic is correct and infact the south africans themselves agreed to this. Hope you would reply and explain how the players were rested and not injured for one day series and since when did the test series become more important than world cups.
 
India missed the golden chance by pathetic team strategies! One score near to 400 would have suffocated and demoralized South Africa and they would have handed over 3-0 easily! Australia nailed it!
 
kuskash said:
So if there is a test series with AUS right after ODI WC, will they still save for the tests and let WC go.......as they always do???
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Teshi98 said:
You can keep arguing on how test cricket is the main format but the audience coming in shorter formats compared to tests proves how baseless your comments are.
To say that teams would send weaker teams for wc in order to save players for test series just shows how biased your views are and do not mean much. There are only a few people who support tests over other formats like you do and that is the reason they are always going in losses. No one wants to see team crawling to 250 after playing full day of cricket especially even if pitch is demon free.
No team in world has ever played a weak team in wcs to preserve their players for test series and it will never happen.
Also the thread you made shows how much you want to put down achievments by the indian team.
South africa did not intentionally rest any of their players for odi series. Faf's comeback was not cinfirmed even for first test. Quinton was out after 3 matches with omly 3 to go. They were over within a week and it would take atleast a week to recover from an injury. Abd came back when he was expected and although steyn hardly plays odis he is still not fit to be included in test team.
Also you would most likely know that fast bowlers or senior players are most likely to be benched. Both rabbada and morkel played 5 matches each while amla played all.
For t20 matches your logic is correct and infact the south africans themselves agreed to this. Hope you would reply and explain how the players were rested and not injured for one day series and since when did the test series become more important than world cups.
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You don’t quite understand.

If I was an established top level cricketer, I’d play Test cricket and probably also T20 leagues for the money.

I’d only play domestic and international 20 and 50 over cricket until I’d convinced IPL teams to sign me. Then I’d stop.

I might re-emerge for World Cups only. Remember, Trent Boult didn’t play ODI cricket until the 2015 World Cup.

But I wouldn’t play any bilateral white ball international cricket: the money is paltry and I’d rather extend my career by limiting myself to Tests and IPL. (I’m not Pakistani! :) )

So if I was Ben Stokes, I’d play IPL and red ball cricket only.

If I was Mitchell Starc, again, I’d play IPL and red ball cricket only.
 
Junaids said:
I don’t see why not.

If you consider Pakistan, their victory in a five Test series in England in 1992 was viewed at the time as a far bigger deal than their World Cup victory 3 months earlier.

A much, much bigger deal.

I’ve been a lover of Pakistan cricket for 40 years. And it’s far more important to me that they win the Test series in South Africa in December 2018 than the ODI World Cup in June 2019.

Just as I would have ranked an Indian victory in the recent 3 Test series in South Africa as bigger and more valuable than both their ODI World Cup victories combined.

Tests matter. (Okay, the big series do).

ODI cricket is just TV wallpaper for people without the patience to follow a more complex and testing form of the game.
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Speak for yourself ...

Ask common man in Pak or India you will get the answer .. WC wins do matter same as test away wins.

WC'83 and WC'2011 for India / WC'92 for Pak are huge moments for many cricket fans from respective countries :19:
 
Junaids said:
You don’t quite understand.

If I was an established top level cricketer, I’d play Test cricket and probably also T20 leagues for the money.

I’d only play domestic and international 20 and 50 over cricket until I’d convinced IPL teams to sign me. Then I’d stop.

I might re-emerge for World Cups only. Remember, Trent Boult didn’t play ODI cricket until the 2015 World Cup.

But I wouldn’t play any bilateral white ball international cricket: the money is paltry and I’d rather extend my career by limiting myself to Tests and IPL. (I’m not Pakistani! :) )

So if I was Ben Stokes, I’d play IPL and red ball cricket only.

If I was Mitchell Starc, again, I’d play IPL and red ball cricket only.
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So your clairvoyant skills now not only tell you about a single team but about every cricketer alive, can you tell me does abd think he can score a 100 in 2nd innings and what does Kohli think when he bats? heck i would like to know what Bradman thought when he batted you must know right?
 
RamLakhan said:
India missed the golden chance by pathetic team strategies! One score near to 400 would have suffocated and demoralized South Africa and they would have handed over 3-0 easily! Australia nailed it!
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Exactly!

If India had picked Test specialists they would have won 3-0 and we would all recognise them as the Number 1 Test team.

Instead we all say “they have a bloated ranking because they have recently played Australia, England and South Africa at home”.

India had one shot at being recognised as the best Test team in the world. And they blew it with stupid team selections.
 
Junaids said:
Exactly!

If India had picked Test specialists they would have won 3-0 and we would all recognise them as the Number 1 Test team.

Instead we all say “they have a bloated ranking because they have recently played Australia, England and South Africa at home”.

India had one shot at being recognised as the best Test team in the world. And they blew it with stupid team selections.
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Is SA series is the end of the World for Team India? :facepalm:

Eng and AUS tours coming next ...Thanks for worrying about the team (which you hate from heart) :ashwin
 
IndianFan2018 said:
Speak for yourself ...

Ask common man in Pak or India you will get the answer .. WC wins do matter same as test away wins.

WC'83 and WC'2011 for India / WC'92 for Pak are huge moments for many cricket fans from respective countries :19:
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Problem is as an England fan he doesnt know it ... given how England have struggled for 40+ years and 11 worldcups despite bieng the hosts for 4 Worldcups ( next year will be their 5th ) .

So therefore these are all coping mechanisms. Grapes being sour and all that to keep pretending that the World Cups dont matter. :))
 
Junaids said:
Exactly!

If India had picked Test specialists they would have won 3-0 and we would all recognise them as the Number 1 Test team.
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lol that doesnt say much about the supposedly superior TEST Team of SA who were soundly beaten by ODI specialists(Only Vijay, Pujara and Ishant are Test Specialist) on a dangerous track and were fervently praying that the 3rd Test be cancelled at one point.

Instead we all say “they have a bloated ranking because they have recently played Australia, England and South Africa at home”.
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Or that AUS/Eng/SA are useless in India . India have won/drawn more matches in AUS/ENG/SA than AUS/ENG/SA in Ind

India had one shot at being recognised as the best Test team in the world. And they blew it with stupid team selections.
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Take a look at who holds the Test Mace and the $1 Mill prize money ... That too presented on SA soil :) SA had a golden chance to win the mace by beating India in the 3rd Test and being in contention.
 
Tusker said:
Take a look at who holds the Test Mace and the $1 Mill prize money ... That too presented on SA soil :) SA had a golden chance to win the mace by beating India in the 3rd Test and being in contention.
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India blew its chance to win the #1 Junaids Test ranking the the $2 million prize he offers.
 
IndianFan2018 said:
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Is SA series is the end of the World for Team India? :facepalm:

Eng and AUS tours coming next ...Thanks for worrying about the team (which you hate from heart) :ashwin
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It doesn’t matter.

The ICC Mace is irrelevant - even Misbah lifted it.

The West Indies lost one series (by 1 wicket) from 1976 to 1995.

Imran Khan’s Pakistan lost one series from 1985 to 1993.

It doesn’t matter now whether India win in England and then Australia this year.

They have just lost a (very winnable) series in South Africa, so this team will never be anything special.
 
The OP has no credibility left as he has failed to explain why India left out most of its test regulars in the white ball leg

Ashwin
Saha
Pujara
KL Rahul
Murali Vijay
Shami
Jadeja

The list is endless....
 
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Junaids said:
It doesn’t matter.

The ICC Mace is irrelevant - even Misbah lifted it.

The West Indies lost one series (by 1 wicket) from 1976 to 1995.

Imran Khan’s Pakistan lost one series from 1985 to 1993.

It doesn’t matter now whether India win in England and then Australia this year.

They have just lost a (very winnable) series in South Africa, so this team will never be anything special.
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Misbah had the ICC mace for 1 month. India has it for more than a year and you get the $1 mn prize money only if you keep the mace at the April cut off date.

But lets not talk logic.

JunaidS will hardly decide how special a team is.
 
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Junaids said:
It doesn’t matter.

The ICC Mace is irrelevant - even Misbah lifted it.

The West Indies lost one series (by 1 wicket) from 1976 to 1995.

Imran Khan’s Pakistan lost one series from 1985 to 1993.

It doesn’t matter now whether India win in England and then Australia this year.

They have just lost a (very winnable) series in South Africa, so this team will never be anything special.
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Junaid bhai, you should revisit the posts on PP when Misbah lifted the mace, so calling its being irrelevant is only in your mind and not for other PP members. Just speak for yourself, others are not as biased and bitter as you are.
 
Junaids said:
Imran Khan’s Pakistan lost one series from 1985 to 1993.
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You are simply making up stuff.

From 1985 to 1993 Pakistan played 6 series in Aus/NZ/WI, and they lost 3 of those series, NZ (1985), Aus (1990) and WI (1993). More significantly they were not able to win a series in WI or Aus, the two premier teams. Of the six series, they won only one against NZ. They only visited Australia once in these years.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/team/series_results.html?class=1;id=7;type=team

I have no doubt that India in the coming years will do better.
 
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So now the ICC Mace doesn't matter. Yet the OP keeps harping how Test cricket matters the most, far more than World Cups :))
 
Hitman said:
So now the ICC Mace doesn't matter. Yet the OP keeps harping how Test cricket matters the most, far more than World Cups :))
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Because India is the rightful owner of the mace !

Anything which India is having will be useless for OP's biased mind :facepalm:
 
IndianFan2018 said:
Because India is the rightful owner of the mace !

Anything which India is having will be useless for OP's biased mind :facepalm:
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The most hilarious bit being no one including us Indians ever claimed this Indian team to be anywhere as good as the West Indies of the 80's or the Aussies of the 00'

And yet the Test maze of ours suddenly becomes useless just because we weren't as good as them. Hello, the Test Maze is given to the most dominating Test team currently. It's not given when a team can prove themselves to be as good as those two teams I mentioned.

The OP is so pathetic with his bias against India, it's not even funny anymore. And most of all even Pakistani fans can now see it crystal clear.
 
Hitman said:
So now the ICC Mace doesn't matter. Yet the OP keeps harping how Test cricket matters the most, far more than World Cups :))
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1992 World Cup win didnot matter to Pakistan. It was not important.

Another Gem.
 
Well done AB, Rabada, Markram, Morkel and the rest.

One of SA's special wins.
 
Rightarmfast said:
Are the Australians saving their best for the Zimbabwe tour? How else can you explain this?
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Without SMith Australia is not even 50%. It is well documented. WIthout warner it is only like 25%. Their team was good because of Smith and sand paper.
 
IndianFan2018 said:
Shadab could have made the impact which Chahal and Kuldeep made in SA series, pitches in NZ are not conducive to spinners, but still he could have helped Pak win 1 match at-least out of 5. Rated so high by Pak fans, not much we neutrals have seen in him yet like Babar.
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And what have you seen in babar? Just curious.
 
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