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Babar needs to up his game if Pakistan want to win this World Cup.

Both as a captain and as a batsmen.

Scoring 150s vs Nepal and 2nd string sides is nice, but it won't help in the World Cup.
 
saqib.rai said:
Would have made a poster out of this picture and hanged it in my room if useless Imam was not there

The best batsman in the world
The best bowler in the world
The best keeper-batsman in the world
The best all-rounder in the world

In one photograph
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Do it.

Imam is the face of reality.
 
If Naseem Shah wasn't injured, ruled out I genuinely would have said yes
 
They need a miracle to make semifinal , and even a miracle would not be good enough for them to win.
 
Have to admit - this will be a picture to frame if we do well with these guys. They are the mainstays now with Naseem out of the picture.
 
It will be an iconic picture if they go and win the world cup. I hope this world cup also leads to Imam losing the parchi tag.
 
Major said:
It will be an iconic picture if they go and win the world cup. I hope this world cup also leads to Imam losing the parchi tag.
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Never understood the parchi tag for imam. He'd be an excellent opener, his issue is he's an accumulator and we are playing with 4 at the top lol.

I'm still angry tayyab and saim ayub weren't selected.
 
Major said:
It will be an iconic picture if they go and win the world cup. I hope this world cup also leads to Imam losing the parchi tag.
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Any serious fan with half a brain cell already acknowledges this. For the general masses, the only way to lose the tag is to go back in time and eliminate his ties with Inzi.

We have had to put up with pathetic openers like Shezzy & co in the past. Any fan who has at least watched the PCT from 2010 onwards, already acknowledges what a great player Imam is.
 
saqib.rai said:
Would have made a poster out of this picture and hanged it in my room if useless Imam was not there

The best batsman in the world
The best bowler in the world
The best keeper-batsman in the world
The best all-rounder in the world

In one photograph
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* Most overrated batsmen in the world
* Serial chocker
* Worst keeper to represent Pakistan since Adnal Akmal and Oscar worthy actor
* Worst spinner within the top 8 teams
 
CerebralPatriot said:
* Most overrated batsmen in the world
* Serial chocker
* Worst keeper to represent Pakistan since Adnal Akmal and Oscar worthy actor
* Worst spinner within the top 8 teams
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And yet they seem to play the KO stages of almost all tournaments they play in.

I could only imagine what a team built on merit would do. Oh wait, they got knocked out in 2019 and 2016 in the group stages? But I only started watching cricket during this pathetic reign of Zimbaber where we are a respected team and dont get humiliated every 2 days.
 
Moiza said:
And yet they seem to play the KO stages of almost all tournaments they play in.

I could only imagine what a team built on merit would do. Oh wait, they got knocked out in 2019 and 2016 in the group stages? But I only started watching cricket during this pathetic reign of Zimbaber where we are a respected team and dont get humiliated every 2 days.
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Yes they make the knock outs and then are humiliated when it's time for the big day, such a great feeling

I mean the team on merit won a ICC trophy in 2017 or was I just dreaming?

In 2019 we should have made the semi's if it wasn't for rain and a couple of freak results and i do not count 2016 as a merit based team, only after Sarfraz took the helm did we transition into a phase of selecting excellence over dosti.
 
Short answer: No

Long answer: Nooooooooooooooooooooo


Nonetheless I'm going to cheer my heart out for the team
 
I think therfore I am said:
They made Pak no 1 by beating A NZ D team, and Afghanistan.
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Let's put a stop to this nonsense:

Pakistan have won 8 of their 10 ODI series since the last CWC.

The highlight was Pakistan's win in SA, beating a SA squad which is probably better than the one travelling to the world cup and included Markram, QDK, Miller, Rabada, Ngidi, Shamsi, Klaases, Dussen, Bevuma. I don't hear the Pak haters bringing up this series.

Pak then beat Australia which featured about 6 or 7 of the same names which are now first choice selections for the Aussie CWC squad. If that is a B team then I wonder where the A team is hiding, maybe on Mars?

The series that haters like to bring up the most is the NZ ODI series where Pakistan smoked them...again it featured 7 cricketers who are part of the current CWC squad for the kiwis. Yes there were some players either missing or rotated out which is very common these days.

People make it out like Pakistan were playing against cricketers who didnt even play first class cricket or something.
 
Moiza said:
And yet they seem to play the KO stages of almost all tournaments they play in.

I could only imagine what a team built on merit would do. Oh wait, they got knocked out in 2019 and 2016 in the group stages? But I only started watching cricket during this pathetic reign of Zimbaber where we are a respected team and dont get humiliated every 2 days.
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I mean tbf, our team isn't bad, but it's not no 1. Afg, Ned, Bang are usually a non factor and don't have the mentality to win the cups.

Sri lanka is slightly weaker then pakistan is pak plays full strength so we are good to go on that front.

South Africa is usually a million times superior to us but for some reason every world cup they play they have an embarassing endeavour, idk why that is, its almost as of the team is perpetually Cursed lol.

So it's usually always England, Nz, India and Australia normally that we really compete against.

However I wanna put some context, 2021 t20 world cup we chocked against Australia but we really played extremely well so good Job on our end.

The t20 Asia cup in 2022 and t20 world cup was pure luck, we played horribly but reached the final due to luck, but we had to rely on other teams incompetence to really reach the final. After losing to Zimbabwe and India, we weren't in any position to make it to the t20 final, but we beat nedtherlands and somehow beat South Africa because South Africa in tournaments can't even beat minnows lol.

The Bangladesh game we were losing haris single handedly won us the game.

Besides us thrashing NZ we didn't beat any side properly. And pur luck ran out in the final against England, same thing happened in Asia cup 2022, we had lost that India gane but their horrible fielding let us through to the final and we got exposed as well.

We haven't actually done well since the 2021 t20 world cup where we genuinely made it. 2022 was pure luck, and in 2023 Asia cup our luck ran out.
 
Major said:
It will be an iconic picture if they go and win the world cup. I hope this world cup also leads to Imam losing the parchi tag.
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I have no qualms with Imam, dude is semi-decent but just like our whole team is a grade A coward and never takes the attack back to the opposition, as an opener you simply can't get in your shell and do a run a ball century anymore.
 
saqib.rai said:
Would have made a poster out of this picture and hanged it in my room if useless Imam was not there

The best batsman in the world
The best bowler in the world
The best keeper-batsman in the world
The best all-rounder in the world

In one photograph
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Imam is one of the best opening batsmen in the world. How are Imam haters still in business?
 
Sherazkhalid said:
I have no qualms with Imam, dude is semi-decent but just like our whole team is a grade A coward and never takes the attack back to the opposition, as an opener you simply can't get in your shell and do a run a ball century anymore.
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Says who? A run a ball hundred is going to be a match-winning innings more often than not.
 
Bilal7 said:
Says who? A run a ball hundred is going to be a match-winning innings more often than not.
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If you are playing that many deliveries and scoring less, you are hoping someone else should be taking charge, there is always a chance that others facing fewer deliveries may not get off the ground and in the end their SR is less than 100, if you play 100 balls you should be scoring at least 125-130 runs, the problem is he will score 60 odd runs in 80 plus balls and then just towards the end will race to 100 off 100 but ideally he should be run a ball around 70 runs and then really go after bowling in next 30 odd deliveries.
 
Sherazkhalid said:
If you are playing that many deliveries and scoring less, you are hoping someone else should be taking charge, there is always a chance that others facing fewer deliveries may not get off the ground and in the end their SR is less than 100, if you play 100 balls you should be scoring at least 125-130 runs, the problem is he will score 60 odd runs in 80 plus balls and then just towards the end will race to 100 off 100 but ideally he should be run a ball around 70 runs and then really go after bowling in next 30 odd deliveries.
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Nothing you say is backed up with facts. A century with a SR of around a 100 is a match-winning innings the vast majority of the time, especially when no one from the opposition can play a similar innings in response.

If Imam can play three such innings at the world cup, he'll go down as a legend in my books.
 
owenhcricket said:
Let's put a stop to this nonsense:

Pakistan have won 8 of their 10 ODI series since the last CWC.

The highlight was Pakistan's win in SA, beating a SA squad which is probably better than the one travelling to the world cup and included Markram, QDK, Miller, Rabada, Ngidi, Shamsi, Klaases, Dussen, Bevuma. I don't hear the Pak haters bringing up this series.

Pak then beat Australia which featured about 6 or 7 of the same names which are now first choice selections for the Aussie CWC squad. If that is a B team then I wonder where the A team is hiding, maybe on Mars?

The series that haters like to bring up the most is the NZ ODI series where Pakistan smoked them...again it featured 7 cricketers who are part of the current CWC squad for the kiwis. Yes there were some players either missing or rotated out which is very common these days.

People make it out like Pakistan were playing against cricketers who didnt even play first class cricket or something.
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How is this nonsense it's a fact. No one is blaming the team on who they play. However they have not played any quality tough opposition.

Let's see how Pak get on with full strength teams.
 
I think therfore I am said:
How is this nonsense it's a fact. No one is blaming the team on who they play. However they have not played any quality tough opposition.

Let's see how Pak get on with full strength teams.
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I LITERALLY the quoted the sides they played and you haven't even bothered reading or understanding. :neesham
 
Bilal7 said:
Nothing you say is backed up with facts. A century with a SR of around a 100 is a match-winning innings the vast majority of the time, especially when no one from the opposition can play a similar innings in response.

If Imam can play three such innings at the world cup, he'll go down as a legend in my books.
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Lol on Indian pitches?

Par is 350 on most grounds.
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
90 of 110 isn't gonna win us a WC.
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Problem is Imam use to be good when fakhar was performing. He use to compliment falhar really well. Also imam single handedly recovered us from past bangaldesh 2016 defeat cause imam is literally a god at playing against Bangladesh.

I don't really have an issue with him, cause he's one heck of an achorer but my issue is with fakhar out of form, Babar and rizwan don't really give imam that backing.

Babar is good but it's clear he's the milestone type of guy and will literally slow down the run rate so he can get to his milestone and rizwan is all over the place.

Imam, Babar and rizwan are the same mould and I really wish that wasn't the case.

But I don't per say have an issue with imam, I have an issue with 3 accumulators of the same mould at the top.
 
Bilal7 said:
Nothing you say is backed up with facts. A century with a SR of around a 100 is a match-winning innings the vast majority of the time, especially when no one from the opposition can play a similar innings in response.

If Imam can play three such innings at the world cup, he'll go down as a legend in my books.
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This isn't the 2011 WC. We're now in 2023. 100 off 100 isn't a match winning innings anymore.

Par scores are well in excess of 300 for most ODI games and more so in India.
 
owenhcricket said:
Let's put a stop to this nonsense:

Pakistan have won 8 of their 10 ODI series since the last CWC.

The highlight was Pakistan's win in SA, beating a SA squad which is probably better than the one travelling to the world cup and included Markram, QDK, Miller, Rabada, Ngidi, Shamsi, Klaases, Dussen, Bevuma. I don't hear the Pak haters bringing up this series.

Pak then beat Australia which featured about 6 or 7 of the same names which are now first choice selections for the Aussie CWC squad. If that is a B team then I wonder where the A team is hiding, maybe on Mars?

The series that haters like to bring up the most is the NZ ODI series where Pakistan smoked them...again it featured 7 cricketers who are part of the current CWC squad for the kiwis. Yes there were some players either missing or rotated out which is very common these days.

People make it out like Pakistan were playing against cricketers who didnt even play first class cricket or something.
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Pakistan also had some of their players missing in these serious through injuries and some were rotated after securing series's, but haters will need excuses to keep undermining the good performances of Pakistani players to vent their frustrations expecting Pakistan to win cups when frankly they clearly lag behind the top 3 teams (India,, Aus, and England).
 
topspin said:
This isn't the 2011 WC. We're now in 2023. 100 off 100 isn't a match winning innings anymore.

Par scores are well in excess of 300 for most ODI games and more so in India.
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Most batsmen are still only scoring a century at 100 strike rate or just above against a good bowling attack and on pitches that are not complete phata.
 
Stop ✋.

They aren't even contenders anymore as they seemed before the Asia Cup.
 
owenhcricket said:
Let's put a stop to this nonsense:

Pakistan have won 8 of their 10 ODI series since the last CWC.

The highlight was Pakistan's win in SA, beating a SA squad which is probably better than the one travelling to the world cup and included Markram, QDK, Miller, Rabada, Ngidi, Shamsi, Klaases, Dussen, Bevuma. I don't hear the Pak haters bringing up this series.

Pak then beat Australia which featured about 6 or 7 of the same names which are now first choice selections for the Aussie CWC squad. If that is a B team then I wonder where the A team is hiding, maybe on Mars?

The series that haters like to bring up the most is the NZ ODI series where Pakistan smoked them...again it featured 7 cricketers who are part of the current CWC squad for the kiwis. Yes there were some players either missing or rotated out which is very common these days.

People make it out like Pakistan were playing against cricketers who didnt even play first class cricket or something.
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They are playing very differently now. Bavuma and QDK are opening and Rassie is at 3 , Markram 4.

Also, Klaasen has become a monster player recently .

Also, Jansen and Coetzee have made them stronger.

In the decider of that series, they didn't have QDK, RVD or Rabada.

Their top 6 is a very settled Top 6 now.

Yeah the injury to Nortje in particular will hurt their chances.

Their bench strength is not the greatest.

But this Saffer side will definitely be tougher to beat than the one you beat in 2021.
 
PakPremi said:
Pakistan also had some of their players missing in these serious through injuries and some were rotated after securing series's, but haters will need excuses to keep undermining the good performances of Pakistani players to vent their frustrations expecting Pakistan to win cups when frankly they clearly lag behind the top 3 teams (India,, Aus, and England).
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I didn't even bother bringing up changes in the Pak team and squad in those series' because there's no point.

I don't think Pak lag behind any of those teams in anything except experience.
 
Few observations on pak team

Babar Azam looks like a slightly better version of karun nair or maybe in same mould. I was looking at his performances and I haven’t seen any of his performance which stand out and make him called as king . Given how teams don’t give much importance to bilaterals and player ranking , his no 1 ranking is a product of continued play with good consistency rather than excellent play with star performances in high value encounters

Shaheen looks unfit while bowling and looks less threatening than 4 years ago . Kinda aged .

Pak batting line up lacks any explosive power barring maybe one batsman .

Pak spinners are inconsistent

Given these limitations , lot was based on shoulder of Naseem , Harris and shaheen . Having match winning fast bowlers is useful if ur batsmen produce par scores with bowlers defending them

Current line up will produce subpar scores on 9 out of 10 occasions .
 
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