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Are we seeing the decline of the phenomenon called Hashim Amla?

Good to se Amla scoring runs and his haters crying. I am not an Amla fan and have no love or hate for people with beards but it's good to see people who hate Amla just cuz of beard crying. There were idiots who said Amla has been exposed lol. Yeah exposed after 8 years of good cricket!
 
In a pitch where even ben stokes make a 250, a school boy could make a century.
 
That's insult to Stokes....Amla bhai is bit FTB though :)
Garbage statement Amla had one bad year all of a sudden he is an FTB. The Amla beard bashing on here has gone way worse than the Amla lovers.

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He was short of confidence and form but actually he changed his technique slightly heading towards this match.

He wasn't moving as much in the cease and playing the ball later. Nasser Hussain did a very good analysis and it seems his work in the nets had paid off for him.

I expect him to start scoring big again this year.

As they say Form is temporary, class is permanent.
 
That's insult to Stokes....Amla bhai is bit FTB though :)

Here are Amla's averages in top test playing countries. Please enlighten me how is he a FTB. He actually has a very balanced record almost everywhere like Tendulkar.

Australia: 57.81
England: 75.70
India: 62.73
New Zealand: 47.25
South Africa: 49.81
UAE (for Pakistan): 78.40
Sri Lanka: 38
 
People are confusing Amla the ODI batsman vs the test batsman. Even in ODIS he has been very good. Just his lack of tournament performances have hurt him from being seen as a great. In tests he is already a Saffers great. If 2015 was just a blip and we get the 2007-2014 Amla for the next 3-4 years. Amla will be an overall ATG by he retires. In tests he has an outstanding record.

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Here are Amla's averages in top test playing countries. Please enlighten me how is he a FTB. He actually has a very balanced record almost everywhere like Tendulkar.

Australia: 57.81
England: 75.70
India: 62.73
New Zealand: 47.25
South Africa: 49.81
UAE (for Pakistan): 78.40
Sri Lanka: 38

Clearly flat pitches in all countries. :srt
 
Regarding OP, Amla's batting style relies heavily on a settled mind, any sort of mental disturbance makes it difficult to execute such sophisticated cricketing shots. Captaincy, failures in the WC etc. have been too much of a burden on him, they've affected his batting clearly. He isn't the type who can take on the challenge and raises his game to the next level by doing so. Though he's tactically decent, he isn't a leader.

Needs to drop captaincy and perhaps even take a break from cricket for 3-4 months to refresh his brain and regather himself. His reflexes or hand-eye hasn't worsened because he's shown his old self in patches, just doesn't bat in a relaxed state as he used to in the past.

AB needs a break as well.

Batting with ease now.
 
Amla jogs through as Centurion erupts from the moment the ball leaves his bat. What a beautiful innings that has been. His 25th Test hundred, his second of the series, and an emphatic return to form
 
^^ Simply suggesting that he is a mentally weak cricketer would have sufficed.
 
I hope nobody will denies his class and realized it was just bad patch
 
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A bad year that all the truly ATG players had, has come to an end.

^^ Simply suggesting that he is a mentally weak cricketer would have sufficed.

:)))

Keep burning man, it is mightily amusing. :amla
 
If the player had been a brash youngster.

These 2 centuries would've been played down with stuff like - "Meh.. one came on a flat pitch where both teams scored 600+ and the other came when the series was decided"

but Amla is bhai, so let the praises flow... :yk
 
A bad year that all the truly ATG players had, has come to an end.



:)))

Keep burning man, it is mightily amusing. :amla

Of course I'm burning. South Africa have already won the series and Cook quit as captain mid series after losing to South Africa at home before getting pasted in India.

Oh wait :))) :amla
 
Of course I'm burning. South Africa have already won the series and Cook quit as captain mid series after losing to South Africa at home before getting pasted in India.

Oh wait :))) :amla

South Africa are still going to be ranked higher than England if they win this match, and England will drop down to #6 when they get pasted by India later this year. Cook himself must be embarrassed that he's ridden the coat-tails of guys six years younger than him throughout this series and that the South African Cook has scored as many runs in one innings, as he did in six.

ATG, yeah right! :haha
 
South Africa are still going to be ranked higher than England if they win this match, and England will drop down to #6 when they get pasted by India later this year. Cook himself must be embarrassed that he's ridden the coat-tails of guys six years younger than him throughout this series and that the South African Cook has scored as many runs in one innings, as he did in six.

ATG, yeah right! :haha

South Africa is a team on the decline unlike England. Its key players like Root, Stokes, Finn, Broad are very young and established players like Cook and Anderson are not in great form but are not going away any time soon. Also, there is no instability in terms of leadership.

As far as South Africa is concerned, their captain has chickened out so there is leadership crisis; their best batsman is also thinking of chickening out from Tests and Steyn's body is failing. Also, they don't have any young batsman of Taylor's quality, let alone Root.

Cook's legacy has been established already. Great opener and a great captain. Amla is a great opener but a joke of a captain. Purely as a batsman, Amla will go down as a better than Cook but if we consider the whole package, no chance.

One will be remembered for winning series in India and SA and shepherding a team in crisis when everyone was calling for his head, while the other chickened out when the going got tough and showed that he is too weak to lead a young, unsettled side. :60:
 
South Africa is a team on the decline unlike England. Its key players like Root, Stokes, Finn, Broad are very young and established players like Cook and Anderson are not in great form but are not going away any time soon. Also, there is no instability in terms of leadership.

As far as South Africa is concerned, their captain has chickened out so there is leadership crisis; their best batsman is also thinking of chickening out from Tests and Steyn's body is failing. Also, they don't have any young batsman of Taylor's quality, let alone Root.

Cook's legacy has been established already. Great opener and a great captain. Amla is a great opener but a joke of a captain. Purely as a batsman, Amla will go down as a better than Cook but if we consider the whole package, no chance.

One will be remembered for winning series in India and SA and shepherding a team in crisis when everyone was calling for his head, while the other chickened out when the going got tough and showed that he is too weak to lead a young, unsettled side. :60:

South Africa have already had four years of dominance in this format, while England's last highly rated team had four months at the top. So what if the tables have turned for one series and England have finally beaten South Africa?

There is no instability in the South African camp. Everyone who hasn't openly proclaimed their hatred for a whole country of people has said that Amla owning up to his weaknesses and stepping down from the captaincy, in favor of a better captain, was a great decision. Steyn is gone but Rabada is a bowler with as much potential as Finn, if not more and last I checked, Amla was going nowhere so South Africa's best batsman is going nowhere.

Cook is a good opener and a decent captain. Far too weak against pace to be considered a great opener and what has he done as captain, apart from being lucky enough to lead a highly talented team? Zero contribution in this series, next to nothing in the Ashes victory of last year and had a torrid period where he didn't score any runs and captained his team in an awful manner. He's had two high-profile series where he has performed like a champion, that is it. He'll be known as a very good player, not a great one and certainly not an ATG one, unlike Amla.

One will be known as a very good batsman, possibly a great, depending on how he ends his career. The other will be known as an ATG batsman and possessing some very impressive facial hair. :amla
 
South Africa is a team on the decline unlike England. Its key players like Root, Stokes, Finn, Broad are very young and established players like Cook and Anderson are not in great form but are not going away any time soon. Also, there is no instability in terms of leadership.

As far as South Africa is concerned, their captain has chickened out so there is leadership crisis; their best batsman is also thinking of chickening out from Tests and Steyn's body is failing. Also, they don't have any young batsman of Taylor's quality, let alone Root.

Cook's legacy has been established already. Great opener and a great captain. Amla is a great opener but a joke of a captain. Purely as a batsman, Amla will go down as a better than Cook but if we consider the whole package, no chance.

One will be remembered for winning series in India and SA and shepherding a team in crisis when everyone was calling for his head, while the other chickened out when the going got tough and showed that he is too weak to lead a young, unsettled side. :60:

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South Africa have already had four years of dominance in this format, while England's last highly rated team had four months at the top. So what if the tables have turned for one series and England have finally beaten South Africa?

There is no instability in the South African camp. Everyone who hasn't openly proclaimed their hatred for a whole country of people has said that Amla owning up to his weaknesses and stepping down from the captaincy, in favor of a better captain, was a great decision. Steyn is gone but Rabada is a bowler with as much potential as Finn, if not more and last I checked, Amla was going nowhere so South Africa's best batsman is going nowhere.

Cook is a good opener and a decent captain. Far too weak against pace to be considered a great opener and what has he done as captain, apart from being lucky enough to lead a highly talented team? Zero contribution in this series, next to nothing in the Ashes victory of last year and had a torrid period where he didn't score any runs and captained his team in an awful manner. He's had two high-profile series where he has performed like a champion, that is it. He'll be known as a very good player, not a great one and certainly not an ATG one, unlike Amla.

One will be known as a very good batsman, possibly a great, depending on how he ends his career. The other will be known as an ATG batsman and possessing some very impressive facial hair. :amla

Who is this better captain? de Villiers? His captaincy has been mediocre in ODIs and his heart isn't in Test cricket anymore, a good chance he will retire

du Plessis? good tactician but terribly out of form, whose own place in the team is in doubt. So how isn't this leadership crisis?

Amla is their most experienced and prolific batsman as you said. Being part of a winning team with great players like Smith, Kallis, Boucher, Steyn etc. is one thing, but to stand up and carry the team on your back when you are left on your own is something else.

Amla has shown that he doesn't have the stomach for a fight and carry a weak team through a crisis period, like Michael Clarke did when Ponting and Hussey declined and Smith and Warner were still not ready, or what Misbah did when he became captain of the Test team in 2010 amidst spot-fixing crisis and unproven players.

He has proved to be a weak character. Simple as. Only you can find the silver lining here and call it a great decision.
 
Very good innings by Amla.

But both the test matches in which he scored tons have been on absolute pattas. Pp'ers would've discounted these runs had they been scored by :kohli

Amla has scored plenty of runs on tough pitches. Therein lies the difference.

Who is this better captain? de Villiers? His captaincy has been mediocre in ODIs and his heart isn't in Test cricket anymore, a good chance he will retire

du Plessis? good tactician but terribly out of form, whose own place in the team is in doubt. So how isn't this leadership crisis?

Amla is their most experienced and prolific batsman as you said. Being part of a winning team with great players like Smith, Kallis, Boucher, Steyn etc. is one thing, but to stand up and carry the team on your back when you are left on your own is something else.

Amla has shown that he doesn't have the stomach for a fight and carry a weak team through a crisis period, like Michael Clarke did when Ponting and Hussey declined and Smith and Warner were still not ready, or what Misbah did when he became captain of the Test team in 2010 amidst spot-fixing crisis and unproven players.

He has proved to be a weak character. Simple as. Only you can find the silver lining here and call it a great decision.

No one is perfect. Yes, Amla is not a Clarke, Misbah or even a Cook when it comes to captaining a cricket team but you don't have to be a captain to be a great player.

ABD is a better captain than Amla and he has said that he's not quitting tests anytime soon. The Saffers have several months off from test cricket after this series so he'll be rejuvenated when they travel Down Under, as will the rest of the team. After him, Dean Elgar seems like a good captaincy choice, he's a similar character to Graeme Smith.

Everyone has called it a great decision, have you been reading the news lately?
 
Amla has scored plenty of runs on tough pitches. Therein lies the difference.



No one is perfect. Yes, Amla is not a Clarke, Misbah or even a Cook when it comes to captaining a cricket team but you don't have to be a captain to be a great player.

ABD is a better captain than Amla and he has said that he's not quitting tests anytime soon. The Saffers have several months off from test cricket after this series so he'll be rejuvenated when they travel Down Under, as will the rest of the team. After him, Dean Elgar seems like a good captaincy choice, he's a similar character to Graeme Smith.

Everyone has called it a great decision, have you been reading the news lately?

Good that you admitted that he is a coward.

I don't care what everyone has to say. I think it is a poor decision on his part and reflects his weak personality. He should have led the way with his leadership for the young South African team.
 
Good that you admitted that he is a coward.

I don't care what everyone has to say. I think it is a poor decision on his part and reflects his weak personality. He should have led the way with his leadership for the young South African team.

Not every player who cannot handle conferences, meetings with selectors and chairmen, developing tactics while keeping quotas in mind and being partially responsible for dropping team-mates is a coward. Ridiculous statement and clearly not what I was saying.

If there is a better captain available, he did the honourable thing by relinquishing his seat. Not an easy thing to do at all and he's actually shown a lot of bravery by doing so.
 
Not every player who cannot handle conferences, meetings with selectors and chairmen, developing tactics while keeping quotas in mind and being partially responsible for dropping team-mates is a coward. Ridiculous statement and clearly not what I was saying.

If there is a better captain available, he did the honourable thing by relinquishing his seat. Not an easy thing to do at all and he's actually shown a lot of bravery by doing so.

What he did was cowardly. Showed willingness to captain by throwing his hat in the ring, but as soon as South Africa's form went downhill, he decided to chicken out.

He is a fair-weather leader.
 
What he did was cowardly. Showed willingness to captain by throwing his hat in the ring, but as soon as South Africa's form went downhill, he decided to chicken out.

He is a fair-weather leader.

He doesn't have a crystal-ball and thought he would do a better job. He didn't and so, he let someone else try their luck. Not cowardly, honourable. Ask Mike Atherton, Nasser Hussain, David Gower, etc.
 
He just wasn't a good captain, definitely not a coward.

After the series loss India everyone pointed fingers on him and wanted him to be removed from leadership role, had he not resigned same people would have called him selfish and power hungry and probably many more things....

He slammed a double wrote a resignation and left the position on his own not humiliated out of the position....

Even before he had declined captaincy

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I wish our batmen "declining" Amla's way.

I think he's an honest person, was not doing good job as captain, quickly realized and handed over to someone else.
 
South Africa is a team on the decline unlike England. Its key players like Root, Stokes, Finn, Broad are very young and established players like Cook and Anderson are not in great form but are not going away any time soon. Also, there is no instability in terms of leadership.

As far as South Africa is concerned, their captain has chickened out so there is leadership crisis; their best batsman is also thinking of chickening out from Tests and Steyn's body is failing. Also, they don't have any young batsman of Taylor's quality, let alone Root.

<b>Cook's legacy has been established already. Great opener and a great captain. Amla is a great opener but a joke of a captain. Purely as a batsman, Amla will go down as a better than Cook but if we consider the whole package, no chance.</b>

One will be remembered for winning series in India and SA and shepherding a team in crisis when everyone was calling for his head, while the other chickened out when the going got tough and showed that he is too weak to lead a young, unsettled side. :60:


LOL, as an overall package, Amla is miles ahead of Cook. Amla is a better batsman in tests and in ODIs it is even foolish to compare them.

Captaincy alone does not determine the greatness of a player. By your logic, Ganguly was a better overall package than Tendulkar, which is laughable.

Cook was a mediocre batsman when there were good bowlers around. He scored plethora of runs against mediocre bowling. He failed in every Ashes except one, failed against SA, and failed against Asif/Aamir/Shoaib. On top of that he never had to face Anderson and Broad. How can someone be an ATG test opener when they have a horrible record against top fast bowling of his time.
 
LOL, as an overall package, Amla is miles ahead of Cook. Amla is a better batsman in tests and in ODIs it is even foolish to compare them.

Captaincy alone does not determine the greatness of a player. By your logic, Ganguly was a better overall package than Tendulkar, which is laughable.

Cook was a mediocre batsman when there were good bowlers around. He scored plethora of runs against mediocre bowling. He failed in every Ashes except one, failed against SA, and failed against Asif/Aamir/Shoaib. On top of that he never had to face Anderson and Broad. How can someone be an ATG test opener when they have a horrible record against top fast bowling of his time.

Captaincy certainly enhances your status, no doubt about that. Tendulkar would have been a much greater cricketer if he was also a great captain along with being a great batsman.

Imagine where Ganguly, Dhoni etc. would be without their success as captain. Misbah would just be a decent batsman and not a Pakistan legend.

Success as captain also enhanced Ponting's stature.

Imran Khan will be remembered as a brilliant bowler and great all-rounder, not what he is known today.

This generation would have hardly have known about Lloyd, Kapil wouldn't have become an Indian legend at 23.

Steve Waugh's status would have been lower as well.

Michael Clarke and Graeme Smith as well.

Look at what captaincy has done to McCullum's stature.


Amla will be remembered as a great batsman who didn't have the balls to lead his team when the going got tough, much like Tendulkar.

Tendulkar is a greater cricketer than Ganguly because his case is a bit extreme: he has made almost every batting record his own, but the gap between his and Ganguly's legacy would have been much greater than it is now.

Amla not doubt is a better batsman than Cook but the gap isn't as big as that between Tendulkar and Ganguly.

Greatness isn't just runs and wickets.
 
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Coward for giving up the captaincy which most Saffers agree he wasn't suitable for and should never have taken on, I have heard it all. Some people just say stupid things just for attention.
If JP can actually get some runs he would be a dead cert for the captaincy because he fulfils all the criteria for Saffers.
 
LOL, as an overall package, Amla is miles ahead of Cook. Amla is a better batsman in tests and in ODIs it is even foolish to compare them.

Captaincy alone does not determine the greatness of a player. By your logic, Ganguly was a better overall package than Tendulkar, which is laughable.

Cook was a mediocre batsman when there were good bowlers around. He scored plethora of runs against mediocre bowling. He failed in every Ashes except one, failed against SA, and failed against Asif/Aamir/Shoaib. On top of that he never had to face Anderson and Broad. How can someone be an ATG test opener when they have a horrible record against top fast bowling of his time.

Cook is a fantastic player of spin. He is very inconsistent and occasionally awful against fast bowling though. His technique is seemingly both his greatest strength and biggest liability.
 
Captaincy certainly enhances your status, no doubt about that. Tendulkar would have been a much greater cricketer if he was also a great captain along with being a great batsman.

Imagine where Ganguly, Dhoni etc. would be without their success as captain. Misbah would just be a decent batsman and not a Pakistan legend.

Success as captain also enhanced Ponting's stature.

Imran Khan will be remembered as a brilliant bowler and great all-rounder, not what he is known today.

This generation would have hardly have known about Lloyd, Kapil wouldn't have become an Indian legend at 23.

Steve Waugh's status would have been lower as well.

Michael Clarke and Graeme Smith as well.

Look at what captaincy has done to McCullum's stature.


Amla will be remembered as a great batsman who didn't have the balls to lead his team when the going got tough, much like Tendulkar.

Tendulkar is a greater cricketer than Ganguly because his case is a bit extreme: he has made almost every batting record his own, but the gap between his and Ganguly's legacy would have been much greater than it is now.

Amla not doubt is a better batsman than Cook but the gap isn't as big as that between Tendulkar and Ganguly.

Greatness isn't just runs and wickets.

Cook isn't in the same league as Imran, Ganguly, Waugh and Lloyd, as a captain. Who are you kidding? He's a better batsman than he is a captain and the only reason he's winning is because he has a very talented team.

He did not turn an average bunch of cricketers into cornered tigers like Imran did; He was not the Apocalypse who unleashed his four horsemen on the world like Lloyd; He did not change the entire nature of a country from meek brown-nosers to aggressive rockstars like Ganguly; He did not build a decades-long empire like Waugh and he was kicked out of the World Cup squad, instead of winning the trophy.

He has no legacy as captain, he's just doing the job. Great captains enhance their legacy by wearing the armband, not mediocre ones.

What did captaincy do to help Wasim, Waqar, Younis, Malik or Afridi?

As a test batsman, Amla is a couple of levels ahead of Cook. As a player, Amla is much better because he can actually play for his country in all three formats and has been hugely successful.
 
Cook led England to a Test series win in India with the bat and as captain, and was the primary contributor in a big win away in Australia as well; captaining England to an away win in South Africa is just one of the many wonderful accolades that he has to his name. A flawless batsman he certainly is not, but he has certainly added a lot of value to his national side and his achievements in the game are not to be sniffed at in the manner you have done there.
 
Cook isn't in the same league as Imran, Ganguly, Waugh and Lloyd, as a captain. Who are you kidding? He's a better batsman than he is a captain and the only reason he's winning is because he has a very talented team.

He did not turn an average bunch of cricketers into cornered tigers like Imran did; He was not the Apocalypse who unleashed his four horsemen on the world like Lloyd; He did not change the entire nature of a country from meek brown-nosers to aggressive rockstars like Ganguly; He did not build a decades-long empire like Waugh and he was kicked out of the World Cup squad, instead of winning the trophy.

He has no legacy as captain, he's just doing the job. Great captains enhance their legacy by wearing the armband, not mediocre ones.

What did captaincy do to help Wasim, Waqar, Younis, Malik or Afridi?

As a test batsman, Amla is a couple of levels ahead of Cook. As a player, Amla is much better because he can actually play for his country in all three formats and has been hugely successful.

Yes Cook isn't an all-time great captain but he has certainly elevated himself to the level of someone like Michael Clarke, because like him, he steered his team through tough times. Clarke has never been loved in Australia like some of the other Australian cricketers and he could have shied away from the job when he had a mediocre batting lineup and bowling at his disposal (the thoroughly average Siddle was his main bowler for a while) and had the likes of Peter Forrest batting for him. Yet he took it in his stride, carried the team on his back and left Australian cricket in great hands.

Similarly, Cook's start to captaincy wasn't very difficult because he took on a settled side and won in India, but everything fell apart very quickly - Pietersen, Swann, Prior and Trott - four key players - all left while the likes of Broad and Root were consistently world class at that point. Even Finn had lost his way, while players like Bell lost form as well and Cook and Anderson were pretty much the only reliable performers left and Cook himself had a slump in 2013-2014.

Amidst all of this, you had the Ashes disaster with people in England calling for his head including English PPers. It was a complete mess. You had a captain who wasn't scoring the runs, the team was losing and majority of the country was in Pietersen's camp. A mentally weak captain like Amla would have surrendered at that point but Cook didn't, and here he is 2 years later with his team in ascendency and an excellent core that can play for the next 5-6 years.

Captains like Clarke, Misbah, Cook etc. do not have the legacy of Clive, Imran, Kapil, Waugh, Ganguly etc. but they will be remembered as captains who steered their teams through difficult times and had the stomach for a fight as well as a thick skin to withstand criticism.

Wasim, Waqar, Malik, Afridi? Waqar and Afridi were terrible captains like Amla, hence they have no legacy as captain.

Malik should have never been a Test captain because he didn't merit a place in the Test team. His LOIs captaincy started off well but he got sacked in 2008/2009, so what legacy?

Wasim was a very good tactical captain and he had the team at his disposal, but his ego got into the way and he was involved in shady stuff. All poor examples.

I have already provided examples in my previous posts of the various cricketers who status and legacy was enhanced because of their success as captain.

Amla will be remembered as a great batsman but his weak leadership and lack of cojones to lead an unsettled and imploding South African side will never be forgotten either. South Africa can do with a Misbah, Clarke or Cook here, because Amla does not have the heart for it and neither does de Villiers by the looks of it.
 
Nice to see Amla with another century. And even better to see Amla make someone's life even more miserable. I hope he keeps doing that.
 
Perhaps a change of fortunes for Amla when chasing in ODIs with this knock.
 
What a decline he is having scoring hundreds for fun.I will take this decline for any pak batsman who scores a century in a chase
 
Yes Cook isn't an all-time great captain but he has certainly elevated himself to the level of someone like Michael Clarke, because like him, he steered his team through tough times. Clarke has never been loved in Australia like some of the other Australian cricketers and he could have shied away from the job when he had a mediocre batting lineup and bowling at his disposal (the thoroughly average Siddle was his main bowler for a while) and had the likes of Peter Forrest batting for him. Yet he took it in his stride, carried the team on his back and left Australian cricket in great hands.

Similarly, Cook's start to captaincy wasn't very difficult because he took on a settled side and won in India, but everything fell apart very quickly - Pietersen, Swann, Prior and Trott - four key players - all left while the likes of Broad and Root were consistently world class at that point. Even Finn had lost his way, while players like Bell lost form as well and Cook and Anderson were pretty much the only reliable performers left and Cook himself had a slump in 2013-2014.

Amidst all of this, you had the Ashes disaster with people in England calling for his head including English PPers. It was a complete mess. You had a captain who wasn't scoring the runs, the team was losing and majority of the country was in Pietersen's camp. A mentally weak captain like Amla would have surrendered at that point but Cook didn't, and here he is 2 years later with his team in ascendency and an excellent core that can play for the next 5-6 years.

Captains like Clarke, Misbah, Cook etc. do not have the legacy of Clive, Imran, Kapil, Waugh, Ganguly etc. but they will be remembered as captains who steered their teams through difficult times and had the stomach for a fight as well as a thick skin to withstand criticism.

Wasim, Waqar, Malik, Afridi? Waqar and Afridi were terrible captains like Amla, hence they have no legacy as captain.

Malik should have never been a Test captain because he didn't merit a place in the Test team. His LOIs captaincy started off well but he got sacked in 2008/2009, so what legacy?

Wasim was a very good tactical captain and he had the team at his disposal, but his ego got into the way and he was involved in shady stuff. All poor examples.

I have already provided examples in my previous posts of the various cricketers who status and legacy was enhanced because of their success as captain.

Amla will be remembered as a great batsman but his weak leadership and lack of cojones to lead an unsettled and imploding South African side will never be forgotten either. South Africa can do with a Misbah, Clarke or Cook here, because Amla does not have the heart for it and neither does de Villiers by the looks of it.

Cook's captaincy was awful until very recently. He had a team of world beaters that within 18 months under his captaincy became a joke. It was under his captaincy that his teams star batsman was alienated and cliques developed between the bowlers and the batsmen. An equivalent would be Amla having a feud with ABDV and getting him exiled from the team and allowing Morkel and Steyn to bully the likes of QdK and Bavuma when they make mistakes. He had no discernible tactical nous at all and was totally reactive, almost as bad as Dohni and on a par with Mathews in this regard.


To be fair to him this might be in some part due to having to captain under the coaches instructions so maybe he will show himself to be a better captain in the years to come. His approach seemed to change during the NZ tour of England last year when the new coach came in and he has seemed less stressed and more proactive. Until then it came across that he was only captain in name and was more the face of England cricket.

Ian Chappell has made the point that captaining is harder nowadays because of all the people in your ear telling you what to do and that you had more people to tell to bugger off and let you captain the team yourself. Finally Cook is getting to do this and is showing improvement.

Amla faced similar circumstances to Cook in that he is at the behest of his Board in his style of running the team (must have quota players, very low wages compared to 20/20 leagues etc) which makes keeping team moral and performances at a high standard hard. I don't think Amla would have made a good captain anyway as he doesn't seem particularly suited to it compared to others in the team but Cook and Amla so far at least have been quite close in quality of captaincy, Cook just might go on and improve a fair bit is all.
 
Cook's captaincy was awful until very recently. He had a team of world beaters that within 18 months under his captaincy became a joke. It was under his captaincy that his teams star batsman was alienated and cliques developed between the bowlers and the batsmen. An equivalent would be Amla having a feud with ABDV and getting him exiled from the team and allowing Morkel and Steyn to bully the likes of QdK and Bavuma when they make mistakes. He had no discernible tactical nous at all and was totally reactive, almost as bad as Dohni and on a par with Mathews in this regard.


To be fair to him this might be in some part due to having to captain under the coaches instructions so maybe he will show himself to be a better captain in the years to come. His approach seemed to change during the NZ tour of England last year when the new coach came in and he has seemed less stressed and more proactive. Until then it came across that he was only captain in name and was more the face of England cricket.

Ian Chappell has made the point that captaining is harder nowadays because of all the people in your ear telling you what to do and that you had more people to tell to bugger off and let you captain the team yourself. Finally Cook is getting to do this and is showing improvement.

Amla faced similar circumstances to Cook in that he is at the behest of his Board in his style of running the team (must have quota players, very low wages compared to 20/20 leagues etc) which makes keeping team moral and performances at a high standard hard. I don't think Amla would have made a good captain anyway as he doesn't seem particularly suited to it compared to others in the team but Cook and Amla so far at least have been quite close in quality of captaincy, Cook just might go on and improve a fair bit is all.

And the sniggers by Swann and co. in the dressing room when he made a speech :))
 
Another day, another record broken. Fastest ever to 22 ODI centuries.
 
He's always the fastest to such landmarks. IIRC he is the fastest to 2k, 3k, 4k, 5k and 6k runs in ODIs. :14:

You are right. He contributes more runs per innings than almost any other batsman in ODI history.
 
Will be a chance for the phenomenal one to silence the haters in a cup final style game. :Amla

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Amla bhai going from strength to strength. A good innings today in a format he isn't meant to be good in people say.
 
Looked pretty good today even though england bowling was utter tripe.
 
must be sad for Saffers fans that despite such a great knock his team lost. But at least his average wasn't disturbed :Amla

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Didn't watched the game unfortunately but 58 of 31 looks to me a very very good knock irrespective of pitch.Also 228 is more than enough anywhere in t20s. SA lost because of other departments bar batting.
 
Root feasted on even worst bowling. What's your take on that?


Besides, bowling might be poor, but an attack of Steyn, Rabada and Tahir is far more formidable than Willey, Topley, Jordan and Moeen any day.
 
Besides, bowling might be poor, but an attack of Steyn, Rabada and Tahir is far more formidable than Willey, Topley, Jordan and Moeen any day.

Steyn the ATG in Tests isn't even good in LOIs.
 
Jordan is the worst cricketer I've seen play for England, honestly have no idea why he's in the team - specialist fielder ?
 
Whether people like it or not, he was outdone in the opposing top order by Roy to an extent and then Root massively, so yesterday's effort goes down as a match-losing knock.
 
Whether people like it or not, he was outdone in the opposing top order by Roy to an extent and then Root massively, so yesterday's effort goes down as a match-losing knock.
it wasn't a match losing knock it wasn't the reason why his team lost. I'd point to Fafs knock 17 off 17 that in the end lost them the game. ABs brainless shot probably cost them too. as if he stayed in SA couldve made 240.

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Amla has improved a lot as a T20 bat yesterday's loss is more the fault of the bowlers and some tremendous Batting from England.

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Steyn, Amla and Kallis all three are stats but no substance in limited overs format. De Villiers is their best batsmen especially in odis.
 
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