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For all the criticism that Ponting's Australia used to get, they used to put up a fight even when they would be down. For them spirit of cricket didn't matter, they were their to bully the team and they had develop this reputation of being bad boys.

Today, Fakhar Zaman edge the ball to the keeper, the noise was soo much that DK didnt appeal and nor the bowler. He started to walk off and the umpire immediately raised the finger. Rohit Sharma and the bowler were laughing at this.

Than, we see the ball hit Nawaz and Shadab didnt bother to take another single on that, Nawaz kept strike and next ball he was out.

We all remember the kissing up the team did to Australia team during their tour, but this is getting annoying now.
 
Pakistani players are aggressive only when on top. Default mindset for a number of years now is meek and submissive.
 
India was under pressure today and wanted to prove a point as the last win got to them. And instead of capitalizing on that, we just went with a body language and mentaliy where we were just letting them get out of their own jitters
 
For all the criticism that Ponting's Australia used to get, they used to put up a fight even when they would be down. For them spirit of cricket didn't matter, they were their to bully the team and they had develop this reputation of being bad boys.

Today, Fakhar Zaman edge the ball to the keeper, the noise was soo much that DK didnt appeal and nor the bowler. He started to walk off and the umpire immediately raised the finger. Rohit Sharma and the bowler were laughing at this.

Than, we see the ball hit Nawaz and Shadab didnt bother to take another single on that, Nawaz kept strike and next ball he was out.

We all remember the kissing up the team did to Australia team during their tour, but this is getting annoying now.

Pakistan of 2022 has india of 90s vibes. Bullies when doing well, crumble at the first sign of things not going their way.
 
Gilchrist used to walk too. Walking is not the issue. But, yeah. They seem a bit meek currently.
 
Call it spirit of the game, but Fakhar walking off was absurd and frankly very confusing. Fair enough if India appealed the wicket but nothing of the sort and to walk off was comical.
 
Gilchrist used to walk too. Walking is not the issue. But, yeah. They seem a bit meek currently.

and gilchrist was hated by his team and fans for it.

Even if the decision of out is reviewed and takes time, take that time. That time can be used by your captain who wont be under the clock.

If you look at Fakhars body language overall even in training, the guy seems distracted.. He has become abit meek
 
I have said this a few times. We can thank Misbah for this culture. I get very annoying when players like rizwan etc are smiling all the time.
 
From last night's game...

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Especially from Rizwan. I am not sure why he laughs without any reason after every ball. It is international cricket...you should be serious. I was noticing after almost every ball he was trying to communicate with Indian players in a friendly chatty way as if its a mohalla game. The only time he looked serious when umpire game him out 2nd ball and he reviewed.
 
For all the criticism that Ponting's Australia used to get, they used to put up a fight even when they would be down. For them spirit of cricket didn't matter, they were their to bully the team and they had develop this reputation of being bad boys.

Today, Fakhar Zaman edge the ball to the keeper, the noise was soo much that DK didnt appeal and nor the bowler. He started to walk off and the umpire immediately raised the finger. Rohit Sharma and the bowler were laughing at this.

Than, we see the ball hit Nawaz and Shadab didnt bother to take another single on that, Nawaz kept strike and next ball he was out.

We all remember the kissing up the team did to Australia team during their tour, but this is getting annoying now.

This meek attitude started with your hero Misbah, who you defend to the hilt. Why are you getting upset now? He’s damaged pakistani cricket mentality for decades
 
Especially from Rizwan. I am not sure why he laughs without any reason after every ball. It is international cricket...you should be serious. I was noticing after almost every ball he was trying to communicate with Indian players in a friendly chatty way as if its a mohalla game. The only time he looked serious when umpire game him out 2nd ball and he reviewed.

Pant does it too and I would say Pant’s laugh in tests after every ball can be a bit irritating as well.

Rizwan just comes across as a happy all the time guy.
 
Pant does it too and I would say Pant’s laugh in tests after every ball can be a bit irritating as well.

Rizwan just comes across as a happy all the time guy.

And that bothers people for some reason.
 
the middle order batted like rabbit in headlights, nothing to do with being meek.

fakhar wasn't doing a gilly, he walked cos he thought even if ump gave it not out itd get reviewed, he didn't even notice the indians weren't appealing. he walked as soon as he saw it taken.

shadab was right not to run the extra run, its a crappy thing to do when the balls deflected off the other batter.

pak had lots of problems, short balls, poor fielding, bad strategising, being meek didn't lose pak this game.
 
the middle order batted like rabbit in headlights, nothing to do with being meek.

fakhar wasn't doing a gilly, he walked cos he thought even if ump gave it not out itd get reviewed, he didn't even notice the indians weren't appealing. he walked as soon as he saw it taken.

shadab was right not to run the extra run, its a crappy thing to do when the balls deflected off the other batter.

pak had lots of problems, short balls, poor fielding, bad strategising, being meek didn't lose pak this game.

Totally agree. Pak non existent middle order and repeat of dismissals on short balls was the reason Pakistan lost.
 
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Hardik Pandya must be sad that Rauf didn’t want his signed jersey, he probably has 5-6 ready to give away.
 
Showing respect to opponents is fine but our players and their sycophancy looks pathetic. I remember when I raised this point before the T20 match in the WC when Dahani acted like a little boy, many on here accused me of being many things.
 
Showing respect to opponents is fine but our players and their sycophancy looks pathetic. I remember when I raised this point before the T20 match in the WC when Dahani acted like a little boy, many on here accused me of being many things.

That was towards Dhoni man, who was retired and is an ATG in LOI , plus PCT thrashed us, so all good.

It’s not like he was excited to see Pandya or Jadeja.
 
That was towards Dhoni man, who was retired and is an ATG in LOI , plus PCT thrashed us, so all good.

It’s not like he was excited to see Pandya or Jadeja.

That could have been done with dignity. He showed a lack of class and we see that too often with our players.
 
I like Rauf. One of those rival teams players you want to do well even if his team loses :)

Seems like a good guy. Have heard his interviews before. Just hope he doesn’t lose it and say or do something crazy. Like the guy.
 
Especially from Rizwan. I am not sure why he laughs without any reason after every ball. It is international cricket...you should be serious. I was noticing after almost every ball he was trying to communicate with Indian players in a friendly chatty way as if its a mohalla game. The only time he looked serious when umpire game him out 2nd ball and he reviewed.

They need players who can cry after every ball. :sree :inti
 
Showing respect to opponents is fine but our players and their sycophancy looks pathetic. I remember when I raised this point before the T20 match in the WC when Dahani acted like a little boy, many on here accused me of being many things.

That is fine. Even Pathan, RP Singh etc also act like a little boy in front of Wasim Akram. :inti
 
You can't just blame Pakistani players alone for being nice yesterday. It was from both sides and it was looking awkward to see Indian players doing this bhai-bhai thing. In Modi's India this is not acceptable. :inti
 
the middle order batted like rabbit in headlights, nothing to do with being meek.

fakhar wasn't doing a gilly, he walked cos he thought even if ump gave it not out itd get reviewed, he didn't even notice the indians weren't appealing. he walked as soon as he saw it taken.

shadab was right not to run the extra run, its a crappy thing to do when the balls deflected off the other batter.

pak had lots of problems, short balls, poor fielding, bad strategising, being meek didn't lose pak this game.

You are right about the middle order. However, the body language also has an impact on how you represent yourselves.

Being super nice, walking off, not taking extras just for what? Spirit of the game? The opposition wont give two hoots about spirit of the game when defeating us.

Remember de kock running out fakhar.

Yes pakistan had its problems, but would prefer if we play a sport like a sport instead of being gentlemen.

Every now and than these guys are seen running up to kohli

Point is, they do these things because they see india as a superior team. Bring afghanistan against pakistan and also this niceness and dramaybazi goes away.
 
You can't just blame Pakistani players alone for being nice yesterday. It was from both sides and it was looking awkward to see Indian players doing this bhai-bhai thing. In Modi's India this is not acceptable. :inti

Well when kohli and rohit sharma will see us kiss up to them, they will obviously have to play nice and be awkward
 
What I was pleased to see was that all this niceness did not filter down to our fast bowlers. They bowled with focus, passion and some life.

I do have a problem with all this pally pally stuff in general though.

Pakistan and Indian cricketers have always been friendly off the pitch but there was some fierce competition on the pitch that was unmistakeable. We have lost that and that is a bigger shame.
 
To have a rough and tumble attitude like the Aussies you need to be able to back it up otherwise you look foolish.

Thank God Babar and Rizwan aren't trying to make us something we are not. We would be ridiculed endlessly if we tried to be an aggressive team then had Khushdil playing shots like that.
 
You are right about the middle order. However, the body language also has an impact on how you represent yourselves.

Being super nice, walking off, not taking extras just for what? Spirit of the game? The opposition wont give two hoots about spirit of the game when defeating us.

Remember de kock running out fakhar.

Yes pakistan had its problems, but would prefer if we play a sport like a sport instead of being gentlemen.

Every now and than these guys are seen running up to kohli

Point is, they do these things because they see india as a superior team. Bring afghanistan against pakistan and also this niceness and dramaybazi goes away.

I already said I don't think fakhar was being sporting, I think he had a brain fade.

i wouldn't run off a ricochet if it was me, I don't like it. there is a sense of sportsmanship in cricket, just because the game has been more professionalized that shouldn't be lost. otherwise it'll eventually descend into a farce like diving in football.

qdk being a douche doesn't mean everyone should do it, i think he's a sooky and immature a lot.

i agree with the idol worshipping kohli, its a bit strange, but whatever.

i think you can be aggressive, and assertive and sporting at the same time. doesn't need to be one or the other.
 
To act aggressive, you need to be a top side like Australia. For a mediocre side like Pakistan, trying to act aggressive would look silly.
 
Especially from Rizwan. I am not sure why he laughs without any reason after every ball. It is international cricket...you should be serious. I was noticing after almost every ball he was trying to communicate with Indian players in a friendly chatty way as if its a mohalla game. The only time he looked serious when umpire game him out 2nd ball and he reviewed.

I'd take Rizwan smiling and laughing after every ball over a Wicketkeeper captain who would yawn and be disinterested after every ball.

You know who I'm talking about
 
This is a non-issue.

The cricketing world has changed since the introduction of different T20 leagues. Most teams are like this because the players meet and play with loads of different cricketers throughout their careers. They stop seeing them as the enemy and more as relatable athletes just like themselves.

This is amplified in the world of social media where everything is out in the open and these players are following each other or at least hearing about what other cricketers are doing.

In the past, most teams had 1-2 guys that would play county cricket and the rest had no concept of playing with cricketers from different countries. Thus, the hostility was far more noticeable. This will completely go away in the coming decades.

Even the Australians are far "softer" than they were in the past.

The same people praising Australia laugh when Bangladesh or Afghanistan show the same aggression. In the end, these things don't matter and it's mostly window-dressing. Only those who win are taken seriously whether it's done with a smile or not.

Pakistan didn't lose because it was too friendly. The team lost because it made significant tactical errors while batting and then again on the field.
 
To have a rough and tumble attitude like the Aussies you need to be able to back it up otherwise you look foolish.

Thank God Babar and Rizwan aren't trying to make us something we are not. We would be ridiculed endlessly if we tried to be an aggressive team then had Khushdil playing shots like that.

Yeah exactly, it would be hilarious if they pretended to be some bad boys & arrogant when they are anything but. You can't pretend to be like that and get absolutely smashed in Australia/NZ/SA conditions. Naturally, there's some arrogance when you're top dogs so maybe if Pakistan ever gets like that where they are constantly destroying teams around the world, then yeah you'll see some arrogance.

Pakistan team in general have been pretty well liked across the league in recent times and if anything, considering Pakistan's reputation over the years, it's not a bad thing. Pakistan-India don't play enough anyways for there to be something fierce.

Worth noting, players across sports nowadays are a lot more friendly and chummy with each other thanks to social media & of course, the T20 leagues across the world where they often see each other and share dressing rooms with another.
 
Others also jumping in

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This before the India v Pakistan game....

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For all the criticism that Ponting's Australia used to get, they used to put up a fight even when they would be down. For them spirit of cricket didn't matter, they were their to bully the team and they had develop this reputation of being bad boys.

Today, Fakhar Zaman edge the ball to the keeper, the noise was soo much that DK didnt appeal and nor the bowler. He started to walk off and the umpire immediately raised the finger. Rohit Sharma and the bowler were laughing at this.

Than, we see the ball hit Nawaz and Shadab didnt bother to take another single on that, Nawaz kept strike and next ball he was out.

We all remember the kissing up the team did to Australia team during their tour, but this is getting annoying now.

This is a longstanding problem. Pakistani players always suck up to quality oppositions especially Australia and India. This is a result of inferior complex and a lack of confidence in oneself.
 
Especially from Rizwan. I am not sure why he laughs without any reason after every ball. It is international cricket...you should be serious. I was noticing after almost every ball he was trying to communicate with Indian players in a friendly chatty way as if its a mohalla game. The only time he looked serious when umpire game him out 2nd ball and he reviewed.

It is because Pakistani player know that Indian players are superior and they can never match their skills, endurance and mental agility. This leads to constant bootlicking!

The same Pakistani side is so hyper and aggressive against weak oppositions such as Bangladesh and Zimbabwe. Pakistani player even curse these poor players.
 
embarrassing stuff from Pak might aswell shove there heads up Kholis…

McGrath & Ambrose never use to give the opposition a second look & incidentally both there teams ruled cricket for 10 years!!
 
Kohli is the Muhammad Ali of Cricket and many of the young Pakistani crickets have idolised him growing up. No shame in being friendly with your idols.
 
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Kohli is the Muhammad Ali of Cricket and many of the young Pakistani crickets have idolised him growing up. No shame in being friendly with your idols.
Reaching there with the Muhammad Ali comparison. Sit back down

I just think Kohli has played the India-Pak rivalry pretty well. It’s no secret that since 2013ish india have the better side. It’s only the needle that will push the pakistan team to beat India. Kohli instead has tried to take the needle out of the rivalry and showered the Pakistan team with praises. Our players have lapped it up.
 
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embarrassing stuff from Pak might aswell shove there heads up Kholis…

McGrath & Ambrose never use to give the opposition a second look & incidentally both there teams ruled cricket for 10 years!!
They might just be cracking some Punjabi jokes. Nothing to see there.
 
Gautam Gambhir on this subject:

"When you play on the field for your national team, you must leave the friendship outside the boundary ropes. Game face hona zaroori hai. Dosti bahaar rehni chahiye. There has to be an aggression in the eyes of both sets of players. You can be as friendly as you want after those six or seven hours of cricket. Those hours are very important, because you're not just representing yourself, you're representing a nation of over a billion," Gambhir said. "These days you see players of rival teams patting each other on the back and exchanging fist bumps during a match. You would never see that a few years ago. Aap friendly match hi khel rahe ho."

Gambhir on his friendship with former Pakistan cricketer Kamran Akmal:

"We're very good friends. In fact, I gave him a bat and he gave me a bat too. I played one whole season with a bat Kamran had given me. We spoke for an hour recently"

"(You can) Sledge, but don't get personal. You have to stay within your limits. Don't involve someone's family member or get too personal. Banter is fine. In games against Australia and Pakistan, there used to be banter"
 
Reaching there with the Muhammad Ali comparison. Sit back down

I just think Kohli has played the India-Pak rivalry pretty well. It’s no secret that since 2013ish india have the better side. It’s only the needle that will push the pakistan team to beat India. Kohli instead has tried to take the needle out of the rivalry and showered the Pakistan team with praises. Our players have lapped it up.
Not reaching whatsoever. I think it’s high time that we give Kohli the praise he fully deserves. He is easily the GOAT LOI batsman with the impact he’s had.
 
Not reaching whatsoever. I think it’s high time that we give Kohli the praise he fully deserves. He is easily the GOAT LOI batsman with the impact he’s had.
he’s certainly up there, but Muhammad Ali of cricket - give me a break.
 
What are they doing?

They are the hosts of the tournament and the match should have been played in Pakistan and this is their reaction?

If the tables were turned I would love to see ther reaction of the Indian players.
i dont think in Ahmedabad things will remain same.
 
Shahid Afridi in response to Gautam Gambhir's comment on "Dosti off the field"

"That is his thought. I think differently. We are cricketers and ambassadors as well, we all have fans across the globe. So it is better to send out a message of love and respect. Yes there is aggression on the field, but there is life off the field as well," Shahid Afridi told Pakistan media on Wednesday.
 
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I have said this a few times. We can thank Misbah for this culture. I get very annoying when players like rizwan etc are smiling all the time.
Bang on you beat me to it.

He changed the psyche of Pakistan cricket for his generation and for those to follow after his failed stint as coach.
 
Not reaching whatsoever. I think it’s high time that we give Kohli the praise he fully deserves. He is easily the GOAT LOI batsman with the impact he’s had.
It's between him, Viv and Ponting.

I think the WC later this year will be his last, so I think we'll be in a better position to decide who's the best out of these 3 when the tournament has reached its conclusion.
 
Either these players are taking acting lessons or there is something genuinely good between these players.
 
It’s unfortunately a soft generation.
They’re not acting but being genuine.

How many of these kids do you think have been in a street fight while growing up. They are not loco!
 
Was that gift by Shaheen or by PCB?

Either way, that was a good gesture
 
It’s unfortunately a soft generation.
They’re not acting but being genuine.

How many of these kids do you think have been in a street fight while growing up. They are not loco!
Our cricketers literally come from the streets. So anyone being invovled in street fights is these guys.

Thing is, they arn't into the political stuff, especially the Pakistani players. In the nets of clubs, alot of guys use to admire Indian batters.
 
It’s unfortunately a soft generation.
They’re not acting but being genuine.

How many of these kids do you think have been in a street fight while growing up. They are not loco!

I don't know if they are soft. They are friendly with each other, but I don't think that jeopardizes their performance.
In the match against Bangladesh, Naseem bowled again at pace after messing up his shoulder, Naseem played his heart out the day after his mother passed away. Shaheen bowled again after messing up his hand. Compare this to Shoaib Akhtar who would leave the pitch frequently for silly ego issues...but yes, he didn't smile so great.
 
I think it was from Shaheen, just saw the video. Bumrah was really appreciative and said thank you like 15 times
 
Our cricketers literally come from the streets. So anyone being invovled in street fights is these guys.

Thing is, they arn't into the political stuff, especially the Pakistani players. In the nets of clubs, alot of guys use to admire Indian batters.

To be honest, some of them seem like the kids who would start crying if anyone picked their wrists hard.

Back in the day we had people like Gambhir, Kamran etc who were natural tough men and were always ready for a physical assault.
 
To be honest, some of them seem like the kids who would start crying if anyone picked their wrists hard.

Back in the day we had people like Gambhir, Kamran etc who were natural tough men and were always ready for a physical assault.
?? bro what are you on about?
These guys literally come from the streets. Not a single one of them comes from a privledged background, everyon came from a poor household and had to be street smart to make it here.

Thing is, Pakistani players dont get involved in petty politics. India installs blind nationalism in their people where every Indian takes every thing as an act of patriotism. Pakistanis have become more logical. In the past generation that were born in the 60s and 70s had a sense of nationalism but the newer generation doesnt care and thus you would see Pakistani players dont go crazy when it comes to India
 
To be honest, some of them seem like the kids who would start crying if anyone picked their wrists hard.

Back in the day we had people like Gambhir, Kamran etc who were natural tough men and were always ready for a physical assault.

Gambhir stars crying when people chant Kholi
Kamran tough? All he does is cry about everything that Babar does

I like, Rauf's demeanor. On the field, he is always pumped and intense. And after stumps, he is friendly and respectful with everyone. I think that's a good balance
 
Was the gift to Bumrah from Shaheen only or on behalf of the whole squad?
 
Was the gift to Bumrah from Shaheen only or on behalf of the whole squad?

The PBC youtube page says "heartwarming gesture by Shaheen Afridi" So I assume it was just from Afridi.
I reckon he got the baby a Pakistan cricket jersey. :ROFLMAO:

 
Did BCCI congratulate Shaheen, Rauf and Shadab for getting married??
I believe Shaheen congratulated him in a personal capacity not as a representative of the PCB. So, why would you anticipate the BCCI to extend congratulations to Pakistani cricketers?
 
It’s unfortunately a soft generation.
They’re not acting but being genuine.

How many of these kids do you think have been in a street fight while growing up. They are not loco!
I bet none of these softies have ever pulled knife on someone. Back in days players were ready to see some real blood.
 
Was the gift to Bumrah from Shaheen only or on behalf of the whole squad?

As per PCB clarification the gift was from Shaheen Shah Afridi alone and not from the squad.
 
I bet none of these softies have ever pulled knife on someone. Back in days players were ready to see some real blood.

Miandad and Lillee were literally about to kill each other.

India - Pakistan matches in particular were full of sledging and swearing you can’t have in modern day PG cricket with all these stump microphones.
 
Was the gift to Bumrah from Shaheen only or on behalf of the whole squad?

?? bro what are you on about?
These guys literally come from the streets. Not a single one of them comes from a privledged background, everyon came from a poor household and had to be street smart to make it here.

Thing is, Pakistani players dont get involved in petty politics. India installs blind nationalism in their people where every Indian takes every thing as an act of patriotism. Pakistanis have become more logical. In the past generation that were born in the 60s and 70s had a sense of nationalism but the newer generation doesnt care and thus you would see Pakistani players dont go crazy when it comes to India

Bharatiyans take huge pride in their motherland and it’s something we’re extremely proud of. We are by far the most patriotic nation in the world and we are willing to die in the name of Bharat ne on the battlefield or on the cricket field or on the stands in honour of the tricolour.
 
Bharatiyans take huge pride in their motherland and it’s something we’re extremely proud of. We are by far the most patriotic nation in the world and we are willing to die in the name of Bharat ne on the battlefield or on the cricket field or on the stands in honour of the tricolour.
Patriotism and Nationalism, there is a difference between both.

Americans are patriotic, where at the same time Americans are able to call out a wrong. They accept the mistakes they made with black people.
Nationalism was, when every American was on the bandwagon to start war on terror, not knowing what the end goal was.

Patriotism is love for your country, while Nationalism is trying to unite your country under some idea, shared history etc. What India has is not patriotism but blind nationalism. They can and will never question their country and blindly accept whatever policy the country makes. Indians cant call out wrong if an Indian is wrong because they think it will be a national embarrasment so they defend every act of an Indian.

Soo please, dont give us this bs of being most patriotic
 
I’m personally glad that both the teams adore and respect each other. Shaheen Shah Afridi’s gesture towards Bumrah melts my heart.
 
It is possible to play good cricket and to win without resorting to badtameezi.
 
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