Are West Indies finally coming out of the revival phase?

[ExpressPacer]

A win vs Pakistan in Pakistan's fortress, drawing a Test vs India and now humiliating Pakistan's batting lineup here today. Are they finally getting better with guys like Chase, Joseph, Gabriel, Bishoo, etc?

 

[ExpressPacer]

[MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] would like to know what you think. Is Pakistan just making them look good?

 

[MenInG]

They won against us in Sharjah also.

 

[captain crook]

Not really. They're still poor. Just that our guys seem to compete against all the sides we play against..

 

[Zak_Fan]

Besides beating Pakistan twice (if they win today), have West Indians won another Test for ages? I honestly cannot recall one.

 

[Slog]

No

They're a trash team who India didn't let get ahead in any of the four tests

Says you all about our recent tactics and game that we've lose TWO of last three test matches against this mediocre outfit

 

[ExpressPacer]

They won against us in Sharjah also.

Yep. A win in Pakistan's fortress where teams like Aus and Eng were humiliated.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Besides beating Pakistan twice (if they win today), have West Indians won another Test for ages? I honestly cannot recall one.

Won a test vs England a year or so ago IIRC.

 

[Zak_Fan]

Won a test vs England a year or so ago IIRC.

Yeah. It could be a revival, or it could be another instance where they end up looking like minnows in the next series. Latter is more likely, but I'll still be hoping that this indeed turns out to be a revival.

 

[Markhor]

[MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] would like to know what you think. Is Pakistan just making them look good?

There's definitely some promising talents there that need nurturing. I hope Darren Bravo can return as the middle order is very inexperienced. In England on their tour this summer, an attack of Gabriel, Joseph, Cummins and Holder could be dangerous.

The problem with our attritional, grind the opposition down style of play is that whilst it might work against teams like England who constantly want to play on the front foot - WI are used to slow grind Test cricket given the sluggish nature of WI pitches.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Yeah. It could be a revival, or it could be another instance where they end up looking like minnows in the next series. Latter is more likely, but I'll still be hoping that this indeed turns out to be a revival.

Agreed. A better West Indies team is better for world cricket. Personally speaking, I'm hopeful. They have a lot of talent coming through. I'm excited for Rakheem Cornwall.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Called it over a year ago. This team is full of potential.

 

[Slog]

Agreed. A better West Indies team is better for world cricket. Personally speaking, I'm hopeful. They have a lot of talent coming through. I'm excited for Rakheem Cornwall.

This is a fairly mediocre team

Bishoo is Bishoo with his inconsistency

The batting has a bit of steel but is severely limited in talent and skill set

Very poor team

Embarrassing to lose two out of last three test matches

 

[Slog]

Called it over a year ago. This team is full of potential.

The potential is shown only against Pakistan though

In 4 tests against India not once were they in a strong position to win

 

[ExpressPacer]

This is a fairly mediocre team

Bishoo is Bishoo with his inconsistency

The batting has a bit of steel but is severely limited in talent and skill set

Very poor team

Embarrassing to lose two out of last three test matches

I guess your point cannot be ignored but there is no doubt in the fact that they seem to be improving.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

The potential is shown only against Pakistan though

In 4 tests against India not once were they in a strong position to win

Mainly down to inexperience and they didn't have Hope and Hetmyer in the middle. Give them time.

 

[shane]

Not really. West Indies have been horrendous in this match. They would have struggled against a proper international team of any class.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Not really. West Indies have been horrendous in this match. They would have struggled against a proper international team of any class.

Probably. But I feel they're getting better with every match. An upset vs English, a drawn Test vs India (No.1 side) and two defeats to Pakistan. They will be back in the Top 5 within the next 2 years.

 

[Abdullah719]

Not really. West Indies have been horrendous in this match. They would have struggled against a proper international team of any class.

How come?

 

[sharon javed]

Agreed. A better West Indies team is better for world cricket. Personally speaking, I'm hopeful. They have a lot of talent coming through. I'm excited for Rakheem Cornwall.

Pakistan is mediocre test team

 

[ExpressPacer]

Pakistan is mediocre test team

1. Your opinion.
2. What does that have to do with the post you've quoted me in?

 

[shane]

How come?

Wickets off no-balls, drop catches,, poor fielding, a first-innings score of 300, batting collapses...

 

[Abdullah719]

Wickets off no-balls, drop catches,, poor fielding, a first-innings score of 300, batting collapses...

OK, so they have made mistakes. That's different from being 'horrendous'.

Gabriel has been fantastic through. Chase and Hope have played superb innings. Mistakes mixed with some good performances.

 

[shane]

OK, so they have made mistakes. That's different from being 'horrendous'.

Gabriel has been fantastic through. Chase and Hope have played superb innings.

Maybe if it was a couple of mistakes, or acceptable mistakes. But who takes two wickets in the same innings of a no-ball!? I do not think WI are capable of learning. But it is just their good fortune to be playing a team equally unprofessional.

 

[Abdullah719]

Maybe if it was a couple of mistakes, or acceptable mistakes. But who takes two wickets in the same innings of a no-ball!? I do not think WI are capable of learning. But it is just their good fortune to be playing a team equally unprofessional.

No-balls were a problem on Day 2. After that, they've done pretty well. I think they worked on it with the bowling coach and he seems to have done a good job.

 

[shane]

No-balls were a problem on Day 2. After that, they've done pretty well. I think they worked on it with the bowling coach and he seems to have done a good job.

Does it make a difference which day they were a problem on? Gabriel is high on the list of most no-balls in Test cricket! He does not learn. But just to illustrate my point, on top of that list is Wahab Riaz.

 

[JaDed]

Doubt it,although would like to believe the opposite but their incompetent board would never let things settle down,if West Indies actually breaks up there is a good chance of atleast one good team coming up as an individual country.

Right now with this once in a while victories its not big also it their home,one expects them to win at their home not to forget Pakistan has never won in Indies hardly a comparison.

 

[JaDed]

Reading from CB no Asian side has beat Windies in Barbados.

 

[Big Mac]

Congrats to the Windies, lot of credit goes to Hope for a brilliant innings in difficult conditions

Series set up for an exciting finish in Roseau.

Reading from CB no Asian side has beat Windies in Barbados.

That's correct.

India - 7 losses, 2 draws
Pakistan - 4 losses, 3 draws

 

[shaz619]

They've always had talent, promise and immense potential but the issue is their board, the most incompetent one in history which means peaks are short lived and troughs come more often. I also don't believe that cricket in the Caribbean is dead, the passion and love for the sport is there but it's up the board to utilise that; happy for their loyal fans it doesn't feel like a loss being a Pakistan fan

 

[shaz619]

Congrats to the Windies, lot of credit goes to Hope for a brilliant innings in difficult conditions

Series set up for an exciting finish in Roseau.



That's correct.

India - 7 losses, 2 draws
Pakistan - 4 losses, 3 draws

Misbah will get his hundred in a chase don't lose faith in the big man upstairs

 

[JaDed]

Congrats to the Windies, lot of credit goes to Hope for a brilliant innings in difficult conditions

Series set up for an exciting finish in Roseau.



That's correct.

India - 7 losses, 2 draws
Pakistan - 4 losses, 3 draws

Lanka,Bangla haven't even got the honor of playing there?

 

[ExpressPacer]

They've always had talent, promise and immense potential but the issue is their board, the most incompetent one in history which means peaks are short lived and troughs come more often. I also don't believe that cricket in the Caribbean is dead, the passion and love for the sport is there but it's up the board to utilise that; happy for their loyal fans it doesn't feel like a loss being a Pakistan fan

Cricket being dead in the Caribbean is an absolute joke. They just won the Women's World Cup, the Under 19 world cup and have been improving for a year or so. CPL games have great audiences and even International ODI's and T20's are getting full houses occasionally. Test cricket has sorry figures for audiences all over the world so we can't judge them on the basis of solely that.

A better WI team is good for world cricket.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Fans took them lightly and see what they did? Don't think west indies is all about Gayle and Bravo only. These new guys like roston, hope, holder, gabriel, brathwaite are the future of west indies.

 

[Big Mac]

Lanka,Bangla haven't even got the honor of playing there?

They've never played a test at the Kensington Oval.

 

[Hasan123]

They have some potential no doubt. Another year of test cricket and they could be a dangerous outfit. I predicted a couple of months ago they will struggle in odis but will be competitive in tests especially at home.

 

[PakLFC]

By and large they are an average side but so are we. Pak are making them look far better then they are.

 

[Napa]

Probably. But I feel they're getting better with every match. An upset vs English, a drawn Test vs India (No.1 side) and two defeats to Pakistan. They will be back in the Top 5 within the next 2 years.

The drawn Test vs India had an entire day lost due to rain without which they would not have survived.

Mainly down to inexperience and they didn't have Hope and Hetmyer in the middle. Give them time.

Not inexperience, but simply outclassed and slaughtered (except for the 2nd Test partnerships between Chase and Dorwich followed by Chase and Holder). They had Bravo in the team and he is better than Hope/Hetmyer.