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Are Yashasvi Jaiswal and Rishabh Pant the next hype machines for India?

kron said:
I would pant potentially in that class
He is a game changer.

Head slightly below pant for me because heads average is not so great in a few countries.
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I don't give a crap about Head. I use him as a trolling mechanism and morons fall for it each and everytime despite knowing full well that im trolling.

It is that easy for me to beat them. Travis Head is basically an improved version of fakhar.

He's a solid player with a very good technique especially on the offside against pace and has insane hand eye coordination.

His issue is zero temperament for test cricket. Even aggressive test players like Gilly, Warner, Sehwag etc etc had temperament and knew which balls to leave and which to punish.

His other issue is a very noticeable weakness against spin.

He is not as bad as Indians have portrayed him to be and that hate stems from wc 2023 and wtc 2023 which i will always expose and catch them in the act for it. Claiming he is a tulla and has no technique is trolling and has clearly made me lose respect for alot of posters even ones I thought were good at one point.

However yes overall Head is just an above avg cricketer who has made a living trolling the boys in blue because rohit for sone reason has an obsession with never placing fielders in the offside against Head deapite him being a pre dominant offside player.
 
mominsaigol said:
I don't give a crap about Head. I use him as a trolling mechanism and morons fall for it each and everytime despite knowing full well that im trolling.

It is that easy for me to beat them. Travis Head is basically an improved version of fakhar.

He's a solid player with a very good technique especially on the offside against pace and has insane hand eye coordination.

His issue is zero temperament for test cricket. Even aggressive test players like Gilly, Warner, Sehwag etc etc had temperament and knew which balls to leave and which to punish.

His other issue is a very noticeable weakness against spin.

He is not as bad as Indians have portrayed him to be and that hate stems from wc 2023 and wtc 2023 which i will always expose and catch them in the act for it. Claiming he is a tulla and has no technique is trolling and has clearly made me lose respect for alot of posters even ones I thought were good at one point.

However yes overall Head is just an above avg cricketer who has made a living trolling the boys in blue because rohit for sone reason has an obsession with never placing fielders in the offside against Head deapite him being a pre dominant offside player.
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Head is not a. Tulla

He is a match winner

Very good player. Atg in LoI

In tests he is very good but not a true atg.
 
Useless useless Jaiswal, Dropped 2, scored a molasses century on a road pitch, didnt do anything for India in the 2nd innings.

Worthless
 
Ted123 said:
:vk2 OP seems to be unnecessarily hating on Indian players. It is high time we give them the credit they deserve.

India have consistently produced great players one after another and no amount of deameaning would change that.

Gavaskar and Kapil Dev were ATG players from 70s and 80s.

Tendulkar is a top tier ATG batsman in both formats while Dravid is an ATG test batsman.

Kohli is an elite test batsman in his own rights and one of the best ever in white ball cricket.

Ashwin and Jadeja are test greats as bowler and all rounder respectively. The stats and longevity confirms their stature in that format.

Bumrah is one of the best ever across all formats.

Pant has potential to go on and become one of the best keeper bats in Test cricket.

Jaiswal is a highly rated young talent.

That is all we do agree and not lend our ears to any other noise coming from Indian fans.
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Oh yes baby :vk2
 
mominsaigol said:
We will see. I have nothing against anyone supporting them though. And I've already blocked the 3 trolls that irritate me, so I won't be having any issues from now.

Im so silly, I forgot that PP had an ignore button. I only put Indians on ignore though. Never a Pakistani as it is against my philosophy of targeting a fellow brother even if I disagree with said bro.
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Jaiswal ll surely have better career thanany pakistanis. He has it in him to surpass gambhir early in his career and can't say much about atg because its very early. But cant deny his ability when we are hyping sam konstas then jaiswal deserves the hype as well
 
mominsaigol said:
That's a fair analogy. Finally something I agree to
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Nobody was saying he is all time great. All i am saying is he has potential. 20 tests are nothing in greater scheme of things. He has potential to be batter than sehwag and gambhir as test openers
But beyond that it takes more than potential. It takes determination hunger and resilience. Smith didn't have potential or technicality in his batting yet he surpassed everyone because of other factors. These are the factors that distinguish between greats and all time greats.
 
Hyder said:
Nobody was saying he is all time great. All i am saying is he has potential. 20 tests are nothing in greater scheme of things. He has potential to be batter than sehwag and gambhir as test openers
But beyond that it takes more than potential. It takes determination hunger and resilience. Smith didn't have potential or technicality in his batting yet he surpassed everyone because of other factors. These are the factors that distinguish between greats and all time greats.
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He lost this game. It was all due to him
 
mominsaigol said:
He lost this game. It was all due to him
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They lost because of their toothless selection. Who on earth ll pick jadeja over sundar? Thakur over pandya? Their tail is non existant. Their bowling is same.
Jaiswal drops alot of catches yet he is always standing at slips like kohli. He shouldnt be fielding anywhere near the bat.

Although this is just my obs from tiny bits i saw. Havent been able to watch it live because of workload this week.
 
mominsaigol said:
Duckett is better, anyday all day.

This innings is > anything jaiswal will ever play
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Let him play smth useful out of eng first. Jaiswal ll atleast be remembered as much as gambhir when he retired meanwhile ducket ll ne forgotten before he reach his home after retirement.
 
Hyder said:
Let him play smth useful out of eng first. Jaiswal ll atleast be remembered as much as gambhir when he retired meanwhile ducket ll ne forgotten before he reach his home after retirement.
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Every indian will be remembered due to 1.5B population
 
HAAHAHAHAH INdia phir zaleel hogya.

You can keep on claiming Jaiswal or Pants being the best while they score losing hundreds
 
gazza619 said:
Truth must be told buddy.
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Hence why I created this thread. I called it since day 1. Their centuries were nothing special. Jaoswal scoring 101 of 159 on a belter isnt noteworthy.

He wasnt that great in bgt either. He performs on a Perth road pitch. Otherwise was rubbish the rest of the series.

He is a good batter but overrated. He is not better then saeed Anwar and never will be. Not with those elephant ears, butter fingers and legs so thin, you wonder how he's even able to walk at night.
 
The person who is the most responsible for this loss is jaiswal. He scored a very very poor century for this pitch standards.

He shelled multiple catches allowing england to nullify the lead, couldnt even get rid of duckett who punished india in the 2nd innings.

Had the perfect opportunity to rectify his mistakes In the 2nd innings by establishing a dominant lead and ensuring a draw or a win instead he crippled India.

I am sick of people claiming he's 23 amd we should go easy on Mr baby face.

All you guys, the one's who make fun of Travis Head, ask yourself this, Head fails sure, but do you see Head ever scoring 101 of 159? That too on an absolute belter?
 
mominsaigol said:
The person who is the most responsible for this loss is jaiswal. He scored a very very poor century for this pitch standards.

He shelled multiple catches allowing england to nullify the lead, couldnt even get rid of duckett who punished india in the 2nd innings.

Had the perfect opportunity to rectify his mistakes In the 2nd innings by establishing a dominant lead and ensuring a draw or a win instead he crippled India.

I am sick of people claiming he's 23 amd we should go easy on Mr baby face.

All you guys, the one's who make fun of Travis Head, ask yourself this, Head fails sure, but do you see Head ever scoring 101 of 159? That too on an absolute belter?
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Yea 5 catch drops is inexcusable

And also 3 drops vs Aus btw which cost us the series draw
 
While I admit that on this forumn I suck at match predictions. I have been wrong on so many occasions that it is hilarious but I have never been wrong about a player.

1) I was right about Jadeja and Ashwin( credit to Mamoon as I believe he made an entire thread, I only use to argue with ab fan but didnt intiate an entire thread)

2) Was right about bumrah. God of bowling my foot.

3) I will be right about jaiswal and Pant as well. Im just keeping my mouth shut on Pant for the time being.

India in coming times will be a gun no 1 damn near unbeatable t20 side.

In odi they will have to rely on fraud tailor made pitches to help them cheap a win but they will otherwise be a solid tournament competing team.

In tests they will only fraud their way at home dens. Will be damn near useless in sena against top tier sides.

Out of the current crop, Gill will have a succesful odi career. He is a gun odi player. He is not as good as kohli, never will be but he will be an atg.

And india will produce many t20 atg's 100%.

But thats about it.
 
mominsaigol said:
While I admit that on this forumn I suck at match predictions. I have been wrong on so many occasions that it is hilarious but I have never been wrong about a player.

1) I was right about Jadeja and Ashwin( credit to Mamoon as I believe he made an entire thread, I only use to argue with ab fan but didnt intiate an entire thread)

2) Was right about bumrah. God of bowling my foot.

3) I will be right about jaiswal and Pant as well. Im just keeping my mouth shut on Pant for the time being.

India in coming times will be a gun no 1 damn near unbeatable t20 side.

In odi they will have to rely on fraud tailor made pitches to help them cheap a win but they will otherwise be a solid tournament competing team.

In tests they will only fraud their way at home dens. Will be damn near useless in sena against top tier sides.

Out of the current crop, Gill will have a succesful odi career. He is a gun odi player. He is not as good as kohli, never will be but he will be an atg.

And india will produce many t20 atg's 100%.

But thats about it.
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What else was i right about? Oh yeah I was right about chanderpaul still being > Any test batter of this era minus root and smith and being > 90% of the odi batters of this era?

Lets see what else? Oh yeah I was right about kohli never reaching 10K runs in test cricket. I predicted retirement after BGT.

Kohli had no option. It was either reach 10K and retire with an avg that would likely fall to 41-42 and be considered the weakest player ever to join the 10K club,

Or retire gracefully as a test player who will still be viewed > Laxman, Ganguly and many others since 46 avg + 30 test centuries + 9K runs is not a bad career.

Its just kohli gets put in a high bracket but 80% of test players in history would drool over these numbers.
 
mominsaigol said:
The person who is the most responsible for this loss is jaiswal. He scored a very very poor century for this pitch standards.

He shelled multiple catches allowing england to nullify the lead, couldnt even get rid of duckett who punished india in the 2nd innings.

Had the perfect opportunity to rectify his mistakes In the 2nd innings by establishing a dominant lead and ensuring a draw or a win instead he crippled India.

I am sick of people claiming he's 23 amd we should go easy on Mr baby face.

All you guys, the one's who make fun of Travis Head, ask yourself this, Head fails sure, but do you see Head ever scoring 101 of 159? That too on an absolute belter?
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We cannot drop him, can we? Solid opener in tests is a rare gold for SC teams... We should groom him but at the same time monitor/guide him properly...
 
RamLakhan said:
We cannot drop him, can we? Solid opener in tests is a rare gold for SC teams... We should groom him but at the same time monitor/guide him properly...
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Look Jaiswal isn't a bad player, and he should be an automatic starter in all formats.

But keep your expectations low. He is not as good as people are making him out to be. He and Gill are on the same level and both of them are leagues below Kohli was at this stage.

Infact Dhawan was actually better then both of them but bcci didnt trust him much. Dhawan should have played more tests games and odi, unfortunately dhawan completly fizzled out by the time he reached 36 and had to be replaced. Bcci had him debut way too late to constantly accommodate a 2012 Corpse Sehwag and Gambhir into the team.

Jaiswal is a good batter, but he will dissappint you guys with the bat and defo on the field.

Issue is india doesnt have any other all format opener atm. Rahul aint opening again in white ball, and sanju/abhi are destined to be t20 legends with Gill destined to be an odi legend.
 
RamLakhan said:
We cannot drop him, can we? Solid opener in tests is a rare gold for SC teams... We should groom him but at the same time monitor/guide him properly...
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Solid opener so what? Will drop catches. He can better go back to sell pani puris.

Solid opener could score only 1 century in 10 innings in Australia.

Now that he has completed the 1 hundred qouta on the road at Headingley, he is bound to fail in remaining 9 innings of current series.

The way he was behaving at the end yesterday, one could clearly see his antics. Won't be part of the Indian team for long.
 
mominsaigol said:
While I admit that on this forumn I suck at match predictions. I have been wrong on so many occasions that it is hilarious but I have never been wrong about a player.

1) I was right about Jadeja and Ashwin( credit to Mamoon as I believe he made an entire thread, I only use to argue with ab fan but didnt intiate an entire thread)

2) Was right about bumrah. God of bowling my foot.

3) I will be right about jaiswal and Pant as well. Im just keeping my mouth shut on Pant for the time being.

India in coming times will be a gun no 1 damn near unbeatable t20 side.

In odi they will have to rely on fraud tailor made pitches to help them cheap a win but they will otherwise be a solid tournament competing team.

In tests they will only fraud their way at home dens. Will be damn near useless in sena against top tier sides.

Out of the current crop, Gill will have a succesful odi career. He is a gun odi player. He is not as good as kohli, never will be but he will be an atg.

And india will produce many t20 atg's 100%.

But thats about it.
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India haven’t picked their best side though

We will see what happened when India actually picks the best players do tests in sena

Bumrah needs support. Can’t do it all when other bowlers keep bleeding runs.
 
kron said:
India haven’t picked their best side though

We will see what happened when India actually picks the best players do tests in sena

Bumrah needs support. Can’t do it all when other bowlers keep bleeding runs.
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Bhai, you've been stating to me for 2.5 years now,.possibly more since I met you 🤣.

I agree with you, but when does india ever pick the right team? Apna captain to dekho 🤣. 25 year old with hardly any experience is captaining india in crickets most historic format? That too in a trophy named after 2 cricketers that are considered pioneers of longetivity in batting and bowling?
 
mominsaigol said:
Bhai, you've been stating to me for 2.5 years now,.possibly more since I met you 🤣.

I agree with you, but when does india ever pick the right team? Apna captain to dekho 🤣. 25 year old with hardly any experience is captaining india in crickets most historic format? That too in a trophy named after 2 cricketers that are considered pioneers of longetivity in batting and bowling?
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True corruption is rife in India

Nothing we can do

He has too much pr power

IPL has ruined test cricket selections for India

Pakistan atleast picks on merit these days although you guys have corruption too

Only Sena pick mostly on merit
 
kron said:
True corruption is rife in India

Nothing we can do

He has too much pr power

IPL has ruined test cricket selections for India

Pakistan atleast picks on merit these days although you guys have corruption too

Only Sena pick mostly on merit
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Sena doesnt really pick on merit. Marsh was blocking wesbter knowing full well he is rubbish in test cricket
 
mominsaigol said:
Look Jaiswal isn't a bad player, and he should be an automatic starter in all formats.

But keep your expectations low. He is not as good as people are making him out to be. He and Gill are on the same level and both of them are leagues below Kohli was at this stage.

Infact Dhawan was actually better then both of them but bcci didnt trust him much. Dhawan should have played more tests games and odi, unfortunately dhawan completly fizzled out by the time he reached 36 and had to be replaced. Bcci had him debut way too late to constantly accommodate a 2012 Corpse Sehwag and Gambhir into the team.

Jaiswal is a good batter, but he will dissappint you guys with the bat and defo on the field.

Issue is india doesnt have any other all format opener atm. Rahul aint opening again in white ball, and sanju/abhi are destined to be t20 legends with Gill destined to be an odi legend.
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Expectations? This is not academics or literature or films or some art field... In Sports expectations is inevitable, you need to perform better than the opposition (a batsman should out-perform a bowler in order to see success on a given day). Yes I get your point... Right people have to be groomed at the right time! Let's not demoralize him in his early years (like you said we lost Dhawan's early time to accomodate seniors) Having said that, they should take strict actions against his antics and make him concentrate on the game...
 
RamLakhan said:
Expectations? This is not academics or literature or films or some art field... In Sports expectations is inevitable, you need to perform better than the opposition (a batsman should out-perform a bowler in order to see success on a given day). Yes I get your point... Right people have to be groomed at the right time! Let's not demoralize him in his early years (like you said we lost Dhawan's early time to accomodate seniors) Having said that, they should take strict actions against his antics and make him concentrate on the game...
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How can I or we demoralise him? I'm one guy on a forumn sharing an opinion about jaiswal 🫥.
 
harshjoshi87 said:
Solid opener so what? Will drop catches. He can better go back to sell pani puris.

Solid opener could score only 1 century in 10 innings in Australia.

Now that he has completed the 1 hundred qouta on the road at Headingley, he is bound to fail in remaining 9 innings of current series.

The way he was behaving at the end yesterday, one could clearly see his antics. Won't be part of the Indian team for long.
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You cannot drop a batsman based on dropped catches (in tests at least). His primary skill is batting, if he is not consistent in that, he will definitely be dropped over the time. But a young batsman (with lots of time to learn & improve) has to be groomed if he has shown promise (especially an opener for Indian Test Team, that's gold, at least I hope the team management understands this, whatever you might think!)

He scored centuries on his first tours to both SENA countries - England & Australia (missed out on South Africa). Scored century in West Indies and scored double centuries at home against England... These are all Solid Performances. (I did not say that he has not made mistakes & he is perfect). There are times when India struggled to find a proper opener even in home test matches (make shift openers like Manoj Prabhakar, Nayan Mongia, Sanjay Bangar, etc).

That's why even KL Rahul is persisted in tests even though he is so inconsistent. Management understands that its a crucial position (opener) and you can't experiment much... Forget openers India is struggling to find a proper batsman at No.5, No.6 (and even No.3 now after Pujara's exit, even No.4 - Kohli's position is yet to be properly acquired by Gill). Pant is being asked to bat at No.5, because we don't have enough reliable middle order batsmen! We are playing 5 bowlers (and calling that as aggressive mode) more because we don't have quality test standard batsmen which is the actual fact! In reality just 4 specialist bowlers are enough for tests (instead of 3 full-time bowlers + 2 bits & piece we have in the team right now).

Jaiswal, Rahul & Pant are the reliable batsmen in the team at the moment... Next best is actually Jadeja! Jadeja is in the team mainly because of his batting abilities - otherwise Kuldeep would be playing (Gill is a rookie, but surprisingly he is the captain!) And then people scream at Jaiswal, Rahul & Pant... (as if there are many waiting in the wings... We are finding it out slowly one by one - Karun Nair, Sarfaraz......)

In terms of fielding, if Jaiswal is poor - he should be hidden somewhere (in possible non-catching zones). But these days batsmen tend to bat aggressively, so catching in deep is also important in tests. So he should strictly be given catching sessions by coach and made to bend his ass working on catching, fitness, whatever...
 
mominsaigol said:
How can I or we demoralise him? I'm one guy on a forumn sharing an opinion about jaiswal 🫥.
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We are the reflections of reality, surprisingly & strangely our views will reach the concerned persons through some means (media, commentators, etc).
 
RamLakhan said:
We are the reflections of reality, surprisingly & strangely our views will reach the concerned persons through some means (media, commentators, etc).
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Only if a snowball effect is created.

So far very few people are attacking jaiswal
 
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