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Are you concerned about the spread of Coronavirus in the world?

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sindhiboy said:
the majority of the deaths are the elderly.

80% of the cases dont need hospitalization according to Sirris's doc. not saying cornoa is bad
but it is not nearly as deadly as ebola, which had 25-500% mortality rate
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From a virus point of view Ebola is a dumb virus. People who have it get seriously ill pretty quickly and most likely die.

A virus's goal is to hijack the human body, live in it and multiply (while taking over the world) . It doesn't want to kill us humans because if we die than the virus dies. Humans still end up having negative health effects once the virus is in our body. Hence the virus is bad for us.

Corona is a "smarter" virus than Ebola. It takes a while since the first symptoms show up and in the meantime the virus can secretly spread all over the globe.

Ebola was easily contained in west Africa and didn't spread globally. Corona being the smarter virus has now spread globally and humans are still having a hard time getting it under control. It has infected far more humans than Ebola ever did hence despite the lower mortality rate more humans are likely to die due to Corona than Ebola ever did.

80% don't need hospitalization and still hospital in the affected areas ending up exhausted.

We all need to take this seriously and do our part to stop the virus. Listen to the authorities, have good hygiene, spread proper and verified information and keep distance if you feel some flu like symptoms.
 
Some people are saying that UK has been similarly complacent to Italy who didn't take it seriously when first reports broke. Only afterwards was the true extent known as initial symptoms were passed off as flu. Some are saying we are at the same stage Italy was two weeks ago.

I seriously hope this is just scaremongering on social media, because it would be pretty scandalous if we misjudged it.
 
Man City defender Benjamin Mendy is in self-isolation as a precaution after a family member was tested for coronavirus.
 
Very concerned for elderly relatives, of which I have a few.
 
Three players at Premier League club Leicester City have shown symptoms of coronavirus and have been isolated, the team's manager has said.

Brendan Rodgers said: "We've had a few players that have shown symptoms and signs (of coronavirus). We've followed procedures and (as a precaution) they have been kept away from the squad," Rodgers said.

"We've self-isolated the three of them and we'll see how that develops in the next couple of days
 
There will be no ban on UK sporting events just yet as the government steps up its response to the coronavirus pandemic.
 
Arsenal manager Mikel Arteta has tested positive for coronavirus.
 
James said:
Very concerned for elderly relatives, of which I have a few.
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Ask them to self quarantine as much as they can. We (young people) should help them in arranging food and medicines. Social distancing is the only way forward.
 
Extremely concerned. I live in the UK, where the cases are rising every day and I travel to work daily using a tram and a bus, so I am extremely worried that I might catch this virus.

Unfortunately, we have an absolute idiot in charge in Boris Johnson, who hasn't done anything to prevent the spread of virus. The whole of UK should have been on lockdown by now. School, Universities, Work places should be closed and people should stay at home for the next few weeks, until they are able to get this virus under control. Unfortunately, they are waiting for things to get as bad as they are in Italy, before they do anything. Bunch of incompetent morons.
 
The_KING said:
Extremely concerned. I live in the UK, where the cases are rising every day and I travel to work daily using a tram and a bus, so I am extremely worried that I might catch this virus.

Unfortunately, we have an absolute idiot in charge in Boris Johnson, who hasn't done anything to prevent the spread of virus. The whole of UK should have been on lockdown by now. School, Universities, Work places should be closed and people should stay at home for the next few weeks, until they are able to get this virus under control. Unfortunately, they are waiting for things to get as bad as they are in Italy, before they do anything. Bunch of incompetent morons.
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Imo it's not incompetentcy, it cant be when we know Italy is lockdown.

UK citizens need to wake up and realise we have a right wing, extremist, lovers of the rich government. They do not want businesses to lose money knowing people will die due to their policy. This is why Boris stated 'many more families are going to lose loved ones before their time'.

Sick pay is still up in the air for most employees, they want people to risk their health for profit.

My advice, ignore the government guidelines. See information about the virus from real experts and do what you need to in order to protect yourself.

The myth only old people are dying will soon be out in the open.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Imo it's not incompetentcy, it cant be when we know Italy is lockdown.

UK citizens need to wake up and realise we have a right wing, extremist, lovers of the rich government. They do not want businesses to lose money knowing people will die due to their policy. This is why Boris stated 'many more families are going to lose loved ones before their time'.

Sick pay is still up in the air for most employees, they want people to risk their health for profit.

My advice, ignore the government guidelines. See information about the virus from real experts and do what you need to in order to protect yourself.

The myth only old people are dying will soon be out in the open.
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Only old people are dying here in Italy, I can confirm that.

But the thing is, what do you define as old? For me, a 60 year old man with diabetes/heart conditions should live 10-15 more years. Him dying is a tragedy.

The bigger issue is that 20% of patients need hospital attention. That's the killer. Beds are going to be short and doctors will have to choose which patients to give priority to soon.

And this is with us taking action far faster than your government in the UK has.

Mark my words, we'll peak by the 23rd or 24th because of the lockdown and then get back to some semblance of normalcy by mid-April.... at which point, you'll be at the peak and much worse than us
 
InziRules said:
Only old people are dying here in Italy, I can confirm that.

But the thing is, what do you define as old? For me, a 60 year old man with diabetes/heart conditions should live 10-15 more years. Him dying is a tragedy.

The bigger issue is that 20% of patients need hospital attention. That's the killer. Beds are going to be short and doctors will have to choose which patients to give priority to soon.

And this is with us taking action far faster than your government in the UK has.

Mark my words, we'll peak by the 23rd or 24th because of the lockdown and then get back to some semblance of normalcy by mid-April.... at which point, you'll be at the peak and much worse than us
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How is it in supermarkets? Is there enough food present??

And what about the cashier in these shops?
 
kaayal said:
How is it in supermarkets? Is there enough food present??

And what about the cashier in these shops?
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Food is present, water is present. Cashier has a mask and glove. Lines to enter, as limited number of people allowed to enter at a time. 1 meter distance between anyone in line too
 
InziRules said:
Food is present, water is present. Cashier has a mask and glove. Lines to enter, as limited number of people allowed to enter at a time. 1 meter distance between anyone in line too
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Ok. Good to know that.
 
You know things are bad when Donald Trump the president of the "greatest civilization" on earth calls for a national day of prayer when just a couple of days ago he wouldn't even acknowledge an issue.
 
Very concerned now, one patient with corona virus in my hospital died yesterday. I did not manage that patient but will be managing such patients in coming days, here in USA.
 
Precautions are good, panic is not.

There is a ever increasing misguided belief that the only way to control this virus, is shut everything down

Swine flu was hardly something benign, it killed tens of thousands of Americans alone, including many children, yet it didnt provoke such panic

Everyone points to Wuhan as the recipe to follow, by imposing curfews. What they omit is that Korea, Hong Kong, Taiwan and Singapore all controlled their cases, by taking strong measures, but they did not lockdown the way Wuhan and now Italy did.
 
Sirris said:
From a virus point of view Ebola is a dumb virus. People who have it get seriously ill pretty quickly and most likely die.

A virus's goal is to hijack the human body, live in it and multiply (while taking over the world) . It doesn't want to kill us humans because if we die than the virus dies. Humans still end up having negative health effects once the virus is in our body. Hence the virus is bad for us.

Corona is a "smarter" virus than Ebola. It takes a while since the first symptoms show up and in the meantime the virus can secretly spread all over the globe.

Ebola was easily contained in west Africa and didn't spread globally. Corona being the smarter virus has now spread globally and humans are still having a hard time getting it under control. It has infected far more humans than Ebola ever did hence despite the lower mortality rate more humans are likely to die due to Corona than Ebola ever did.

80% don't need hospitalization and still hospital in the affected areas ending up exhausted.

We all need to take this seriously and do our part to stop the virus. Listen to the authorities, have good hygiene, spread proper and verified information and keep distance if you feel some flu like symptoms
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You are definitely more versed in viruses than the average person :)

How would you compared the current virus to Swine flu? Swine flu killed at a much faster rate in the US, but people were not panicking back then.

Is this more dangerous than Swine flu ?
 
Some points...

Large gatherings need to be stopped and schools closed etc.

But hysteria and projections predicting millions of deaths are just hyperbole.

if you take the US as an example, the first case was "found" in late January, since this virus is contagious, it has been running free to spread for many weeks. In spite of that, you have relatively very few hospitalizations.

What this could mean is there are large number of infected people, but a small % of them require hospitalization

If you look at Korea, they have a very low fatality rate (definitely less than 100 dead), yet many people infected. However, they also have a high testing rate.
If you could extend their testing rate to the US you would find many more infections, and the fatality rate would be lower.
 
Well 21 dead here in the UK and as predicted they are all old and had pre existing health conditions...

It's a tough one...for me as someone with no living grandparents...a mother in her early 50s...friends and colleagues as old as me....so on a personal level i'm not particularly concerned really...I wash my hands...and tbf I don't really care if I contract the virus...ideally of course I wouldn't cos that would essentially close my workplace for a couple weeks...

Those with elderly parents or grandparents are naturally worried cos they are essentially the at risk group...some do that 'care about wider society' thing even if it doesn't effect them directly...often also while emptying out store shelves for their selfish needs...some genuinely do care...some dumb young people are worried about getting it...some people are loving the opportunism and selling toilet paper and hand sanitiser online for huge profits...all sorts of reactions really...

One common denominator though if you are young is you're worried about the economic effects...as if our generation hasn't been shafted enough...and now this virus is going to screw people over even more...especially if you're on one of those 0 hour contracts...what if your living involves public gatherings...bartenders are worried...restaurant workers...me as a teacher im worried that the number of students is gonna dwindle and dwindle...we have already laid off three teachers since all our Italian students cancelled...and frankly praying that we can stay open for as long as possible...not really up for four months of quarantine...others can't wait for 4 month of Netflix :)
 
Hype is unprecedented.

More ppl die from Rabies and Malaria dammit (source: WHO)
Yet people love dogs and don't give 2 hoots about mosquitoes.

The only difference is we don't have a vaccine for it. However, that doesn't mean that we should cripple the economy for a virus with a mortality rate of less than 1% for those aged under 60.

Just keep your hands clean and don't sneeze on people. You'll be fine. Panic is more damaging than the virus itself. The biggest culprits are the mainstream media and idiots on social media claiming apocalypse/God's wrath etc etc.
 
Hadi Rizvi said:
Hype is unprecedented.

More ppl die from Rabies and Malaria dammit (source: WHO)
Yet people love dogs and don't give 2 hoots about mosquitoes.

The only difference is we don't have a vaccine for it. However, that doesn't mean that we should cripple the economy for a virus with a mortality rate of less than 1% for those aged under 60.

Just keep your hands clean and don't sneeze on people. You'll be fine. Panic is more damaging than the virus itself. The biggest culprits are the mainstream media and idiots on social media claiming apocalypse/God's wrath etc etc.
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Absolute nonsense...

In the UK for instance we average 6 deaths a year from Malaria...we haven't had a case of rabies in the UK since 2012...so honestly a ridiculous comment on your part...

The only difference isn't the vaccine...but the fact that the number of cases is essentially doubling daily at present...21 deaths in 1140 cases and only growing...

Italy has had 1441 deaths in a month...

But yes its idiots on social media and the mainstream media...also evidently completely unaware of the effect that government measures such as quarantining have...which are pretty much losing people their jobs...tell the three teachers my company laid off last week about the 'hype' and to just wash their hands and you'll be fine...

Not advocating panic...but spare us the condescension...
 
Common sense says to reduce large gatherings

Human group think though is dangerous; i have been reading and hearing how this new virus is 10 or 20 or 30 times more contagious and deadly than influenza, and when you check where they got the number from, its always some "expert" who is "predicting" based on some "model" he created

Same way, some medical person in Ohio said 100,000 people are affected in that state, which has so far seen less a hundred confirmed cases - a number pulled out of thin air just to create panic

If you compare to the common cold, here are the numbers for 2018-2019's flu season in America

"CDC estimates that the burden of illness during the 2018–2019 season included an estimated 35.5 million people getting sick with influenza, 16.5 million people going to a health care provider for their illness, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths from influenza"

yes, sadly 34000+ deaths in a mere 3-4 months in the US, and that included ~500 kids ....

And yes, the flu spreads from person to person just like this coronavirus..........
 
Hadi Rizvi said:
Hype is unprecedented.

The only difference is we don't have a vaccine for it. However, that doesn't mean that we should cripple the economy for a virus with a mortality rate of less than 1% for those aged under 60.

Just keep your hands clean and don't sneeze on people. You'll be fine.
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That means that half a million people in the UK could die. That’s a lot of beloved elders. Immunocompromised people. Asthmatics.

A lot of funerals and a lot of graves to dig. A lot of sad people deprived of decades of their grandparents. Much wisdom and guidance lost to families.

A lot of key staff lost to industry in the short term and long term. A lot of lost production.

A lot of sole traders seeing their customers cancel appointments. A lot of mortgage repossessions and the price of property starting to fall.
 
Not that concerned. Take precautions but no point living in fear. In our neighbourhood, people have hit the panic button and are hoarding up basic provisions - food items, medicines etc.
 
shaykh said:
Absolute nonsense...

In the UK for instance we average 6 deaths a year from Malaria...we haven't had a case of rabies in the UK since 2012...so honestly a ridiculous comment on your part...

The only difference isn't the vaccine...but the fact that the number of cases is essentially doubling daily at present...21 deaths in 1140 cases and only growing...

Italy has had 1441 deaths in a month...

But yes its idiots on social media and the mainstream media...also evidently completely unaware of the effect that government measures such as quarantining have...which are pretty much losing people their jobs...tell the three teachers my company laid off last week about the 'hype' and to just wash their hands and you'll be fine...

Not advocating panic...but spare us the condescension...
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Well mate, hate to break it to ya but the UK is not the world. Barely 0.001% of world population.
And as a Pakistani, I'm obviously saying all this from the point of view of 3rd world countries.

Come out of your tiny bubble.

A million people die from malaria annually in Pakistan. You don't see us scrambling to make mosquitoes extinct or massive queues for malaria vaccines. Spare us the hype will ya.

Ironic that you want to take the most extreme example(Italy) in terms of coronavirus deaths but the least worrying example(UK) in terms of malaria deaths.
 
Robert said:
That means that half a million people in the UK could die. That’s a lot of beloved elders. Immunocompromised people. Asthmatics.

A lot of funerals and a lot of graves to dig. A lot of sad people deprived of decades of their grandparents. Much wisdom and guidance lost to families.

A lot of key staff lost to industry in the short term and long term. A lot of lost production.

A lot of sole traders seeing their customers cancel appointments. A lot of mortgage repossessions and the price of property starting to fall.
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So you'd rather cripple world economy, trade, see young workforce lose their jobs, people scrambling for basic amenities rather than just let common sense prevail and quarantine the elders who btw are usually retired and much prefer to relax at home.
 
This "hype" will probably be there until there is a vaccine or a cure. People currently are in a shocked state of mind.
 
Hadi Rizvi said:
So you'd rather cripple world economy, trade, see young workforce lose their jobs, people scrambling for basic amenities rather than just let common sense prevail and quarantine the elders who btw are usually retired and much prefer to relax at home.
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The danger is that most healthcare systems will not be able to cope with the additional patients that are expected to arise. I know that the hospitals where I live will have a shortage of respirators for example.
 
Some of the posts on here are beyond stupid. Honestly, this is extremely shocking.

People who are not taking this thing seriously and think its an overreaction really don't understand what this is.
 
AFM said:
The danger is that most healthcare systems will not be able to cope with the additional patients that are expected to arise. I know that the hospitals where I live will have a shortage of respirators for example.
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This is definitely a concern, I'm an intensive care physician in a university hospital here in USA and we're trying to be prepared for such situation and hoping we won't have to, but so far we are doing OK. To some extend , we're confident we will handle it. But potential shortage of supplies is definitely a concern. Had USA realized the risk early, we would have been in better situation. But, not a time for blame game.
 
LongHorn said:
You are definitely more versed in viruses than the average person :)

How would you compared the current virus to Swine flu? Swine flu killed at a much faster rate in the US, but people were not panicking back then.

Is this more dangerous than Swine flu ?
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From my understanding the biggest danger is that the hospitals might run out of capacity to treat those who need to be hospitalized. No more oxygen machines and other facilities.

Swine flu was a variant of the common flu. A basic understanding was present. Some people including 60+ should even some immunity to it. 5% of the infected needed hospitalization. 0.1% was the mortality rate.

Right now the numbers show that with coronavirus 20% of the diagnosed need hospitalization. No immunity so far has been observed. Virus is relatively new and there is an information void. Keeping the underreporting in mind the experts say the mortality rate is around 1%, 10 times higher than swine flu.

Currently the biggest concern is the difficulty in trying to control the exponentiall growth. No European country has achieved it yet (though Denmark seems to be on a good path they locked down very early compared to rest of Europe).

If hospitals and health care sytem collapses than the mortality rate will be a lot higher since those who might have been saved by hospitalization won't even get the proper treatment. Those who need to be hospitalzed can be young or the elderly! The young just have a better chance of surving IF proper treatment can be provided.
 
Hadi Rizvi said:
Run along now.

Source link: https://informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/covid-19-coronavirus-infographic-datapack/

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Comparing the charts and numbers alone without a proper context is misleading. I don't want to go into full detail.

Just some things to consider: we know very well how HIV spreads and how simple measures can help prevent it's further spread. There is a vaccine for Hep B, Rabies and many other diseases listed. Malaria is spread by mosquitoes bites in tropical region. We have many ways to fight mosquitos hence limit it's spread. Most of the deaths by these diseases occur due to a lack of medical facility which indeed is quite tragic.

With the current virus the most developed medical facilities are getting tested and pushed to their limits. They are finding it challenging to contain it. Imagine what hovac could occur if the on spread is left unchecked and those places with far worse medical system have to face the same challenge.

I was eager to look at the chart on number of new infections per day but was disappointed to see it was missing. Some other chart that were missing would be number of hospitalization necessary per day and time passed until intensive care is required after initial infection.

Don't compare covid-19 with established and well understood diseases like HIV, Rabies, Malaria and Hep B. Compare it with the recent pandemics of past few decades like SARS, MERS and EBOLA and perhaps you might see some reasons to be concerned about and why things are different this time.

Yes people die every day for all sort of reasons but do we really want another and new thing to emerge and develop that can take away many lives? Besides things like alcohol overdose, reckless driving and unprotected sex are under my control to some extent and can be easily avoided.
 
The biggest beneficiary of this virus is the environment. The air in China and Italy is cleaner than it has been for decades. Maybe this is just nature's way of cleansing the Earth. And nature is indifferent to life.
 
Sirris said:
From my understanding the biggest danger is that the hospitals might run out of capacity to treat those who need to be hospitalized. No more oxygen machines and other facilities.

Swine flu was a variant of the common flu. A basic understanding was present. Some people including 60+ should even some immunity to it. 5% of the infected needed hospitalization. 0.1% was the mortality rate.

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Thank you!

Another thing, an increasing number of people are saying that without a Wuhan style lockdown, every country will end up like North Italy.

How can we explain countries like Japan, Singapore, Taiwan and Korea?

All of them had strict quarantine measures, but only for people who were near other positive infected people...

Perfectly healthy people were not choosing to lock themselves in their homes the way many people are doing voluntarily in the US.
 
shane said:
The biggest beneficiary of this virus is the environment. The air in China and Italy is cleaner than it has been for decades. Maybe this is just nature's way of cleansing the Earth. And nature is indifferent to life.
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If you look at it that way, then many of the things that media and "in" movements were pushing down our throats such as removing single use plastics, using reusable cups and straws etc., using public transport instead of driving are now supposed to be wrong because reusable bags spread virus, and public transport is a much bigger virus risk than a personal car
 
LongHorn said:
Thank you!

Another thing, an increasing number of people are saying that without a Wuhan style lockdown, every country will end up like North Italy.

How can we explain countries like Japan, Singapore, Taiwan and Korea?

All of them had strict quarantine measures, but only for people who were near other positive infected people...

Perfectly healthy people were not choosing to lock themselves in their homes the way many people are doing voluntarily in the US.
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Good question!

All those countries have one thing in common: East Asian.

This guy explains it

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

Skip to the eastern countries part for the answer.
 
I think people should keep expectations low about COVID-19 receding in the summer. MERS-COVID outbreak years ago started in Saudia Arabia, one of the hottest countries.
 
uberkoen said:
Some of the posts on here are beyond stupid. Honestly, this is extremely shocking.

People who are not taking this thing seriously and think its an overreaction really don't understand what this is.
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Very true. I was a bit like that perhaps three weeks ago when things were relatively calm in europe. Now however things are very different. One thing you can say is you need to try and get ahead of the virus as much as possible as there will be a peak and people will die.

I cant see anything in the realms of concern in the pakistani populace at the moment. And the same in the US.

Yes we ware all going to die but that doesnt mean you jump into a well headfirst.

At this moment in time they should be looking to declare an emergency in Sindh as its the most effected area. get it early, put extreme measures in place to stop the spread and slowly try and mitigate the effects..
 
Can anybody confirm whether coronavirus be transmitted from Humans to Animals? I have 2 pets(dogs) at home. Should i stop taking them for walks? I have been taking them on walks with muzzle on so that they don’t pick up something from streets.

They become restless if we don’t take them for walks or let them play in parks.
 
Babu Bhaiya said:
Can anybody confirm whether coronavirus be transmitted from Humans to Animals? I have 2 pets(dogs) at home. Should i stop taking them for walks? I have been taking them on walks with muzzle on so that they don’t pick up something from streets.

They become restless if we don’t take them for walks or let them play in parks.
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I don’t know if its the right thread to ask this question.
 
Babu Bhaiya said:
Can anybody confirm whether coronavirus be transmitted from Humans to Animals? I have 2 pets(dogs) at home. Should i stop taking them for walks? I have been taking them on walks with muzzle on so that they don’t pick up something from streets.

They become restless if we don’t take them for walks or let them play in parks.
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Yes, they can get infected. But there is no evidence that a dog can spread the disease or the disease can cause the animal to fall ill.

https://qz.com/1818227/the-who-says-that-dogs-cats-and-other-pets-can-get-coronavirus/
 
Babu Bhaiya said:
Thanks for the reply. So its better to keep them at home under current circumstances, isn’t it? Till the situation improves..
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Yes, even though low levels of virus were seen in dogs, it’s better not to take risk.
 
LongHorn said:
Thank you!

Another thing, an increasing number of people are saying that without a Wuhan style lockdown, every country will end up like North Italy.

How can we explain countries like Japan, Singapore, Taiwan and Korea?

All of them had strict quarantine measures, but only for people who were near other positive infected people...

Perfectly healthy people were not choosing to lock themselves in their homes the way many people are doing voluntarily in the US.
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Singapore and Korea are surviving because of their mass scale testing and isolation. More testing kits is what the world require now.
 
Babu Bhaiya said:
Thanks for the reply. So its better to keep them at home under current circumstances, isn’t it? Till the situation improves..
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a dog need not be infected to spread the virus. It can also walk or lick those infected surfaces and might spread virus to anyone in its vicinity. So it’s still better to not expose them in this situation
 
Worrying times.

Some Governments seem to be doing very little.
 
IMMY69 said:
I predict london to be locked down with military deployed to help elderly within 7 days.
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London will be in the top 5 cities of the world with most deaths imo, really really sad. Government knows already tens of thousands are infected in London and this will rise very quickly.
 
kaayal said:
Singapore and Korea are surviving because of their mass scale testing and isolation. More testing kits is what the world require now.
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Surviving for now...when they relax measures is when the method can be judged...draconian measures are useful in slowing the virus down...its been questioned as to whether it will actually prevent the virus from simply reappearing once the restrictions are lifted...

Theres no success story just yet...just different methods playing out...ideally all these methods work...
 
Babu Bhaiya said:
Thanks for the reply. So its better to keep them at home under current circumstances, isn’t it? Till the situation improves..
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I'd keep the dog on a leash and go outside. If you keep your distance from other people and you yourself don't have the virus then the dog won't have it either. In the case mentioned the dog was living with an infected person hence strong exposure to the virus.

That infected dog was so far the only anamoly hence why WHO only recently changed it's opinion.
 
Saj said:
Worrying times.

Some Governments seem to be doing very little.
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Being an intensive care physician in a university hospital here in USA , I am sure USA's preparation and handling of corona virus outbreak is probably the worst among the developed countries. Its beyond shameful.
 
LongHorn said:
If you look at it that way, then many of the things that media and "in" movements were pushing down our throats such as removing single use plastics, using reusable cups and straws etc., using public transport instead of driving are now supposed to be wrong because reusable bags spread virus, and public transport is a much bigger virus risk than a personal car
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Those things were not even close to being sufficient to help the planet - even if people were doing them (which most were not). They needed to close down factories, seriously reduce planes in the sky and cars on the road. Since humanity was refusing to do it voluntarily, nature is taking matters intoo its own hands.

I understand it is an odd way of looking at it but, in its own way, it is a bit reassuring to think that things happen for a reason.
 
Hadi Rizvi said:
Run along now.

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Another idiotic reply.

I would suggest you go have a look at the link below and play around with their tool that they have to understand the devastation this can cause due to how highly contagious this disease is

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...ronavirus-best-worst-death-toll-scenario.html

Also understand the fact that as more people get infected hospitals will be overrun and not everyone will be treated which will result in higher mortality rate. Just play with their sliders and you will see where Corona Virus falls unless we act on it now.
 
shaykh said:
Surviving for now...when they relax measures is when the method can be judged...draconian measures are useful in slowing the virus down...its been questioned as to whether it will actually prevent the virus from simply reappearing once the restrictions are lifted...

Theres no success story just yet...just different methods playing out...ideally all these methods work...
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All the world economies are going down, nobody can control it as of now. But we can save the vulnerables by social distancing as much as possible. Like WHO said the most effective way to prevent infections & save lives is breaking the chains of COVID19 transmission. To do that, you must test & isolate. You cannot fight a fire blindfolded. And we cannot stop this pandemic if we don’t know who is infected.
 
uberkoen said:
Another idiotic reply.

I would suggest you go have a look at the link below and play around with their tool that they have to understand the devastation this can cause due to how highly contagious this disease is

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...ronavirus-best-worst-death-toll-scenario.html

Also understand the fact that as more people get infected hospitals will be overrun and not everyone will be treated which will result in higher mortality rate. Just play with their sliders and you will see where Corona Virus falls unless we act on it now.
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You call him an idiot and then post a link to an article where the most common word is "could". He’s presented facts you’ve presented guesses – albeit loosely realistic guesses.

I had booked a holiday for 12 days and have just returned and all during my stay I was not worried for a moment about contracting the virus because its evident healthy young people are extremely unlikely to die from it. Call me selfish or cold but our ageing populations dying isn’t a concern for me either.

However the figures don’t lie, right now approximately 190k confirmed cases and 7.5k deaths that in the grand scheme of things is nothing. That’s less than 0.0001% of the global population. Even if we double the figure of 190k for unknown cases or perhaps even multiply it by 10 because the symptoms take a while to take effect, that’s still a fraction of the world’s population. It is nowhere near as big of a deal as the media and many people are making out. Stopping all travel because a few hundred people have died in a country? That’s ludicrous.

So rather than reading crap like the link you’ve posted, I decided to ask the real question. Why is everyone making a big deal out of this when based on facts and figures it’s not a big deal.
 
shah_1 said:
This is the worst disaster since world war 2
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Is it really?

190k confirmed cases and 7.5k deaths, that's 0.00002% of the global population. I can think of many disasters far worse than this.
 
bones said:
Is it really?

190k confirmed cases and 7.5k deaths, that's 0.00002% of the global population. I can think of many disasters far worse than this.
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It is only a start, just don't look at number of dead people but also consider world financial calamity. Mass poverty will follow as well.
 
shah_1 said:
It is only a start, just don't look at number of dead people but also consider world financial calamity. Mass poverty will follow as well.
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I agree that the financial ramifications are a disaster, but the virus itself isn't and won'y be. Based on numbers the virus isn't worth page 1 attention all over the world.

The opportunistic/forced recession is going to be a disaster.
 
Yes, majority of the people died were elderly or/and had some other underlying conditions but some of patient I'm involved in treating in ICU and non-ICU rooms are not old and have no underlying condition. So no one is safe from this virus.
 
bones said:
You call him an idiot and then post a link to an article where the most common word is "could". He’s presented facts you’ve presented guesses – albeit loosely realistic guesses.

I had booked a holiday for 12 days and have just returned and all during my stay I was not worried for a moment about contracting the virus because its evident healthy young people are extremely unlikely to die from it. Call me selfish or cold but our ageing populations dying isn’t a concern for me either.

However the figures don’t lie, right now approximately 190k confirmed cases and 7.5k deaths that in the grand scheme of things is nothing. That’s less than 0.0001% of the global population. Even if we double the figure of 190k for unknown cases or perhaps even multiply it by 10 because the symptoms take a while to take effect, that’s still a fraction of the world’s population. It is nowhere near as big of a deal as the media and many people are making out. Stopping all travel because a few hundred people have died in a country? That’s ludicrous.

So rather than reading crap like the link you’ve posted, I decided to ask the real question. Why is everyone making a big deal out of this when based on facts and figures it’s not a big deal.
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Wow.

This is extremely shocking.

"COULD" is the reason behind all the actions that are being taken because if no actions are taken COVID-19 could become the single most deadliest disease known to mankind and with how contagious it is it could impact 80% of the global population by summer.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30195-X/fulltext

Above is an article from the same source used by the earlier posted.

Why is everyone making a big deal out of it? Because mortality rates are estimated to be at around 5% (based on the same source as the OP). Imagine if no actions are taken and indeed 80% of the global population gets the disease. This will result in hospitals being overrun. Doctors and nurses getting sick. Which would then mean that a lot of people would go untreated. Which would result in an increase in the mortality rate.

This is why it is important to take action now before it spreads further. Look at cases like Kuwait where 3 people were reported to have the virus and the next day the number went up to over 300. In South Korea, a handful of people infected thousands (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51609840).

So I really think you should read crap that I've posted to understand what this disease really is and why these measures are being taken and educate yourself as to why this disease is so dangerous. Also, you do realize that this can mutate further? It has already done so twice in a few months. If it is not curtailed in time there is no telling what it will do further.
 
Nice role models. Keep the isolation strong.

Stay healthy. Drink plenty of herbal tea, don't forget to eat and sleep.
 
These are tough times for everyone. I know we can all get through this. We all got a lot to live for. Stay strong people!
 
uberkoen said:
Wow.

This is extremely shocking.

"COULD" is the reason behind all the actions that are being taken because if no actions are taken COVID-19 could become the single most deadliest disease known to mankind and with how contagious it is it could impact 80% of the global population by summer.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30195-X/fulltext

Above is an article from the same source used by the earlier posted.

Why is everyone making a big deal out of it? Because mortality rates are estimated to be at around 5% (based on the same source as the OP). Imagine if no actions are taken and indeed 80% of the global population gets the disease. This will result in hospitals being overrun. Doctors and nurses getting sick. Which would then mean that a lot of people would go untreated. Which would result in an increase in the mortality rate.

This is why it is important to take action now before it spreads further. Look at cases like Kuwait where 3 people were reported to have the virus and the next day the number went up to over 300. In South Korea, a handful of people infected thousands (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51609840).

So I really think you should read crap that I've posted to understand what this disease really is and why these measures are being taken and educate yourself as to why this disease is so dangerous. Also, you do realize that this can mutate further? It has already done so twice in a few months. If it is not curtailed in time there is no telling what it will do further.
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.Imagine if 1 % of the world population gets infected means 1 million will get killed(3% rate).
 
bones said:
Is it really?

190k confirmed cases and 7.5k deaths, that's 0.00002% of the global population. I can think of many disasters far worse than this.
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My friend, don't you realize how faulty your analysis is?

You are comparing the number of dead with the global population when the disease hasn't even spread globally! It has only now started to spread outside China now with luckily many African countries unaffected as of yet.

You are advocating nations to do nothing or at least not as much as they are doing right now but you don't realize that the numbers you are using to draw your conclusion are low thanks to the drastic measurements taken.

China for instance has 80k infected and 3200 dead. That's a 4% mortality rate. Now you could say no big deal. However keep in mind that China had to take drastic measures like putting a whole province in lockdown for 2 months to arrive at these numbers. These numbers don't reflect the progress of the virus and it's effects if no to little is done to combat it. Though UK might be the first case study in this regard looking at there reaction so far.
 
shah_1 said:
.Imagine if 1 % of the world population gets infected means 1 million will get killed(3% rate).
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Plus, we don't have the structure to treat that many sick people. If so many people get sick hospitals become overburdened and thereby are unable to treat everyone which will result in an increase in the mortality rate.
 
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