Are you satisfied with Imran Khan's handling of the Asia Bibi crisis?

[MenInG]

Has he taken the right course by challenging those opposed to Asia Bibi ruling by the Supreme Court?

 

[Kriketer]

Next step should be toss that idiotic preacher who is calling for heads on life time imprisonment, and throw all the supporters destroying public properties behind bar. These fanatic mullas will ruin Pakistan if they are allowed to express themselves regularly.

 

[LongHorn]

I think he has been incredibly mature, did not indulge in knee jerk western/modernity bashing in his speech

 

[CricketCartoons]

Was a pleasant surprise to see him assert his authority and give a veiled warning to the rabble rousers. Hope he continues to stand firmly behind the state institutions and doesn't play to the galleries.

 

[Couch Cricketer]

To early to tell the crises has just started though was a good first step

 

[Bewal Express]

He did what you expect a good leader to do

 

[Azmi]

People are stupid to not see the hypocrisy of Imran Khan.

This same Imran Khan vanished at the time of Red Mosque incident. He never condemned the terrorists at that time.

What to talk about condemning the terrorists of lal mosque, later Imran Khan went to this same lal mosque and after the Juma prayer delivered a speech there and put all the blame of the incident of red mosque upon the state.

This same Imran Khan said he was going to sit with TLP recently against the Government. And PTI officials attended the Dharnas too.

Imran Khan remembers the writ of the state only when he is himself in the government.

Imran Khan puts his personal interests above the interests of the Nation.

 

[InziRules]

People are stupid to not see the hypocrisy of Imran Khan.

This same Imran Khan vanished at the time of Red Mosque incident. He never condemned the terrorists at that time.

What to talk about condemning the terrorists of lal mosque, later Imran Khan went to this same lal mosque and after the Juma prayer delivered a speech there and put all the blame of the incident of red mosque upon the state.

This same Imran Khan said he was going to sit with TLP recently against the Government. And PTI officials attended the Dharnas too.

Imran Khan remembers the writ of the state only when he is himself in the government.

Imran Khan puts his personal interests above the interests of the Nation.

He's already made a U-Turn. Case to be reviewed.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

People are stupid to not see the hypocrisy of Imran Khan.

This same Imran Khan vanished at the time of Red Mosque incident. He never condemned the terrorists at that time.

What to talk about condemning the terrorists of lal mosque, later Imran Khan went to this same lal mosque and after the Juma prayer delivered a speech there and put all the blame of the incident of red mosque upon the state.

This same Imran Khan said he was going to sit with TLP recently against the Government. And PTI officials attended the Dharnas too.

Imran Khan remembers the writ of the state only when he is himself in the government.

Imran Khan puts his personal interests above the interests of the Nation.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Blast from the past <a href="https://t.co/WLIkBroiPl">pic.twitter.com/WLIkBroiPl</a></p>— Mubashir Zaidi (@Xadeejournalist) <a href="https://twitter.com/Xadeejournalist/status/1057850799907373056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 1, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[shah_1]

He's already made a U-Turn. Case to be reviewed.

How is it a U turn?

Its within the consitution for a review of SC judgement. Looks like you have no clue abour law. Everyone does it, look at Jhangir Tareen's review peition.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

How is it a U turn?

Its within the consitution for a review of SC judgement. Looks like you have no clue abour law. Everyone does it, look at Jhangir Tareen's review peition.

I think its more to do with actively pursuing a case under a draconian law. That too after a court acquittal. It’s a moral position more than a legal position of the government that is in question here.

 

[shah_1]

I think its more to do with actively pursuing a case under a draconian law. That too after a court acquittal. It’s a moral position more than a legal position of the government that is in question here.

No goverment can stop a review peition.

Respect law

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

No goverment can stop a review peition.

Respect law

I’m more interested in the party who has actually filed the review petition.

 

[Abdullah719]

I’m more interested in the party who has actually filed the review petition.

TLP, obviously.

 

[sjahmed23]

Yes. I think most Pakistanis want to see government do something about these lunatics. It is a massive problem and needs to be handled by government. If pak is to be self sustainable it needs to draw a line between religion and state and anyone that crosses it needs to be put away for good. This is what China does.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

TLP, obviously.

But they were never a direct party to the case. They are neither the defence nor the prosecution.

 

[Abdullah719]

But they were never a direct party to the case. They are neither the defence nor the prosecution.

Exactly.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">okie, so <a href="https://twitter.com/fawadchaudhry?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@fawadchaudhry</a> has told me there's no confusion w/ref to the review petition & putting Aasiya's name on the ECL. the govt is not filing a review petition & it won't. a petition has been filed by someone from the TLP, asking the SC that Aasiya bibi's name be put on the></p>— EH (@ejazhaider) <a href="https://twitter.com/ejazhaider/status/1058018114003185664?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 1, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">>ECL. that said, i spoke with an eminent lawyer who had this to say w/ref to the review petition: "A review can really only be filed by the [original] complainant Qari Salam or the State. All else is bluster that won't be entertained by the SC."</p>— EH (@ejazhaider) <a href="https://twitter.com/ejazhaider/status/1058018347521097730?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 1, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[sjahmed23]

In times like these, Pak government should take a play out of Indian government play book and create some border tension. Works everytime.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Exactly.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">okie, so <a href="https://twitter.com/fawadchaudhry?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@fawadchaudhry</a> has told me there's no confusion w/ref to the review petition & putting Aasiya's name on the ECL. the govt is not filing a review petition & it won't. a petition has been filed by someone from the TLP, asking the SC that Aasiya bibi's name be put on the></p>— EH (@ejazhaider) <a href="https://twitter.com/ejazhaider/status/1058018114003185664?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 1, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">>ECL. that said, i spoke with an eminent lawyer who had this to say w/ref to the review petition: "A review can really only be filed by the [original] complainant Qari Salam or the State. All else is bluster that won't be entertained by the SC."</p>— EH (@ejazhaider) <a href="https://twitter.com/ejazhaider/status/1058018347521097730?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 1, 2018</a></blockquote>
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So the whole thing is a fake news?

 

[Abdullah719]

So the whole thing is a fake news?

It would appear to be.

I'd like to reiterate that Fayyaz Chohan is a disaster...

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

It would appear to be.

I'd like to reiterate that Fayyaz Chohan is a disaster...

He probably wanted to emulate Captain Safdar or Abid Shair Ali. Pretty much succeeded.

 

[PakLFC]

Don't know what else he could do at the moment. He has done well in defending an innocent lady. The problem is the understanding of this law.

 

[Sirris]

There should not have been a media blackout to begin with. In the age of social media such tactics don't work. Also news channels should have mentioned on what basis she was released and how the court came to verdict of her innocence. If she was innocent.

 

[Major]

too early to say anything.

It depends how he handles TLP now.

Its day 2 and the situation is getting worse.

 

[Bewal Express]

too early to say anything.

It depends how he handles TLP now.

Its day 2 and the situation is getting worse.

Where is the apology based on fake news?

 

[Major]

Remember one thing, Imran Khan gave these guys more power when during PMLN's govt he supported TLP.

The TLP guys have given open threat to Army and Judiciary, he tried motivating the staff members to take assassination attempt on them

ANd yet no action is taken. Not even an arrest warrant?

ANd if one of the personal aids of the these guys take an attempt(like mumtaz qadri) then what?

I have said this many times, by bowing down to the demands of TLP you make them stronger day by day. The Prophet Cartoon is one example. Yes the govt got it done and it was not done due to the pressure of TLP, yet on the streets its known that TLP got it done.

 

[Bewal Express]

Remember one thing, Imran Khan gave these guys more power when during PMLN's govt he supported TLP.

The TLP guys have given open threat to Army and Judiciary, he tried motivating the staff members to take assassination attempt on them

ANd yet no action is taken. Not even an arrest warrant?

ANd if one of the personal aids of the these guys take an attempt(like mumtaz qadri) then what?

I have said this many times, by bowing down to the demands of TLP you make them stronger day by day. The Prophet Cartoon is one example. Yes the govt got it done and it was not done due to the pressure of TLP, yet on the streets its known that TLP got it done.

No the TLP got strong because the Nooras offered the Qadyanis the Khatam e Nabuwat carrot. Why did the Nooras do this and then lie about it? IK actually saved the country from violence which the Nooras wanted to create chaos in the midst of the Panama crisis.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

No the TLP got strong because the Nooras offered the Qadyanis the Khatam e Nabuwat carrot. Why did the Nooras do this and then lie about it? IK actually saved the country from violence which the Nooras wanted to create chaos in the midst of the Panama crisis.

You don’t need to drag my community into this discussion.

 

[Bewal Express]

You don’t need to drag my community into this discussion.

So mate but i am only stating what happened.

 

[Major]

No the TLP got strong because the Nooras offered the Qadyanis the Khatam e Nabuwat carrot. Why did the Nooras do this and then lie about it? IK actually saved the country from violence which the Nooras wanted to create chaos in the midst of the Panama crisis.

Ahsan Iqbal did the right thing.

SO you are saying that the state should decide on other peoples faith now?

According to your logic, THe supreme Court created this chaos by letting an innocent women go.

Ik's political party showed affiliation to that lot, that only made them stronger.

look you could keep denying it all you want.

But the fact is the current govt supported TLP on the wrongs and never took appropriate action. This also includes the army aswell.

 

[Major]

Where is the apology based on fake news?

remember one thing, you did not call the news fake, what you did was even defended that by bringing in PPP and Khursheed Shah

 

[DRsohail]

[MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] agreed with what you said in the thread.Spot on.

 

[slipcatch]

Remember one thing, Imran Khan gave these guys more power when during PMLN's govt he supported TLP.

IK supported their right to protest

The TLP guys have given open threat to Army and Judiciary, he tried motivating the staff members to take assassination attempt on them
Concerning and I expect the government to take action but it is Pakistan, no government can, current or past, sad reality of Pakistan.

ANd yet no action is taken. Not even an arrest warrant?

ANd if one of the personal aids of the these guys take an attempt(like mumtaz qadri) then what?

That is the risk Army, Lawer and other people have decided to take. Let's face the reality, the most Pakistani government or Army can do is arrest the leader which will not prevent any lunatic to become another Qadri, rather motivate them to become one.


I have said this many times, by bowing down to the demands of TLP you make them stronger day by day. The Prophet Cartoon is one example. Yes the govt got it done and it was not done due to the pressure of TLP, yet on the streets its known that TLP got it done.

Agree but you can't look at political situation without context.

As long as Asia Bibi remain free and allow as per her wish either to stay in Pakistan or leave, I am okay with how Pakistani government and judiciary handled this situation.

If it wasn't TLP, it would have been other right wing extremists religious group.

The only way to eliminate these groups is by improving economy and education. Majority of them have no jobs, no work and nothing better to do kill time.

 

[gazza619]

Though I personally didnt mind Khan being straight, strict and firm in his speech yesterday but on second thought I think he should have been a bit soft and should have invited the people protesting to a dialogue first. May be he didnt even needed to do address the nation and let his ministers handle the dirty game.

 

[gazza619]

Pakistan: Thousands protest blasphemy acquittal, ignore PM's call

Islamabad, Pakistan - Thousands of far-right religious demonstrators continue to block major roads across Pakistan in protest against the acquittal of a Christian woman in a high-profile blasphemy case.

The Tehreek-e-Labbaik Pakistan (TLP) political party, led by firebrand Muslim leader Khadim Rizvi, organised rallies in cities across the South Asian country on Thursday, despite a warning from Prime Minister Imran Khan not to "force the government to have to take action".

Aasia Bibi, 53, who was on death row for eight years, was acquitted by the country's top court on Wednesday, with judges saying the prosecution contained "glaring and stark" contradictions.

Shortly after the Supreme Court's landmark ruling was pronounced, Rizvi led a major protest outside government buildings in the eastern city of Lahore, with fellow TLP leaders declaring the three judges who acquitted Bibi to be "liable to be killed".

The sit-in protest in Lahore remained the largest TLP demonstration on Thursday, with other major demonstrations being held in the southern city of Karachi, Pakistan's largest. Protesters are also blockading a major highway into the capital, Islamabad.

Most schools and many businesses remained closed in all three cities through the day, with hospitals on high alert in case the protests turned violent. Highways were partially shut down and the federal cabinet held an emergency meeting to discuss the law and order situation.

Prime Minister Imran Khan, in a televised address to the nation, accused the TLP of attempting to stir religious sentiments for political gains.

"I say to these people: do not confront this state ... do not damage this country for your vote bank," said Khan.

"If you do this, I promise that the government will do its duty … I ask you: do not force the government to have to take action," he added.

On Thursday, Shehryar Afridi, Pakistan's minister of state for interior affairs, told parliament that talks were under way with protesters to end the standoff.


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018...acquittal-ignore-pm-call-181101140852399.html

 

[Bewal Express]

remember one thing, you did not call the news fake, what you did was even defended that by bringing in PPP and Khursheed Shah

And i make no apologies the govt would have been right right in its approach to enable it to take the heat out of the situation, but you jumped in based on fake news-remember people that rob the poor are just as big traitors as these Maulvis. Kurshid the loser tried to use the situation to get AZ a free card. It aint happening.

 

[Bewal Express]

Though I personally didnt mind Khan being straight, strict and firm in his speech yesterday but on second thought I think he should have been a bit soft and should have invited the people protesting to a dialogue first. May be he didnt even needed to do address the nation and let his ministers handle the dirty game.

Damned if you do, and .....

 

[CricketDon]

There should not have been a media blackout to begin with. In the age of social media such tactics don't work. Also news channels should have mentioned on what basis she was released and how the court came to verdict of her innocence. If she was innocent.

Terrifying views and perception. If people like you actually exist in the large I cry for Pakistan and the non Muslims.

 

[CricketDon]

If they can get her out of Pakistan and to a safe democratic country say the Uk. Then I’d be happy.

 

[RickyG]

You don’t need to drag my community into this discussion.

Nooras or Qadyanis? I'm asking because recently they've been on the same side.

 

[Waseem]

Remember one thing, Imran Khan gave these guys more power when during PMLN's govt he supported TLP.

The TLP guys have given open threat to Army and Judiciary, he tried motivating the staff members to take assassination attempt on them

ANd yet no action is taken. Not even an arrest warrant?

ANd if one of the personal aids of the these guys take an attempt(like mumtaz qadri) then what?

I have said this many times, by bowing down to the demands of TLP you make them stronger day by day. The Prophet Cartoon is one example. Yes the govt got it done and it was not done due to the pressure of TLP, yet on the streets its known that TLP got it done.

RUBBISH!

Check the differences first between 2 situations:

PMLN gov 2017
PMLN made some amendments which later became controversial. As soon as controversy started:

1 - Punjab government's Shahbaz Sharif and Rana Sanaullah were FIRST one to admit Rizvi has genuine demands and allowed him to stage dharna in Islamabad.
2 - Federal government did not own the amendment and instead tried to blame everyone around them. They did not not only admit it was a blunder but accused whole opposition to be also involved. Shafqat Mahmood of PTI was pinpointed as the culprit by PMLN government.
3 - Imran Khan did not give these idiots any power as there are videos available where these goons were calling him yahoodi agent even at that time. Yes Imran Khan could have come out strongly to support the government but only if government stood for themselves?? When Nawaz's own brother Shahbaz and Sanaullah said their demands were genuine then what could Imran do????

PTI government 2018

1- PTI gov has taken stance loud and clear that Supreme Court's verdict is final (same thing they said in Nawaz Sharif's case).

2 - PTI government did NOT accuse judges or opposition for any blunder like PMLN did and instead FULLY OWNS the decision made by Supreme court.

So please keep this PMLN propaganda to yourself that innocent Nawaz did not get support and Rizvi was empowered or supported by Imran Khan. Nawaz Sharif did not have guts to stand by his amendment if he really believed it was right thing to do and his own brother and party openly declared Rizvi's demands to be genuine.

 

[Sirris]

Terrifying views and perception. If people like you actually exist in the large I cry for Pakistan and the non Muslims.

Please do elaborate where exactly you disagree with my views.

Do you disagree with the fact that I am against media censorship? Especially since after the media blackout the extremist used social media to spread all kind of false news and emotional rethoric to moblizie ignorant masses.

Or do you disagree with the fact that the emotional masses should have been provided with a proper justification on this sensitive issue via proper media outlets so that the opportunistic extremist had a bit of a hard time to spread their poisonous venom.

At the very least I have a sober view of Pakistan and its population and know that for the most part a large portion of the population didn't have the proper education to think and behave rationally especially on emotional matter as these where religious extremist exploit the masses ignorance to the fullest. Pakistan isn't an utopia where logic and rationality prevails over emotional rethoric hence expecting people to act according to your moral values without any proper justification and education is utterly foolish and naive.

 

[CricketDon]

Please do elaborate where exactly you disagree with my views.

Do you disagree with the fact that I am against media censorship? Especially since after the media blackout the extremist used social media to spread all kind of false news and emotional rethoric to moblizie ignorant masses.

Or do you disagree with the fact that the emotional masses should have been provided with a proper justification on this sensitive issue via proper media outlets so that the opportunistic extremist had a bit of a hard time to spread their poisonous venom.

At the very least I have a sober view of Pakistan and its population and know that for the most part a large portion of the population didn't have the proper education to think and behave rationally especially on emotional matter as these where religious extremist exploit the masses ignorance to the fullest. Pakistan isn't an utopia where logic and rationality prevails over emotional rethoric hence expecting people to act according to your moral values without any proper justification and education is utterly foolish and naive.

The if she is innocent comment. She was always innocent even if she had negative views on prophet Mohammad.

He ain’t above criticism. He did a lot of things that raise eyebrows and are questionable to non Muslims.

Blasmephy laws are disturbing and are barbaric. Pakistan is a fake democracy. Run by crooks.

Hopefully Imran Khan can change things.

 

[Madplayer]

The if she is innocent comment. She was always innocent even if she had negative views on prophet mobammed.

He ain’t above criticism. He did a lot of things that raise eyebrows and are questionable to non Muslims.

Blasmephy laws are disturbing and are barbaric. Pakistan is a fake democracy. Run by crooks.

Hopefully Imran Khan can change things.

For muslims Prophet Muhammad (saww) or any other prophet is above criticism because they are considered sinless.

However, i agree that blasphemy laws should be repealed. We shouldnt forget that it was the colonialists who instated the blasphemy law in Indian subcontinent.

 

[CricketCartoons]

For muslims Prophet Muhammad (saww) or any other prophet is above criticism because they are considered sinless.

However, i agree that blasphemy laws should be repealed. We shouldnt forget that it was the colonialists who instated the blasphemy law in Indian subcontinent.

We also shouldn't forget that the colonialists brought in blasphemy laws to control riots. there was no blasphemy law when the Q-e-A lost the only case of his career.

 

[Madplayer]

We also shouldn't forget that the colonialists brought in blasphemy laws to control riots. there was no blasphemy law when the Q-e-A lost the only case of his career.

Blasphemy laws have out lasted their usefullness. No reason to continue with them today. Only thing which could be supported is punishment for making hate speeches in a public place. And even that can be misused by some groups.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Blasphemy laws have out lasted their usefullness. No reason to continue with them today. Only thing which could be supported is punishment for making hate speeches in a public place. And even that can be misused by some groups.

Blasphemy laws are needed for places like india and pakistan. at least the religious figures of the majority religion should be protected from insults. But the quantum of punishment should be 1-2 years of jail, not death, as religion is all about mercy and kindness.

 

[Slog]

Ahsan Iqbal did the right thing.

SO you are saying that the state should decide on other peoples faith now?

According to your logic, THe supreme Court created this chaos by letting an innocent women go.

Ik's political party showed affiliation to that lot, that only made them stronger.

look you could keep denying it all you want.

But the fact is the current govt supported TLP on the wrongs and never took appropriate action. This also includes the army aswell.

Imran Khan made them stronger but not PML-N whose leaders including Shehbaz Sharif and Capt Safdar facilitated sit in

 

[Madplayer]

Blasphemy laws are needed for places like india and pakistan. at least the religious figures of the majority religion should be protected from insults. But the quantum of punishment should be 1-2 years of jail, not death, as religion is all about mercy and kindness.

I disagree. The glorious religious figures dont need us puny people to protect them. They never asked for it. Secondly, another problem with blasphemy law is the manner in which guilt is proved. Somebody accuses somebody of something and emotional people get on his bandwagon without demanding proof. Its plain stupid.

 

[Major]

And i make no apologies the govt would have been right right in its approach to enable it to take the heat out of the situation, but you jumped in based on fake news-remember people that rob the poor are just as big traitors as these Maulvis. Kurshid the loser tried to use the situation to get AZ a free card. It aint happening.

so the fact that an innocent women who had been placed in jail for 8 years for a crime she didn't do and while her life was at risk in this country you try to place her on ECL and use her as pawn, you were alright with this?

Yup, you guys will defend anything.

 

[Syed1]

so the fact that an innocent women who had been placed in jail for 8 years for a crime she didn't do and while her life was at risk in this country you try to place her on ECL and use her as pawn, you were alright with this?

Yup, you guys will defend anything.

What part of fake news is so hard for your thick brain to understand???? The government never put her on ECL.

 

[InziRules]

And i make no apologies the govt would have been right right in its approach to enable it to take the heat out of the situation, but you jumped in based on fake news-remember people that rob the poor are just as big traitors as these Maulvis. Kurshid the loser tried to use the situation to get AZ a free card. It aint happening.

What part of fake news is so hard for your thick brain to understand???? The government never put her on ECL.

Right, I agree, it was fake news.

Let's not talk about Imran's government, PTI, Nooras, and fake news for a second. Let's talk about you two.

When the fake news came out, you said, in arguing with me, [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] and [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] :

This is a clever move to to take the heat out of tbe situation Because again they are processes that need to be followed. If she left the country then those appeals are meaningless which would be used by Rizvi and co to tell tgeir followers that its a conspiracy.

And you backed him up.

So my question here is, was the action given in the fake news the right course of action, or the one Imran is taking now by not backing down?

And let's stick to the answer without Nooras, Fake news, etc.

I'm more than ready to accept an answer where you say both courses are right and have some positives, btw. But once you give that answer, don't change it to suit whatever deal PTI reaches.

 

[Bewal Express]

Imran Khan made them stronger but not PML-N whose leaders including Shehbaz Sharif and Capt Safdar facilitated sit in

He also wanted IK to fight battles that the Nooras didnt want to fight.

 

[Bewal Express]

Right, I agree, it was fake news.

Let's not talk about Imran's government, PTI, Nooras, and fake news for a second. Let's talk about you two.

When the fake news came out, you said, in arguing with me, [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] and [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] :


And you backed him up.

So my question here is, was the action given in the fake news the right course of action, or the one Imran is taking now by not backing down?

And let's stick to the answer without Nooras, Fake news, etc.

I'm more than ready to accept an answer where you say both courses are right and have some positives, btw. But once you give that answer, don't change it to suit whatever deal PTI reaches.

Taking the heat out of the situation and waiting for Juma to be over is a decent strategy. If the review petition is put forward by the state then again, its part of the law and the state was the prosecutor- not something i would advocate but it buys time. Ultimately, when Juma is over and they are still blocking roads illegally, then enough is enough and the state has to show whose boss.

 

[Bewal Express]

so the fact that an innocent women who had been placed in jail for 8 years for a crime she didn't do and while her life was at risk in this country you try to place her on ECL and use her as pawn, you were alright with this?

Yup, you guys will defend anything.

ECL- maybe AZ is also using bank accounts to spread rubbish.

 

[Major]

What part of fake news is so hard for your thick brain to understand???? The government never put her on ECL.

typical syed getting personal.

read the conversation i was having with him.

 

[Major]

Right, I agree, it was fake news.

Let's not talk about Imran's government, PTI, Nooras, and fake news for a second. Let's talk about you two.

When the fake news came out, you said, in arguing with me, [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] and [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] :


And you backed him up.

So my question here is, was the action given in the fake news the right course of action, or the one Imran is taking now by not backing down?

And let's stick to the answer without Nooras, Fake news, etc.

I'm more than ready to accept an answer where you say both courses are right and have some positives, btw. But once you give that answer, don't change it to suit whatever deal PTI reaches.

exactly, the news turned out to be fake.

But it proved our point that they were willing to defend this act of PTI aswell.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

so the fact that an innocent women who had been placed in jail for 8 years for a crime she didn't do and while her life was at risk in this country you try to place her on ECL and use her as pawn, you were alright with this?

Yup, you guys will defend anything.

They didn't.

Either you are stupid or deliberately distorting information? Decide which one is it.

 

[Bewal Express]

RUBBISH!

Check the differences first between 2 situations:

PMLN gov 2017
PMLN made some amendments which later became controversial. As soon as controversy started:

1 - Punjab government's Shahbaz Sharif and Rana Sanaullah were FIRST one to admit Rizvi has genuine demands and allowed him to stage dharna in Islamabad.
2 - Federal government did not own the amendment and instead tried to blame everyone around them. They did not not only admit it was a blunder but accused whole opposition to be also involved. Shafqat Mahmood of PTI was pinpointed as the culprit by PMLN government.
3 - Imran Khan did not give these idiots any power as there are videos available where these goons were calling him yahoodi agent even at that time. Yes Imran Khan could have come out strongly to support the government but only if government stood for themselves?? When Nawaz's own brother Shahbaz and Sanaullah said their demands were genuine then what could Imran do????

PTI government 2018

1- PTI gov has taken stance loud and clear that Supreme Court's verdict is final (same thing they said in Nawaz Sharif's case).

2 - PTI government did NOT accuse judges or opposition for any blunder like PMLN did and instead FULLY OWNS the decision made by Supreme court.

So please keep this PMLN propaganda to yourself that innocent Nawaz did not get support and Rizvi was empowered or supported by Imran Khan. Nawaz Sharif did not have guts to stand by his amendment if he really believed it was right thing to do and his own brother and party openly declared Rizvi's demands to be genuine.

[MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION]
Your lies are exposed again. You like some on here want to blame IK for the events last year. Is there anything that you have got right? Its hardly surprising, afterall you are a supporter of the crooked AZ

 

[Major]

They didn't.

Either you are stupid or deliberately distorting information? Decide which one is it.

do bother to read the whole conversation before retorting to personal attacks

 

[aukhan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Karachi to Gilgit Pak is burning & rulers least bothered. Instead they are travelling abroad or boasting of invisible "achievements"!</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/187381142075355136?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 4, 2012</a></blockquote>
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What the heck he is doing in China. What is more important atm.

 

[Bewal Express]

do bother to read the whole conversation before retorting to personal attacks

Why don’t you answer the points raised by [MENTION=135]Waseem[/MENTION].

 

[Bewal Express]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Karachi to Gilgit Pak is burning & rulers least bothered. Instead they are travelling abroad or boasting of invisible "achievements"!</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/187381142075355136?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 4, 2012</a></blockquote>
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What the heck he is doing in China. What is more important atm.

It was preplanned to sort out the financial mess left by the Nooras but I agree he needs to be back.

 

[aukhan]

It was preplanned to sort out the financial mess left by the Nooras but I agree he needs to be back.

All tours are pre-planned for PMs whether its Imran, Nawaz or Abbassi. This guy should practice what he preached. Look at the country's situation. Postponing the tour wouldn't have hurt anyone.

 

[Bewal Express]

All tours are pre-planned for PMs whether its Imran, Nawaz or Abbassi. This guy should practice what he preached. Look at the country's situation. Postponing the tour wouldn't have hurt anyone.

Well it would as the Foreign exchange reserves are in effect zero and the chinese are one of the govts that are supporting but I take your point at that this point,he needs to be back as this is even more important. I think the decision has been made that if no agreement is made by the end of today, then the full writ of the state needs to be reestablished.

 

[saeedhk]

Videos of these rabid hogs setting alight brand new Corolla cars are horrifying. Who will compensate the owners?They should have spent their whole lives’ savings to buy them.

 

[saeedhk]

Very poor handling. He was all hot air. He should have banned public gatherings and deployed police throughout the country.

He has left Pakistan at the hands of mobs. There is no rule of law. Mobs are openly looting shops and destroying property.

Imran Khan has been a huge disappointment.

 

[Major]

Very poor handling. He was all hot air. He should have banned public gatherings and deployed police throughout the country.

He has left Pakistan at the hands of mobs. There is no rule of law. Mobs are openly looting shops and destroying property.

Imran Khan has been a huge disappointment.

All these political parties and the army are a joke.

No one is willing to exterminate these guys completely. They just want to do negotiate thats it. THese buffoons dont understand that even if they negotiate today and get the problem solved by monday, the TLP guys will again be taking the city hostage after a few months for a new issue.

People talk about how prestigious our army is and this and that. One of the TLP guys straight forwardly insulted the army and yet they take sit shut and say pleae dont drag us in the Asia case we have nothing to do with it.

PTI supported these guys, now its time they finish them off. But to the PM his seat is more important thus he isn't going to take any risk.

Imran used to bash Mushraffe, atleast that guy got that Lal Masjid encounter done. After that, those lunatics haven't dare to create a mass problem

 

[Asim_khan]

He's handled it masterfully, the population will see the hypocrisy of the mullah brigade.

Neo Liberals wanna see a civil war which they themselves don't wanna fight, instead sit back and watch the army/cjp/Pti tackle the mullah brigade, imran khan isn't giving them this so they're getting upset.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Meanwhile Maulana Sami ul haq has been assassinated. This is getting uglier with each passing hour.

 

[RickyG]

All these political parties and the army are a joke.

No one is willing to exterminate these guys completely. They just want to do negotiate thats it. THese buffoons dont understand that even if they negotiate today and get the problem solved by monday, the TLP guys will again be taking the city hostage after a few months for a new issue.

People talk about how prestigious our army is and this and that. One of the TLP guys straight forwardly insulted the army and yet they take sit shut and say pleae dont drag us in the Asia case we have nothing to do with it.

PTI supported these guys, now its time they finish them off. But to the PM his seat is more important thus he isn't going to take any risk.

Imran used to bash Mushraffe, atleast that guy got that Lal Masjid encounter done. After that, those lunatics haven't dare to create a mass problem

You can’t exterminate 30-40% of your population unfortunately.

 

[the Great Khan]

an orchestrated plan to sow terror and restart the war on terror is underway..

 

[the Great Khan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Karachi to Gilgit Pak is burning & rulers least bothered. Instead they are travelling abroad or boasting of invisible "achievements"!</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/187381142075355136?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 4, 2012</a></blockquote>
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What the heck he is doing in China. What is more important atm.

he will be back today but he is trying to save the economy otherwise there wont be a Pakistan left to burn down..

 

[slipcatch]

All these political parties and the army are a joke.

No one is willing to exterminate these guys completely. They just want to do negotiate thats it. THese buffoons dont understand that even if they negotiate today and get the problem solved by monday, the TLP guys will again be taking the city hostage after a few months for a new issue.

People talk about how prestigious our army is and this and that. One of the TLP guys straight forwardly insulted the army and yet they take sit shut and say pleae dont drag us in the Asia case we have nothing to do with it.

PTI supported these guys, now its time they finish them off. But to the PM his seat is more important thus he isn't going to take any risk.

Imran used to bash Mushraffe, atleast that guy got that Lal Masjid encounter done. After that, those lunatics haven't dare to create a mass problem

Dumbest suggestion, which shows naivety and lack of understanding of the situation.

 

[slipcatch]

He's handled it masterfully, the population will see the hypocrisy of the mullah brigade.

Neo Liberals wanna see a civil war which they themselves don't wanna fight, instead sit back and watch the army/cjp/Pti tackle the mullah brigade, imran khan isn't giving them this so they're getting upset.

Protest will die down eventually, but tackling with force will energize it and make it worse.

Majority of these fake scholars and muallahs are thieves, they do not have it in them to sit on streets for days.

 

[Bewal Express]

an orchestrated plan to sow terror and restart the war on terror is underway..

You can see all the forces at play. Time for a state emergency and the treacherous Maulvis and their backers to be locked up.

 

[saeedhk]

All these political parties and the army are a joke.

No one is willing to exterminate these guys completely. They just want to do negotiate thats it. THese buffoons dont understand that even if they negotiate today and get the problem solved by monday, the TLP guys will again be taking the city hostage after a few months for a new issue.

People talk about how prestigious our army is and this and that. One of the TLP guys straight forwardly insulted the army and yet they take sit shut and say pleae dont drag us in the Asia case we have nothing to do with it.

PTI supported these guys, now its time they finish them off. But to the PM his seat is more important thus he isn't going to take any risk.

Imran used to bash Mushraffe, atleast that guy got that Lal Masjid encounter done. After that, those lunatics haven't dare to create a mass problem

Exactly. See how the army distanced itself from all this today. The army cares more about its reputation than saving the country. Absolute joke.

The PTI-led government is still saying it will not use force after three days of chaos. What is the point of having a government if citizens are unsafe.

 

[the Great Khan]

Exactly. See how the army distanced itself from all this today. The army cares more about its reputation than saving the country. Absolute joke.

The PTI-led government is still saying it will not use force after three days of chaos. What is the point of having a government if citizens are unsafe.

Because its a trap. it is not the army's job to come out onto the street. As soon as that happens all bets are off and then you'll be crying about martial law etc.

We need to see police and rangers on the streets immediatley and checkposts and a lockdown till things calm down. This is an orchestrated attempt to cause sectarian strife and restart the WOT in pakistan. We know who is responsible. Just look at the timing.

 

[Bewal Express]

Exactly. See how the army distanced itself from all this today. The army cares more about its reputation than saving the country. Absolute joke.

The PTI-led government is still saying it will not use force after three days of chaos. What is the point of having a government if citizens are unsafe.

Lets see how this plays out. Especially as Maulvis wanted the COAS to go, i think the time for negotiations will stop after today.

 

[the Great Khan]

Lets see how this plays out. Especially as Maulvis wanted the COAS to go, i think the time for negotiations will stop after today.

The army is not afraid to take these mob on. They fought similar groups for years but we cannot afford another WOT. We know who wants to restart things. They've been threatening us for months..