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After the pic was taken, India has already reached 2nd place and has a big chance of going to first place in 2nd innings of this test
 
Also to be noted, Virat Kohli amassed heaps of runs on the same pitches. Masterclass by the King.
 
They have been fantastic as a unit. Well done. Has Bhuvi Kumar not played many tests this year?
 
BreadPakoda said:
Also to be noted, Virat Kohli amassed heaps of runs on the same pitches. Masterclass by the King.
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That's the fascinating part. Kohli made runs and pacers took wickets. Would have been a bumper year for India if only a couple more batsmen stuck around. SA series was close and Eng was closer despite the score line. This India team made test cricket fascinating again this year. U beatable at home and highly competitive abroad.

That's what makes compelling viewing when teams perform well and compete overseas. It was great to see Eng win in SL, Pak running SW close and SL competing against NZ until yesterday
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Bilal7 said:
They have been fantastic as a unit. Well done. Has Bhuvi Kumar not played many tests this year?
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He and Bumrah were injured in the initial part of Eng test series and Kumar never recovered after that really
 
rhony said:
That's the fascinating part. Kohli made runs and pacers took wickets. Would have been a bumper year for India if only a couple more batsmen stuck around. SA series was close and Eng was closer despite the score line. This India team made test cricket fascinating again this year. U beatable at home and highly competitive abroad.

That's what makes compelling viewing when teams perform well and compete overseas. It was great to see Eng win in SL, Pak running SW close and SL competing against NZ until yesterday
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SL (or was it 2017?), NZ win in UAE. SL rearguard effort in NZ too. Good year for test cricket.
 
Shandarchowka said:
Can averages also be added those stats? Will give us a better perspective
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Here.

Bumrah 9 tests 45 wickets 21.24 avge 48.0 strike rate
Shami 12 tests 45 wickets 26.60 avge 48.3 strike rate
Ishant 11 tests 39 wickets 21.89 avge 49.3 strike rate
 
BreadPakoda said:
SL (or was it 2017?), NZ win in UAE. SL rearguard effort in NZ too. Good year for test cricket.
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Oh yes forgot about NZ win in UAE. That was probably the biggest upset of the year. Great year
 
Compare this to Dhoni's era and how the bowlers performed under him. Thank God, we got rid of him from Test format and now the purists can go back and enjoy some proper Cricket.
 
Indiafan said:
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After the pic was taken, India has already reached 2nd place and has a big chance of going to first place in 2nd innings of this test
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What a performance!! Who thought a few years ago that Indian pacers will come such a long way!
 
India now in second place at 129 wickets, just need 2 more wickets by pacers in second innings to become the top
 
If they reach the top spot it would be one heck of an achievement. Seeing their names alongside cricket's greatest bowling trios is already an amazing feeling.

Well done lads.
 
This is well deserved after years of ridicule. Hard work and a will to change the perception. It is Pakistan now who are producing pace bowlers that matched the fast bowlers of India over a decade ago
 
This stat is impressive but one also needs to take into consideration matches/innings for a better comparison
 
Bilal7 said:
They have been fantastic as a unit. Well done. Has Bhuvi Kumar not played many tests this year?
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He played 2

Was Man of the Match in 1 of them
Took a 4-fer in another

He would have played more if he was from any other Asian team for his batting alone
 
Wonderful. Kohli, though not a great tactician, deserves a lot of credit for this change. His insistence on picking BBumrah for SA Tests has been the decision of the year. Holding was not convinced at all as were a lot of other experts. If only at least one more batsman had stood up, alas not to be. Can we go onto win this series as some reward? Fingers crossed.

Looking forward, we have to manage Bumrah and Shami very well, especially Bumrah. Does he need to play T20 bilaterals or even the all ODIs vs Aus in two weeks time. Hopefully the team management is keeping a watch.

Also, we should give these pacers Eden Gardens type pitches in home tests as well.
 
There is a case that India has the best bowling line up in the world. For me it's between Australia and India, then SA and Pakistan who are falling behind because they lack quality spinners. Yasir is only good in Asia.

India deserves its no.1 ranking.
 
Anyone saying this era does not have great bowling has got to be kidding themselves. There are 5 teams that have a superb bowling lineup and could compete with most bowling lineups of the 1980s and 1990s.

India - One of the best lineups out there, and east better than their bowling in 80s/90s

Australia - Again a superb bowling lineup, even though not as good as their late 90s lineup. But with Cummins, Starc, Hazelwoon, Pattinson and Lyon, not too far from the 90s lineup.

Pakistan - Obviously not as good as Wasim + Waqar + IK/Akhtar/Aaqib + Mushy/Saqlain, but still a solid bowling lineup especially with Afridi + Abbas + Hasan Ali + Amir + Shadab + YAsir.

SA - Philander + Steyn + Rabada + Ngidi + Morkel/Olivier + Maharaj - I'd say even better than Donald + De Villiers + Pollock + Klusener/Kallis + Adams/Symcox. They have a better spinner, 1 ATG pacer, 1 young to be ATG and 2 world class blowers.

NZ - Boult + Southee + Wagner + Grandhomme + Sodhi/Patel is also better than what they had in 80s and 90s

England - Anderson + Broad + Stokes + Curran + Moeen is also an excellent line up. Spin option is not excellent, but it still better than their 80s (probably as good as 80s), but better than their 90s line up.

SL and WI have regressed.

So, we still have 6 brilliant bowling lineups. In the 90s, there were only 4 great bowling lineups - Pakistan, SA, Aus and WI. Now, we have 6.

Clearly people need to stop complaining about bowling now. The pitches are no easier as we can see the lack of 400+ runs on the board. The only thing lacking is the quality batting against the spinners. This could go on to become one of the golden eras of cricket, even better than the 90s.
 
Credit and respect to this Indian attack.
It's the result of hard work and their hunger to triumph. Ishant is the unsung hero of this bowling attack 💪

Also, I must say, I still prefer the Pakistani attack over them. Our batting is a joke and that's the main reason we are struggling.
 
WhenSultansBowled said:
Credit and respect to this Indian attack.
It's the result of hard work and their hunger to triumph. Ishant is the unsung hero of this bowling attack ��

Also, I must say, I still prefer the Pakistani attack over them. Our batting is a joke and that's the main reason we are struggling.
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I'm not disagreeing at all, just curious do you prefer the Pakistani attack because of flair or because you feel they have a higher ceiling?
 
I am just curious [MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION], what would be the stats like for Wasim, Waqar, and maybe Aaqib (or Imran) or even Atta Ur Rehman as the third one in a calendar year?
 
So with this attack and an ATG in Kohli, they lost in SA, got smashed by a poor English team. Where did it go wrong?
 
Bewal Express said:
So with this attack and an ATG in Kohli, they lost in SA, got smashed by a poor English team. Where did it go wrong?
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Well apparently the saffers side had philander, ab and ngidi who make world of difference, also the poor England team u are talking about has one of the best depth in the world as far as batting is concerned, not to forget that India competed there despite losing toss, and it was brilliance of ab in South Africa and Sam curren in England that led to the loss of this Indian team.
 
Great achievement, about time they get due credit. Indian bowlers including spinners have been exceptional since Kohli took over, our batsmen have flattered to deceive and I don't say this based on 2018, even in the home season they often relied on the bowlers to bail them out.
 
Bewal Express said:
So with this attack and an ATG in Kohli, they lost in SA, got smashed by a poor English team. Where did it go wrong?
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You said it yourself. ATG Kohli and a gun bowling attack but rest of the team isn't that good. Our batting even with Kohli must be the weakest we have fielded in the last 25 years. Also our team management is nuts and selection panel incompetent. Losing 7 out of 8 tosses in SA/Eng didn't help matters either because we suck at 4th innings chases, even the low totals.
 
Swashbuckler said:
You said it yourself. ATG Kohli and a gun bowling attack but rest of the team isn't that good. Our batting even with Kohli must be the weakest we have fielded in the last 25 years. Also our team management is nuts and selection panel incompetent. Losing 7 out of 8 tosses in SA/Eng didn't help matters either because we suck at 4th innings chases, even the low totals.
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I don't think it is the batting as much as the captaincy, the first test against england could have gone very differently if Captain Clueless had picked ChePu instead of that hack Dhawan, Dropping Bhuvi and Rahane in SA, Playing 2 spinners on a green track, playing an injured ashwin in Southampton. Kohli the batsman doesn't bat well enough for me to compensate for the blunders of Kohli the captain
 
So Indian trio (just one wicket behind the record) has taken one test less than the number one West Indian trio in the all time list. Great achievement indeed. Hats off to their performance.
 
Monsee said:
I am just curious [MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION], what would be the stats like for Wasim, Waqar, and maybe Aaqib (or Imran) or even Atta Ur Rehman as the third one in a calendar year?
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Wasim (49), Waqar (48), Aaqib (10) in 1990 - 107 total (9, 8, 4 matches)
Waqar (55), Wasim (28), Ata (12) in 1993 - 95 total (7, 6, 6 matches)
Wasim (47), Waqar (42), Mohsin Kamal (7) in 1994 - 96 total (7, 7, 2 matches)
Wasim (45), Aaqib (29), Nazir (17) in 1995 - 91 total (10, 6, 4 matches)
Shoaib (42), Waqar (40), Razzaq (22) in 2002 - 104 total (9, 12, 9 matches)

Gul, Asif, Razzaq took 89 in 2006.
Amir, Asif, Gul took 87 in 2010.
Amir, Wahab, Sohail took 85 in 2016.

For 2018, Abbas, Hasan and Amir took 76 with pretty solid averages.
 
latecut said:
So Indian trio (just one wicket behind the record) has taken one test less than the number one West Indian trio in the all time list. Great achievement indeed. Hats off to their performance.
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Cricinfo stats show those nos are faulty.
 
what's the use...we still lost bcoz of not wrapping up the tail quickly...
 
Balthazar said:
Compare this to Dhoni's era and how the bowlers performed under him. Thank God, we got rid of him from Test format and now the purists can go back and enjoy some proper Cricket.
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Or you can marvel at Bhuvi's rise which helps the other pacers get wickets as well and Shami's induction into the test team and ishants imrprovement.

Captains do not bowl or bat for their teams, see this so many times when people blame captains for everything, they should be blamed for tactics, selections, and their own performance..
 
Monsee said:
I am just curious [MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION], what would be the stats like for Wasim, Waqar, and maybe Aaqib (or Imran) or even Atta Ur Rehman as the third one in a calendar year?
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That profile picture is irrelevant now, must hurt now to see the Indians doing better than us in our coveted department now eh?
 
Abdullah719 said:
Maybe they used some other filter but yeah the figures seem to be inaccurate.

Impressive by the Indian pacers nonetheless. 129 this year is excellent.
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So a bit of tinkering with data tells me the stats guys at sony have been very underhanded here, the stats for other pairs are for away tests only but India ones are for all tests.
 
CricFan2012 said:
That profile picture is irrelevant now, must hurt now to see the Indians doing better than us in our coveted department now eh?
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Not as much as seeing our batting throwing matches away after being in great command; what India does is good for them...now if they played us in tests and did something similar than that would be a source of issue for sure
 
jagatk said:
So a bit of tinkering with data tells me the stats guys at sony have been very underhanded here, the stats for other pairs are for away tests only but India ones are for all tests.
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Interesting. Would you mind posting some stats?
 
jagatk said:
So a bit of tinkering with data tells me the stats guys at sony have been very underhanded here, the stats for other pairs are for away tests only but India ones are for all tests.
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Nice spot. But it looks like it's just away Tests for all the teams.

West Indies 130
South Africa 123
India 123

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Abdullah719 said:
Nice spot. But it looks like it's just away Tests for all the teams.

West Indies 130
South Africa 123
India 123

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1984 was the year of the infamous WI tour of England where England was whitewashed 5-0 at home. As much credit to the English batsmen as to the WI bowlers for the record.
 
Abdullah719 said:
Wasim (49), Waqar (48), Aaqib (10) in 1990 - 107 total (9, 8, 4 matches)
Waqar (55), Wasim (28), Ata (12) in 1993 - 95 total (7, 6, 6 matches)
Wasim (47), Waqar (42), Mohsin Kamal (7) in 1994 - 96 total (7, 7, 2 matches)
Wasim (45), Aaqib (29), Nazir (17) in 1995 - 91 total (10, 6, 4 matches)
Shoaib (42), Waqar (40), Razzaq (22) in 2002 - 104 total (9, 12, 9 matches)

Gul, Asif, Razzaq took 89 in 2006.
Amir, Asif, Gul took 87 in 2010.
Amir, Wahab, Sohail took 85 in 2016.

For 2018, Abbas, Hasan and Amir took 76 with pretty solid averages.
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Thanks, yeah I checked cricinfo for a bit and noticed none of our 3rd seamers historically prdouced much when the other two main bowlers were doing well. What we missed was when Imran took 62 wickets in 1982, none of the other fast bowlers had a decent year including Sarfraz who had I think 10 wickets. He did retire that year as well!
 
Swashbuckler said:
You said it yourself. ATG Kohli and a gun bowling attack but rest of the team isn't that good. Our batting even with Kohli must be the weakest we have fielded in the last 25 years. Also our team management is nuts and selection panel incompetent. Losing 7 out of 8 tosses in SA/Eng didn't help matters either because we suck at 4th innings chases, even the low totals.
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I don't accept the rest of the batsman are poor, it's more like Kohl's lack of trust in them has led them to doubt their own abilities. Kohli and cheerleader Shastri have to take responsibility
 
Bubby said:
Well apparently the saffers side had philander, ab and ngidi who make world of difference, also the poor England team u are talking about has one of the best depth in the world as far as batting is concerned, not to forget that India competed there despite losing toss, and it was brilliance of ab in South Africa and Sam curren in England that led to the loss of this Indian team.
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All true, but good teams win and they didn't .
 
Bewal Express said:
I don't accept the rest of the batsman are poor, it's more like Kohl's lack of trust in them has led them to doubt their own abilities. Kohli and cheerleader Shastri have to take responsibility
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As I said team management is nuts. You are right to blame Shastri, Kohli but it is what it is. Our batsmen didn't deliver and it cost us badly in the overseas assignments this year.
 
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Swashbuckler said:
As I said team management is nuts. You are right to blame Shastri, Kohli but it is what it is. Our batsmen didn't deliver and it cost us badly in the overseas assignments this year.
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Yeah dropping Pujara in the England test might be the blunder of the decade. This Shastri/Kohli combo will do more bad than good.
 
gazza619 said:
Yeah dropping Pujara in the England test might be the blunder of the decade. This Shastri/Kohli combo will do more bad than good.
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Believe me most Indian fans want this combo to go, especially the coach who is keeping his job for non cricketing reasons.

Dropping Pujara in Edgbaston, Rohit in place of Rahane in the first 2 tests in SA, exclusion of Bhuvi in Centurion, golden treatment to Pandya, 2 spinners in Lord's greentop, 1 unfit spinner in Rose Bowl, 4 quicks in Perth where Lyon got MOTM, and the list goes on.

These 2 can't read pitches, can't strategize, fail in selection, can't groom youngsters, play favorites and most worryingly they are never honest about their intentions. We needed a no nonsense taskmaster like Kumble rather than the beer guzzling cheerleading lobbyist. Indian cricket will go nowhere with this duo running the circus.
 
topspin said:
I'm not disagreeing at all, just curious do you prefer the Pakistani attack because of flair or because you feel they have a higher ceiling?
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Both.

Pakistan's bowling attack, since Shoaib "retired" from test cricket, hasn't had 'quiet' time; there's been always a disaster around the corner. But with Abbas, Amir, Shaheen, JK etc. it seems we may see them consistently.

Probably Indian pacers are better than current Pakistani ones (at least stats wise) but there are many factors (nothing to defend, constant dropped catches etc.) that never let this pace attack settle.

It's personal preference for me.
 
Swashbuckler said:
As I said team management is nuts. You are right to blame Shastri, Kohli but it is what it is. Our batsmen didn't deliver and it cost us badly in the overseas assignments this year.
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Management should have been more aggressive in fixing our great weakness which was the lack of good opening batsmen. Bringing Agarwal in has improved the situation, it should have been done sooner. Shaw certainly could have been played in England.
 
Jadeja gobbling up wickets to deny the Indian pacers the record. Or has the record already been broken by the Indians?
 
Seems like Indian pace trio currently has 127 wkts, so they need the remaining 3 wkts to equal the record. Kohli needs to take Jadeja off!
 
Shami gets Starc, total is 128 now. Need two more.
 
Indian bowlers aren’t the reasons for the failures overseas this year. They have been brilliant.
 
Ha!

Guess who has the best bowling attack in the world now fellas?
 
Bewal Express said:
So with this attack and an ATG in Kohli, they lost in SA, got smashed by a poor English team. Where did it go wrong?
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Poor team selection and spineless batting but above all Kohli kept on losing tosses.

If he had won 50% of the tosses then we might have won the series
 
Bewal Express said:
Top teams don't depend on the toss.
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Yes, they do. How many teams are able to win away after losing tosses? Only a few select teams have been able to win away from home despite tosses not going their way.

The difference between the current #1 team and the #2-4 teams is not that huge. So, tosses will have an impact on the result. Only the WI 80s, Aus of 00s and a few other teams have been able to win away despite tosses not going their way. This Indian team is not at that level.

Having said that, if India had a better selection policy in the 1st test in SA (Rahane should have played instead of Rohit) and the 1st test in England (Pujara should have played) we could have won one of those 2 series.
 
Sidilicious said:
Yes, they do. How many teams are able to win away after losing tosses? Only a few select teams have been able to win away from home despite tosses not going their way.

The difference between the current #1 team and the #2-4 teams is not that huge. So, tosses will have an impact on the result. Only the WI 80s, Aus of 00s and a few other teams have been able to win away despite tosses not going their way. This Indian team is not at that level.

Having said that, if India had a better selection policy in the 1st test in SA (Rahane should have played instead of Rohit) and the 1st test in England (Pujara should have played) we could have won one of those 2 series.
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Any team that claims to be the best in the world will win against the odds. For all the hype from Ind fans, they are not the best in the world even with all the talent at their disposal.
 
WhenSultansBowled said:
Both.

Pakistan's bowling attack, since Shoaib "retired" from test cricket, hasn't had 'quiet' time; there's been always a disaster around the corner. But with Abbas, Amir, Shaheen, JK etc. it seems we may see them consistently.

Probably Indian pacers are better than current Pakistani ones (at least stats wise) but there are many factors (nothing to defend, constant dropped catches etc.) that never let this pace attack settle.

It's personal preference for me.
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I have high hopes with Shaheen - Pakistan have a found gem of a bowler who has all the ingredients to become a great bowler.

Abbas and Bumrah are for me currently the best two bowlers in Asia. After that it is Ishant and Shami but my 3rd choice would be Shaheen because I feel he has a higher ceiling and along with flair, he just looks more menacing when he runs in to bowl, so that is my personal preference.
 
Hasan123 said:
Indian bowlers aren’t the reasons for the failures overseas this year. They have been brilliant.
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Absolutely it's been their opening batsmen more than anything and also let down by their middle order (other than Kohli) at times.
 
topspin said:
I have high hopes with Shaheen - Pakistan have a found gem of a bowler who has all the ingredients to become a great bowler.

Abbas and Bumrah are for me currently the best two bowlers in Asia. After that it is Ishant and Shami but my 3rd choice would be Shaheen because I feel he has a higher ceiling and along with flair, he just looks more menacing when he runs in to bowl, so that is my personal preference.
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Yes Shaheen appears to be a great find for Pakistan cricket. He'll spearhead the Pakistani bowling attack in coming years.
 
Excellent stuff, what really impresses me is the consistency of line and length shown by the trio.

Credit should be given to bowling coach Bharat Arun as well as two of the these 3 Shami and Ishant also played in 2014 series but were no way near as effective.
 
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