As Yasir Shah continues his decline, who should replace him?

[moghul]

On flat wickets Younis Khan will scores some runs once every 8-10 innings, on lively wickets, once in 20-30 innings.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

On flat wickets Younis Khan will scores some runs once every 8-10 innings, on lively wickets, once in 20-30 innings.

He is 43 give him a break. Look at the number of runs He scored in a Test Series in England in 2006 when He was 33 years old.

 

[AlphaFighter]

A sign of a quality player is the character he shows when the chips are down. Yasir Shah's body language has dropped the longer he has toiled in unsupportive conditions and he is now very low on confidence, he should be given rest to recover from a huge bowling work load and in the mean time he can work on learning new tricks to stay on top of his game.

 

[Chrish]

First tours are always tough.. will come out good with experience

 

[leatherface58]

Yes he was in 2012. He made way for Jadeja after the JoBurg disaster

I don't think he was dropped after the Oz tour in 2011/12. He was finally dropped after he was terrible against England. The South African drop was a mistake. It was a spin friendly track cause Sir took a lot of wickets there.

 

[MMHS]

So, my fear on Yasir is finally happening.

No one can survive this 75-85 overs per Test in a packed season. In many, many years PAK is playing 12 Tests in 7 months & this guy has bowled in 9 of those like middle age slaves. I am certain that Yasir went to AUS carrying some injury, which couldn't be kept under carpet after SCG. This was the same case with Ajmal in a different way - over worked Ajmal started to make his darter as his stock ball, instead of 1/2 dodgy doosra in alternate overs.

The more I looked into it, Ul-Haq's squad looks more & more pathetic - they carried a bits & pieces all-rounder for 3 months, only to play one side game.

 

[AamirWarraich]

Yasir Shah is still a top class bowler. Spinners struggle in Australia. People need to give the guy a break. He'll be back to his best after this tour.

 

[AlphaFighter]

So, my fear on Yasir is finally happening.

No one can survive this 75-85 overs per Test in a packed season. In many, many years PAK is playing 12 Tests in 7 months & this guy has bowled in 9 of those like middle age slaves. I am certain that Yasir went to AUS carrying some injury, which couldn't be kept under carpet after SCG. This was the same case with Ajmal in a different way - over worked Ajmal started to make his darter as his stock ball, instead of 1/2 dodgy doosra in alternate overs.

The more I looked into it, Ul-Haq's squad looks more & more pathetic - they carried a bits & pieces all-rounder for 3 months, only to play one side game.

Its not just the amount of overs, its the frustrating lack of alternative thought process

 

[Square Drive]

Asghar and Yasir should both play in tandem in WI, and hopefully that gives us a good indication of which spinner to prioritize from thereon.

 

[Hasan123]

So, my fear on Yasir is finally happening.

No one can survive this 75-85 overs per Test in a packed season. In many, many years PAK is playing 12 Tests in 7 months & this guy has bowled in 9 of those like middle age slaves. I am certain that Yasir went to AUS carrying some injury, which couldn't be kept under carpet after SCG. This was the same case with Ajmal in a different way - over worked Ajmal started to make his darter as his stock ball, instead of 1/2 dodgy doosra in alternate overs.

The more I looked into it, Ul-Haq's squad looks more & more pathetic - they carried a bits & pieces all-rounder for 3 months, only to play one side game.

Thankfully he'll get 2/3 months off after this game.

 

[Barragan]

I feel for Yasir and I don't think he is declining, just fatigued and needing time away from the game.

He has bowled a lot of overs because of Pak lacking a 5th bowling option and the pacers being ordinary.

He needs to take a break for a moth or two, but the PSL is next month and the owner of LQ spoke very highly of him and talked about him being the best bowler in this edition (or something along those lines), hence I don't think he'll be getting a rest anytime soon.

He should definitely be touring the WI's.

 

[Bewal Express]

I feel for Yasir and I don't think he is declining, just fatigued and needing time away from the game.

He has bowled a lot of overs because of Pak lacking a 5th bowling option and the pacers being ordinary.

He needs to take a break for a moth or two, but the PSL is next month and the owner of LQ spoke very highly of him and talked about him being the best bowler in this edition (or something along those lines), hence I don't think he'll be getting a rest anytime soon.

He should definitely be touring the WI's.

Wickets of poor Windies bats will help, but the main issue is technical and that will not be solved by getting a few wickets of some poor players. As i have been saying even when he was taking wickets, his problem is the lack of spin and that doesnt like being solved. He must look closely at his release, my own theory is that his middle and index fingers are too far apart and hence the ball slips out like a top spinner and without the side spin you need.

 

[Barragan]

Wickets of poor Windies bats will help, but the main issue is technical and that will not be solved by getting a few wickets of some poor players. As i have been saying even when he was taking wickets, his problem is the lack of spin and that doesnt like being solved. He must look closely at his release, my own theory is that his middle and index fingers are too far apart and hence the ball slips out like a top spinner and without the side spin you need.

He also lacks the googly is well, hence he does lack some variation is well.

Maybe, ask Qadir or even Azhar (he has a good one) and ask them for some tips.

 

[Bewal Express]

He also lacks the googly is well, hence he does lack some variation is well.

Maybe, ask Qadir or even Azhar (he has a good one) and ask them for some tips.

A googly would help but from experience you only need two balls, one that spins fiercely and the one that goes straight on without a change of action. The straight one is only effective if the batsman is worried by the spin, that in nutshell is Yasirs problem.

 

[transitional]

Why is it that bowlers tend to get much shorter rope than batsmen? If a world class batsman fails for 2-3 series, we dont drop him or discuss his place as feverishly. Bowlers can also be out of form for a series or two. He is a world class chap. Hope he can come back.

 

[Kianig89]

Yasir is still Pakistan's No.1 Spinner, he is fatigued nothing else he has alot of time to recover and prepare for Caribbean tests and the pitches there are helpful for spinners :bishoo

 

[Hadephobia]

Pakistan has the best team in the world, Australia is just a hiccup.

 

[Mamoon]

Ranked 17th now, what a dramatic fall from grace.

Badly needs a few 5-fers in the Caribbean. This is humiliating for Pakistan, given the fact that he is our best and most reliable Test bowler.

 

[Sarfarazian92]

Ranked 17th now, what a dramatic fall from grace.

Badly needs a few 5-fers in the Caribbean. This is humiliating for Pakistan, given the fact that he is our best and most reliable Test bowler.

Who do you think should partner him in the WI series and whenever we play next in the UAE as the 2nd spinner?

 

[Bewal Express]

As no-one watches the domestic cricket,including the selectors whose job is to watch matches,we dont have any idea if there is talent out the country. It takes years for spinners to learn their craft. The only spinner i liked the look of was Zahid, the leg spinner, but i hardly see his name in domestic cricket.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Ranked 17th now, what a dramatic fall from grace.

Badly needs a few 5-fers in the Caribbean. This is humiliating for Pakistan, given the fact that he is our best and most reliable Test bowler.

Very disappointed with the ranking system. How does one series get you from being in the top 3 to not being even in the top 15?

 

[Gabbar Singh]

It's strange how things work out. At one stage it was looking like he may be banned for a doping offence and would miss these tough away tours. Had that happened I'm sure he would have walked back into the side to face WIs away or whoever is due to tour the UAE next. However, he was rightly cleared of the offence and the rest is history.

I still feel people are treating him harshly. His numbers may not have been great in England but he was key to drawing the series. Then he had 2 bad tours in NZ and Aus.

Should someone really be dropped just for two bad tours?

 

[Bewal Express]

It's strange how things work out. At one stage it was looking like he may be banned for a doping offence and would miss these tough away tours. Had that happened I'm sure he would have walked back into the side to face WIs away or whoever is due to tour the UAE next. However, he was rightly cleared of the offence and the rest is history.

I still feel people are treating him harshly. His numbers may not have been great in England but he was key to drawing the series. Then he had 2 bad tours in NZ and Aus.

Should someone really be dropped just for two bad tours?

I think people are still avoiding the real reason for the decline and that problem isnt going to go away because people wish it away. My advice to Yasir is to go back into the nets and work hours on end on getting the leg spinner spinning sharply. If he doesnt do that this career will be jeopardy.

 

[Abdullah]

i think people r over reacting (as normal)

a spinner should not have to bowl more than 15 overs a day for the first 2 innings in australia.
and if the spinner has to come on in australia after absolutley no wickets with the new ball (and warner happens to be there) he will get carted.

yes field placements werent great and he didnt react well but that is by the by.
we needed 4 and a half bowlers and breakthroughs with the new ball.

the test for him is now

 

[Bewal Express]

i think people r over reacting (as normal)

a spinner should not have to bowl more than 15 overs a day for the first 2 innings in australia.
and if the spinner has to come on in australia after absolutley no wickets with the new ball (and warner happens to be there) he will get carted.

yes field placements werent great and he didnt react well but that is by the by.
we needed 4 and a half bowlers and breakthroughs with the new ball.

the test for him is now

Did you see any spin in any of the test matches that would threaten even half decent batsman?

 

[Adil_94]

he isnt finished. Australia is a graveyard for spinners but yes Yasir did bowl poor and needs to learn how to bowl dry and restrict runs in favourable conditions. Yasir if he isnt getting purchase from the track he gets smashed he needs to develop more variations too and a better thinking brain as a bowler. He is still our best bowler and hopefully he can bounce back from the travails he suffered in Aus and be a better bowler.

 

[malik junaid]

Bad patches do come . Yasir will bounce back hard. One or two bad series doesn't make a bowler bad . Shane warne was also got thrashed from west indies in 1997. Consequently he was dropped from the last test match.

 

[Abdullah]

Did you see any spin in any of the test matches that would threaten even half decent batsman?

he has only ever reliee on subtle variations and a little bit of spin.
all i know is that if aus are 70-0 after 18 overs and the spinner comes on to bowl to warner they are going to get some serious treatment, regardless of who they are. such is how it works agianst such batters

 

[The_Odd_One]

He is still Pakistan's best bowler everywhere except Australia and NZ.

He is just not as good as everyone thought he was but he is still a match-winner in Asian conditions where Pakistan play most of their matches. It will be foolish to drop him. However, he needs a partner, someone who can fill the void left by Zulfiqar. If an analysis is done, I am sure his numbers in matches which Zulfiqar played will be much better than his numbers without him. Pakistan need to groom another spinner.

 

[Mamoon]

Very disappointed with the ranking system. How does one series get you from being in the top 3 to not being even in the top 15?

The rankings are indeed too volatile to be taken seriously, but Yasir deserves the demotion. He has been awful in NZ/AUS.

 

[Mamoon]

Who do you think should partner him in the WI series and whenever we play next in the UAE as the 2nd spinner?

Will like to see more of Nawaz, particularly with the ball. He was grossly underutilized by Misbah vs the WI even though he looked better than Zulfiqar.

Other options are Asghar and of course Imad, although I'm not sure if his bowling style is cut for Test cricket.

 

[Bewal Express]

Nawaz is awful at this level, i have played against and seen better bowlers in league cricket.

 

[ExpressPacer]

I don't think its time for Yasir Shah to be replaced, however, a back up plan spinner would be good in case things go bad or maybe even for when we want to play 2 spinners, or even 3!

As for who this spinner should be, I really want people to stop plucking out random names from Cricinfo scorecards who do good only against terrible batsmen in Pakistan and rank turner pitches. Or with the grace ball!

Nawaz is absolutely pathetic. He has no place in the team. Can't bat, not exceptional in the field and his bowling is club level. He's going to do well in the PSL and all these other leagues but isn't cut out for international cricket. At least for now.

As for Asghar, I really like the bloke but for me, he's too raw at the moment. He needs to work with some coach for sometime because I don't really see him doing too well at the international arena right now and that would hinder any future chances of him playing.

Then we have Zulfi; someone who is better out of the team. Preferably retired.

I think its high time we introduce Mohammad Irfan the legspinner we all saw in that t20 cup. He was getting huge spin and was bowling very much Shane Warne. Now I'm not saying we've found the new Shane Warne or something but I like the look of this guy and he's got experience. Just bring him into the team, have him work with Mushtaq, bowl him in tandem with Yasir and watch how he displays his talent.

 

[Citizen4]

what a fantastic spell by Yasir today, as expected he is running through the Windies in the second innings

 

[Haz95]

Brilliant to see the top man perform again. Too much hate for him rapidly.

I personally think he's a top top bowler who went through a very rough patch and almost lost it mentally. Good to see him among the wickets again.

 

[Rayyman]

Humble pie to the OP.

 

[Muhammad10]

Wonderful couple of days for the GOAT. #ElClasico #WIvPak

 

[Sachin136]

Humble pie to the OP.

2 bad series and people want him dropped. One good spell and now "humble pie to the OP"?

 

[Hasan123]

The rest for 2/3 months did him good.

 

[Haz95]

2 bad series and people want him dropped. One good spell and now "humble pie to the OP"?

1 bad series after 6/7 good ones. And don't count the NZ "series" where he bowled a total of 13 overs in the 1 game he played.

 

[Rayyman]

2 bad series and people want him dropped. One good spell and now "humble pie to the OP"?

You can't drop a player after a spell like this.

I know you're salty that Ashwin couldn't do this on the same venue, in the second innings.

But give credit where it's due. Yasir has almost won the match for Pakistan.

 

[KhalidRafi]

There seems to be no middle-ground for PP posters. One bad spell by a bowler and they'll start a thread about his rapid decline and how he's finished. One good spell and they'll be back on the same thread praising him.

On my short time reading and commenting on the message boards here I've always enjoyed reading to some insightful opinions. But some of you guys really need to go easy on the knee jerk reactions.

 

[Syed1]

Yasir Shah just silenced his haters. Lovely from Shah always been a fan.


Shaba boy.. Tu hi hai larkay

 

[Sachin136]

1 bad series after 6/7 good ones. And don't count the NZ "series" where he bowled a total of 13 overs in the 1 game he played.

You can't drop a player after a spell like this.

I know you're salty that Ashwin couldn't do this on the same venue, in the second innings.

But give credit where it's due. Yasir has almost won the match for Pakistan.

I was saying that the kneejerk reactions from people calling to drop him didn't make sense either.

 

[Haz95]

I was saying that the kneejerk reactions from people calling to drop him didn't make sense either.

apologies. Thought you meant that the 2 series were sufficient support for why he should've been dropped.

 

[Bilal7]

The best spinner in the world showing his class. Him and Amir need to get that bowing average below 30 and batting average near 20 by the end of this series. InshAllah, they will.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Good bowling performance by Yasir. He is not going anywhere and will retire with at least 300 test wickets.

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

Continue with Yasir for another couple of years and groom shadab under him and then continue with him

 

[Mamoon]

Not sure what the excitement is for. All spinners do well on Caribbean pitches, which are extremely conductive. Yasir predictably got exposed on our tough overseas tours last year, and that is when he lost his aura. Unless the conditions favour him, he is a complete liability because he turns into a kitten when the opposition attack him. Doesn't know how to control the run rate.

The battering in Sydney says it all. Economy Rate of 8 in the second innings.

 

[Xoib]

Not sure what the excitement is for. All spinners do well on Caribbean pitches, which are extremely conductive. Yasir predictably got exposed on our tough overseas tours last year, and that is when he lost his aura. Unless the conditions favour him, he is a complete liability because he turns into a kitten when the opposition attack him. Doesn't know how to control the run rate.

The battering in Sydney says it all. Economy Rate of 8 in the second innings.

Most spinners these days turn in to kitten away from sub cont/Wi including your favorite Ashwin. Yasir unlike Ashwin is not a limited overs bowler so when the batsman go after him he looks even more lost.

 

[Bewal Express]

Yasir bowled well but some of the batting was to say the least incompetent. His main problem is the lack of spin away from the right hander and unless he learns to do that he will struggle against the better players. In saying all that he can only bowl to the batsman in front of him and he looked good against them.

 

[Rayyman]

Yasir bowled well but some of the batting was to say the least incompetent. His main problem is the lack of spin away from the right hander and unless he learns to do that he will struggle against the better players. In saying all that he can only bowl to the batsman in front of him and he looked good against them.

Yasir has an action that can extract a lot of spin. Has done it a lot on turners. To get that spin on flatter pitches, he needs to slow it down. His main problem isn't leg break, but he it is his defensive attitude. Leggies should be used in an attacking manner. That means bowl slower, spin the ball a lot, and outside off stump line with fielders in the circle. Yasir does the opposite. Bowls quicker, on the pads, with fielders on boundaries. This works against good players of spin, who won't get out, but for players who struggle should be attacked.

That's his main flaw, another flaw (though not as big), is his non-existent googly. He barely uses it. I know he has one and practices it in nets; But he never tries it in game. Just needs to be confident and give it a shot.

 

[aloo paratha]

The batting quality wasn't the best but I'm happy for him, he really needed this after his hammering in the last series.

 

[Bewal Express]

Yasir has an action that can extract a lot of spin. Has done it a lot on turners. To get that spin on flatter pitches, he needs to slow it down. His main problem isn't leg break, but he it is his defensive attitude. Leggies should be used in an attacking manner. That means bowl slower, spin the ball a lot, and outside off stump line with fielders in the circle. Yasir does the opposite. Bowls quicker, on the pads, with fielders on boundaries. This works against good players of spin, who won't get out, but for players who struggle should be attacked.

That's his main flaw, another flaw (though not as big), is his non-existent googly. He barely uses it. I know he has one and practices it in nets; But he never tries it in game. Just needs to be confident and give it a shot.

I disagree, his main weapon is the one that skids on low slow wickets but that is only effective if the leg break spins sharply. His problem is that if the leg break doesnt spin to right handers, the good players play him like an off break bowler. As i have repeated often i think his fingers are too far apart on the seam and the bowl sort of slips out without the required revs to spin it sharply.

 

[Citizen4]

A 5fer for Yasir

 

[Citizen4]

6fer for Yasir now

6 for 63

 

[New Yorker]

Not sure what the excitement is for. All spinners do well on Caribbean pitches, which are extremely conductive. Yasir predictably got exposed on our tough overseas tours last year, and that is when he lost his aura. Unless the conditions favour him, he is a complete liability because he turns into a kitten when the opposition attack him. Doesn't know how to control the run rate.

The battering in Sydney says it all. Economy Rate of 8 in the second innings.

Yes, even a stopped clock gets it right at least twice. You predicted from the start of his career that
Yasir was mediocre, he became the fastest ever to 100 wickets, then he had two bad series in Oceania,
and suddenly his decline had always been inevitable. All so predictable indeed.

Caribbean pitches may be good for spin, all the more reason then to give credit to Yasir for outbowling Bishoo.

 

[Mamoon]

Yes, even a stopped clock gets it right at least twice. You predicted from the start of his career that
Yasir was mediocre, he became the fastest ever to 100 wickets, then he had two bad series in Oceania,
and suddenly his decline had always been inevitable. All so predictable indeed.

Caribbean pitches may be good for spin, all the more reason then to give credit to Yasir for outbowling Bishoo.

Sure, but I think from being considering as the number one spinner in the world to getting brownie points for being better than Bishoo while bowling to much inferior players of spin is quite a fall. His struggles overseas were predictable because the weaknesses that cost him were visible while he was making hay in the sunshine.

 

[Mamoon]

Most spinners these days turn in to kitten away from sub cont/Wi including your favorite Ashwin. Yasir unlike Ashwin is not a limited overs bowler so when the batsman go after him he looks even more lost.

Which is why he is more Tahir/Mishra than Ashwin. Key to a quality spinner is not getting thrashed when the conditions don't favor him. This is where Ashwin has the edge on others. He too is dependent on the surface, but he doesn't get smashed when he is handicapped. The comparison between Ashwin and Yasir is not a serious one. The former is comfortably ahead, even without factoring performances across formats. Yasir is below Jadeja as well.

 

[Bilal7]

Yasir Shah is the best spinner in the world! Keep crying haters!

 

[Haz95]

Sure, but I think from being considering as the number one spinner in the world to getting brownie points for being better than Bishoo while bowling to much inferior players of spin is quite a fall. His struggles overseas were predictable because the weaknesses that cost him were visible while he was making hay in the sunshine.

He had one bad series where he not only bowled brainlessly but also was clearly out of form. If you watched closely in the UAE series vs Windies, you could see he wasn't at his best despite what the stats said. He was struggling to pick wickets and looked off colour as opposed to how he was in SL and series' from before.

I think on pancake pitches he's not amazing because of the reasons you've highlighted (albeit exaggerated). Yasir is a bowler who's world class, capable of getting 5fers regardless of the venue. However, he's not legendary level where he can take wickets in every type of pitch (for that you need to be on Warne/Murali level). If it's a flat overseas wicket, chances are he won't do well (unless he has scoreboard pressure). On flat Asian wickets he does very well which is why I still rate him as one of the best bowlers in the world.

He can end as a bowler how someone like YK ends as a batsman.

 

[Rayyman]

Third best spinner in the world after Ashwin and Jadeja.

Best leg-spinner in the world.

In Test matches.

 

[Mamoon]

He had one bad series where he not only bowled brainlessly but also was clearly out of form. If you watched closely in the UAE series vs Windies, you could see he wasn't at his best despite what the stats said. He was struggling to pick wickets and looked off colour as opposed to how he was in SL and series' from before.

I think on pancake pitches he's not amazing because of the reasons you've highlighted (albeit exaggerated). Yasir is a bowler who's world class, capable of getting 5fers regardless of the venue. However, he's not legendary level where he can take wickets in every type of pitch (for that you need to be on Warne/Murali level). If it's a flat overseas wicket, chances are he won't do well (unless he has scoreboard pressure). On flat Asian wickets he does very well which is why I still rate him as one of the best bowlers in the world.

He can end as a bowler how someone like YK ends as a batsman.

I think it's a good comparison. Both LOI flops who are really good in favorable conditions. Fans of both believe they don't get the respect from the neutral audience that they feel they deserve. Only difference I see is, Yasir may not have half of Younis' longevity. I have doubts over his fitness.

 

[sshakir411]

Yasir has an issue with how he grips the ball. He's not going to turn it with the way he holds the ball.

 

[Haz95]

I think it's a good comparison. Both LOI flops who are really good in favorable conditions. Fans of both believe they don't get the respect from the neutral audience that they feel they deserve. Only difference I see is, Yasir may not have half of Younis' longevity. I have doubts over his fitness.

Yes but you need to stop overrating Ashwin who is toothless even at home on a flat wicket. None of the spinners around are legendary level and none of them can surpass that YK type category.

It's no ATG category but it's definitely world class and memorable. People generally have low standards from ATG, to be ATG you have to be a bonafide legend of the game, someone capable of making an All time Test XI.

From todays players, only Steve Smith looks like he can. Among the newer players, Rabada seems sureshot.

 

[dildildalwalla]

lol the decline!

this thread was a ... hit and miss, like the ball Ballance had to face in England

dunno why gifs cant be pasted on here

 

[Xoib]

Which is why he is more Tahir/Mishra than Ashwin. Key to a quality spinner is not getting thrashed when the conditions don't favor him. This is where Ashwin has the edge on others. He too is dependent on the surface, but he doesn't get smashed when he is handicapped. The comparison between Ashwin and Yasir is not a serious one. The former is comfortably ahead, even without factoring performances across formats. Yasir is below Jadeja as well.

Yasir has a 6fer, 5fer and 4fer in England which is more then Ashwin and Jadeja combined overseas hauls.Calling Jadeja better then Yasir on the basis of home bullying is like saying Yasir is better then Ashwin based on Uae bullying atleast be consistent with your arguments and dont embarass Yasir by comparing him With Tahir and Mishra.

 

[Rayyman]

lol the decline!

this thread was a ... hit and miss, like the ball Ballance had to face in England

dunno why gifs cant be pasted on here

<img src="http://thecricketguru.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/yasir-shah-magic-ball.gif" alt="yasir-shah-magic-ball.gif (480×270)"/>

 

[Bilal7]

Yasir has a 6fer, 5fer and 4fer in England which is more then Ashwin and Jadeja combined overseas hauls.Calling Jadeja better then Yasir on the basis of home bullying is like saying Yasir is better then Ashwin based on Uae bullying atleast be consistent with your arguments and dont embarass Yasir by comparing him With Tahir and Mishra.

He's two-faced and a hypocrite. Don't waste your time with someone like him.

 

[dildildalwalla]

<img src="http://thecricketguru.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/yasir-shah-magic-ball.gif" alt="yasir-shah-magic-ball.gif (480×270)"/>

the site told me the external link was too large

how'd you do that?

Btw, that was easily one of the best deliveries bowled in England, ever.

 

[Xoib]

He's two-faced and a hypocrite. Don't waste your time with someone like him.

Yeah his logic is bogus. Yasir is nothing special because his career built on Uae bullying but Jadeja is awesome because all he has done is home bullying and was a faliure in his overseas round of games but yes he is awesome because i say so.

 

[Bilal7]

Yeah his logic is bogus. Yasir is nothing special because his career built on Uae bullying but Jadeja is awesome because all he has done is home bullying and was a faliure in his overseas round of games but yes he is awesome because i say so.

Yasir has done more overseas than Ashwin and Jadeja combined and he does not have it as easy at home either. Then this guy says things like "I support the team...".

 

[Slog]

Not sure what the excitement is for. All spinners do well on Caribbean pitches, which are extremely conductive. Yasir predictably got exposed on our tough overseas tours last year, and that is when he lost his aura. Unless the conditions favour him, he is a complete liability because he turns into a kitten when the opposition attack him. Doesn't know how to control the run rate.

The battering in Sydney says it all. Economy Rate of 8 in the second innings.

So going same route as Ashwin who makes merry in India, Sri Lanka and Carribean but goes missing in SA, Aus and Eng where he has to be dropped to be saved from hammeringa

Though Yasir atleast contributed to 2 wins in England

 

[Mamoon]

Yes but you need to stop overrating Ashwin who is toothless even at home on a flat wicket. None of the spinners around are legendary level and none of them can surpass that YK type category.

It's no ATG category but it's definitely world class and memorable. People generally have low standards from ATG, to be ATG you have to be a bonafide legend of the game, someone capable of making an All time Test XI.

From todays players, only Steve Smith looks like he can. Among the newer players, Rabada seems sureshot.

Neither Ashwin nor Jadeja are ATG level. No spinner Since Warne/Muralitharan has been at that level. Between the three though, I think the Indian duo is better.

 

[Mamoon]

So going same route as Ashwin who makes merry in India, Sri Lanka and Carribean but goes missing in SA, Aus and Eng where he has to be dropped to be saved from hammeringa

Though Yasir atleast contributed to 2 wins in England

Yasir has a 6fer, 5fer and 4fer in England which is more then Ashwin and Jadeja combined overseas hauls.Calling Jadeja better then Yasir on the basis of home bullying is like saying Yasir is better then Ashwin based on Uae bullying atleast be consistent with your arguments and dont embarass Yasir by comparing him With Tahir and Mishra.

and Jadeja has a 6-fer in SA where Yasir would probably struggle. Point is there are outliers and one off performances. Ultimately, all three struggle to take wickets outside of their comfort-zone, but only of them gets ripped apart. However, I am keen to see how Jadeja performs on the next overseas cycle. He is as accurate as a laser, could do well. Similarly, Ashwin has improved as a bowler since 2014. Yasir got plenty of free scalps at Lord's, but yes bowled beautifully at The Oval. However, his lows have been quite depressing as well.

 

[Bilal7]

Leggies are not as economical as offies and left-armers. I thought this was obvious but apparently not. Wonder what these guys would think of Abdul Qadir and Danish Kaneria.

 

[Mamoon]

Leggies are not as economical as offies and left-armers. I thought this was obvious but apparently not. Wonder what these guys would think of Abdul Qadir and Danish Kaneria.

Kaneria outperformed Yasir in Australia by a heavy margin. Quite underrated in my view, and wasn't managed properly by Inzi. Qadir was greater than what his stats show.

 

[Rotoman]

I am no Jadeja fan but he's no trundler by any means. Has a 6fer in SA IIRC. Also you have to possess some kind of skills to pick up wickets regularly in the flat tracks that India dish out nowadays. He's outbowled everyone in India.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Kaneria outperformed Yasir in Australia by a heavy margin. Quite underrated in my view, and wasn't managed properly by Inzi. Qadir was greater than what his stats show.

Kaneria was one of the greatest spinners we have ever produced.

If it wasn't for Kamran's dodgy keeping and fixing we would easily had 150 wickets more.

 

[Bilal7]

Kaneria outperformed Yasir in Australia by a heavy margin. Quite underrated in my view, and wasn't managed properly by Inzi. Qadir was greater than what his stats show.

They got hit around too, when the pitch had nothing in it for spinners because leggies are made like that. Yasir Shah is the best spinner in the world. I suggest you accept this reality before Ashwin and Jadeja get mauled on their African safari later this year. You've eaten enough humble pie as it is, might get fat.