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Asad Shafiq, a failure in pressure situations?

Useless shafiq to score a 50 next inning to save his place. Story of his career.
 
Prince of Pakistan said:
You're a legend. You even got [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] to admit that Asad isn't worth it. I remember how he defended Asad in 2015-2016.
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2015-2017 was pretty much the window for the likes of Shafiq and Azhar to show that they have what it takes to get into the elite batsmen bracket. They had enough experience by then and were in the prime of their careers. However, both have shown that they will always be B grade batsmen. Azhar did fool people for a while in 2016, but that was the best he could do, and it did not last long enough.
 
This loser is doing it again.

Nobody else in our history has gone UNDROPPED from a cricket team!

This joke has not been dropped ONCE in Tests.

And is still one of our weakest batsmen.
 
Scored a ton in the first innings didn't he?

Is averaging 40+ this series.
 
Typical Shafiq dismissal. His quota of scoring a ton once in a series was completed in first innings.

His dismissal was the reflection of his attitude.
 
Needed a big score from him today. His team needed him to stand up and be counted.

Instead he flopped and surrendered meekly.
 
He's such an odd case. Has scored some pressure knocks in fourth innings so he's not a complete mental midget, yet he fails far too often for there not to be an issue.
 
Saj said:
Needed a big score from him today. His team needed him to stand up and be counted.

Instead he flopped and surrendered meekly.
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Story of his career. Wasted investment
 
mak36 said:
He's such an odd case. Has scored some pressure knocks in fourth innings so he's not a complete mental midget, yet he fails far too often for there not to be an issue.
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I have never understood this criticism honestly. He has quite a few under pressure knocks which shows that he doesn't fail under pressure. To mention a few off the top of may head: the 76 at Lords came when the team was 64/4 or something like that, 111 at Capetown after early wickets had fallen, the match saving 100 at Pallekele, his 100 at the Oval came when the team needed and he was personally under pressure after scoring a pair, he had crucial contributions in the 3-0 whitewash of England 2012.

His problem is simply consistency. He doesn't perform nearly as often as he should regardless of the pressure hence the average of 39. He was good for a while but now is just a burden on the team. The time invested in him hasn't born the fruit we had hoped for. Time to move on to newer, younger prospects as soon as the situation allows.
 
Fahdi said:
I have never understood this criticism honestly. He has quite a few under pressure knocks which shows that he doesn't fail under pressure. To mention a few off the top of may head: the 76 at Lords came when the team was 64/4 or something like that, 111 at Capetown after early wickets had fallen, the match saving 100 at Pallekele, his 100 at the Oval came when the team needed and he was personally under pressure after scoring a pair, he had crucial contributions in the 3-0 whitewash of England 2012.

His problem is simply consistency. He doesn't perform nearly as often as he should regardless of the pressure hence the average of 39. He was good for a while but now is just a burden on the team. The time invested in him hasn't born the fruit we had hoped for. Time to move on to newer, younger prospects as soon as the situation allows.
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England moved on from Ian Bell even though he had played 115 test matches and was just 33 years old. Can the Pak selectors apply the same ruthlessness with Asad Shafiq and Pakistan Cricket?
 
Savak said:
England moved on from Ian Bell even though he had played 115 test matches and was just 33 years old. Can the Pak selectors apply the same ruthlessness with Asad Shafiq and Pakistan Cricket?
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They should but he'll be around for a little longer. When it comes to Shafiq he survives because there's always bigger fish to fry.
 
Fahdi said:
I have never understood this criticism honestly. He has quite a few under pressure knocks which shows that he doesn't fail under pressure. To mention a few off the top of may head: the 76 at Lords came when the team was 64/4 or something like that, 111 at Capetown after early wickets had fallen, the match saving 100 at Pallekele, his 100 at the Oval came when the team needed and he was personally under pressure after scoring a pair, he had crucial contributions in the 3-0 whitewash of England 2012.

His problem is simply consistency. He doesn't perform nearly as often as he should regardless of the pressure hence the average of 39. He was good for a while but now is just a burden on the team. The time invested in him hasn't born the fruit we had hoped for. Time to move on to newer, younger prospects as soon as the situation allows.
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I largely agree, which is why I raised it. A lot of people will say his centuries in the fourth innings have come in losing causes but for me that isn't the problem. I agree re consistency but I think that stems from the weight of expectation which he can't handle. So in that sense the problem is mental BUT not for the reason that most give (i.e. I don't think it is the pressure of the match/innings per se that he struggles with, rather he struggles with the 'senior' label).

Put simply, I don't think he is a failure in pressure situations but I do think he has struggled to deal with the added pressure of being a senior batsman etc.
 
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I've been a fan of him a lot through recent times but I am also starting to lose my patience with him.
 
SA will keep angling in the ball at his pads wide of the crease after a few bumpers to get him on the backfoot. He's incapable of getting a stride forward because of where he takes guard and does not stand tall.
 
He’s a rare scenario, he has shown glimpses of him being not a mental midget.

Remember the innings against Australia at the Gabba in 2016, he scored a ton in the 4th innings whilst chasing 450+.

It has, in my opinion, more to do with Pakistani players needing confidence to compete in a tough, high-pressure situation. And that can be fixed with hiring a good psychologist for the team.

Like I said, it’s the lack of self-confidence that haunts our players, “the thought of if I not succeed today, I will lose my position.” also has a factor in such situations which produces brain fades while the team needs you the most.
 
Mueez said:
He’s a rare scenario, he has shown glimpses of him being not a mental midget.

Remember the innings against Australia at the Gabba in 2016, he scored a ton in the 4th innings whilst chasing 450+.

It has, in my opinion, more to do with Pakistani players needing confidence to compete in a tough, high-pressure situation. And that can be fixed with hiring a good psychologist for the team.

Like I said, it’s the lack of self-confidence that haunts our players, “the thought of if I not succeed today, I will lose my position.” also has a factor in such situations which produces brain fades while the team needs you the most.
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Lol, that ton in that 4th innings came about because he was playing pressure free as there was zero expectations of a win but the tail wagged and all of a sudden Pakistan had a chance and he predictably lost his wicket as we got closer. Has zero capacity to play under pressure
 
Savak said:
Lol, that ton in that 4th innings came about because he was playing pressure free as there was zero expectations of a win but the tail wagged and all of a sudden Pakistan had a chance and he predictably lost his wicket as we got closer. Has zero capacity to play under pressure
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You don't accidentally score a century against Australia in Australia, especially in the fourth innings.
 
Not a fan of Asad but that doesn't mean we should rubbish everything he has done.
 
Think his time is over. There are a few middle order bats in Pak who could take over who could surely do a better job. The conditions were tough but you would except a experienced player to do better.
 
He's terrible. I can't stand him anymore just because of the amount of time wasted on him. Should be the first one dropped.
 
Rizan,Saad,Saud or even Faheem can replace him.This guy is terrible and should be discarded forever,
 
This guy will always choke under pressure.

When there is nothing left he will score a cute fifty to save his place.

Oh Mickey why o why?
 
This thread has become a torture for Pak cricket fans.

Yet someone in the PCB loves him, he's undroppable.
 
Another quality knock under pressure. This time He was at the Cusp of getting dropped and He scored when it mattered the most.


As eluded Asad is unique in a way. Sometimes he scores under pressure and sometimes he doesn't. He is inconsistent in this aspect aswell.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Another quality knock under pressure. This time He was at the Cusp of getting dropped and He scored when it mattered the most.


As eluded Asad is unique in a way. Sometimes he scores under pressure and sometimes he doesn't. He is inconsistent in this aspect aswell.
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Unfortunately we now already know that he will fail in the third test. That's the story of Asad Shafiq regardless of the batting number.

I am done being fooled by his cute knocks.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
SA will keep angling in the ball at his pads wide of the crease after a few bumpers to get him on the backfoot. He's incapable of getting a stride forward because of where he takes guard and does not stand tall.
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But his technique is perfect.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Another quality knock under pressure. This time He was at the Cusp of getting dropped and He scored when it mattered the most.


As eluded Asad is unique in a way. Sometimes he scores under pressure and sometimes he doesn't. He is inconsistent in this aspect aswell.
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He has hardly ever performed when it’s mattered, when we actually have a chance to win a game

He can’t handle that pressure at all. The fact we are still wondering if he will come good after 60 + continues test matches says it all
 
Change the thread title as “failure as a batsmen in any situation”
 
Shafiq played a very high-quality innings today because it came under a lot of pressure and against the best fast-bowling attack in the world. The fact that he was scoring at a SR of 75+ for most of his innings is also significant.

But ultimately the bottom-line is that it's another good-looking innings in a losing cause. The type of innings that Shafiq has played far too many times.
 
Regardless
He should be shown the way to domestic circuit and gain some form and then fight for his place in the team.
I am not impressed at all by his 88 runs or SR of 75.
 
Death, taxes and...Shafiq turning up with runs in a losing cause to cement his place for the next series.
 
Varun said:
Well, if it does end up being an eventuality then Pakistan's cupboard is officially bare.
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pakistanigoneaussie said:
He is the designated VC so this may happen
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I don't think heads will roll even if Pakistan lose 3-0. Pakistan's next test series is after 9 months and PCB wouldn't want to burden Sarfraz with a sacking, especially when his focus should be on the WC. Any problems with the test team need to be addressed after the Sri Lanka series in October later this year. Also, I don't think anyone realistically expected Pakistan to not get blanked 3-0 in South Africa.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Another quality knock under pressure. This time He was at the Cusp of getting dropped and He scored when it mattered the most.


As eluded Asad is unique in a way. Sometimes he scores under pressure and sometimes he doesn't. He is inconsistent in this aspect aswell.
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Another? Yeah, I was really getting tired of all the quality knocks he was playing one after the other in this series.

When it mattered the most? Lol! At a personal level maybe, but this knock is of no significance to the team.
 
Snowflake said:
Another? Yeah, I was really getting tired of all the quality knocks he was playing one after the other in this series.

When it mattered the most? Lol! At a personal level maybe, but this knock is of no significance to the team.
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I won't be overcritical today. He played his part. He along with Shan brought us back into the match and Babar also capitalized.


Fakhar, Sarfraz, Amir & Yasir needed to score 120 runs and Babar would have scored 120 odd aswell. We would have than give SA 150 - 200 to chase.


Asad wasn't the only one responsible for first innings debacle followed by average bowling n poor fielding by Pakistan.


Yes He needs to be consistent but that's why He isn't a 50 averaging batsman because he isn't consistent. That's an issue indeed. But He is a good player and should be in the team.


He scored 20 in first innings but was looking good and a good delivery dismissed him so we can't blame him much.

In second innings he played his part. If Fakhar, Sarfraz, Amir & Yasir did not chip in than it's not Asad's mistake. Let's scrutinise them instead.


Mickey & Grant backed Asad when majority was voicing for him to be dumped after first test. He has scored 108 runs in the match so team management has been vindicated.


Asad needs to cut down his ducks (polutry farm) and bat with +ve intend and improve his consistency. He is technically solid, has likeable attitude and work ethics hence I am not in favour of dumping him to domestic Cricket at this stage of his Career.


Azhar should open and we should bring Saad or Saud in Test eleven. For me Saud.
 
hussain.r97 said:
He's scored runs in pressure situations many times before.

2011 World Cup
100* at Pallekele vs Sri Lanka
111 at Cape Town vs South Africa
130 at Dubai vs South Africa (yes we lost, and the pressure was off towards the end, but a large chunk of it was in a high pressure situation)
131 at Galle vs Sri Lanka

Also numerous other smaller, less noteworthy pressure innings. One failure, and all guns are blazing again.
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Apart from the 70 odd versus Zimbabwe, what else did he do at the 2011 World Cup?

He didn't do jack.
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
He has hardly ever performed when it’s mattered, when we actually have a chance to win a game

He can’t handle that pressure at all. The fact we are still wondering if he will come good after 60 + continues test matches says it all
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He hasn't achieved what was expected by him. He is consistent with his Hot and Cold stuff which is bad. But it's a fact that Post 2013 he has performed in pressure situations and has scored match winning runs but quantitatively not at a number one expected from him. Thats why he is not a Class or world class player or a top tier batsman.


Let's have Azhar open with Shan and have Babar n Asad in middle order. Let's get Saud/Saad in middle order in Haris's absense and kind off rebuild.


Not in favour of dumping Asad. Time to utilise what's on offer and what's been invested in for 9 years.
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
He has hardly ever performed when it’s mattered, when we actually have a chance to win a game

He can’t handle that pressure at all. The fact we are still wondering if he will come good after 60 + continues test matches says it all
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Chokli said:
Apart from the 70 odd versus Zimbabwe, what else did he do at the 2011 World Cup?

He didn't do jack.
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His problem has never been in pressure situations.

Instead it is a lack of consistency and mental strength.

I've said this way earlier in this thread too. You can find it.
 
Rayyman said:
His problem has never been in pressure situations.

Instead it is a lack of consistency and mental strength.

I've said this way earlier in this thread too. You can find it.
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So basically the issue with most Pakistani batsmen?
 
Chokli said:
So basically the issue with most Pakistani batsmen?
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As a fan it's hard to tell.

Honestly I think Azhar is probably the biggest choker among the batsmen. His batting style makes him take more pressure when there shouldn't be any.
 
Rayyman said:
As a fan it's hard to tell.

Honestly I think Azhar is probably the biggest choker among the batsmen. His batting style makes him take more pressure when there shouldn't be any.
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These Azhars, Shafiqs, Babars.

They are support cricketers, not the main guns themselves.

Azhar and Shafiq were fine when Younis and Misbah were our main guns.

But now that they're gone, you can't have your supporting cast become your main cast.

The results are there for everyone to see.
 
its unbelievable the amount of times for a mid order batsmen he gets a duck

ive lost count over the last year the number of times hes done this Surely no matter how he performs in the 2nd innings hes got to go now Surely
 
Prince of Pakistan said:
How so? No tests after this.

He will prove his form in FC for the tour of Aus in Nov.
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I don't understand why they would want to continue with him after doing so poorly, regardless of the FC cricket, specially with Saad Ali and other deserving players on the sidelines.
 
TeymurBlake said:
I don't understand why they would want to continue with him after doing so poorly, regardless of the FC cricket, specially with Saad Ali and other deserving players on the sidelines.
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That's Pakistan cricket. No one has the guts to drop the high profile seniors. It's also the pressure that gets Hafeez back in the team all the time.
 
Love bumping this thread.

We need to be tough and stop selecting him.
 
Hawkeye said:
Love bumping this thread.

We need to be tough and stop selecting him.
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Got an excellent delivery.

Look at the positive side, for once he didn't fill his boots when the match was lost. His innings in the first innings was good, need more of that, not useless runs when the match is lost.
 
Abdullah719 said:
Got an excellent delivery.

Look at the positive side, for once he didn't fill his boots when the match was lost. His innings in the first innings was good, need more of that, not useless runs when the match is lost.
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normally shafiq scores cheap second innings runs when the match is over. not this match though. 1st innings runs are almost always crucial.
 
Abdullah719 said:
Got an excellent delivery.

Look at the positive side, for once he didn't fill his boots when the match was lost. His innings in the first innings was good, need more of that, not useless runs when the match is lost.
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He overdid his quota as well. Scored in the practice match, his quota for the tour was done then. Surprised he scored in the first innings.

Now you can pretty much expect him to go missing or score useless runs in the 2nd Test.
 
Failure even when there's no pressure.

:sree

Who do we play in Tests as batsmen going forward? :S
 
Asad "one good innings per tour" Shafiq.

Lousy, nothing shot today.
 
Another coward player from Misbah factory, should never have played for Pakistan after 2016. Most of his good scores are in losing cause for Pakistan team.
 
Saj said:
Asad "one good innings per tour" Shafiq.

Lousy, nothing shot today.
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His 2 boundaries were also from the outside edge. He is just not good enough. Should have never played more than 15 tests.

Misbah was ready to bat him over Babar. If it wasn't for pressure coming from everywhere he wouldn't have changed.
He has got such an eye for mediocrity.
 
Asad is a good batsman, the second best in the team, needs to stand up more, being the senior batsman. He will come good in the second innings
 
Not a great player, but he is the best that Pakistan has.

Should be captaining the Test match team.
 
Saj said:
Asad "one good innings per tour" Shafiq.

Lousy, nothing shot today.
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Thats harsh.
He got a decent delivery which he had to play at.
Rizwan and ifti both flapped at wide deliveries which they could have let go and got out.
Imam got a beauty
Everyone else got decent deliveries.
 
Captain caveman said:
Thats harsh.
He got a decent delivery which he had to play at.
Rizwan and ifti both flapped at wide deliveries which they could have let go and got out.
Imam got a beauty
Everyone else got decent deliveries.
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That was a poor shot.

Asad was probably my favorite player. A good all-around batsman, but he is too soft. Perhaps this is due to him batting down the order for too long. And now he is not young enough to learn how to be a top-order batsman. I could say it is due to circumstances, but he is just not tough enough.
 
Captain caveman said:
Thats harsh.
He got a decent delivery which he had to play at.
Rizwan and ifti both flapped at wide deliveries which they could have let go and got out.
Imam got a beauty
Everyone else got decent deliveries.
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Rubbish batsmen he is wasted 10 years on this clown.
 
Hawkeye said:
He's one of our mainstay Test bats, has good number of tons at number 6 positions but..

We've often seen him giving up in crunch situations. Specially when trying to chase or save a match. Perhaps he gives up due to his nervousness and timidness?

Obviously he shouldn't and cannot be dropped, but is making the habit of scoring freely only when no pressure is on.
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He needs dropping also another mediocre batsman, just check his average since 2016-2018.
 
Captain caveman said:
Thats harsh.
He got a decent delivery which he had to play at.
Rizwan and ifti both flapped at wide deliveries which they could have let go and got out.
Imam got a beauty
Everyone else got decent deliveries.
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It was bowled outside off by Starc and slanting further away, Asad just hung his bat in the general direction of the ball. It was a pointless shot. Could have easily been left alone. His whole stay at the crease was jittery.
 
he already scored considerable runs in 1 inning of a test match which is the criteria to remain in the team. now he does not need to score any runs
 
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