Asia Cup 2023: Who needs enemies when you have friends like Sri Lanka and Bangladesh...

[MenInG]

So if media reports are to be believed...

The Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) has received support from cricket boards of Sri Lanka and Bangladesh with regards to moving this year’s Asia Cup out of Pakistan.

According to sources, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh are willing to host the Asia Cup if it’s moved out of Pakistan.

Additionally, if Pakistan decides against playing the Asia Cup, the Asian Cricket Council (ACC) could also consider replacing the Men in Green in the event with United Arab Emirates (UAE).

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So none of these so called friends of Pakistan have the guts to ask India any questions.

Amazing.

 

[Kianig89]

Friends of Pakistan let's not delusion yourself, they all are money chasers

 

[MenInG]

Friends of Pakistan let's not delusion yourself, they all are money chasers

I am guessing some arm-twisting by BCCI - maybe a threat on IPL participation by these countries and they buckled.

 

[hitthestump]

These countries owe nothing to Pakistan.

Meanwhile it is in their overwhelming interests to co-operate with India.

Pakistan have tried to throw their weight around by threatening to pull out of the World Cup and coerce India into toeing the line.

India have quickly and swiftly reminded Pakistan of their position in cricket. They are teaching us a lesson without even breaking a sweat while the billion dollar IPL runs in the foreground.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

These countries owe nothing to Pakistan.

Meanwhile it is in their overwhelming interests to co-operate with India.

Pakistan have tried to throw their weight around by threatening to pull out of the World Cup and coerce India into toeing the line.

India have quickly and swiftly reminded Pakistan of their position in cricket. They are teaching us a lesson without even breaking a sweat while the billion dollar IPL runs in the foreground.

So whats the alternative for Pakistan?

India has sabotaged the asia cup and will sabotage the champions trophy.

What do you think Pakistan should do here?

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

As expected. It's all about money for everyone.

For Pakistan it will either be bowing down to BCCI or stand up for what is right even it means missing a few tournaments.

Will Sethi have the guts to do the latter? His track record doesn't work in his favour and will want all the money.

 

[Sachin136]

As expected. It's all about money for everyone.

For Pakistan it will either be bowing down to BCCI or stand up for what is right even it means missing a few tournaments.

Will Sethi have the guts to do the latter? His track record doesn't work in his favour and will want all the money.

One would hope that Sethi has learned his lesson from the compensation case fiasco.

 

[sam_ahm]

So whats the alternative for Pakistan?

India has sabotaged the asia cup and will sabotage the champions trophy.

What do you think Pakistan should do here?

Perform on the field and try to win these events. There is no way PCB or any board can take the BCCI head on.

CT is an ICC event and it is 2 years away, a lot can change between now and then. Pakistan are worrying too much, too early, about it.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Don’t think the broadcasters will be happy with losing out on 2-3 matches of India vs Pakistan.

Hopefully, Sethi pulls us out of the Asia Cup for this years event and for future events.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

One would hope that Sethi has learned his lesson from the compensation case fiasco.

The BCCI is playing hard to get right now, but once there is a lucrative offer Sethi will accept it straight away and tell some other story to the media.

There is a reason someone like Sethi is in the PCB. He wants to make money.

 

[RexRex]

Don’t think the broadcasters will be happy with losing out on 2-3 matches of India vs Pakistan.

Hopefully, Sethi pulls us out of the Asia Cup for this years event and for future events.

Pakistan must demonstrate its commitment to principle and teach India a lesson by boycotting the 2023 ODI WC.

You have my support.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Don’t think the broadcasters will be happy with losing out on 2-3 matches of India vs Pakistan.

Hopefully, Sethi pulls us out of the Asia Cup for this years event and for future events.

If Pakistan doesn't protest now then there never will be an ICCI tournament hosted in Pakistan. This will become normal and that's what we need to avoid from happening.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Pakistan must demonstrate its commitment to principle and teach India a lesson by boycotting the 2023 ODI WC.

You have my support.

Boycotting the WC will only give India another reason not to come to Pakistan for the CT.

If Pakistan’s going to boycott an ICC event because of ACC’s failures then they’re only shooting themselves in the foot.

If Pakistan doesn't protest now then there never will be an ICCI tournament hosted in Pakistan. This will become normal and that's what we need to avoid from happening.

I have a feeling we’ll be going to Sri Lanka for the Asia Cup.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Who said they were only Pakistan's friend and not India's?

And they chose the friend that has done more for them.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Perform on the field and try to win these events. There is no way PCB or any board can take the BCCI head on.

CT is an ICC event and it is 2 years away, a lot can change between now and then. Pakistan are worrying too much, too early, about it.

Indias stance is clear.

If Pakistan concedes here India will deffo do the same in 2025.

Also I don't understand the comment about performing and trying to win the event. Thats what every team does anyway. We don't need India throwing its toys out the pram to encourage us to win events.

 

[hamzi]

If true this is ridiculous...As much as I love watching Pakistan play I hope they boycott both the Asia cup and the world cup.

Imagine threatening to replace the Host of an event because a team doesn't want to come to play. Multiple Middle easters athletes have been banned for prolonged periods because they didn't play their match against the Israeli opponent. Kenya made it to the Semi Finals in 2003 because a few teams weren't ready to travel there...how is this different? You don't want to come then don't come and forfeit your match but how can you force the event to be cancelled/moved? What's the point of having ICC there if they are just bowing down to money?

 

[cricketjoshila]

If true this is ridiculous...As much as I love watching Pakistan play I hope they boycott both the Asia cup and the world cup.

Imagine threatening to replace the Host of an event because a team doesn't want to come to play. Multiple Middle easters athletes have been banned for prolonged periods because they didn't play their match against the Israeli opponent. Kenya made it to the Semi Finals in 2003 because a few teams weren't ready to travel there...how is this different? You don't want to come then don't come and forfeit your match but how can you force the event to be cancelled/moved? What's the point of having ICC there if they are just bowing down to money?

All that is fine, but who will pay the bills if guy who brings 90 per cent of the revenue walks out. Thats for a ICC event.

For a ACC event Indian contribution is even more.

How will be the event financially viable?

Unless Pakistan agrees to compensate for the losses.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I am guessing some arm-twisting by BCCI - maybe a threat on IPL participation by these countries and they buckled.

Or they know that without India, the event is not financially viable.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Or they know that without India, the event is not financially viable.

There is no principle stance here from BCCI. They dnt want to come to Pakistan. And PCB provided solution like hybrid model and even agreed to pay for extra costs associated to hybrid model out of its share. But BCCI even has problems with this solution. At this point its just flex of muscle than being a responsible cricketing body of a country. Such pettiness, can't tolerate Cricket happening in Pakistan

 

[Kianig89]

I am guessing some arm-twisting by BCCI - maybe a threat on IPL participation by these countries and they buckled.

Or may be a lollipop of 2match T20 series in Bangladesh with India' C Team and a monsoon tour consisting of 3 ODIs in Dambulla

 

[cricketjoshila]

There is no principle stance here from BCCI. They dnt want to come to Pakistan. And PCB provided solution like hybrid model and even agreed to pay for extra costs associated to hybrid model out of its share. But BCCI even has problems with this solution. At this point its just flex of muscle than being a responsible cricketing body of a country. Such pettiness, can't tolerate Cricket happening in Pakistan

Can you please confirm that PCB has offered to pay all costs? Because the budget of the Asia Cup is yet to be passed.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Or may be a lollipop of 2match T20 series in Bangladesh with India' C Team and a monsoon tour consisting of 3 ODIs in Dambulla

You make fun of these tours. While Pakistan is hosting NZ C team for 8 matches.

Btw India tours keep a lot of boards from being bankrupt.

 

[CricVet]

This is exactly what Pak deserves under looters with no shame. These looters deserves the boot on their heads instead of feet. Those who live in a La-La land believe in justice. There is nothing for corrupts and weak. Might is right!

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Can you please confirm that PCB has offered to pay all costs? Because the budget of the Asia Cup is yet to be passed.

Najam Sethi during a tv interview said pcb would have to shell out 3 Million $ in case hybrid model gets approved by ACC and that pcb would definitely take that financial hit just to make sure tournament matches happen in Pakistan.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Can you please confirm that PCB has offered to pay all costs? Because the budget of the Asia Cup is yet to be passed.

Here is the news even reported by Indian Media

https://news.abplive.com/sports/cri...cept-hybrid-model-pcb-najam-sethi-1594863/amp

 

[Savak]

I think this fight is lost now. The PCB has stretched this as far as they could, it needs to come to an end now. Pakistan needs as many ODI matches as possible against quality teams before going into the WC.

Better for the PCB to survive and just fight another day.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Can you please confirm that PCB has offered to pay all costs? Because the budget of the Asia Cup is yet to be passed.

I think this fight is lost now. The PCB has stretched this as far as they could, it needs to come to an end now. Pakistan needs as many ODI matches as possible against quality teams before going into the WC.

Better for the PCB to survive and just fight another day.

There is no other day for this fight. Most of Pakistanis dnt care if we dnt play few tournaments but they dnt want to be bullied by India over cricket just because they have financial influence . There has to be some principle behind any stance you take. BCCI has no stance other than to just accept its whims and wishes

 

[hamzi]

All that is fine, but who will pay the bills if guy who brings 90 per cent of the revenue walks out. Thats for a ICC event.

For a ACC event Indian contribution is even more.

How will be the event financially viable?

Unless Pakistan agrees to compensate for the losses.

Its not BCCI's job to decide if an event is feasible or not, its not their decision as to who hosts what...that's what the ACC and ICC teams are there for....its their job to make sure that the events are feasible.

You can not have a board make decisions for International Events that were sanctioned by the Main governing body. If only India brings in the money then might as well stop the entire world from playing cricket. Let only India play their B and C teams in the World Cup.
Look at any other Sporting body and let me know if this happens anywhere else? As corrupt as Fifa is it does not bow down to 1 team to get more money.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

For everything PCB has done for SL. This is good for the Pakistan players, will get them pumped for the world cup.

If Pakistan really want to play it dirty, they should pull out of the India WC match just before the start.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Najam Sethi during a tv interview said pcb would have to shell out 3 Million $ in case hybrid model gets approved by ACC and that pcb would definitely take that financial hit just to make sure tournament matches happen in Pakistan.

But he said that if Pakistan doesn't play the Asia cup, Pakistan will lose $3mn. Nothing about paying the costs.

Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chairman Najam Sethi has said that it stands to lose around USD 3 million in revenues from the tournament if the country refuses to play in the Asia Cup this year.

https://indianexpress.com/article/s...-asia-cup-pcb-chief-najam-sethi-8550793/lite/

 

[cricketjoshila]

Here is the news even reported by Indian Media

https://news.abplive.com/sports/cri...cept-hybrid-model-pcb-najam-sethi-1594863/amp

PCB saying they are ready to lose their 3mn USD revenue share and pull out of the Asia cup. If the hosting rights are taken away.

Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chairman Najam Sethi has categorically denied to accept any other schedule for Asia Cup 2023 other than it's proposed hybrid model. Sethi said that the board is willing to willing accept revenue losses worth USD 3 Million but won't participate if the competition is shifted to a different venue altogether.

Read this and the link i posted.

It will become clear.

 

[cricketjoshila]

For everything PCB has done for SL. This is good for the Pakistan players, will get them pumped for the world cup.

If Pakistan really want to play it dirty, they should pull out of the India WC match just before the start.

Once they sign the MPA and pull out they will be sued.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Can you please confirm that PCB has offered to pay all costs? Because the budget of the Asia Cup is yet to be passed.

I think this fight is lost now. The PCB has stretched this as far as they could, it needs to come to an end now. Pakistan needs as many ODI matches as possible against quality teams before going into the WC.

Better for the PCB to survive and just fight another day.

But he said that if Pakistan doesn't play the Asia cup, Pakistan will lose $3mn. Nothing about paying the costs.

Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chairman Najam Sethi has said that it stands to lose around USD 3 million in revenues from the tournament if the country refuses to play in the Asia Cup this year.

https://indianexpress.com/article/s...-asia-cup-pcb-chief-najam-sethi-8550793/lite/

PCB has officially proposed hybrid model to ACC. If costs related to logistics is the hurdle in way of proposed hybrid Model , then it should be official response no? Just because you or your fellow indians are assuming that costs related to hybrid model is issue , does nt make it so. Unless ACC or BCCI officially take that stance

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Once they sign the MPA and pull out they will be sued.

They can't be sued if they cite security risks which there are. India is run by a RSS Hindu extremist who is a known mass murderer.

Pakistan should pull out of the match just before the start of the match and ask for their matches to be played outside of India.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

But he said that if Pakistan doesn't play the Asia cup, Pakistan will lose $3mn. Nothing about paying the costs.

Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chairman Najam Sethi has said that it stands to lose around USD 3 million in revenues from the tournament if the country refuses to play in the Asia Cup this year.

https://indianexpress.com/article/s...-asia-cup-pcb-chief-najam-sethi-8550793/lite/

They can't be sued if they cite security risks which there are. India is run by a RSS Hindu extremist who is a known mass murderer.

Pakistan should pull out of the match just before the start of the match and ask for their matches to be played outside of India.

PCB saying they are ready to lose their 3mn USD revenue share and pull out of the Asia cup. If the hosting rights are taken away.

Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chairman Najam Sethi has categorically denied to accept any other schedule for Asia Cup 2023 other than it's proposed hybrid model. Sethi said that the board is willing to willing accept revenue losses worth USD 3 Million but won't participate if the competition is shifted to a different venue altogether.

Read this and the link i posted.

It will become clear.

So according to you PCB is ready to sacrifice 3 Million $ in case hybrid model is not accepted. Then it is clear as day Pcb would definitely agree to take on additional logistics costs for executing hybrid model which will definitely be peanuts compared to actual revenue from tournament. So like i said there is no principled stance from BCCI.. they are just taking advantage to their financial position to coerce/convince other boards to take its side. BCCI has made it an issue of ego

 

[cricketjoshila]

PCB has officially proposed hybrid model to ACC. If costs related to logistics is the hurdle in way of proposed hybrid Model , then it should be official response no? Just because you or your fellow indians are assuming that costs related to hybrid model is issue , does nt make it so. Unless ACC or BCCI officially take that stance

BCCI already said that the budget doesn't allow for the hybrid model.

See PCB has to be tactful here. They have to decide what is important, Hosting or Money.

Their proposal should be straight forward. We want to host. If India doesn't come, we will compensate the losses. This should be their stance for the Asia Cup and CT.

Look at BCCI, they told the Broadcaster thar if they face any losses due to Pakistan's absence, BCCI will compensate them.

 

[cricketjoshila]

They can't be sued if they cite security risks which there are. India is run by a RSS Hindu extremist who is a known mass murderer.

Pakistan should pull out of the match just before the start of the match and ask for their matches to be played outside of India.

Your Foreign minister and a big delegate team along with media persons visited India couple of days back.

Citing your rubbish wont hold in court.

 

[cricketjoshila]

So according to you PCB is ready to sacrifice 3 Million $ in case hybrid model is not accepted. Then it is clear as day Pcb would definitely agree to take on additional logistics costs for executing hybrid model which will definitely be peanuts compared to actual revenue from tournament. So like i said there is no principled stance from BCCI.. they are just taking advantage to their financial position to coerce/convince other boards to take its side. BCCI has made it an issue of ego

Why doesn't PCB come out and say that they will foot the cost of the hybrid model.

Secondly PCB has the option of telling other boards that the PCB will compensate for the losses due to absence of India. Why don't they do that.

 

[zafarsyed]

PCB and unfortunately most of our public is completely delusional about our standing in the world (cricketing and otherwise) compared to India. We keep thinking of as arch rival BCCI and refuse to work with them and they keep isolating us further and further.

Many people here want us to boycott Asia Cup and World Cup because their thinking is that the world will come to stand still because Shaheen Shah Afridi or Baber Azam is not part of the world cup. That is very self centered thinking which is very much encouraged in uneducated communities. That reality is that the world will go on without missing a beat and very soon people will forget cricket use to be played in Pakistan.

It is in best interest of Pakistan Cricket to cooperate with BCCI like other smarter boards around the world and work with them because India has done a better job of taking care of its own people and their money speaks. If we want to compete with them, we should work on taking care of our own people instead of fighting with other cricket boards.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Why doesn't PCB come out and say that they will foot the cost of the hybrid model.

Secondly PCB has the option of telling other boards that the PCB will compensate for the losses due to absence of India. Why don't they do that.

PCB has no problem footing the bill for hybrid model. if they are willing to risk whole tournament just because of venue , common sense would tell you they will agree to foot the cost. they do not need to come out and say this openly. its BCCI which has to agree , but unfortunately reason for not accepting hybrid model isnt the budget of tournament. BCCI will compensate other boards for non participation of PCB in tournament but they have problem with logistics budget for hybrid cost? like seriously? what kind of logical argument is that? or you think people are stupid to understand the actual reasons which of course are political in nature

 

[nextover666666]

PCB has no problem footing the bill for hybrid model. if they are willing to risk whole tournament just because of venue , common sense would tell you they will agree to foot the cost. they do not need to come out and say this openly. its BCCI which has to agree , but unfortunately reason for not accepting hybrid model isnt the budget of tournament. BCCI will compensate other boards for non participation of PCB in tournament but they have problem with logistics budget for hybrid cost? like seriously? what kind of logical argument is that? or you think people are stupid to understand the actual reasons which of course are political in nature

POST of the Month spot on mate!!!!

 

[Saj]

Why are people surprised about this.

We've been saying all along that Boards will always side with BCCI when it comes to the crunch.

 

[Rajdeep]

I think this fight is lost now. The PCB has stretched this as far as they could, it needs to come to an end now. Pakistan needs as many ODI matches as possible against quality teams before going into the WC.

Better for the PCB to survive and just fight another day.

Sensible post. I think PCB should just bite the bullet and let go the Asia cup. Its just an insignificant event anyway and even if its held in UAE, PCB will make profit for being the host board...just like BCCI & SLCB made in 2018 & 2022. Pakistan should focus on Asia cup games played in UAE and get as much match practice as possible before the world cup.

Then if similar situation arise in 2025 CT, then PCB can take some drastic steps. Asia cup is not worth it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

PCB has no problem footing the bill for hybrid model. if they are willing to risk whole tournament just because of venue , common sense would tell you they will agree to foot the cost. they do not need to come out and say this openly. its BCCI which has to agree , but unfortunately reason for not accepting hybrid model isnt the budget of tournament. BCCI will compensate other boards for non participation of PCB in tournament but they have problem with logistics budget for hybrid cost? like seriously? what kind of logical argument is that? or you think people are stupid to understand the actual reasons which of course are political in nature

PCB hasn't said anything about paying the cost of hosting India in a neutral territory. Not even once.

Pulling out threat by PCB is its last remaining card and it remains to be seen if indeed they pull out.

BCCI will then get to host the tournament and they will have extra funds from gate receipts local sponsors etc. So they can compensate the teams.

Infact a sports journalist was saying that BCCI and Indian government are having discussions that if Pakistan doesn't come for 2023 WC, BCCI will compensate ICC and the Indian government will help BCCI by giving them 116mn usd in tax exemptions. So BCCI is ready with the plan if Pakistan doesn't come.

Why is PCB not offering to compensate boards of India doesn't come?

 

[Savak]

Rumour is that Sethi is going to agree to shifting the Asia Cup to a neutral venue and Pakistan's participation in the ODI WC in India in exchange for a guarantee of India's participation in the ODI CT in Pakistan in 2025.

Repeat of the 2014 MOU saga. The PPP is going to use this debacle as an excuse to have Sethi replaced with Zaka Ashraf as PCB chairman.

 

[sweep_shot]

Pakistan were chosen to be the Asia Cup host and they should host it in Pakistan.

If India don't want to come, Asia Cup should still happen without India.

Unethical from BCB and SLCB. They should've stayed neutral.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Sensible post. I think PCB should just bite the bullet and let go the Asia cup. Its just an insignificant event anyway and even if its held in UAE, PCB will make profit for being the host board...just like BCCI & SLCB made in 2018 & 2022. Pakistan should focus on Asia cup games played in UAE and get as much match practice as possible before the world cup.

Then if similar situation arise in 2025 CT, then PCB can take some drastic steps. Asia cup is not worth it.

as per reports in Media , PCB has sought written Gurantee from BCCI for participation in CT 2025 , in return PCB will agree to host Asia cup at neutral venue and also visit India for WC but all of us know that BCCI or Indian Government will not even agree to this. it was never about Asia cup and we all know that. it was about CT 2025. BCCI,s refusal to travel to pakistan for Asia cup has spooked PCB and now they are forced to take thses drastic steps. And believe me most of cricket Fans in Pakistan dnt care about non participation in few tournaments . People like me already support this idea regardless of notion that how it will impact the tournaments. Simply put we dnt care anymore

 

[Savak]

If the PCB is being forced to shift the entire Asia Cup tournament to a neutral venue then the least the PCB should ensure is that they get hundred percent of the revenues, profits and any extra costs have to be borne by the ACC and taken from the share of all the other ACC members.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

PCB hasn't said anything about paying the cost of hosting India in a neutral territory. Not even once.

Pulling out threat by PCB is its last remaining card and it remains to be seen if indeed they pull out.

BCCI will then get to host the tournament and they will have extra funds from gate receipts local sponsors etc. So they can compensate the teams.

Infact a sports journalist was saying that BCCI and Indian government are having discussions that if Pakistan doesn't come for 2023 WC, BCCI will compensate ICC and the Indian government will help BCCI by giving them 116mn usd in tax exemptions. So BCCI is ready with the plan if Pakistan doesn't come.

Why is PCB not offering to compensate boards of India doesn't come?

so you do agree BCCI is just flexing its financial clout to get win win situation in its favor. thats what i said original post. whats your point?

You said Indian Government does nt make exemptions as far tax money is concerned , but they can go as far as compensating BCCI so BCCI can compensate ICC in case of Non Participation of Pakistan in WC which would be because of India Not accepting any resolution put forward by PCB to solve this crisis on grounds of few hundred thousand $ that will be spent on hybrid model ? Broooo LMAO. spend 116 M $ to hurt Pakistan but we wont accept hybrid Model and cite budgetary constraints and few hundred thosuands of $? hahahahahaha

 

[Rajdeep]

as per reports in Media , PCB has sought written Gurantee from BCCI for participation in CT 2025 , in return PCB will agree to host Asia cup at neutral venue and also visit India for WC but all of us know that BCCI or Indian Government will not even agree to this. it was never about Asia cup and we all know that. it was about CT 2025. BCCI,s refusal to travel to pakistan for Asia cup has spooked PCB and now they are forced to take thses drastic steps. And believe me most of cricket Fans in Pakistan dnt care about non participation in few tournaments . People like me already support this idea regardless of notion that how it will impact the tournaments. Simply put we dnt care anymore

Look I will be honest, Indian team won't travel to Pakistan in 2025. Govt of India won't allow it and there is nothing BCCI can do about it. However, I think CT 2025 should still be played in Pakistan, either without India or with Indian games in neutral venues. The semis and final should remain in Pakistan and if India qualifies, I am sure they can visit for one off game. If ICC forces PCB to move the entire CT 2025 out of Pakistan, then PCB should take drastic steps but not now for Asia Cup.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Look I will be honest, Indian team won't travel to Pakistan in 2025. Govt of India won't allow it and there is nothing BCCI can do about it. However, I think CT 2025 should still be played in Pakistan, either without India or with Indian games in neutral venues. The semis and final should remain in Pakistan and if India qualifies, I am sure they can visit for one off game. If ICC forces PCB to move the entire CT 2025 out of Pakistan, then PCB should take drastic steps but not now for Asia Cup.

well you cant absolve BCCI in this whole scenario and just put whole blame of Indian Government. PCB did put forward hybrid model where we were fine hosting India at neutral venue as long other matches stayed in Pakistan. but BCCI reportedly even have problem with this solution as well. and giving excuses of Budgetary constraints of ACC to execute hybrid model. this is some next level Bullying thats what it is if you want me to be honest like you are in your post

 

[hitthestump]

So whats the alternative for Pakistan?

India has sabotaged the asia cup and will sabotage the champions trophy.

What do you think Pakistan should do here?

Pakistan were foolish to think they could go toe to toe with India on this topic.

PCB have a peashooter in comparison to the BCCI who have a whole arsenal.

They are now facing the embarassing scenario of backtracking from their lofty threats now that India has put them in their place and shown who power really belongs to.

The best outcome would have been to recognise their position in the hierachy. This meant coming to a conclusion which India agreed upon yet would have ensured Pakistan still achieved a positive in some way.

The opportunity for that has now gone.

 

[hitthestump]

Rumour is that Sethi is going to agree to shifting the Asia Cup to a neutral venue and Pakistan's participation in the ODI WC in India in exchange for a guarantee of India's participation in the ODI CT in Pakistan in 2025.

Repeat of the 2014 MOU saga. The PPP is going to use this debacle as an excuse to have Sethi replaced with Zaka Ashraf as PCB chairman.

India will not agree to this as it goes against their policy in the first place. The government apparently decides if the Indian team can tour Pakistan. Sethi has zero leverage here.

PCB can try and salvage some pride from this situation but really the only thing left to do is lick their wounds.

 

[Savak]

India will not agree to this as it goes against their policy in the first place. The government apparently decides if the Indian team can tour Pakistan. Sethi has zero leverage here.

PCB can try and salvage some pride from this situation but really the only thing left to do is lick their wounds.

The CT is an ICC event which all ICC members are bound by the participation agreement to participate in unlike the Asian Cup. The PCB is well within their rights to seek a guarantee that India will come to play in Pakistan for that event.

 

[U$ofA]

Pakistan must demonstrate its commitment to principle and teach India a lesson by boycotting the 2023 ODI WC.

You have my support.

You mean the ICC. India is merely a venue/host. The tournament is all ICC. All responsibilities are ICC. More importantly, all the $$$ belong to ICC.

 

[U$ofA]

Indias stance is clear.

If Pakistan concedes here India will deffo do the same in 2025.

Also I don't understand the comment about performing and trying to win the event. Thats what every team does anyway. We don't need India throwing its toys out the pram to encourage us to win events.

India throwing it's toys out is nothing new. It has happened before and will happen again. What surprises me is over enthusiasm of all the boards, jumping over each other to put the toys back. So India can do it all over again.

 

[msb314]

These countries owe nothing to Pakistan.

Meanwhile it is in their overwhelming interests to co-operate with India.

Pakistan have tried to throw their weight around by threatening to pull out of the World Cup and coerce India into toeing the line.

India have quickly and swiftly reminded Pakistan of their position in cricket. They are teaching us a lesson without even breaking a sweat while the billion dollar IPL runs in the foreground.

So whats the alternative for Pakistan?

India has sabotaged the asia cup and will sabotage the champions trophy.

What do you think Pakistan should do here?

Pull out of Asia Cup and withdraw membership from ICC.

Teach these crooks a permanent lesson. I’ll be glad to play 9 months of PSL and the occasional bilateral series..

 

[Zeshan547]

Pull out of Asia Cup and withdraw membership from ICC.

Teach these crooks a permanent lesson. I’ll be glad to play 9 months of PSL and the occasional bilateral series..

Tone down the jingoism mate, You are not the one getting directly affected from these decisions, we sadly live in real world not ideal world, and anyways every dog has its day , Pak time will come someday to payback this favor to India and with interest but for now Pak have to tow the line.

 

[U$ofA]

Pull out of Asia Cup and withdraw membership from ICC.

Teach these crooks a permanent lesson. I’ll be glad to play 9 months of PSL and the occasional bilateral series..

With whom? If PCB withdraws from the ICC, then none of the ICC members will play bilaterals with PCB.

 

[U$ofA]

so you do agree BCCI is just flexing its financial clout to get win win situation in its favor. thats what i said original post. whats your point?

You said Indian Government does nt make exemptions as far tax money is concerned , but they can go as far as compensating BCCI so BCCI can compensate ICC in case of Non Participation of Pakistan in WC which would be because of India Not accepting any resolution put forward by PCB to solve this crisis on grounds of few hundred thousand $ that will be spent on hybrid model ? Broooo LMAO. spend 116 M $ to hurt Pakistan but we wont accept hybrid Model and cite budgetary constraints and few hundred thosuands of $? hahahahahaha

Not sure what flexing you are talking about. It has been categorically stated in another thread that BCCI has been brought to it knees. BCCI's flexing days are done. ICC running the show now.

 

[Gilly]

Why are people surprised about this.

We've been saying all along that Boards will always side with BCCI when it comes to the crunch.

Boards don't side with BCCI, they do what is best for themselves. BCCI and PCB are like two kids fighting and blaming each other for starting it.

It has nothing to do with other boards and they don't align themselves with either board and just do whats best for their own cricket which is what their job is.

 

[Champ_Pal]

What would Bangladesh and Lanka gain from being friends with Pakistan? Nothing.

 

[DRsohail]

When was Bangladesh our friend?

 

[Mainul]

Alas!! Emotional people!!

I see nothing wrong here.

BCB and SCB has done what they should do. BCCI runs the cricket world. They have power. They have the money. They will convince any board . It's natural. These two boards can't go against them. Can Pakistan go against USA and join Russia against Ukrain if Pakistan want?

 

[Hitman]

Alas!! Emotional people!!

I see nothing wrong here.

BCB and SCB has done what they should do. BCCI runs the cricket world. They have power. They have the money. They will convince any board . It's natural. These two boards can't go against them. Can Pakistan go against USA and join Russia against Ukrain if Pakistan want?

At the end of the day, every cricket board does what's best for them. There are no permanent friends in cricket or geo politics.

 

[DRsohail]

Alas!! Emotional people!!

I see nothing wrong here.

BCB and SCB has done what they should do. BCCI runs the cricket world. They have power. They have the money. They will convince any board . It's natural. These two boards can't go against them. Can Pakistan go against USA and join Russia against Ukrain if Pakistan want?

agreed.

 

[proud_pakistani]

Pretty sure in the end the event will be held in UAE or something. Pakistan will in the end say sorry to India for wasting their time. Also, the same way BCCI is bullying us they will bully SCB and BCB so they have to protect their interests even if deep down they feel Pakistan is being hard done by.

 

[proud_pakistani]

Look I will be honest, Indian team won't travel to Pakistan in 2025. Govt of India won't allow it and there is nothing BCCI can do about it. However, I think CT 2025 should still be played in Pakistan, either without India or with Indian games in neutral venues. The semis and final should remain in Pakistan and if India qualifies, I am sure they can visit for one off game. If ICC forces PCB to move the entire CT 2025 out of Pakistan, then PCB should take drastic steps but not now for Asia Cup.

Lol this is like what my boss says. This time i cant give u a promotion but next year for sure and the cycle continues.

 

[proud_pakistani]

All that is fine, but who will pay the bills if guy who brings 90 per cent of the revenue walks out. Thats for a ICC event.

For a ACC event Indian contribution is even more.

How will be the event financially viable?

Unless Pakistan agrees to compensate for the losses.

I keep seeing you on threads flexing Indias financial muscle. We all know Indias financial might but that doesnt take away agreements held in the past. Why was Pakistan given hosting rights to Asia Cup in the first place if India can not honour that agreement even with the hybrid model? Its better to not give Pakistan such rights in the first place cuz we all know the issue of India playing Pakistan is not going to stop any time soon.

 

[cricketjoshila]

so you do agree BCCI is just flexing its financial clout to get win win situation in its favor. thats what i said original post. whats your point?

You said Indian Government does nt make exemptions as far tax money is concerned , but they can go as far as compensating BCCI so BCCI can compensate ICC in case of Non Participation of Pakistan in WC which would be because of India Not accepting any resolution put forward by PCB to solve this crisis on grounds of few hundred thousand $ that will be spent on hybrid model ? Broooo LMAO. spend 116 M $ to hurt Pakistan but we wont accept hybrid Model and cite budgetary constraints and few hundred thosuands of $? hahahahahaha

Budget has to be passed by ACC and the cost will be borne by ACC. Thereby affecting the share of all teams.

BCCI has offered to bear all the compensation if it gets to host the cup. Thereby insulating other teams. Thats why other boards are supporting BCCI.

If Pakistan doesn't come to India for the WC, there will be some financial impact. BCCI may offer to the ICC to compensate that. Since its the Indian government's policy of not playing Pakistan because of which Pakistan may not visit India, the government has the duty to share tye financial burden. This is very early discussion. BCCI has requested, the government is thinking.

Now coming to the PCB, why isn't PCB offering to compensate the ACC or ICC in case India skips a tournament in Pakistan? Or they can try to convince the other boards to share the losses.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The CT is an ICC event which all ICC members are bound by the participation agreement to participate in unlike the Asian Cup. The PCB is well within their rights to seek a guarantee that India will come to play in Pakistan for that event.

BCCI hasnt signed the new members participation agreement.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I keep seeing you on threads flexing Indias financial muscle. We all know Indias financial might but that doesnt take away agreements held in the past. Why was Pakistan given hosting rights to Asia Cup in the first place if India can not honour that agreement even with the hybrid model? Its better to not give Pakistan such rights in the first place cuz we all know the issue of India playing Pakistan is not going to stop any time soon.

Thats a fair point.

The solution is that PCB should offer to compensate the losses frim India's absence.

 

[Executioner]

Wait, Pakistan should be let down by BCB’s stance because they are being looked as the alternative venue? Everyone is after money and if the tournament isnt held then
1. No one gets money
2. Neither PCB nor BCB (or SLC) gets to host the tournament
3. India vs Pakistan doesn’t happen
4. A competitive tournament before World cup which is mighty good preparation doesnt happen
5. A future cricketing nation like Nepal will finally get to play against big boys (previously they played BD and Afghanistan in WT20 but thats it)
6. Afghanistan team will get to play some ODIs and decent teams

Bangladesh has been a good friend of Pakistan in the cricket fraternity. And if the tides were turned PCB would have done the same

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Thats a fair point.

The solution is that PCB should offer to compensate the losses frim India's absence.

You keep repeating same ** over and Over again with no logic. Jay Shah hinted that BCCI will compensate Broadcasters losses in case of Pakistan.s exclusion. and you answered that BCCI will host and gate money will take care of it. Thats biggest ** i have ever heard. Pakistan vs India Generate almost 90% revenue in Asia cup. now gate money cannot cover all these losses to broadcasters. every sane person knows this. BCCI will compensate Broadcaster in future series involving India. thats what Media reported yesterday. but you here offer us ** in arguments. BCCI refuses to go by Hybrid Model and cite minuscule expenses that will happen because of few games at neutral venue. This expense is far less than losses ACC will suffer due to non participation of Pakistan. Why India will compensate broadcasters if Pakistan does nt play? does that make sense to you? they will do that because they are flexing financial might and at same time providing excuses like budget of ACC . this is bigotry and hypocrisy that every one can see through. Secondly Pakistan do not need to offer compensation to anyone for non participation of India. thats no solution. thats ** again. If ICC takes away hosting rights of Pakistan due to India , thats on them not Pakistan

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Alas!! Emotional people!!

I see nothing wrong here.

BCB and SCB has done what they should do. BCCI runs the cricket world. They have power. They have the money. They will convince any board . It's natural. These two boards can't go against them. Can Pakistan go against USA and join Russia against Ukrain if Pakistan want?

Cricket is not Geo politics and analogy that you gave about Russia USA and Ukraine is entirely different thing. Cricket is sports and it should be played with sportsman spirit , but BCCI and Indian government is involving geo political issues in cricket , this shows that India is trying to exert influence through cricket because BCCI has some sort of financial clout and power. but at same time it also goes on to show that India cannot exert pressure on Pakistan Politically outside cricket. First India Should establish hegemony in region politically which they do not have and then play power politics in region once they have it. but unfortunately lack of Indian hegemony in region is hurting cricket because thats the only avenue India is able to damage Pakistan as far policies go

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Not sure what flexing you are talking about. It has been categorically stated in another thread that BCCI has been brought to it knees. BCCI's flexing days are done. ICC running the show now.

Asia cup has nothing to do with ICC. and other thread that talked about BCCI coming to its knees was counter argument by some Indian Posters that said ICC cannot do anything against India which was nt true in light of tax exemption issues. What icc will do in future as far fight between BCCI and PCB is concerned remains to be seen

 

[cricketjoshila]

You keep repeating same ** over and Over again with no logic. Jay Shah hinted that BCCI will compensate Broadcasters losses in case of Pakistan.s exclusion. and you answered that BCCI will host and gate money will take care of it. Thats biggest ** i have ever heard. Pakistan vs India Generate almost 90% revenue in Asia cup. now gate money cannot cover all these losses to broadcasters. every sane person knows this. BCCI will compensate Broadcaster in future series involving India. thats what Media reported yesterday. but you here offer us ** in arguments. BCCI refuses to go by Hybrid Model and cite minuscule expenses that will happen because of few games at neutral venue. This expense is far less than losses ACC will suffer due to non participation of Pakistan. Why India will compensate broadcasters if Pakistan does nt play? does that make sense to you? they will do that because they are flexing financial might and at same time providing excuses like budget of ACC . this is bigotry and hypocrisy that every one can see through. Secondly Pakistan do not need to offer compensation to anyone for non participation of India. thats no solution. thats ** again. If ICC takes away hosting rights of Pakistan due to India , thats on them not Pakistan

There is gate money and in ground sponsorship that will be much much higher in India than in Pakistan.

Come out of this thinking that Indo-pak encounter gets 90 percent revenue. Its India that will bring most of the revenue.

Its BCCI's dealings how and when they will compensate the Broadcaster. Point is they will and ACC and other teams won't lose money.

ACC won't suffer losses because BCCI will compensate the Broadcaster. So no money will be deducted from ACC.

Do you have any source regards to how much extra money will be required to host the tournament in two countries and who will foot the bill?

BCCI is likely to compensate the ICC if Pakistan doesn't come. They will set a precedent at the ICC board. Other boards will want PCB or any other board to follow it.

There is a reason why BCCI hasnt signed the participation agreement for the next cycle. As per media it has to do with the 2025 CT.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Cricket is not Geo politics and analogy that you gave about Russia USA and Ukraine is entirely different thing. Cricket is sports and it should be played with sportsman spirit , but BCCI and Indian government is involving geo political issues in cricket , this shows that India is trying to exert influence through cricket because BCCI has some sort of financial clout and power. but at same time it also goes on to show that India cannot exert pressure on Pakistan Politically outside cricket. First India Should establish hegemony in region politically which they do not have and then play power politics in region once they have it. but unfortunately lack of Indian hegemony in region is hurting cricket because thats the only avenue India is able to damage Pakistan as far policies go

Sports is part of geo politics. It has happened time and again that countries and teams have faced boycotts and bans.

India doesn't engage with Pakistan politically. Even the trade is down to a trickle. Diplomatic relations are at the bare minimum. Its only cricket where due to ICC or ACC tournaments India has to cross paths with Pakistan.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

There is gate money and in ground sponsorship that will be much much higher in India than in Pakistan.

Come out of this thinking that Indo-pak encounter gets 90 percent revenue. Its India that will bring most of the revenue.

Its BCCI's dealings how and when they will compensate the Broadcaster. Point is they will and ACC and other teams won't lose money.

ACC won't suffer losses because BCCI will compensate the Broadcaster. So no money will be deducted from ACC.

Do you have any source regards to how much extra money will be required to host the tournament in two countries and who will foot the bill?

BCCI is likely to compensate the ICC if Pakistan doesn't come. They will set a precedent at the ICC board. Other boards will want PCB or any other board to follow it.

There is a reason why BCCI hasnt signed the participation agreement for the next cycle. As per media it has to do with the 2025 CT.

you need to come out of thinking that its only India that brings revenue. what brings revenue is competitive sports in which there is opposition to Indian Team and because of that Game , Broadcaster pay revenue. so every competitive team brings something to table. even in IPL , participation of Foreign players is what Keeps Public interest in tournament , thats why Broadcasters pay the big money because of Public interest . can Ranjhi trophy generate what IPL generates? or try India Vs India A and see how much Broadcasters will pay for that LOL

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Sports is part of geo politics. It has happened time and again that countries and teams have faced boycotts and bans.

India doesn't engage with Pakistan politically. Even the trade is down to a trickle. Diplomatic relations are at the bare minimum. Its only cricket where due to ICC or ACC tournaments India has to cross paths with Pakistan.

India does nt want to engage politically with Pakistan but why? because India Cannot make Pakistan do things it wants Pakistan to do as far Geo politics goes. so in turn India is resorting to things that it can exert influence or pressure which happens to be Cricket . and so Far Indian policy is unclear even in Cricket. they Play with Pakistan at neutral venue but cant visit Pakistan. what purpose that serves? why dnt India Boycott Pakistan if it wants to invlove geo politics in sports like you cited Bans and Boycots