Asia Cup 2023: Who needs enemies when you have friends like Sri Lanka and Bangladesh...

[U$ofA]

you need to come out of thinking that its only India that brings revenue. what brings revenue is competitive sports in which there is opposition to Indian Team and because of that Game , Broadcaster pay revenue. so every competitive team brings something to table. even in IPL , participation of Foreign players is what Keeps Public interest in tournament , thats why Broadcasters pay the big money because of Public interest . can Ranjhi trophy generate what IPL generates? or try India Vs India A and see how much Broadcasters will pay for that LOL

I think [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION]'s point is, there is a huge disproportion in what teams bring to the table. This was proved beyond a doubt with the recent ICC events broadcast deal. When isolated by country it came to light not just which country brings most to the table but also how much.

It currently stands at 90%. This is pretty much no one else pulling any weight. All the others need to step up. How much do you think WI, SLC or BD for example bring to the table?

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Sports is part of geo politics. It has happened time and again that countries and teams have faced boycotts and bans.

India doesn't engage with Pakistan politically. Even the trade is down to a trickle. Diplomatic relations are at the bare minimum. Its only cricket where due to ICC or ACC tournaments India has to cross paths with Pakistan.

lol at “due to ICC and ACC”

So what happens when ICC and ACC come into equation?
The blood of dead Indian soldiers of Pulwama attacks is stepped over and temporarily forgotten by india and go ahead n play with Pakistan?

Why did India recently sent its baseball team to Pakistan?
Indian baseball players n their association has no value for dead Indian soldiers of Pulwama and dead civilians of 26/11?

How come Modi landed into Pakistan to meet n greet Nawaz Shareef?
Modi forgot about the “terrorist state, and terrorist army, and training camps, and sending jihadis to Kashmir and all about geo politics”?

Where was the drama of dead Indian soldiers at the border when Modi was cozying up with Nawaz in Pakistan?
The aatmas of those dead Indian soldiers must have enjoyed all of it. No?

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

I think [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION]'s point is, there is a huge disproportion in what teams bring to the table. This was proved beyond a doubt with the recent ICC events broadcast deal. When isolated by country it came to light not just which country brings most to the table but also how much.

It currently stands at 90%. This is pretty much no one else pulling any weight. All the others need to step up. How much do you think WI, SLC or BD for example bring to the table?

Teams or countries do not bring anything on their own. its the competitiveness of sports that brings money. There will always be India VS someone to bring that 90% . Mere Participation of India in tournament is nt what brings 90%... its the matches that will happen. take out all other teams and keep Just India.. will that 90% exist? India has to play against someone to make that 90% .. why cant Indians understand this?

 

[U$ofA]

Teams or countries do not bring anything on their own. its the competitiveness of sports that brings money. There will always be India VS someone to bring that 90% . Mere Participation of India in tournament is nt what brings 90%... its the matches that will happen. take out all other teams and keep Just India.. will that 90% exist? India has to play against someone to make that 90% .. why cant Indians understand this?

My point is, why is it always India vs someone that generates $$$$? Why not say, WI vs SL? Why are most of the others just napping?

They just wait around for ICC handouts and India tours. A fire needs to lit under a number of boards to up their game.

 

[proud_pakistani]

Thats a fair point.

The solution is that PCB should offer to compensate the losses frim India's absence.

Lol why should Pakistan compensate when its India deciding not to come?

Do you hear yourself? Pakistan is willing to pay for the additional costs to host India seperately on a venue other than Pakistan. What more do you want

 

[proud_pakistani]

I think [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION]'s point is, there is a huge disproportion in what teams bring to the table. This was proved beyond a doubt with the recent ICC events broadcast deal. When isolated by country it came to light not just which country brings most to the table but also how much.

It currently stands at 90%. This is pretty much no one else pulling any weight. All the others need to step up. How much do you think WI, SLC or BD for example bring to the table?

Why dont we stop international cricket and just play IPL then.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

My point is, why is it always India vs someone that generates $$$$? Why not say, WI vs SL? Why are most of the others just napping?

They just wait around for ICC handouts and India tours. A fire needs to lit under a number of boards to up their game.

Cricket is by far most popular sports in country with population of 1.5 Billion thats why India VS Someone will bring in big money but does that Give BCCI right to do whatever it wants? probably no

you are right as far other boards not being able to pull their weight. thats probably because of lack of interest in the game in those countries coupled with ailing economies. and Those boards can pull their socks up by making their teams more competitive to generate Public interest but they also need to have economy to pull up numbers. now ICC tournament and its revenues is all different. Indians keep on arguing ICC is making money because of India but thats not 100% true..ICC tournament is generating money because ICC is bringing all other nations under single tournament and India Happens to be one of them. So Technically Its the tournament thats bringing money its not the BCCI alone. Does Fifa Isolate sponsors country wise and then make list of countries that generate revenue? and make them qualify for WC automatically? A big no

 

[U$ofA]

Why dont we stop international cricket and just play IPL then.

Isn't that what the IPL owners are trying to do? Exclusive contracts and all?

 

[Savak]

According to a news report, the PCB has threatened to respond in kind to the BCCI and ACC threats by planning to host a tri series of their own and they have contacted 4-5 non Asian boards for this purpose.

 

[U$ofA]

Cricket is by far most popular sports in country with population of 1.5 Billion thats why India VS Someone will bring in big money but does that Give BCCI right to do whatever it wants? probably no

you are right as far other boards not being able to pull their weight. thats probably because of lack of interest in the game in those countries coupled with ailing economies. and Those boards can pull their socks up by making their teams more competitive to generate Public interest but they also need to have economy to pull up numbers. now ICC tournament and its revenues is all different. Indians keep on arguing ICC is making money because of India but thats not 100% true..ICC tournament is generating money because ICC is bringing all other nations under single tournament and India Happens to be one of them. So Technically Its the tournament thats bringing money its not the BCCI alone. Does Fifa Isolate sponsors country wise and then make list of countries that generate revenue? and make them qualify for WC automatically? A big no

If BCCI is getting out of hand, it's the job of the ICC to bring them in line. ICC is the governing body. They should try doing some governing for a change.

Of course all boards contribute towards a WC. The problem is that it's disproportionate %. It has become too lopsided. It used to be some 50% in and around 2000. Then about a decade or so ago it was 70% and now, it stands at 90%.

At 90% it is safe to say the other boards are pretty much doing nothing. One board lifting almost all the weight does not bode well for the game and for international cricket. How long can this sustain before the board pulling all the weight gets tired of it?

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

If BCCI is getting out of hand, it's the job of the ICC to bring them in line. ICC is the governing body. They should try doing some governing for a change.

Of course all boards contribute towards a WC. The problem is that it's disproportionate %. It has become too lopsided. It used to be some 50% in and around 2000. Then about a decade or so ago it was 70% and now, it stands at 90%.

At 90% it is safe to say the other boards are pretty much doing nothing. One board lifting almost all the weight does not bode well for the game and for international cricket. How long can this sustain before the board pulling all the weight gets tired of it?

Im not sure what you are trying to say with 90% from one board? Indian Broadcasters pay ICC big money, its not the BCCI pulling its weight. you are isolating sponsor revenue country wise but question is , is that right thing to argue? FOX paid Billions of US$ to Fifa for Broadcasting rights of 2022 Fifa WC. Fox Sports Outbid ESPN ( Disney subsidiary by 440 Million $ ) , by your logic governing body of USA for soccer is responsible for this much revenue? of course that argument does nt hold value in front of fifa or soccer world but Indians have some different thinking about Cricket and ICC. its funny somehow

 

[cricketjoshila]

you need to come out of thinking that its only India that brings revenue. what brings revenue is competitive sports in which there is opposition to Indian Team and because of that Game , Broadcaster pay revenue. so every competitive team brings something to table. even in IPL , participation of Foreign players is what Keeps Public interest in tournament , thats why Broadcasters pay the big money because of Public interest . can Ranjhi trophy generate what IPL generates? or try India Vs India A and see how much Broadcasters will pay for that LOL

ICC recently sold its TV rights for the next cycle.

Indian territory was sold for $3bn for 4 years
UK for 160mn for 8 years
Australia 60mn for 4 years

Unless your claim is that Pakistan will bring more revenues than UK or Australia, this argument of yours has no value.

In 2018 STAR won the BCCI international contract with a bid of ~$9mn per match. There was no clause on who the opponent will be

So money will come as long as India is one of the teams.

Ofcourse the opposition will bring some money.

But 90 per cent of the money will come from India and that's proven by the ICC rights sale.

If all Indian stars play, a tournament with India A B C will generate a lot of money. I hope India plays one if they have to skip the CT 2025.

 

[CricketingMinds]

According to a news report, the PCB has threatened to respond in kind to the BCCI and ACC threats by planning to host a tri series of their own and they have contacted 4-5 non Asian boards for this purpose.

Eng and NZ are playing each other in Sept.
SA and Aus just recently agreed to play each other in SA in Sept.

That leaves us with WI and Zim as the only non Asian boards who are available to play in Sept.

 

[cricketjoshila]

India does nt want to engage politically with Pakistan but why? because India Cannot make Pakistan do things it wants Pakistan to do as far Geo politics goes. so in turn India is resorting to things that it can exert influence or pressure which happens to be Cricket . and so Far Indian policy is unclear even in Cricket. they Play with Pakistan at neutral venue but cant visit Pakistan. what purpose that serves? why dnt India Boycott Pakistan if it wants to invlove geo politics in sports like you cited Bans and Boycots

Why should India waste time and efforts by engaging with Pakistan? Its of no use and brings little benefit.

Unless Pakistan does something to provoke India, and India needs to retaliate, Pakistan and India's path do not cross politically.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Teams or countries do not bring anything on their own. its the competitiveness of sports that brings money. There will always be India VS someone to bring that 90% . Mere Participation of India in tournament is nt what brings 90%... its the matches that will happen. take out all other teams and keep Just India.. will that 90% exist? India has to play against someone to make that 90% .. why cant Indians understand this?

Why can't you understand that India can play any other team and still bring the revenue. While others can't bring that same revenue without India.

India is the constant. Rest are all variables.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Why should India waste time and efforts by engaging with Pakistan? Its of no use and brings little benefit.

Unless Pakistan does something to provoke India, and India needs to retaliate, Pakistan and India's path do not cross politically.

lol , India dnt want to engage with Pakistan Politically but have to engage with Pakistan when ACC or ICC comes into equation. Logic of playing Pakistan at neutral venue in tournaments but not in Pakistan? What exactly is Indian policy regarding Pakistan? IF terrorism is the issue , what purpose does it serve when India Plays Pakistan at tournament level? now you will argue we dnt want to loose points but apparently BCCI can do without Pakistan in Asia cup and ICC WC so why dnt BCCI and Indian Government boycott Pakistan cricket at all levels instead of selective boycott which has now exapnded to playing a tournament in Pakistan as well. earlier it was about loosing points in tournaments. You guys are confused at best

 

[Rana]

According to a news report, the PCB has threatened to respond in kind to the BCCI and ACC threats by planning to host a tri series of their own and they have contacted 4-5 non Asian boards for this purpose.

Savak and his leaks lol

Dude please share your source

 

[cricketjoshila]

Lol why should Pakistan compensate when its India deciding not to come?

Do you hear yourself? Pakistan is willing to pay for the additional costs to host India seperately on a venue other than Pakistan. What more do you want

1. If Pakistan wants to host, they should compensate. India too should compensate for the absence of Pakistan.

2. That point has already been debunked. PCB hasn't made any such offer.

 

[U$ofA]

Why can't you understand that India can play any other team and still bring the revenue. While others can't bring that same revenue without India.

India is the constant. Rest are all variables.

This is spot on. Nicely summed up.

 

[Rana]

[MENTION=2501]Savak[/MENTION] what will this series be called?

“In Solidarity with Pakistan cup” series?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Cricket is by far most popular sports in country with population of 1.5 Billion thats why India VS Someone will bring in big money but does that Give BCCI right to do whatever it wants? probably no

you are right as far other boards not being able to pull their weight. thats probably because of lack of interest in the game in those countries coupled with ailing economies. and Those boards can pull their socks up by making their teams more competitive to generate Public interest but they also need to have economy to pull up numbers. now ICC tournament and its revenues is all different. Indians keep on arguing ICC is making money because of India but thats not 100% true..ICC tournament is generating money because ICC is bringing all other nations under single tournament and India Happens to be one of them. So Technically Its the tournament thats bringing money its not the BCCI alone. Does Fifa Isolate sponsors country wise and then make list of countries that generate revenue? and make them qualify for WC automatically? A big no

But ICC sells its TV rights country wise and 90 per cent of that revenue is from India.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Im not sure what you are trying to say with 90% from one board? Indian Broadcasters pay ICC big money, its not the BCCI pulling its weight. you are isolating sponsor revenue country wise but question is , is that right thing to argue? FOX paid Billions of US$ to Fifa for Broadcasting rights of 2022 Fifa WC. Fox Sports Outbid ESPN ( Disney subsidiary by 440 Million $ ) , by your logic governing body of USA for soccer is responsible for this much revenue? of course that argument does nt hold value in front of fifa or soccer world but Indians have some different thinking about Cricket and ICC. its funny somehow

ICC sells its TV rights country wise.

I have given the break-up in a post above. So yes, its India thats funding cricket.

 

[Saj]

According to a news report, the PCB has threatened to respond in kind to the BCCI and ACC threats by planning to host a tri series of their own and they have contacted 4-5 non Asian boards for this purpose.

Hoping it's not Pakistan, Pakistan A and Pakistan U19s.

 

[sam_ahm]

Indias stance is clear.

If Pakistan concedes here India will deffo do the same in 2025.

Also I don't understand the comment about performing and trying to win the event. Thats what every team does anyway. We don't need India throwing its toys out the pram to encourage us to win events.

But you can't win them when you don't play at all, can you? Pakistan don't have enough bargaining power. As a cricket fan I want Pakistan to play in the WC, because they've been a great cricketing nation... But even if they don't play, how does it teaches a lesson to the BCCI is beyond me.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

But ICC sells its TV rights country wise and 90 per cent of that revenue is from India.

is ICC profit making Organisation or Governing body that cares about Tv rights and Funds instead of Development of Game? 90% or 50% does nt or should nt matter. ICC needs to stop counting $ and focus on governing for change. ICC objective is not to sell Tv rights but to ensure Game is played in right spirit and manner and one country should nt be able to dictate terms regardless of Money

 

[sam_ahm]

Look I will be honest, Indian team won't travel to Pakistan in 2025. Govt of India won't allow it and there is nothing BCCI can do about it. However, I think CT 2025 should still be played in Pakistan, either without India or with Indian games in neutral venues. The semis and final should remain in Pakistan and if India qualifies, I am sure they can visit for one off game. If ICC forces PCB to move the entire CT 2025 out of Pakistan, then PCB should take drastic steps but not now for Asia Cup.

That's exactly what a sensible board would do. Fair points. I do agree that CT should happen in Pak with or without India and if the ICC threatens then PCB can even take legal action or other drastic steps.

Asia cup is literally a non-event.

 

[U$ofA]

is ICC profit making Organisation or Governing body that cares about Tv rights and Funds instead of Development of Game? 90% or 50% does nt or should nt matter. ICC needs to stop counting $ and focus on governing for change. ICC objective is not to sell Tv rights but to ensure Game is played in right spirit and manner and one country should nt be able to dictate terms regardless of Money

All evidence to the contrary. All ICC does is sell broadcasting rights, collect $$$ at the world cups, give some to the boards to keep them happy. Sit for 4 years and do it all over again.

 

[sam_ahm]

is ICC profit making Organisation or Governing body that cares about Tv rights and Funds instead of Development of Game? 90% or 50% does nt or should nt matter. ICC needs to stop counting $ and focus on governing for change. ICC objective is not to sell Tv rights but to ensure Game is played in right spirit and manner and one country should nt be able to dictate terms regardless of Money

Ah! You live in an ideal world mate... If this is what you think and expect from the ICC then you are headed for disappointment.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

All evidence to the contrary. All ICC does is sell broadcasting rights, collect $$$ at the world cups, give some to the boards to keep them happy. Sit for 4 years and do it all over again.

thats why i said for change what icc needs to do..of course thats what logic would entail but hey we live in crazy world so anything goes including ICC being a business instead of governing body

 

[Varun]

According to a news report, the PCB has threatened to respond in kind to the BCCI and ACC threats by planning to host a tri series of their own and they have contacted 4-5 non Asian boards for this purpose.

Nothing will happen, if we go by past evidence.

 

[Abstraction1]

Alot of bonesense about money here. Yes, money talks and plays a big part. It is pathetic however, that people are more concerned with the bank accounts of CEO's than the state of the game. This goes beyond finances... This is an affront to the game itself.

A major cricketing Nation is essentially being boycotted and ostracised in the cricketing world. The other boards are fully aware of this, but would rather chase a few crumbs the BCCI brings instead of upholding any degree of integrity and principle.

The PCB have also many self-inflicted wounds too. Najam's little Excel Comparison Table with Ramiz Raja sums up the status and circus show of the current regime. Pakistani fans don't take the PCB Managemebt seriously. Imagine what other boards think!

 

[Arajit]

lol , India dnt want to engage with Pakistan Politically but have to engage with Pakistan when ACC or ICC comes into equation. Logic of playing Pakistan at neutral venue in tournaments but not in Pakistan? What exactly is Indian policy regarding Pakistan? IF terrorism is the issue , what purpose does it serve when India Plays Pakistan at tournament level? now you will argue we dnt want to loose points but apparently BCCI can do without Pakistan in Asia cup and ICC WC so why dnt BCCI and Indian Government boycott Pakistan cricket at all levels instead of selective boycott which has now exapnded to playing a tournament in Pakistan as well. earlier it was about loosing points in tournaments. You guys are confused at best

Its quite simple. India just wants to hurt pakistan economically. When it plays pakistan at neutral venue and ICC Tournaments, it's to safegaurd ICC and other Boards financial interests.

When it denies bilateral cricket with pakistan and to visit pakistan, its sole reason is hurting pakistan economically.

India will not visit pakistan for Asia Cup, but I am sure India will visit Pakistan for 2025 CT considering it being ICC Tornament and to safegaurd ICC and other Boards financial interests.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Wait, Pakistan should be let down by BCB’s stance because they are being looked as the alternative venue? Everyone is after money and if the tournament isnt held then
1. No one gets money
2. Neither PCB nor BCB (or SLC) gets to host the tournament
3. India vs Pakistan doesn’t happen
4. A competitive tournament before World cup which is mighty good preparation doesnt happen
5. A future cricketing nation like Nepal will finally get to play against big boys (previously they played BD and Afghanistan in WT20 but thats it)
6. Afghanistan team will get to play some ODIs and decent teams

Bangladesh has been a good friend of Pakistan in the cricket fraternity. And if the tides were turned PCB would have done the same

Points 3-6 could happen with an Asia cup in Pakistan.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Its quite simple. India just wants to hurt pakistan economically. When it plays pakistan at neutral venue and ICC Tournaments, it's to safegaurd ICC and other Boards financial interests.

When it denies bilateral cricket with pakistan and to visit pakistan, its sole reason is hurting pakistan economically.

India will not visit pakistan for Asia Cup, but I am sure India will visit Pakistan for 2025 CT considering it being ICC Tornament and to safegaurd ICC and other Boards financial interests.

Like i said confused at best. India will visit for Ct 2025 to safeguard interests of other stakeholders but will not visit for Asia cup 2023 because Asia cup is opportunity to hurt Pakistan economically and Bcci does nt need to worry about safeguarding other's interests at this point. Some ** logic

Pakistan cricket has survived without playing India. And can survive in future too. There is enough interest for Game in Pakistan for its survival, like other Boards we dnt need BCCI to play with us nor pcb demands it anymore.

Sole reason to make issue of this whole thing is optics. BJP wants to look tough in front of its public by making these petty moves . Even to get elected BJP needs Pakistan rhetoric to win it but hey India does nt need to engage with Pakistan at all according to some posts here. Make up clear mind regarding Pakistan what you guys want

 

[cricketjoshila]

is ICC profit making Organisation or Governing body that cares about Tv rights and Funds instead of Development of Game? 90% or 50% does nt or should nt matter. ICC needs to stop counting $ and focus on governing for change. ICC objective is not to sell Tv rights but to ensure Game is played in right spirit and manner and one country should nt be able to dictate terms regardless of Money

Except India Australia and England rest all boards depend on ICC revenue share to sustain themselves. Who will pay their bills?

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Except India Australia and England rest all boards depend on ICC revenue share to sustain themselves. Who will pay their bills?

The same way it was being paid in 90s and early 2000s.

Pcb does nt need icc handouts anymore because PSL revenue and bilaterals are enough to pay pcb bills

 

[volcyz]

Pcb has 0 chance of winning anything vs the BCCI

 

[The_Last_Samurai]

So, PCB will only survive not grow and blossom like BCCI..

PCB should have been no. 2 after BCCI considering the population of Pakistan but its ECB and CA who are above PCB as they have professionals and honest ppl running their cricket boards.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

If Pakistan dont play the World Cup, all the fans who support the move can pay out of their pocket to give Pakistan their share of ICC revenue.

If they cant, they shouldnt become emotional and "thump chests".

Its so easy to shout and clap when your salary is coming home and you dont have to lose millions of dollars.


The reality is Pakistan can just go with the flow and find ways to strenghten their own cricket so it has a chance in the next 5 years to be in a bargaining power.

But obviously, we have no clue.

 

[U$ofA]

The same way it was being paid in 90s and early 2000s.

Pcb does nt need icc handouts anymore because PSL revenue and bilaterals are enough to pay pcb bills

Sorry to burst your bubble. But PCB makes very little $$$ from the PSL. Yes, the PSL makes money, but almost all of it is taken by the franchises. PCB is left holding an almost empty bag.

 

[MenInG]

According to sources, PCB is not willing to host the entire Asia Cup at a neutral venue as forced by the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI).

"There are only two options, either play in Pakistan or accept the hybrid model. Hosting the entire tournament outside Pakistan will waste all the efforts of bringing international cricket to the country. It will also affect the Champions Trophy in Pakistan in 2025," sources said.

"There are a lot of things going at the back end. PCB has contacted different boards to play the series. Maybe it's South Africa, Zimbabwe, Ireland, or West Indies. It depends on their availability according to the FTP," the source added.

 

[The_Last_Samurai]

West Indies would be playing their CPL in August -Septmember so their first choice players wont be available.

Ireland are to host Eng in SEPTEMBER..

SOUTH AFRICA will be hosting AUSTRALIA in September...

Only Zimbawe don't have any series scheduled in September...

 

[proud_pakistani]

1. If Pakistan wants to host, they should compensate. India too should compensate for the absence of Pakistan.

2. That point has already been debunked. PCB hasn't made any such offer.

I do not understand a word u say so let me put it in plain English for you.

1- There was an agreement signed that Pakistan will host Asia Cup in Pakistan.

2- As per this agreement India should come to Pakistan, however due to government restrictions they can not. Even for this Pakistan is being flexible and offering a solution to host India's games outside Pakistan.

3- Even though there is an agreement Pakistan is flexible however India does not want to budge on their stance and wants Pakistan to move the entire tournament which is completely unjustified. If India decides to boycott the tournament despite Pakistan giving valid options it is on them and there should not be any financial implication to Pakistan.

As per your point 2, Najam Sethi has multiple times stated that he wants to do a hybrid model so you need to get your facts checked.

 

[Mainul]

Cricket is not Geo politics and analogy that you gave about Russia USA and Ukraine is entirely different thing. Cricket is sports and it should be played with sportsman spirit , but BCCI and Indian government is involving geo political issues in cricket , this shows that India is trying to exert influence through cricket because BCCI has some sort of financial clout and power. but at same time it also goes on to show that India cannot exert pressure on Pakistan Politically outside cricket. First India Should establish hegemony in region politically which they do not have and then play power politics in region once they have it. but unfortunately lack of Indian hegemony in region is hurting cricket because thats the only avenue India is able to damage Pakistan as far policies go

These words like sportsmanship spirit or sports minus geo politics doesn't comply with the real world. This world isn't so fair and fine.

Pakistan and India last played full bilateral series in 2005.

Geo politics always had a strong influence on sports. Middle east countries will not play Israel even in world cup. And rightly so. An international team represents it's country with all its ethics and morality.

 

[The_Last_Samurai]

These words like sportsmanship spirit or sports minus geo politics doesn't comply with the real world. This world isn't so fair and fine.

Pakistan and India last played full bilateral series in 2005.

Geo politics always had a strong influence on sports. Middle east countries will not play Israel even in world cup. And rightly so. An international team represents it's country with all its ethics and morality.

Full bilateral series was in 2007 when MSD led the ODI series while the test team was led by ANIL KUMBLE in India.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

These words like sportsmanship spirit or sports minus geo politics doesn't comply with the real world. This world isn't so fair and fine.

Pakistan and India last played full bilateral series in 2005.

Geo politics always had a strong influence on sports. Middle east countries will not play Israel even in world cup. And rightly so. An international team represents it's country with all its ethics and morality.

its entirely different with India though. Countries do boycott other countries in sports but India does nt boycott Pakistan completely. they are fine playing with Pakistan at neutral venue but if its in Pakistan then they got the problem. and also want us to travel to India for wc. so countries with ethics and morality should also display it as well or these are just words?

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Sorry to burst your bubble. But PCB makes very little $$$ from the PSL. Yes, the PSL makes money, but almost all of it is taken by the franchises. PCB is left holding an almost empty bag.

Actually they stand to make lot of money from franchise fee in future. current cycle was sold in 2015 for 93 Million$ with Multan Sultan added later on at somewhere around 50 Million$ because Multan sultans changed ownership as well. current cycle is due to end by 2025 and PCB can make new contract and raise franchise fee and also plan to add more teams. If going by MS valuation of 50 Million$ and we get 8 teams minimum , this amount could be in Ballpark of 400 Million $

 

[Kianig89]

Rumours on social media should BCCI abandon Asia Cup and go for a Pentagular Cup with Asian Minnows then PCB planning a Rainbow Cup with Zimbabwe & RSA

 

[The_Last_Samurai]

Rumours on social media should BCCI abandon Asia Cup and go for a Pentagular Cup with Asian Minnows then PCB planning a Rainbow Cup with Zimbabwe & RSA

SA is hosting AUSTRALIA in September.

 

[Rajdeep]

Rumours on social media should BCCI abandon Asia Cup and go for a Pentagular Cup with Asian Minnows then PCB planning a Rainbow Cup with Zimbabwe & RSA

How would that help PCB? I thought the entire reason PCB wanted to host Asia cup in Pakistan is to show the world that it is safe and 2025 CT can go ahead without any issues. Now if PCB skips Asia Cup themselves and play a tri series with Zim/SA instead, how would that serve any purpose? Being a host board, they will be depriving themselves from all the profits and will be marked as a board who couldn't even organize Asia Cup.

If the aim here is to teach India a lesson, it won't help either bcoz BCCI can easily substitute Pakistan with another team and play the Asia Cup in Dubai. They will infact earn more profit by becoming the host board. The only way PCB can hurt BCCI a bit is by skipping world cup in India as it would have some financial ramifications.

As I said before, the best bet for PCB is to organize the Asia Cup in Dubai. I mean whatever the reasons were but BCCI & SLCB did the same back in 2018 & 2022 and made significant profits. PCB should just let go its zid and do the same. Then go the world cup and aim to put up a great show. I am sure ICC will then ensure PCB gets to keep the CT 2025, without India or with hybrid model. It is the best bet for PCB as far as I can see.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

PCB has been backed up in the corner. BCCI just flexing its muscle here.

Stern test for Sethi here. Please don't embarass Pak Cricket here.

 

[Saj]

The likes of SLC and BCB go where the dollars are.

They know which side their bread is buttered on and who will provide them with the dollars they need in future.

 

[Savak]

How would that help PCB? I thought the entire reason PCB wanted to host Asia cup in Pakistan is to show the world that it is safe and 2025 CT can go ahead without any issues. Now if PCB skips Asia Cup themselves and play a tri series with Zim/SA instead, how would that serve any purpose? Being a host board, they will be depriving themselves from all the profits and will be marked as a board who couldn't even organize Asia Cup.

If the aim here is to teach India a lesson, it won't help either bcoz BCCI can easily substitute Pakistan with another team and play the Asia Cup in Dubai. They will infact earn more profit by becoming the host board. The only way PCB can hurt BCCI a bit is by skipping world cup in India as it would have some financial ramifications.

As I said before, the best bet for PCB is to organize the Asia Cup in Dubai. I mean whatever the reasons were but BCCI & SLCB did the same back in 2018 & 2022 and made significant profits. PCB should just let go its zid and do the same. Then go the world cup and aim to put up a great show. I am sure ICC will then ensure PCB gets to keep the CT 2025, without India or with hybrid model. It is the best bet for PCB as far as I can see.

A face saving move by the PCB could be to agree to shift the entire Asia Cup to a neutral venue in exchange for the highest possible share of the profits and all the other ACC members sharing the extra costs incurred in hosting the tournament outside Pakistan and also a guarantee that the CT in 2025 will not be shifted to the neutral venues.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Slightly unrelated but there are reports coming that PCB and SLC are trying to arrange ODIs during Paks two test your in June-July. Not clear if they are planning on scrapping the tests or playing some extra games.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The same way it was being paid in 90s and early 2000s.

Pcb does nt need icc handouts anymore because PSL revenue and bilaterals are enough to pay pcb bills

50 per cent of PCB budget comes from the ICC handouts..

I didn't say it.

Former PCB chairman Rameez Raja said it.

Its time you have a reality check.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I do not understand a word u say so let me put it in plain English for you.

1- There was an agreement signed that Pakistan will host Asia Cup in Pakistan.

2- As per this agreement India should come to Pakistan, however due to government restrictions they can not. Even for this Pakistan is being flexible and offering a solution to host India's games outside Pakistan.

3- Even though there is an agreement Pakistan is flexible however India does not want to budge on their stance and wants Pakistan to move the entire tournament which is completely unjustified. If India decides to boycott the tournament despite Pakistan giving valid options it is on them and there should not be any financial implication to Pakistan.

As per your point 2, Najam Sethi has multiple times stated that he wants to do a hybrid model so you need to get your facts checked.

India hasnt signed any agreement with PCB so i don't know who told you about this agreement.

Infact PCB doesn't have a agreement with ACC either. They refused to sign the agreement saying it favours India.

"The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) has returned the agreement to host the Asia Cup to the Asian Cricket Council (ACC) with a protest.

The PCB has objected to the agreement, claiming that it appears to favor India and that they will decide the venue for the tournament. "

https://cricketpakistan.com.pk/en/news/amp/asia-cup-pcb-objects-to-host-agreement-favouring-india


Has Sethi said who will pay the bills for the hybrid model?

 

[sam_ahm]

Seriously Pakistan fans, you need to come to terms with reality. There are some really delusional posts here comparing India with other nations when it comes to cricket.

Guys, BCCI is a powerhouse, it is a fact that a huge majority of ICCs revenue comes from India, so no cricket board or even the ICC can go against the BCCI. It is that simple. If you understand that fine. If you don't then good luck living in your fantasy world.

 

[MenInG]

Sri Lanka is likely to host the upcoming Asia Cup with the Asian Cricket Council (ACC) set to move the tournament from Pakistan. The decision to shift the event from the original host country was always on the cards from the moment BCCI secretary Jay Shah said that the Indian team would not travel across the border.

A final decision on the venue for the tournament is expected by the end of this month with Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Afghanistan backing the move to host the event in the island nation. Pakistan’s participation in the tournament is unclear as of now with reports indicating that it might boycott the event.

https://indianexpress.com/article/s...-be-moved-from-pakistan-to-sri-lanka-8598563/

 

[gazza619]

[MENTION=2501]Savak[/MENTION] what will this series be called?

Pak Army Zindabad Cup.

 

[gazza619]

Sri Lanka is likely to host the upcoming Asia Cup with the Asian Cricket Council (ACC) set to move the tournament from Pakistan. The decision to shift the event from the original host country was always on the cards from the moment BCCI secretary Jay Shah said that the Indian team would not travel across the border.

A final decision on the venue for the tournament is expected by the end of this month with Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Afghanistan backing the move to host the event in the island nation. Pakistan’s participation in the tournament is unclear as of now with reports indicating that it might boycott the event.

https://indianexpress.com/article/s...-be-moved-from-pakistan-to-sri-lanka-8598563/

Should have played in UAE.

I cannot stand the music band sounds on SL grounds. Just spoils the whole damn experience.

 

[RexRex]

Pak Army Zindabad Cup.

I think the the PCB should call it the 'Honour intact Cup'

 

[gazza619]

I think the the PCB should call it the 'Honour intact Cup'

Even better, ‘beggars can be choosers cup’

 

[DeadlyVenom]

A face saving move by the PCB could be to agree to shift the entire Asia Cup to a neutral venue in exchange for the highest possible share of the profits and all the other ACC members sharing the extra costs incurred in hosting the tournament outside Pakistan and also a guarantee that the CT in 2025 will not be shifted to the neutral venues.

PCB should let the Asia cup go. India can play a pentangular and next time Asia cup is held Pakistan should just leave it.

India/BCCI is bankrolling the television rights themselves here.

How long will they continue this for?

Remember they have sent B teams in the past, so the Asia cup isn't a major priority for them. If they have to bankroll the tv rights each time ( as they are doing with star sports this time allegedly), then at some point they may tell the other boards to do one and that's the end of the Asia cup.

This is from an old media article -

A source said that under the long-term agreement between the ACC and the broadcaster, it is mandatory that Pakistan and India play each other at least twice, or thrice, in the regional multi-team event.

"It is not possible to have the Asia Cup without Pakistan and India matches. This is the understanding on which the agreement is based," the source said.

He said the broadcasters have been guaranteed that the arch-rivals will play at least twice before the final as it happened during the Asia Cup in 2022 in the UAE.

"Without Pakistan and India matches, the broadcasting agreement goes awry," he warned.

For champions trophy rather than trying to lobby India they must seek assurances from the ICC that if India pulls out the tournament will go ahead.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

50 per cent of PCB budget comes from the ICC handouts..

I didn't say it.

Former PCB chairman Rameez Raja said it.

Its time you have a reality check.

How much revenue is icc sharing with Pakistan in terms of percentage? Probably 10% which is justified since PCB participates in ICC events , and its not exactly handout. Handout would be ireland or Zimbabwe taking up 10%. Infact whatever revenue India Pakistan match Generates, 90% of it goes to India anyway. If India's share in icc revenue is disproportionate then distribution is also pretty much disproportionate. Infact big 3 tried to retain almost everything between them during srinivasan chairmanship in bed with Clarke from ecb.. ICC finance committee came to its senses and revised big 3 model to be more justified but still major chunk goes to three boards. So dnt try to tell us icc gives Pakistan handouts. Pakistan plays the tournament and a team which is participant in match that Generates highest revenue compared to any other match. India also plays other teams , if it was only India generating revenue then Pak vs Ind would nt be of no importance to icc so much that every tournament both teams have same group since 2012

 

[sweep_shot]

Sri Lanka is likely to host the upcoming Asia Cup with the Asian Cricket Council (ACC) set to move the tournament from Pakistan. The decision to shift the event from the original host country was always on the cards from the moment BCCI secretary Jay Shah said that the Indian team would not travel across the border.

A final decision on the venue for the tournament is expected by the end of this month with Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Afghanistan backing the move to host the event in the island nation. Pakistan’s participation in the tournament is unclear as of now with reports indicating that it might boycott the event.

https://indianexpress.com/article/s...-be-moved-from-pakistan-to-sri-lanka-8598563/

Sri Lanka is a boring place for any tournament.

It should be held in Pakistan, UAE, or Bangladesh.

 

[cricketjoshila]

How much revenue is icc sharing with Pakistan in terms of percentage? Probably 10% which is justified since PCB participates in ICC events , and its not exactly handout. Handout would be ireland or Zimbabwe taking up 10%. Infact whatever revenue India Pakistan match Generates, 90% of it goes to India anyway. If India's share in icc revenue is disproportionate then distribution is also pretty much disproportionate. Infact big 3 tried to retain almost everything between them during srinivasan chairmanship in bed with Clarke from ecb.. ICC finance committee came to its senses and revised big 3 model to be more justified but still major chunk goes to three boards. So dnt try to tell us icc gives Pakistan handouts. Pakistan plays the tournament and a team which is participant in match that Generates highest revenue compared to any other match. India also plays other teams , if it was only India generating revenue then Pak vs Ind would nt be of no importance to icc so much that every tournament both teams have same group since 2012

So if pakistan skips ICC events they will lose proportionate share of ICC revenue which is very important to PCB.

BCCI gets approx 20 percent of revenue share. Despite bringing 90 per cent of revenues.

India generates the Highest revenue for the ICC and that's a proven fact. There is no data or source that says India Pakistan generates the highest revenue or how much is Pakistan's contribution to that.

Since BCCI brings 90 per cent and next are England and Australia, imagine how little is Pakistan's contribution and how much they are getting. So this Pakistan brings highest revenue by playing a match theory goes out of the window.

 

[The_Last_Samurai]

Should have played in UAE.

I cannot stand the music band sounds on SL grounds. Just spoils the whole damn experience.

Those bands in the stands gives the SRI LANKAN flavour that the local people enjoy a lot.

 

[The_Last_Samurai]

So if pakistan skips ICC events they will lose proportionate share of ICC revenue which is very important to PCB.

BCCI gets approx 20 percent of revenue share. Despite bringing 90 per cent of revenues.

India generates the Highest revenue for the ICC and that's a proven fact. There is no data or source that says India Pakistan generates the highest revenue or how much is Pakistan's contribution to that.

Since BCCI brings 90 per cent and next are England and Australia, imagine how little is Pakistan's contribution and how much they are getting. So this Pakistan brings highest revenue by playing a match theory goes out of the window.

ZIM vs IND in T20WC in AUS was a full house and was keenly watched by millions across the world while the same never happens with Pak playing against ZIM or other country in a league match...
Money is where India plays.

 

[BDfanforever]

Why can't Pak just host the tournament in UAE like they have in the past? I get it that they will lose revenue, but if Ind don't play there won't be any revenue to begin with.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Why can't Pak just host the tournament in UAE like they have in the past? I get it that they will lose revenue, but if Ind don't play there won't be any revenue to begin with.

Why can't India play in Pakistan?

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

So if pakistan skips ICC events they will lose proportionate share of ICC revenue which is very important to PCB.

BCCI gets approx 20 percent of revenue share. Despite bringing 90 per cent of revenues.

India generates the Highest revenue for the ICC and that's a proven fact. There is no data or source that says India Pakistan generates the highest revenue or how much is Pakistan's contribution to that.

Since BCCI brings 90 per cent and next are England and Australia, imagine how little is Pakistan's contribution and how much they are getting. So this Pakistan brings highest revenue by playing a match theory goes out of the window.

Indians are just too much fixated on 90% theory , however reality is that ICC revenue is ICC,s , does nt matter if it gets better deals from Indian Market but at the end of the day rights are sold for tournament to which ICC is sole owner and other members are only participant. so BCCI cannot claim it as its own share. Tournament consists of teams. Match between Pak Vs India brings highest revenue as far one individual match is concerned. nobody said Ind vs Pakistan match is 90% of entire broadcast deal. but if compared to other matches individually , Pak vs Ind Stands out and thats the reason Broadcasters want this match in every tournament. why is it so hard for you to understand? so There may not be Broadcasters or Sponsors present from Pakistan as far giving icc deals but mere participation of Pakistan team is enough to generate more revenue due to rivalry of it. So whatever share ICC gives Pakistan , its deserved but not handed out like you think so. We will see how much BCCI compensates broadcasters for Asia cup , where agreement is very clear about Minimum two matches between arch rivals ... in case of Asia cup we can say big chunk of Broadcast money is Ind Vs Pakistan and without this match Asia cup does nt exist. BCCI can sure compensate ACC out of the way just to hurt Pakistan. thats another matter

 

[Kianig89]

How would that help PCB? I thought the entire reason PCB wanted to host Asia cup in Pakistan is to show the world that it is safe and 2025 CT can go ahead without any issues. Now if PCB skips Asia Cup themselves and play a tri series with Zim/SA instead, how would that serve any purpose? Being a host board, they will be depriving themselves from all the profits and will be marked as a board who couldn't even organize Asia Cup.

If the aim here is to teach India a lesson, it won't help either bcoz BCCI can easily substitute Pakistan with another team and play the Asia Cup in Dubai. They will infact earn more profit by becoming the host board. The only way PCB can hurt BCCI a bit is by skipping world cup in India as it would have some financial ramifications.

As I said before, the best bet for PCB is to organize the Asia Cup in Dubai. I mean whatever the reasons were but BCCI & SLCB did the same back in 2018 & 2022 and made significant profits. PCB should just let go its zid and do the same. Then go the world cup and aim to put up a great show. I am sure ICC will then ensure PCB gets to keep the CT 2025, without India or with hybrid model. It is the best bet for PCB as far as I can see.

No need of you to worry let the Einsteins in PCB handle that issue, better grab your popcorn for India vs Nepal game on a breezy September afternoon )

 

[sam_ahm]

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[Punjab Kings]

ZIM vs IND in T20WC in AUS was a full house and was keenly watched by millions across the world while the same never happens with Pak playing against ZIM or other country in a league match...
Money is where India plays.

Becoz in big tournament chokers can only win against these Zimbabwe like teams

 

[cricketjoshila]

Indians are just too much fixated on 90% theory , however reality is that ICC revenue is ICC,s , does nt matter if it gets better deals from Indian Market but at the end of the day rights are sold for tournament to which ICC is sole owner and other members are only participant. so BCCI cannot claim it as its own share. Tournament consists of teams. Match between Pak Vs India brings highest revenue as far one individual match is concerned. nobody said Ind vs Pakistan match is 90% of entire broadcast deal. but if compared to other matches individually , Pak vs Ind Stands out and thats the reason Broadcasters want this match in every tournament. why is it so hard for you to understand? so There may not be Broadcasters or Sponsors present from Pakistan as far giving icc deals but mere participation of Pakistan team is enough to generate more revenue due to rivalry of it. So whatever share ICC gives Pakistan , its deserved but not handed out like you think so. We will see how much BCCI compensates broadcasters for Asia cup , where agreement is very clear about Minimum two matches between arch rivals ... in case of Asia cup we can say big chunk of Broadcast money is Ind Vs Pakistan and without this match Asia cup does nt exist. BCCI can sure compensate ACC out of the way just to hurt Pakistan. thats another matter

90 per cent of revenues are generated from India. Indians are paying to watch their team play. Thats proven by the ICC deals.

There is no proven source that says that India vs Pakistan brings the highest revenue. No pakistsni plays in the IPL, yet its tv deal is one of the biggest in the world. The BCCI international tv contract is worth another billion dollars. None of them includes Pakistan.

So forget that Pakistan is needed to bring revenues. As long as India is playing a competitive team, millions will watch and will bring billions.

The Asia cup may be going to Srilanka as we speak.

Pakistanis thought there would be no IPL without them. Many made that claim on this forum. IPL today earns more revenue than the ICC.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

90 per cent of revenues are generated from India. Indians are paying to watch their team play. Thats proven by the ICC deals.

There is no proven source that says that India vs Pakistan brings the highest revenue. No pakistsni plays in the IPL, yet its tv deal is one of the biggest in the world. The BCCI international tv contract is worth another billion dollars. None of them includes Pakistan.

So forget that Pakistan is needed to bring revenues. As long as India is playing a competitive team, millions will watch and will bring billions.

The Asia cup may be going to Srilanka as we speak.

Pakistanis thought there would be no IPL without them. Many made that claim on this forum. IPL today earns more revenue than the ICC.

Star Sports stood to earn 100 Cr Inr through ad revenue during Ind vs Pakistan wc 2019 as reported by India Media. Here is proof

https://www.livemint.com/industry/a...-cup-match-through-ads/amp-1560449116790.html

Thats just one channel. There are others as well sharing broadcast rights.

Tell me which other match in icc event brings that much? We are talking about Icc and its events. Stop telling me about IPL and BcCI tv deals for its hone matches. Thats not point of discussion anyway

Indians dnt pay to watch their team. Broadcasters pay big money to telecast matches so they could sell ads. Its business and at end of the day , their effort is to sell ads worth more than what they paid icc for rights.. stop pretending Indians are doing charity

Why icc is forced to keep India and Pakistan in same group? Indians dnt want to engage with Pakistan at any level then why dnt they ask icc to stop doing it? Bigotry and hypocrisy has no limits. There is no clear stance by Indians regarding Pakistan. I have said earlier in my posts that India's position on Pakistan is confused at best.

 

[Hitman]

Tone down the jingoism mate, You are not the one getting directly affected from these decisions, we sadly live in real world not ideal world, and anyways every dog has its day , Pak time will come someday to payback this favor to India and with interest but for now Pak have to tow the line.

Not trying to provoke you, but do you have any hypothetical scenario in mind that might happen in the future?

 

[The_Last_Samurai]

Not trying to provoke you, but do you have any hypothetical scenario in mind that might happen in the future?

The gap between India and PAK will increase even more in the future. There was a time when PCB and BCCI were at equal footing but it wont happen ever again...BCCI has used the Indian population and the craze of cricket in such a way where Indian cricket alone can fund ICC forever while Pakistan with its corrupt and incompetent administrators have done zilch to improve PCB and Pakistan cricket. No one knows where NAJAM SETHI would remain PCB chairman in 2024 or not. A new PM will install his ppl in PCB and change the constitution again and they will change everything done by the last chairman...Rameez is eagerly waiting to run PCB again and change whatever NAJAM SETHI has done.

 

[proud_pakistani]

India hasnt signed any agreement with PCB so i don't know who told you about this agreement.

Infact PCB doesn't have a agreement with ACC either. They refused to sign the agreement saying it favours India.

"The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) has returned the agreement to host the Asia Cup to the Asian Cricket Council (ACC) with a protest.

The PCB has objected to the agreement, claiming that it appears to favor India and that they will decide the venue for the tournament. "

https://cricketpakistan.com.pk/en/news/amp/asia-cup-pcb-objects-to-host-agreement-favouring-india


Has Sethi said who will pay the bills for the hybrid model?

So you are saying ACC gave hosting rights to PCB without consent of the mighty BCCI?

 

[IamIndian]

Becoz in big tournament chokers can only win against these Zimbabwe like teams

ICC trophies won by Countries

ICC trophies won by Australia: Women’s World Cups: 8. Men’s World Cups: 5. Men’s T20 World Cups: 1. ICC Champions Trophy: 2
ICC trophies won by India: Men’s World Cups 2, World Championship of Cricket 1, Men’s T20 World Cup: 1, ICC Champions Trophy: 1
ICC trophies won by England: Women’s World Cups: 4, Men’s T20 World Cups: 2. Men’s World Cups: 1.
CC trophies won by New Zealand: World Test Championships: 1. Women’s World Cup: 1. ICC Champions Trophy: 1
ICC trophies won by Pakistan: ICC Men’s World Cup: 1. ICC T20 World Cup: 1, ICC Champions Trophy: 1
ICC trophies won by West Indies: ICC Men’s World Cup 2: ICC Men’s T20 World Cup: 2. ICC Champions Trophy: 1