Asian immigrants to the West feel the need to show loyalty?

[KingKhanWC]

I've noticed those who have moved to the west as teens/adults feel they need to show a lot of loyalty to their homeland. Some go as far as criticising their motherland over their new homeland.

Are you an immigrant to the west? Do you feel the need to show more loyalty than many who are born there? Is it because your accent is foreign so showing/being highly patriotic, supporting , defending your new homeland makes others feel you are part of the nation?

I've lived in the UK all my life. If the nation does good things I will support them and if they do immoral things such as illegal wars, I will heavily criticise it. This is normal for British citizens, there is no pressure to be patriotic. Who else born in the west feels this is normal?

 

[sweep_shot]

I wasn't born in west. I came when I was 15. However, I agree with you that it should be fine to criticize.

Freedom of speech should always be respected.

 

[Mamoon]

Immigrants have to be grateful and loyal. They had no right to be in the country in the first place.

 

[kingusama92]

It depends.

I was born in Canada, so I can't relate on that front.

However, I believe immigrants often criticize their country because they left it for a reason. It's not the same as moving from one first-world country to another.

A good percentage of these people lived in harsh conditions (financially, educationally, security-wise) and perhaps found peace in the UK, USA, or Canada. In such cases, it makes sense when they want to show such passionate loyalty.

A person born in the West will never relate to that feeling unless it comes through their parents/grandparents/older siblings. They will hold their country to a higher standard and freely criticize the country when it does something wrong. An immigrant, on the other hand, may feel even at its worst, the Western country is better than what they left behind.

 

[Tubs]

I think this narrative has been concocted out of nothing. Part of being British is being overly critical of the country, government and all other things British. There is freedom of speech here, which isn't really the case in the Asian countries which the immigrants are coming from (unfortunately). Perhaps there could be a disconnect about the sanctity of religion (as you're free to be as critical as you like about the any religious belief or lack thereof), but I really don't see too much expectation of immigrant Asians to be especially patriotic.

 

[Sidilicious]

Are you saying one should not criticise ones home country just because one is from there?

Nothing wrong if the criticism is justified.

 

[imrankhannsu]

In many desi populated areas in the UK, dont see any efforts to show any loyalty to the country

 

[Gilly]

Cant see a problem showing loyalty to the country you live in, why would you not.

 

[troodon]

I am extremely grateful for the Nation of USA, the Greatest Nation ever in the history of the Planet.

God Bless USA!!

 

[JaDed]

It depends.

I was born in Canada, so I can't relate on that front.

However, I believe immigrants often criticize their country because they left it for a reason. It's not the same as moving from one first-world country to another.

A good percentage of these people lived in harsh conditions (financially, educationally, security-wise) and perhaps found peace in the UK, USA, or Canada. In such cases, it makes sense when they want to show such passionate loyalty.

A person born in the West will never relate to that feeling unless it comes through their parents/grandparents/older siblings. They will hold their country to a higher standard and freely criticize the country when it does something wrong. An immigrant, on the other hand, may feel even at its worst, the Western country is better than what they left behind.

Top post.. but sometimes we just want the best for motherland as well and except us if anyone else(other nationalities) criticizes the motherland we will get upset.

Also I think the OP is someone that will put down his immigrated land (even though born there)and praise his motherland.

 

[troodon]

Top post.. but sometimes we just want the best for motherland as well and except us if anyone else(other nationalities) criticizes the motherland we will get upset.

Also I think the OP is someone that will put down his immigrated land (even though born there)and praise his motherland.

Hoping the best for the Mother land is fine, but the loyalty should be completely towards the new adopted land. There is an oath taking ceremony for a reason.

 

[JaDed]

Hoping the best for the Mother land is fine, but the loyalty should be completely towards the new adopted land. There is an oath taking ceremony for a reason.

I agree .. but unless required why to be that nationalistic ? Very rarely would countries ask for absolute loyalty.. in America probably the Japs had to be like that , who else?

Most Muslims has no issue with war on Afghanistan but people had issues with the Iraq one and rightly so coz that was a lie..

Americans and Australian immigrants aren’t like the Brit ones.. there is no appeasement in these two countries.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Cant see a problem showing loyalty to the country you live in, why would you not.

There is no need to show anything, you are loyal if you don't break the law, pay taxes. Nothing more is required in a nation such as the UK.

You may not understand but many immigrants feel the need to SHOW they are loyal because they don't feel as accepted as those bought up in the land. What then happens is they go to the extreme and defend anything the country does , even against their own homeland sometimes.

 

[Minnowbasher]

Immigrants have to be grateful and loyal. They had no right to be in the country in the first place.

Complete generalisation and utter nonsense.


If it weren't for immigrants the UK and Europe wouldve been in a crisis for a long time after world war 2. White people didnt want to take the lower quality jobs so they went to the immigrants which did the job.

 

[Gilly]

There is no need to show anything, you are loyal if you don't break the law, pay taxes. Nothing more is required in a nation such as the UK.

You may not understand but many immigrants feel the need to SHOW they are loyal because they don't feel as accepted as those bought up in the land. What then happens is they go to the extreme and defend anything the country does , even against their own homeland sometimes.

Still dont see the problem, if they want to show loyalty then what is the problem. You do have a choice and that choice is yours.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Still dont see the problem, if they want to show loyalty then what is the problem. You do have a choice and that choice is yours.

Its out of pressure for many due to the some natives which are against immigrants other ethnicities etc. Come on you should know living in Aus.

 

[Gilly]

Its out of pressure for many due to the some natives which are against immigrants other ethnicities etc. Come on you should know living in Aus.

Never meet migrants in Australia that are anti west, most of them seem to grateful that they can live with freedom.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Never meet migrants in Australia that are anti west, most of them seem to grateful that they can live with freedom.

Anti western state terrorism. You have not met any Australians who are wondering why Aussie troops are in Iraq?

 

[Gilly]

Anti western state terrorism. You have not met any Australians who are wondering why Aussie troops are in Iraq?

No most migrants I've met have come to Australia for a better life, where they come from they have no freedom and family members just disappear.

 

[KingKhanWC]

No most migrants I've met have come to Australia for a better life, where they come from they have no freedom and family members just disappear.

I wrote ANY Australians. Or do you think all Aussies support your soldiers occupying others land? The point is if those who are born and grew up in Aus or UK can openly criticise the country for policies such as Iraq, immigrants should also have no problem doing the same.

 

[James]

Interesting question as I find that many people who get derided as “immagrunts” were actually born in that very country, they just happen to be of a different colour - usually something other than white!

But whether someone is an indigenous citizen or is indeed an immigrant, honestly it shouldn’t matter what they say or do - if they pay their taxes, are respectful towards other people whether they agree or disagree, and as long as they generally maintain the peace and obey the law.

Self-criticism and reflection can be healthy, even necessary if it helps that society to improve. It also gets forgotten that some of the most critical and vocal citizens are sometimes simultaneously the most loyal, proud and patriotic people of all - they simply hold their country to the highest of standards, and demand that it acts as a positive global leader at all times. They will equally credit the country’s successes, and lament its failures. Michael Moore arguably fits this profile.

But not everyone is a patriot. As an indigenous citizen and a patriot, do I occasionally find it quite odd (and borderline offensive) when someone of a first-generation immigrant background regularly insults their adoptive country with such relentless despair and vitriol that you half wonder why they choose to keep sticking around? I’ll admit this - yes! Yasmin Alibhai-Brown is a good example of a person who riles me up in this manner. But you know what? I would defend to the death her civil right to say these things. And this is ultimately her country too, her home. (Whether she actually likes it is her business!)

There are many advantages to living in western countries - good healthcare, sanitation, education, security, strong public services, job opportunities - but possibly the best feature of all is the democratic rule of law, which typically includes the right to a relatively relaxed (though not limitless) “freedom of speech”.

Of course, freedom of speech like everything else can be abused. For example if someone is being discriminatory, slanderous, inciting hatred or calling for violence, that is a completely different matter - but the freedom to critique, criticise and hold to account is absolutely separate from this, and it must continue to be a protected right - no matter who is saying it!

 

[sjahmed23]

Someone who is seen both sides will always appreciate what the western country has to offer. There is no question about it. In Pakistan you can be shot dead and your family would be too afraid to even go to police because if you don't belong to an influential family you are a nobody. In the west atleast you are garunteed some basic rights.

 

[dildilpak]

I was born in America, so this situation is not applicable exactly to me but what i find here amusing & equally curious is the assumption that every Muslim immigrant has to be concerned with everything thats happening to Muslims around the world. For e.g. why should an average Pakistani immigrant living a comfortable life in the west be necessarily concerned about Rohingya or an Iraqi Muslim? And why would you expect him to go against the people & country he knows & lives in (the western country) for the people he probably has never interacted with in his life & has nothing in common with except religion? Most people are naturally concerned only about their own life & don’t bother themselves about geo-political upheavals.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It really depends on the attitude of the immigrants and their mentality. I've seen members of my family who come from Pakistan and they already think the sun shines out of their rear end, and they are doing the country a favour by being here. On the other hand I've seen others who are almost sickeningly ingratiating in their attempts to fit in.

I think there is a different culture ingrained in people from different parts of the subcontinent.

 

[Saj]

I feel you have to strike a balance. Respect both cultures, respect both ways of living and both countries.

I recall a relative saying to me "I hate the British and this country".

My reply "what are you doing living in London then, leave".

20 years later he's still in the UK.

 

[Romali_rotti]

I feel you have to strike a balance. Respect both cultures, respect both ways of living and both countries.

I recall a relative saying to me "I hate the British and this country".

My reply "what are you doing living in London then, leave".

20 years later he's still in the UK.

lol, So typical of some of these Asian Migrants. They come here wanting 1st world country life but want to show their patriotism by talking dirt about the west but but they wont go back to their 3rd world.... Its so pathetic, some of these Asians are a messed up breed....

 

[finalfantasy7]

its true that many Asians say nasty comments about western countries/values/culture. and never fit in.

But yet no one ever mentions the reverse,western people also never show any loyalty to the country they stay in

 

[Danyaalr01]

We don't have to in New Zealand cause we have a lower percentage of crazy people who want to shoot us. Immigrants here aren't critical of NZ cause there isn't much to be critical about (apart from expensive homes), but we are very critical of the USA, infact everyone here is. Immigrants here don't usually overcriticise their homelands either.

 

[PakLFC]

Criticising the country you live in does not mean hating it. Most people who criticise western policy are white but their loyalty is never questioned so why should Asians need to prove anything?. This is like an Indian Muslim having to prove their loyalty just coz they are fans of certain Pak celebrities or cricketers but when an Indian Hindu does the same not a word is said. What Asian's need to do is simply follow, honour and respect the law of the country they live in.

 

[KingKhanWC]

lol, So typical of some of these Asian Migrants. They come here wanting 1st world country life but want to show their patriotism by talking dirt about the west but but they wont go back to their 3rd world.... Its so pathetic, some of these Asians are a messed up breed....

I think the problem is with people who feel because they are brown living in the west , they must lick the boots of the government and act like the natives. This is insecurity and a real lack of understanding of many nations in the west.

I.e Those in India protesting against the recent new law, are not anti-Indian but pro-Indian. They do not want their nation turned into a Hindutva extremist hellhole. This is not talking dirt and in the same way anyone opposing the governments policies are not talking dirt but the real loyal citizens who want the nation to be at it's best.

Too many immigrants esp those who are fresh just go along with any policy due to a feeling of showing loyalty. It's not just immigrants or ethnic minorities, some 'natives' to the same.

OF course those plotting treason or having treasonous views are a disgrace.

Btw how did the immigrants into Australia treat the natives and culture present. Would you call them pathetic and a disgrace since they came but instead of throwing dirt, buried people in the dirt? Or is that fine?

 

[minamino]

So if a person is loyal to his new country, how is it bad? It's still better than claiming to know the whole country without living there and based on half cooked facts.

 

[IAJ]

My concern starts when people who are unemployed and get alot of benefits, when they start critisizing the country and call the gov all the bad names, but they still will do everything to hold on to benefits. This is really strange.

 

[dildilpak]

I think the problem is with people who feel because they are brown living in the west , they must lick the boots of the government and act like the natives. This is insecurity and a real lack of understanding of many nations in the west.

I.e Those in India protesting against the recent new law, are not anti-Indian but pro-Indian. They do not want their nation turned into a Hindutva extremist hellhole. This is not talking dirt and in the same way anyone opposing the governments policies are not talking dirt but the real loyal citizens who want the nation to be at it's best.

Too many immigrants esp those who are fresh just go along with any policy due to a feeling of showing loyalty. It's not just immigrants or ethnic minorities, some 'natives' to the same.

OF course those plotting treason or having treasonous views are a disgrace.

Btw how did the immigrants into Australia treat the natives and culture present. Would you call them pathetic and a disgrace since they came but instead of throwing dirt, buried people in the dirt? Or is that fine?

I can see the other side of the coin - if you are settling down in another country, why would you try to impose your own Eastern sensibilities on them? For eg, if Muslims have a problem with Israel, why do some try to influence the American policies on Israel? What makes one think that their own thinking/values/beliefs are right & should be imposed on the majority of the population?

Respecting the customs, traditions, opinions of another country doesn’t make you a boot-licker, it is just accepting the differences between your own belief system & your adoptive country & trying to assimilate in that environment. And if you can’t assimilate, you always have the option to settle down where your own values are in the majority.

 

[Robert]

Anti western state terrorism. You have not met any Australians who are wondering why Aussie troops are in Iraq?

The Australian troops had all left Iraq by 2010. They were part of the ‘coalition of the willing’ of 37 countries. Only US forces are still there in any strength.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

My concern starts when people who are unemployed and get alot of benefits, when they start critisizing the country and call the gov all the bad names, but they still will do everything to hold on to benefits. This is really strange.

Agree, but that applies to all citizens of a country, not just those who have come as immigrants, and presumably become naturalised. White locals criticising their govt while happily living on benefits is equally ungrateful in my book. No one owes you a living.

 

[Gilly]

The Australian troops had all left Iraq by 2010. They were part of the ‘coalition of the willing’ of 37 countries. Only US forces are still there in any strength.

Wasting your time Rob, he will just start going on about the british coming here 250 years ago.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I can see the other side of the coin - if you are settling down in another country, why would you try to impose your own Eastern sensibilities on them? For eg, if Muslims have a problem with Israel, why do some try to influence the American policies on Israel? What makes one think that their own thinking/values/beliefs are right & should be imposed on the majority of the population?

Respecting the customs, traditions, opinions of another country doesn’t make you a boot-licker, it is just accepting the differences between your own belief system & your adoptive country & trying to assimilate in that environment. And if you can’t assimilate, you always have the option to settle down where your own values are in the majority.

What do you mean by "imposing eastern sensibilites" on your host country? Can you give any examples so I can understand where you are coming from?

 

[Romali_rotti]

I think the problem is with people who feel because they are brown living in the west , they must lick the boots of the government and act like the natives. This is insecurity and a real lack of understanding of many nations in the west.


I.e Those in India protesting against the recent new law, are not anti-Indian but pro-Indian. They do not want their nation turned into a Hindutva extremist hellhole. This is not talking dirt and in the same way anyone opposing the governments policies are not talking dirt but the real loyal citizens who want the nation to be at it's best.

Too many immigrants esp those who are fresh just go along with any policy due to a feeling of showing loyalty. It's not just immigrants or ethnic minorities, some 'natives' to the same.

OF course those plotting treason or having treasonous views are a disgrace.

Btw how did the immigrants into Australia treat the natives and culture present. Would you call them pathetic and a disgrace since they came but instead of throwing dirt, buried people in the dirt? Or is that fine?

You have managed to confuse the daylights out of me with this post, you talking colonization, Hindutva, and whatever else.. Lets stick to the topic here, no one is forcing these Asians to come to the west to settle here, they come here by choice and if they want to live and enjoy all the benefits here, maybe they need to show a little more gratitude, I am talking about the ones that come here and bad mouth the western country of their stay..

 

[dildilpak]

What do you mean by "imposing eastern sensibilites" on your host country? Can you give any examples so I can understand where you are coming from?

Gave one right above- opposing friendly ties with Israel. Others could be opposing homosexuality, opposing sex education in schools, opposing military action against any Muslim country (warranted or unwarranted), free immigration policy etc, etc.

The point is not to denigrate anybody’s opinion including every immigrant’s - they are entitled to have their own. i have a problem though when immigrants start putting down the views of the majority & visibly lobby for their own opinion (case in point - Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib). Criticizing the country on almost everything, while availing the benefits it provides is not done.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Gave one right above- opposing friendly ties with Israel. Others could be opposing homosexuality, opposing sex education in schools, opposing military action against any Muslim country (warranted or unwarranted), free immigration policy etc, etc.

The point is not to denigrate anybody’s opinion including every immigrant’s - they are entitled to have their own. i have a problem though when immigrants start putting down the views of the majority & visibly lobby for their own opinion (case in point - Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib). Criticizing the country on almost everything, while availing the benefits it provides is not done.

But that isn't imposing their views on anyone, it's just having a right to express their opinion, same as everyone else. In the example you gave, Jews themselves have done the same thing, in fact you could argue that by use of the media, they have done it at a far more profound level.

Not really sure where you are coming from. Immigrants have limited rights anyway when they are still considered foreigners, but when they get a certificate of naturalisation they would have the same rights as anyone else, regardless of whether they are now entitiled to the same benefits as homegrown citizens.

Are you suggesting that they should always see themselves as second class citizens permanently?

 

[dildilpak]

But that isn't imposing their views on anyone, it's just having a right to express their opinion, same as everyone else. In the example you gave, Jews themselves have done the same thing, in fact you could argue that by use of the media, they have done it at a far more profound level.

Not really sure where you are coming from. Immigrants have limited rights anyway when they are still considered foreigners, but when they get a certificate of naturalisation they would have the same rights as anyone else, regardless of whether they are now entitiled to the same benefits as homegrown citizens.

Are you suggesting that they should always see themselves as second class citizens permanently?

Inmigration & naturalized citizenship is not a God given right, it is driven by law & could be taken away too, as we have seen in the case of the people who joined ISIS (an extreme example, but nonetheless). All i am saying that if you wilfully gain citizenship of a country you should be bound to have allegiance to the country. Since this thread emanated from the other one regarding joining an anti-islamic military, i would question people gaining citizenship for monetary benefits, but still having allegiance to other countries/causes.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Inmigration & naturalized citizenship is not a God given right, it is driven by law & could be taken away too, as we have seen in the case of the people who joined ISIS (an extreme example, but nonetheless). All i am saying that if you wilfully gain citizenship of a country you should be bound to have allegiance to the country. Since this thread emanated from the other one regarding joining an anti-islamic military, i would question people gaining citizenship for monetary benefits, but still having allegiance to other countries/causes.

I didn't realise you were talking about ISIS recruits, I thought you were talking about immigrants in general. For that matter I would deport white local born Nazi sympathisers who threatened or harmed British subjects, especially if they are taking state benefits. If these people are a threat to our society, then they need to be reined in regardless of whether they are immigrants.

 

[OffDrive]

I have met many Indians in Australia who criticise Australia, yet they come from one of the most disgusting countries on Earth.

These Indians are earning 50x more than they would in ****** India.

Australia has given them everything but they keep criticising Australia and praising India, go back to India if you guys don't like it here.

Australia has problems but at least we know how to keep our country clean.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I can see the other side of the coin - if you are settling down in another country, why would you try to impose your own Eastern sensibilities on them? For eg, if Muslims have a problem with Israel, why do some try to influence the American policies on Israel? What makes one think that their own thinking/values/beliefs are right & should be imposed on the majority of the population?

Respecting the customs, traditions, opinions of another country doesn’t make you a boot-licker, it is just accepting the differences between your own belief system & your adoptive country & trying to assimilate in that environment. And if you can’t assimilate, you always have the option to settle down where your own values are in the majority.

Im talking about policies not culture.

Anyone who has a vote, white ,black or brown has the right to openly criticise any government or national policy.

I.e Some immigrants may feel they cant criticise foreign policy because they have an accent and may come across as anti-national, but they are free to do so.

The Australian troops had all left Iraq by 2010. They were part of the ‘coalition of the willing’ of 37 countries. Only US forces are still there in any strength.

LOL Sure which is why Linda Reynolds stated all Aussie troops were safe after the Iranian rocket attacks.

Wasting your time Rob, he will just start going on about the british coming here 250 years ago.

Please send your defence minister an email, she will enlighten you. 300+ Aussie troops still occupying another persons land. What has any Iraqi done to you or Australia?

You have managed to confuse the daylights out of me with this post, you talking colonization, Hindutva, and whatever else.. Lets stick to the topic here, no one is forcing these Asians to come to the west to settle here, they come here by choice and if they want to live and enjoy all the benefits here, maybe they need to show a little more gratitude, I am talking about the ones that come here and bad mouth the western country of their stay..

Not culture but government policies. Bad mouthing any policy is a right of any citizen, just the same as the right to vote. This is true love for ones nation.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I have met many Indians in Australia who criticise Australia, yet they come from one of the most disgusting countries on Earth.These Indians are earning 50x more than they would in ****** India.

Australia has given them everything but they keep criticising Australia and praising India, go back to India if you guys don't like it here.

Australia has problems but at least we know how to keep our country clean.

Government policies or Aussie culture?

 

[Gilly]

Please send your defence minister an email, she will enlighten you. 300+ Aussie troops still occupying another persons land. What has any Iraqi done to you or Australia?

.

Why would I do that, the Iraqi government invited them to be there and if the Iraqi government approved them to be there what business is that of yours. Maybe you should send a email to the Pakistan government and ask them to stop allowing terrorist organizations from setting up training camps in Pakistan which would go a long way in stopping all this violence in the middle east.

 

[OffDrive]

Government policies or Aussie culture?

Everything, Indians are disgusting.

 

[humzy]

I have met many Indians in Australia who criticise Australia, yet they come from one of the most disgusting countries on Earth.

These Indians are earning 50x more than they would in ****** India.

Australia has given them everything but they keep criticising Australia and praising India, go back to India if you guys don't like it here.

Australia has problems but at least we know how to keep our country clean.

This is correct, our immigrants generally criticise Australia more than the country they escaped. This includes Indians, Iraqis, Pakistanis, Lebanese etc.

There are however certain immigrants that are more critical of their own country. A few examples I've noticed is Sri Lankans, Mauritians and Iranians.

 

[OffDrive]

This is correct, our immigrants generally criticise Australia more than the country they escaped. This includes Indians, Iraqis, Pakistanis, Lebanese etc.

There are however certain immigrants that are more critical of their own country. A few examples I've noticed is Sri Lankans, Mauritians and Iranians.

Yep, that is very true, as far as I am concerned these disgusting people should go back to their own wonderful countries.

 

[Mamoon]

Complete generalisation and utter nonsense.


If it weren't for immigrants the UK and Europe wouldve been in a crisis for a long time after world war 2. White people didnt want to take the lower quality jobs so they went to the immigrants which did the job.

Your misplaced sense of entitlement shows why xenophobia exists. You need to more grateful and appreciative of the welcoming nature of the European states.

Immigration is not a right. It is a privilege. No country has or will collapse because of anti-immigration policies.

If unskilled, menial working immigrants wouldn’t have been accommodated, the local people would eventually have filled those jobs. That is how employment works.

The reason why the locals were unwilling to do the menial jobs was because their governments were open to hosting immigrants who showed up on their shores with empty hands.

These immigrants couldn’t make ends meet in their own countries and immigrated in the hope that the foreign country will give them an opportunity to improve their lives.

Unfortunately, a lot of immigrants develop a false sense of entitlement and believe that they had the right to be where they are and that the host country owes them.

It is actually the other way around - immigrants had no right to be where they are, and the host country owes them nothing. On the contrary, the immigrants owe the host country loyalty and respect for giving them the opportunity to better their families’ lives as well as their future generations.

If an immigrant has no regard for being accommodated in a foreign country and criticizes its policies more than that of the country that he ran from, it simply reflects his lack of morals.

We live in a world where every state is expected to give first-class rights to anyone who shows up on their borders. This is true for the laborers working in the Middle-East as well.

While self-righteous human rights activists criticize them for exploiting the workers, making them work long hours, confiscating their passports and giving them poor accommodation, what these activists don’t recognize is the fact that these laborers are still living in heaven compared to their situation in their home countries.

Countries that adopt anti-immigration policies should be discouraged. At a human level, you are morally obliged to welcome anyone who shows up on your door for help. However, there is a difference between moral and legal obligation.

We must not let morality *******ize the fact that immigration is not a right. It is a privilege and a favor granted by the host country, and thus, immigrations ought to be more thankful and grateful than they are.

 

[Pakistanian]

Your misplaced sense of entitlement shows why xenophobia exists. You need to more grateful and appreciative of the welcoming nature of the European states.

Immigration is not a right. It is a privilege. No country has or will collapse because of anti-immigration policies.

If unskilled, menial working immigrants wouldn’t have been accommodated, the local people would eventually have filled those jobs. That is how employment works.

The reason why the locals were unwilling to do the menial jobs was because their governments were open to hosting immigrants who showed up on their shores with empty hands.

These immigrants couldn’t make ends meet in their own countries and immigrated in the hope that the foreign country will give them an opportunity to improve their lives.

Unfortunately, a lot of immigrants develop a false sense of entitlement and believe that they had the right to be where they are and that the host country owes them.

It is actually the other way around - immigrants had no right to be where they are, and the host country owes them nothing. On the contrary, the immigrants owe the host country loyalty and respect for giving them the opportunity to better their families’ lives as well as their future generations.

If an immigrant has no regard for being accommodated in a foreign country and criticizes its policies more than that of the country that he ran from, it simply reflects his lack of morals.

We live in a world where every state is expected to give first-class rights to anyone who shows up on their borders. This is true for the laborers working in the Middle-East as well.

While self-righteous human rights activists criticize them for exploiting the workers, making them work long hours, confiscating their passports and giving them poor accommodation, what these activists don’t recognize is the fact that these laborers are still living in heaven compared to their situation in their home countries.

Countries that adopt anti-immigration policies should be discouraged. At a human level, you are morally obliged to welcome anyone who shows up on your door for help. However, there is a difference between moral and legal obligation.

We must not let morality *******ize the fact that immigration is not a right. It is a privilege and a favor granted by the host country, and thus, immigrations ought to be more thankful and grateful than they are.

Are you grateful to the native Hindkowans for accepting you and your ethnicity into their lands? They've been reduced to a minority.

 

[Pakistanian]

This is correct, our immigrants generally criticise Australia more than the country they escaped. This includes Indians, Iraqis, Pakistanis, Lebanese etc.

There are however certain immigrants that are more critical of their own country. A few examples I've noticed is Sri Lankans, Mauritians and Iranians.

Well if those "Sri Lankans" were actually Tamil refugees then you know why lol.

 

[Mamoon]

Are you grateful to the native Hindkowans for accepting you and your ethnicity into their lands? They've been reduced to a minority.

I was talking in the context of nation-state system and the recognition of national boundaries.

Nevertheless, you should pose that question to my paternal ancestors. I am half Khilji (paternal side) and half Peshawari (Hindkowan) from my maternal side.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Why would I do that, the Iraqi government invited them to be there and if the Iraqi government approved them to be there what business is that of yours. Maybe you should send a email to the Pakistan government and ask them to stop allowing terrorist organizations from setting up training camps in Pakistan which would go a long way in stopping all this violence in the middle east.

lol.

1. Saddam didn't invite them either in the 90's or in 2003.
2. The Iraqi government has voted to remove all invading forces from it's lands.

Yet they are still there?

In your opinion if an immigrant to Australia criticised Australia for it's state terrorist actions, would you say they are disloyal esp if they are Asian?

 

[JaDed]

I have met many Indians in Australia who criticise Australia, yet they come from one of the most disgusting countries on Earth.

These Indians are earning 50x more than they would in ****** India.

Australia has given them everything but they keep criticising Australia and praising India, go back to India if you guys don't like it here.

Australia has problems but at least we know how to keep our country clean.

? Lol the frustration is real..

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Are you grateful to the native Hindkowans for accepting you and your ethnicity into their lands? They've been reduced to a minority.

Interesting perspective. I remember Mamoon proclaiming that even homegrown Asians were doomed to be second class citizens in western countries. Although I disagreed at the time, I wonder if he feels the same with regards to his own place of residence?

 

[Gilly]

In your opinion if an immigrant to Australia criticised Australia for it's state terrorist actions, would you say they are disloyal esp if they are Asian?

Then that immigrant is dishonest, if you believe Australia is a state terrorist then you have lied and deceived the government when applying for a visa and therefore should have your visa/citizenship revoked.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Then that immigrant is dishonest, if you believe Australia is a state terrorist then you have lied and deceived the government when applying for a visa and therefore should have your visa/citizenship revoked.

What if the immigrant was already in Australia?

The immoral illegal and terrorist invasion of Iraq should be criticised by all national inc immigrants. There is no shame in pointing out your government has part of one of histories biggest mass murders. You haven't a clue of the Iraq war as you thought your troops were invited in.

 

[humzy]

What if the immigrant was already in Australia?

The immoral illegal and terrorist invasion of Iraq should be criticised by all national inc immigrants. There is no shame in pointing out your government has part of one of histories biggest mass murders. You haven't a clue of the Iraq war as you thought your troops were invited in.

This is a non issue, everyone with a brain criticises the Iraq invasion.

 

[humzy]

? Lol the frustration is real..

I for one am frustrated, I had to move gyms because there were so many Indians in my previous one, the gym smelt like odour and they would leave the toilets atrocious.

 

[KingKhanWC]

This is a non issue, everyone with a brain criticises the Iraq invasion.

I'll take you word for it but as you can see Gilly who is an Aussie doesn't.

 

[humzy]

I'll take you word for it but as you can see Gilly who is an Aussie doesn't.

I have a feeling age plays are part if he has that opinion.

 

[Bigboii]

Immigrants have to be grateful and loyal. They had no right to be in the country in the first place.

Wth are you talking we are not thier slaves who have to pray to our masters hey thanks for letting us stay in a country where we provide taxes, services and invest which helps the country grow and than the "masters" say no big deal

Legal immigrants are needed that's why they are granted visas and than citizenship not because the "masters" were feeling good so they issued visas. Most western countries cannot function without immigration just look at Japan they don't allow immigration thier economy is dieing off from the second biggest economy to most of the adult population reaching retirement age you suffer because of no immigration.

 

[Bigboii]

I do feel loyal towards US I love it and am training to become a navy officer after graduation but I think it's not more than any other American it's the same as anyone else and I don't feel obligated to show my loyalty but I don't dislike Pakistan it will always stay home no matter what so it's balanced I love both countries equally and that's why I criticize both of em.