At which venues can New Zealand beat India in Tests over a series of 3-5 matches?

[KP From India]

1. Ind
2. Nz.
3. Eng
4. Sa
5. Aus
6. Wi.
7. Sl.
8. UAE.
9. Ban
10. Zim

 

[street cricketer]

NZ & Eng.

Possibly SA too, but that would be more even.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Full strength NZ team can beat India in NZ, Eng, SA, Aus, WI, UAE, Zim and Ireland.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Nz and Eng.
That's it, Period

In Asia,Aus we will whitewash them if we play our full strength team

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

NZ & Eng.

Possibly SA too, but that would be more even.

Nah, they can't beat us on bouncy wickets.
SouthAfrican conditions are tailor made for our pace battery.

 

[street cricketer]

Nah, they can't beat us on bouncy wickets.
SouthAfrican conditions are tailor made for our pace battery.

Yes we would have the upper hand, but I'm terrified of Kyle Jamieson on the Saffa wickets with their tennis ball bounce

 

[KP From India]

Which was the last comprehensive victory of Nz in Aus?
If iirc, they beat transisting Aus in 2011 by a huge margin of 7 runs.

 

[Mesozoic]

Nowhere out of New Zealand.

They can beat us in one-off games in countries like England, South Africa, Australia, WI etc but in a longer series at multiple venues? A big no.

 

[Mesozoic]

Full strength NZ team can beat India in NZ, Eng, SA, Aus, WI, UAE, Zim and Ireland.

Lol..should have said India too while you're at it

 

[Buffet]

1. Ind
2. Nz.
3. Eng
4. Sa
5. Aus
6. Wi.
7. Sl.
8. UAE.
9. Ban
10. Zim

I know the current team is not a reflection of previous teams, but normally you get venues where certain teams find it easier. For example, Pakistan can play well in Eng but has a nightmare in Aus. India normally struggles in swinging conditions of NZ and Eng. Yes, they did well in the last tour but talking about the general trends here.

In the last two decades, NZ has won grand total of 1 test in Aus+Ind+SA out of 39 tests. As I was making the point earlier about playing conditions not being good for certain teams. NZ played in Aus in as recently as 2019 with 0-3 scoreline.

Having a better team did not really help them much. Maybe they can win in SA with currently SA having a poor team, but bouncy pitches are not a place where NZ does well. Spinning tracks in Asia, NZ will get beaten easily. The gap is simply too much for NZ to overcome. In WI, India has 3.5 W/L compared to NZ having 1. I will expect India to do well in WI as well.


Pretty much, Eng and NZ are two venues where I will give NZ a chance to beat India. NZ will have a series in bag in NZ for sure. India is simply not good enough to win against NZ in NZ. In Eng, it will be interesting with 4-5 tests in a series. Not those 2 tests.

In short,

NZ will win in NZ and maybe in Eng.

 

[Aman]

Given how mediocre a batting line up of Kohli, Pujara and Rahane is these days, a lot more countries than you think.

Aus beating us in Aus is one thing, India another. With them it's more mental and our players not coping with their extra pace and bounce. India doesn't have that nor do they have a batsmen of the ilk of Warner and Smith.

 

[street cricketer]

Given how mediocre a batting line up of Kohli, Pujara and Rahane is these days, a lot more countries than you think.

Aus beating us in Aus is one thing, India another. With them it's more mental and our players not coping with their extra pace and bounce. India doesn't have that nor do they have a batsmen of the ilk of Warner and Smith.

NZ attack simply doesn't have the pace to trouble Indian batsmen on the flat and true wickets of Australia. Jamieson will be a test though.

 

[KP From India]

Intresting to see the battle in Sa or Wi where both sides more or less suited/non suited for the conditions.

 

[Ab Fan]

In ICC tournaments, everywhere.

In non ICC tournaments, only in New Zealand.

 

[KP From India]

If we can somehow manage Jamieson, I think we should be able to put decent totals in Aus.
Nz would have to deal with Bumrah/Shami/Siraj/Umesh (with economical support of Ash who chips up with wickets every now and then) on bouncy tracks would be a bigger test.

 

[Aman]

NZ attack simply doesn't have the pace to trouble Indian batsmen on the flat and true wickets of Australia. Jamieson will be a test though.

You're acting as if Pujara, Kohli and Rahane are still class.

Don't they average like a total of 60 between them for the last 2 years?

I'm confident of our batting line up with Young and Conway in the team and the addition of Jamieson as the third pacer.

Without those 3 I would have agreed. It probably would have been NZ and England.

I know it's early days but most probably are already thinking it but arguably, Conway is our best batsmen (eye test). Kane has his problems scoring consistently away from home while Conway looks more assured and has his batting sorted out. He's in that Smith zone where he's mastered the art of batting and scoring runs wherever and in whichever format for any team.

 

[Varun]

1. Anywhere in New Zealand.

2. England if there is a 6th day scheduled.

 

[sweep_shot]

New Zealand can beat India in any SENA country.

They should lose everywhere else.

 

[Buffet]

Given how mediocre a batting line up of Kohli, ....

Yes, Indians batting is not even close to a strong batting lineup in the early 00s, but it's all relative.



Last 5 years, the Batting Avg of all teams when playing away

Ind - 30
Eng - 28
Pak - 28
Aus - 27
SL - 27
BD - 26
NZ - 25



Last 5 years, the Bowling Avg of all teams when playing away

Ind - 26
Aus - 29
SA - 32
Pak - 33
NZ - 33

NZ bowling has averaged 33 while batting has averaged 25 when playing away. You don't win many by giving more runs per wicket and scoring fewer runs per wicket.

NZ can win in other venues. It is cricket and anything can happen. But chances will be slim based on actual performance. There should be some basis to make predictions.

 

[Aman]

Yes, Indians batting is nowhere close to a strong batting lineup in the early 00s, but it's all relative.

You are going to win by scoring more runs per wicket and taking wickets at lower averages.

Last 5 years, the Batting Avg of all teams when playing away

Ind - 30
Eng - 28
Pak - 28
Aus - 27
SL - 27
BD - 26
NZ - 25



Last 5 years, the Bowling Avg of all teams when playing away

Ind - 26
Aus - 29
SA - 32
Pak - 33
NZ - 33

NZ bowling has averaged 33 while batting has averaged 25 when playing away. You don't win many by giving more runs per wicket and scoring fewer runs per wicket.

NZ can win in other venues. It is cricket and anything can happen. But chances will be slim based on actual performance. There should be some basis to make predictions.

This is where you're going wrong.

India of 5 or 3 years ago isn't the same, nor are we the same.

Kohli, Pujara and Rahane are all past it or are close to it. While we have promising players in Conway, Young and Jamieson who have strengthened us.

 

[Walawalkar]

New Zealand
In England it will be a tight contest
Apart from this India will roll over New Zealand in every other venue..

 

[Walawalkar]

This is where you're going wrong.

India of 5 or 3 years ago isn't the same, nor are we the same.

Kohli, Pujara and Rahane are all past it or are close to it. While we have promising players in Conway, Young and Jamieson who have strengthened us.

And what you think there is no good batsman to replace Rahane and Pujara..India have Mayank, Gill, Iyer, Rahul, Shaw and many more..Pujara and Rahane done and dusted..and out of form kohli is better than every New Zealand batsman barring Kane Williamson

 

[Aman]

And what you think there is no good batsman to replace Rahane and Pujara..India have Mayank, Gill, Iyer, Rahul, Shaw and many more..Pujara and Rahane done and dusted..and out of form kohli is better than every New Zealand batsman barring Kane Williamson

Gill isn't ready and hasn't looked too flash if we're being honest, Iyer looks good to replace Rahane but need to see him outside India also. I can't remember Rahul doing too much, Shaw has looked like a technical disaster whenever I've seen him and has been picked offf by good bowlers.

The problem is I can't see you pushing Pujara or Kohli out soon. This is where teams can take advantage.

 

[Aman]

[MENTION=151951]Walawalkar[/MENTION] is it true Kohli averages 20 since January 1st 2020?

In that form he isn't better than any of our batsmen.

 

[Walawalkar]

Gill isn't ready and hasn't looked too flash if we're being honest, Iyer looks good to replace Rahane but need to see him outside India also. I can't remember Rahul doing too much, Shaw has looked like a technical disaster whenever I've seen him and has been picked offf by good bowlers.

The problem is I can't see you pushing Pujara or Kohli out soon. This is where teams can take advantage.

Rahane will be gone soon
Can't say about Pujara
And your comment about Kohli is enough to get you a title of certified troller

 

[Ab Fan]

What are the last three year record of Kohli, Pujara, Rahane, Rohit, Jadeja and Pant?

 

[Buffet]

This is where you're going wrong.

India of 5 or 3 years ago isn't the same, nor are we the same.

Kohli, Pujara and Rahane are all past it or are close to it. While we have promising players in Conway, Young and Jamieson who have strengthened us.

Kohli was not the top 3 run-getter in Eng - Others scored. The top scorer was Sharma.
Kohli did not even play series in Aus. - Other scored. The top scorer was Pant.


Sure, Indians can face problems when a change of guard takes place, but I see no basis in claim that NZ will really do well. If and when NZ starts appearing among the top in batting/bowling when playing away then there will be a basis, otherwise pointing out the weakness in India is not enough.


I am not saying that NZ can't do well, but we don't make high probability predictions based on our eye for talent or our wish. There have to be actual results backing up to make high probability predictions.


If and when NZ has the actual performance to make such calls, we will have a basis to make those predictions.

 

[Mesozoic]

Kohli, Pujara and Rahane are all past it or are close to it. While we have promising players in Conway, Young and Jamieson who have strengthened us.

Funny how you are looking at only the negatives when it comes to India while ignoring the emergence of Rohit and Rahul as openers , Jadeja and Thakur strengthening our lower order, arrival of Siraj, Ashwin rediscovering himself in SENA, world class bench strength etc etc and only positives for NZ while ignoring the decline of Taylor, non-existent spin attack, drop off from Watling to Blundell, Boult losing his touch etc etc

But fair enough. These hypothetical threads usually allow such mental gymnasium.

 

[Aman]

Rahane will be gone soon
Can't say about Pujara
And your comment about Kohli is enough to get you a title of certified troller

Kohli hasn't scored a century in any format in over 2 years. The guy has clearly declined and lost that drive and is no longer the batsmen he use to be 3-4 years ago. It would be dishonest to deny this.

 

[Aman]

Kohli was not the top 3 run-getter in Eng - Others scored. The top scorer was Sharma.
Kohli did not even play series in Aus. - Other scored. The top scorer was Pant.


Sure, Indians can face problems when a change of guard takes place, but I see no basis in claim that NZ will really do well. If and when NZ starts appearing among the top in batting/bowling when playing away then there will be a basis, otherwise pointing out the weakness in India is not enough.


I am not saying that NZ can't do well, but we don't make high probability predictions based on our eye for talent or our wish. There have to be actual results backing up to make high probability predictions.


If and when NZ has the actual performance to make such calls, we will have a basis to make those predictions.

You're using data from 5 years ago when these Indian players were in their primes.

This India team is in the middle of a big transition and it will be difficult for them to move these players on without big defeats which are most likely coming as long as they continue to keep that underperforming middle order.

 

[Aman]

Funny how you are looking at only the negatives when it comes to India while ignoring the emergence of Rohit and Rahul as openers , Jadeja and Thakur strengthening our lower order, arrival of Siraj, Ashwin rediscovering himself in SENA, world class bench strength etc etc and only positives for NZ while ignoring the decline of Taylor, non-existent spin attack, drop off from Watling to Blundell, Boult losing his touch etc etc

But fair enough. These hypothetical threads usually allow such mental gymnasium.

I didn't ignore Taylor, he probably retires this summer and Young slots in at 4 and Conway opens with Latham.

 

[Walawalkar]

[MENTION=151951]Walawalkar[/MENTION] is it true Kohli averages 20 since January 1st 2020?

In that form he isn't better than any of our batsmen.

Keep bursting crackers looking at his numbers when he is going through worst phase as batsman..

Even today if you Ask any cricket expert to choose best test XI out of New Zealand and India no one gonna choose your young, conway, Taylor, nichollas,Latham over kohli in playing XI

 

[Buffet]

What are the last three year record of Kohli, Pujara, Rahane, Rohit, Jadeja and Pant?

How does it even matter? It is not logical to point out weakness in Indian batting to predict NZ will do well against India. NZ collective batting has to be better than India. I think in bowling, the gap is actually bigger. NZ bowlers are suitable in certain conditions.

 

[Aman]

Keep bursting crackers looking at his numbers when he is going through worst phase as batsman..

Even today if you Ask any cricket expert to choose best test XI out of New Zealand and India no one gonna choose your young, conway, Taylor, nichollas,Latham over kohli in playing XI

Kohli shouldn't be making the Indian team on present form.

Stop taking it personally, Kohli in this form isn't making most teams. This isn't about what you did 3-4 years ago, it's about what you can do now.

 

[Aman]

How does it even matter? It is not logical to point out weakness in Indian batting to predict NZ will do well against India. NZ collective batting has to be better than India. I think in bowling, the gap is actually bigger. NZ bowlers are suitable in certain conditions.

And this is where players like Jamieson and Ajaz have helped. Southee and Boult were lacking a third enforcer who xould add an extra dimension and we have a decent spin bowling option in Ajaz now

 

[Walawalkar]

Kohli hasn't scored a century in any format in over 2 years. The guy has clearly declined and lost that drive and is no longer the batsmen he use to be 3-4 years ago. It would be dishonest to deny this.

There is big difference between out of form and declined as batsman...You sound too desperate to hang his shoes...The guy scored 71 before your filter period start

 

[Buffet]

You're using data from 5 years ago when these Indian players were in their primes.

This India team is in the middle of a big transition and it will be difficult for them to move these players on without big defeats which are most likely coming as long as they continue to keep that underperforming middle order.

And that transition makes it likely that NZ will perform better than India?

You need to have some basis. Not those talent talk or just 1-2 innings. Collectively, NZ has to play well for some period on different surfaces, otherwise what's the basis for making that call?

Indian batting may not be the strongest in their history and they may even be in transition, but simply claiming that NZ will be stronger than India looks like a random claim to me. NZ has not done anything to warrant making such a claim.

 

[Aman]

And that transition makes it likely that NZ will perform better than India?

You need to have some basis. Not those talent talk or just 1-2 innings. Collectively, NZ has to play well for some period on different surfaces, otherwise what's the basis for making that call?

Indian batting may not be the strongest in their history and they may even be in transition, but simply claiming that NZ will be stronger than India looks like a random claim to me. NZ has not done anything to warrant making such a claim.

Given we have covered areas which have been an issue for us. I'd say we'd definitely improve and push if not beat India in countries where people expect them to win.

 

[Ab Fan]

How does it even matter? It is not logical to point out weakness in Indian batting to predict NZ will do well against India. NZ collective batting has to be better than India. I think in bowling, the gap is actually bigger. NZ bowlers are suitable in certain conditions.

The thing is irrespective of the form of the trio of Pujara, Kohli and Rahane, India have won test series in Australia 2020 and were on verge of winning in England 2021. Axar's addition had made them invincibles in home conditions.

However, they need to figure this middle order weakness or else only a matter of time we lose an away series.

 

[Buffet]

And this is where players like Jamieson and Ajaz have helped. Southee and Boult were lacking a third enforcer who xould add an extra dimension and we have a decent spin bowling option in Ajaz now

I do rate Jamieson and Ajaz, but the Indian bowling unit will still run a circle around NZ in most conditions.

Can NZ produce better output than the Indian bowling unit? Ask yourself this question.

How confident you are making that call? Sure, Jamie and Ajaz will help, you need to actually see them producing results in different conditions which are superior to the Indian bowling unit. . The underlined part is the key here.

 

[Walawalkar]

Kohli shouldn't be making the Indian team on present form.

Stop taking it personally, Kohli in this form isn't making most teams. This isn't about what you did 3-4 years ago, it's about what you can do now.

If you start dropping players just based on present form we would never have witnessed second coming of Tendulkar or many other great batsmans..there is reason why Team back players when they are going through bad form..And you think Kohli will end up his cricketing career with this form..Player of Kohli's caliber would have get same backing even if he is playing for Australia, England or New Zealand..

And don't worry I am not taking anything personally just stating some facts..

 

[Buffet]

The thing is irrespective of the form of the trio of Pujara, Kohli and Rahane, India have won test series in Australia 2020 and were on verge of winning in England 2021. Axar's addition had made them invincibles in home conditions.

However, they need to figure this middle order weakness or else only a matter of time we lose an away series.

Lower order has been bailing out India. But that's a different discussion than claiming NZ will do better as a unit.

 

[Aman]

I do rate Jamieson and Ajaz, but the Indian bowling unit will still run a circle around NZ in most conditions.

Can NZ produce better output than the Indian bowling unit? Ask yourself this question.

How confident you are making that call? Sure, Jamie and Ajaz will help, you need to actually see them producing results in different conditions which are superior to the Indian bowling unit. . The underlined part is the key here.

In conditions with seam and swing, I think we have a good chance and series would be 50-50.

Spin conditions, India beat us but we have shown to go alright on slow turners like the first Test and UAE so at best we could lower the margin of series defeat or best case scenario pick up an odd 1-1.

Since this is all hypotheticals, should remember we probably would have warm ups unlike this series where our batsmen have gone in blind.

 

[Aman]

If you start dropping players just based on present form we would never have witnessed second coming of Tendulkar or many other great batsmans..there is reason why Team back players when they are going through bad form..And you think Kohli will end up his cricketing career with this form..Player of Kohli's caliber would have get same backing even if he is playing for Australia, England or New Zealand..

And don't worry I am not taking anything personally just stating some facts..

Whether he regains form or not remains to be seen. On present form there are dozens of cricketers you would pick ahead of him. Probably half a dozen in India alone.

 

[Buffet]

Given we have covered areas which have been an issue for us. I'd say we'd definitely improve and push if not beat India in countries where people expect them to win.

The probability will be definitely higher with these additions, but I will still put it as a lower probability than India winning. I may change my mind based on how teams play in the next 3-4 away series. But I need to actually see results.

 

[Aman]

The probability will be definitely higher with these additions, but I will still put it as a lower probability than India winning. I may change my mind based on how teams play in the next 3-4 away series. But I need to actually see results.

we've done poorly this match but this same team was able to get a result in the first Test. This Test however was a bridge too far and we got a more spinner friendly track which most of our batsmen have probably not played on before. Think this is a first Indian tour a lot of our batsmen.

 

[Mesozoic]

I didn't ignore Taylor, he probably retires this summer and Young slots in at 4 and Conway opens with Latham.

And Pujara and Rahane will "probably" be dropped after this series and Gill and Mayank may slot into the middle order. You do realize two can play this game right?

 

[KP From India]

Add Pant's batting to lower order plus one of Ashwin/Axar/Jadeja are perfectly capable to add 35 runs @ no 7 gives much needed depth for Ind too.
Shardul/Bhuvi can get 25 runs@ no 8 is bonus and all these runs should give bowling lineup of Bumrah/Shami/Siraj/Ashwin something to bowl at.

 

[Ab Fan]

Lower order has been bailing out India. But that's a different discussion than claiming NZ will do better as a unit.

Naah..NZ won't gonna do any good outside NZ in tests. I was mostly talking about India's issues in ICC tournaments.

NZ simply don't have all conditions players, their only expectation is the tall Jamieson to be able to extract bounce on Australian and Saffer pitches. But most of their players have lot of weaknesses. Too early to talk about Conway or Young.

Latham - Good in NZ and subcontinent. struggles vs genuine pace whether it is Rabada, Bumrah, Cummins, Hazelwood, Archer or Siraj. So, a no in Australia or South Africa.

Taylor - struggles vs genuine pace and quality spin. So, a no no in Australia, South Africa or India.

Williamson - Looks the best but yet to show anything significant in India, England and South Africa.

Nicholls, Blundell etc are just home pitches or weak bowling bully.

Boult and Southee are condition specific bowlers too and Boult seems to be off colour in tests for a while now.

Ajaz is the only good spinner they have and he himself is nothing extraordinary. So, all comes down to Jamieson and Kane.

In contrast, India still have Bumrah, Siraj, Shami, Rohit, Rahul and Pant( struggles vs moving ball only) as all conditions player and the likes of Gill, Mayank, Vihari and Shreyas are expected to improve with more experience.

 

[Buffet]

we've done poorly this match but this same team was able to get a result in the first Test. This Test however was a bridge too far and we got a more spinner friendly track which most of our batsmen have probably not played on before. Think this is a first Indian tour a lot of our batsmen.

NZ played well, but NZ was one wicket away from losing the match. It was not other way around. 20 overs were lost due to light.

I know NZ had the upper hand a few times in the match and that's why I said played well, but when all is said and done, NZ was one wicket away from losing this test. I don't see it as validation of NZ producing results. If NZ was close to winning and did not due to bad light then I would have seen as evidence of producing results. Played better than expected, but still just one wicket away from losing the test due to bad light.

 

[Ab Fan]

NZ played well, but NZ was one wicket away from losing the match. It was not other way around. 20 overs were lost due to light.

I know NZ had the upper hand a few times in the match and that's why I said played well, but when all is said and done, NZ was one wicket away from losing this test. I don't see it as validation of NZ producing results. If NZ was close to winning and did not due to bad light then I would have seen as evidence of producing results. Played better than expected, but still just one wicket away from losing the test due to bad light.

Good point this. First test was more of NZ escaping away from a loss due to bad light. It was not even like 150/4 or something at stumps. They were 9 down and only a matter of one wicket before bad light saved them.

 

[Walawalkar]

Whether he regains form or not remains to be seen. On present form there are dozens of cricketers you would pick ahead of him. Probably half a dozen in India alone.

If you choose player on form of few matches you will end up with pretty wierd and unbelievable World XI

 

[transparent opacity]

I think only in NZ. At any other venue, India would be favorites.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

NZ and probably England. NZ bowling lineup is pretty weak, only Jamieson a threat.

 

[Aman]

Good point this. First test was more of NZ escaping away from a loss due to bad light. It was not even like 150/4 or something at stumps. They were 9 down and only a matter of one wicket before bad light saved them.

At most there was one over left with India not looking likely. They bowled far more overs than the minimum in the last hour as well.

 

[Aman]

And Pujara and Rahane will "probably" be dropped after this series and Gill and Mayank may slot into the middle order. You do realize two can play this game right?

Doubt.

Who is going to drop the specialist captain?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

NZ Win: Everywhere but India and Bangladesh
India Win: Nowhere but India and Bangladesh

 

[Buffet]

At most there was one over left with India not looking likely. They bowled far more overs than the minimum in the last hour as well.

450 overs get bowled in 5 days. Around 20 overs were lost in the test match due to bad light.

 

[Walawalkar]

NZ Win: Everywhere but India and Bangladesh
India Win: Nowhere but India and Bangladesh

What about Sri Lanka Sir...

 

[globalcitizen]

How does it even matter? It is not logical to point out weakness in Indian batting to predict NZ will do well against India. NZ collective batting has to be better than India. I think in bowling, the gap is actually bigger. NZ bowlers are suitable in certain conditions.

I think Nz have problems at their hand as well. Williamson has been losing form for a while and also recurring back issues.
Taylor seems to have lost will to play international cricket
Boult seems to be going away from test cricket
Southee might just play for another 2 years
Ajaz won't be able to repeat this performance anywhere else and he might just play another 2 or 3 yrs.

So if we only look at negatives you will find many. Both teams should look at positives and evolve

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Only in England and NZ. And that too, the designer pitches that were specifically designed for us when we toured last time. Cricviz noted that the pitches were tougher than they had been in a decade in NZ.

 

[jnaveen1980]

If there is no rain in England, i back India to beat NZ in England. Ofcourse it also depends on Indiap icking the right side

 

[Raja111]

NZ would win only in NZ and sometimes in Eng If the odds are in NZ favour. That's it. They have zero chance in AUS and The Subcontinent, 10% in SA, 20% in WI and ZIM.

 

[Aman]

I think Nz have problems at their hand as well. Williamson has been losing form for a while and also recurring back issues.
Taylor seems to have lost will to play international cricket
Boult seems to be going away from test cricket
Southee might just play for another 2 years
Ajaz won't be able to repeat this performance anywhere else and he might just play another 2 or 3 yrs.

So if we only look at negatives you will find many. Both teams should look at positives and evolve

That's actually a good point - Boult and Southee have a few years left and we don't have too many promising pacers coming through.

 

[Ab Fan]

At most there was one over left with India not looking likely. They bowled far more overs than the minimum in the last hour as well.

One wicket left and over 100 runs to score. Got to agree that it was an escape. From Indian POV, they didn't do much wrong in that test even if it was a draw.

 

[Swashbuckler]

India overwhelming favorites in SC and Aus

NZ overwhelming favorites in NZ and Eng

Ind favorites in WI because spin does play a role there, look at what Ashwin and Yasir Shah did there last time around.

NZ favorites in SA, India does like bounce but NZ is better when there is lateral movement for quicks. Our non-existent middle order combined with Jamieson with McGrathesque bowling tilts the balance in NZ's favor. Anyway let us see what Ind does in SA this time, that will answer some questions. I don't think NZ has a good record in SA.

As long as we carry around mediocrities like Pujara, Rahane, Kohli, Saha, Ishant, we will be vulnerable against good sides. NZ messed up with Somerville selection this series but in general they tend to play in-form players. There is a culture of accountability in all countries except India, so we will continue to underperform and a country like NZ will always punch above its weight.

 

[Swashbuckler]

One wicket left and over 100 runs to score. Got to agree that it was an escape. From Indian POV, they didn't do much wrong in that test even if it was a draw.

India did many things wrong with team selection. Selecting deadweights like Pujara and Rahane will have consequences.

And biggest culprit was Ishant with his harmless trundling, no pace, no swing, no seam, no zip, no threat. We were just one wicket away in the end, think about it. Put Siraj in Ishant's place and it would have been a comfortable victory.

 

[Swashbuckler]

We just wasted time giving Ishant the ball in Kanpur, 22 overs sent in and he would take 5-6 minutes to complete an over. Moreover with the amount of no balls he bowled you can comfortably add another over or 2.

In his place a spinner could have bowled 40+ overs, we were carrying 3 spinners in that match and in both innings one of them was underbowled to accommodate the useless Ishant.

Just thinking about it makes my blood boil. Jamieson and Southee were making our guys dance to their tunes, and with 100 tests experience our Ishant couldn't beat the bat once, ideal net practice to get their batsmen into form.

We were just one wicket away in the end, so close, victory denied thanks to seniority quota and selection based on friendship.

 

[Napa]

Full strength NZ team can beat India in NZ, Eng, SA,<b> Aus,</b> WI, UAE, Zim and Ireland.

Totally delusional. Did you see how badly NZ got hammered by Australia in Australia?

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/trans-tasman-trophy-2019-20-1183523/match-results

Same Australia that India beat in consecutive series in Australia.

Next time go all the way and claim NZ can beat India in India too

NZ can beat India in NZ and England probably.

 

[loves_cricket]

Must be very sad day for Bhag Viru Bhag
India won by huge margin

 

[Bilal Ahmad15]

Only in New Zealand. That's it. Not even in England (or Ireland) as India just got the best of England (2 -1) in the recent 4 match series played in England.

 

[MP2011]

We just wasted time giving Ishant the ball in Kanpur, 22 overs sent in and he would take 5-6 minutes to complete an over. Moreover with the amount of no balls he bowled you can comfortably add another over or 2.

Ishant ideally, should have already played his last test for us. If he still hasn't then it only means our test team too will be plagued with similar problems which our white ball teams are facing due to Kohli's stubborn attitude to keep playing washed up hacks in our LoI teams.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Ishant ideally, should have already played his last test for us. If he still hasn't then it only means our test team too will be plagued with similar problems which our white ball teams are facing due to Kohli's stubborn attitude to keep playing washed up hacks in our LoI teams.

Is it just Kohli or our entire cricket ecosystem giving more importance to seniority than ability/form/youth?

There was no Kohli in Kanpur yet we didn't give chance to Siraj, Prasidh, Bharat. In the T20Is Rohit could have backed youngsters instead of the same old veterans we have been seeing for the last 8 years.

And look at the experts, commentators, ex-players, always ready to defend the non-performing seniors yet pounce upon youngsters for small mistakes. NCA head VVS Laxman was talking about benching Iyer for this game after his MoM in Kanpur. We all remember how Pant was treated before his SCG/Gabba heroics. I think the rot is deep.

Ishant was never that good in SC conditions even in his peak years of 2016-19, this Ishant is the worst version of him and we played him against Eng in Feb-Mar, again in Kanpur. Crazy!!!!!

 

[MP2011]

Is it just Kohli or our entire cricket ecosystem giving more importance to seniority than ability/form/youth?

There was no Kohli in Kanpur yet we didn't give chance to Siraj, Prasidh, Bharat. In the T20Is Rohit could have backed youngsters instead of the same old veterans we have been seeing for the last 8 years.

And look at the experts, commentators, ex-players, always ready to defend the non-performing seniors yet pounce upon youngsters for small mistakes. NCA head VVS Laxman was talking about benching Iyer for this game after his MoM in Kanpur. We all remember how Pant was treated before his SCG/Gabba heroics. I think the rot is deep.

Ishant was never that good in SC conditions even in his peak years of 2016-19, this Ishant is the worst version of him and we played him against Eng in Feb-Mar, again in Kanpur. Crazy!!!!!

Yeah, it seems our entire Indian cricketing fraternity seems hell bent on keep playing oldies irrespective of their returns.

 

[MP2011]

Speaking of VVS, I'm just sick of this simpleton. Now that he is being made NCA head, at least we won't need to hear him blabbering in comm box.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Speaking of VVS, I'm just sick of this simpleton. Now that he is being made NCA head, at least we won't need to hear him blabbering in comm box.

In an interview to Boria, Ganguly was telling that VVS will take coaching job with national team in the future. Things will only get worse my friend.

Loved VVS the player, amazingly clutch, so smart when it came to navigating with the tail or chasing 4th innings targets. I thought he would be am intelligent analytical type of guy, and then I listened to his commentary and expert talk. Dumb is the word to describe him, clueless, best to keep such people away from NCA, national team etc. Seriously Ganguly has been a total disappointment in his stint, raised expectations but delivered so little, just a sidekick to that clown Jay Shah.

 

[cricketjoshila]

New Zealand can beat India in any SENA country.

They should lose everywhere else.

Even Australia is struggling to beat India in Australia and NZ will beat India?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

What about Sri Lanka Sir...

Rain affected drawn series

 

[Varun]

In an interview to Boria, Ganguly was telling that VVS will take coaching job with national team in the future. Things will only get worse my friend.

Loved VVS the player, amazingly clutch, so smart when it came to navigating with the tail or chasing 4th innings targets. I thought he would be am intelligent analytical type of guy, and then I listened to his commentary and expert talk. Dumb is the word to describe him, clueless, best to keep such people away from NCA, national team etc. Seriously Ganguly has been a total disappointment in his stint, raised expectations but delivered so little, just a sidekick to that clown Jay Shah.

Comedy gold. He barely speaks anything when he is on air and when the other commentators try to get him to say something, he replies in the most diplomatic and obvious way possible. You can easily predict what he's going to say:

Bhogle: How was your experience batting with Sachin?
Laxman: He is a great batsman and I enjoyed batting with him over the years. We had many partnerships which were helpful for the team.

Sunny: What do you think of Virat Kohli's batting?
Laxman: He is a very talented batsman and has all the shots in the book. He has a matured head and will do well in his career.

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

With all due respect, NZ will only win in NZ. India blanked Australia in consecutive series in Australia - the same place where NZ ceremonially goes only to get slaughtered. And these are conditions that are supposed to favor strong suit of Kiwis - fast bowling. I feel Kiwis may not even qualify for the WTC final this time. Yes Jamieson is a great addition but the mediocrity around him doesn't help - Williamson included.