At which venues can New Zealand beat India in Tests over a series of 3-5 matches?

[Walawalkar]

Rain affected drawn series

What if there is no rain.. how hard it is to admit

 

[sindhiboy]

NZ can beat any team in NZ and England. Except maybe Australia

NZ were pretty poor in AUS 2020. But since then, jamieson and conway have made a huge difference to the test team. Ajaz patel also didnt play in the aus tour. So if NZ tours Australia now, they will be much more competitive.


But we have to keep in mind that Nz are still finding new players like young and mitchell, so they arent a fully settled team yet.


NZ will give a fight to India in SA, but India should eventually win. No chance in Australia.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Didnt really expect much or any fight from NZ.

They are what they are, just an avg to slightly above avg side depending on if the games are played in NZ.

Their fluke one off World Test match Championship was pretty much because Indians were isolating and not having any match practice while NZ had been playing a whole series in ENG...

NZ will never win a test series in places like Aus, India, even WI for that matter. It is what it is, they are just an avg side...

 

[Junaids]

They just did!

2 Tests in NZ with a Kookaburra ball.
2 Tests in India with an SG ball.
1 Test in England with a Dukes ball.

New Zealand 3
India 1
Drawn 1

 

[Varun]

They just did!

2 Tests in NZ with a Kookaburra ball.
2 Tests in India with an SG ball.
1 Test in England with a Dukes ball.

New Zealand 3
India 1
Drawn 1

Didn't know hanging on by a thread in the first test, and sinking to a massive defeat in the 2nd gives New Zealand "2 test victories in India with an SG ball".

 

[Mamoon]

Didn't know hanging on by a thread in the first test, and sinking to a massive defeat in the 2nd gives New Zealand "2 test victories in India with an SG ball".

He is adding up the number of Tests India and New Zealand have played lately in different conditions.

2 in New Zealand, 2 in India and 1 in England. The number of victories are mentioned below.

 

[Swashbuckler]

NZ is almost as bad as post-2010 SA in Ind. Far weaker than Aus/Eng. So competing in SC is an impossibility. Don't understand how some are mentioning UAE, Lanka, Bangladesh etc.

Lost 8 out of previous 10 tests here and most of the margins have been massive.

That narrow escape in Kanpur against an Indian side missing half a dozen first choice players, where 20 overs were lost to bad light, that was the closest NZ has come to avoiding defeat in India in the last 10 years. They made us work hard once in 2012 where we had to score 262 in the 4th innings and we did it quite clinically in a couple of sessions.

372 runs, innings and 198 runs, 321 runs, 178 runs, 197 runs, innings and 205 runs, these are some of the margins of defeats. Bangladesh and Sri Lanka have played us closer at home.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

NZ also beat Pakistan in UAE so doesn't that mean they can beat India also there? I am using the logic of those who think Aus beat NZ in Aus and India beat Aus in Aus so India will surely beat NZ. May be NZ have a mental block against Aus in Aus but won't have that against India? Logics like these don't work in real life. India have only beaten NZ in India but NZ have beaten India in both NZ and Eng lately. These things happened in real. Rest is all assumption so it doesn't matter what people say because they all are correct.

 

[Bewal Express]

NZ would win in Eng, Aus, SA and NZ. India would win in Ind, BD and SL.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

NZ would win in Eng, Aus, SA and NZ. India would win in Ind, BD and SL.

NZ isn't beating India in Aus. India has both stronger batting and bowling in Aus conditions. Australia is literally the favourite away country for Indian batsmen. Every single great Indian batsman has 40+ average in Australia (including Sehwag).

 

[cricketjoshila]

NZ would win in Eng, Aus, SA and NZ. India would win in Ind, BD and SL.

Australia cant beat India in Australia, and NZ will beat India?

 

[James]

Outside the subcontinent — maybe.

In the subcontinent — no.

 

[Mahee]

Australia cant beat India in Australia, and NZ will beat India?

not even in a Parallel universe would NZ beat Ind in Australia....if no swing, India will maul NZ like they maul Namibia...Australia is a place where there will be no swing....that's why NZ's record has been so pathetic in Australia.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

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So you think beating India, a constant top 2 test side in the world with an unbeaten record in Asia for almost a decade is just as easy as beating a Pakistani side, which was ranked 6th or 7th and got clean swept by freaking Sri Lanka an year before at the same venue...

Matlab kuch bhi ) )

Bhai tu toh rehne hi de. I have seen your dumb logics like "any IPL team can beat any asian team except India" going into drain and you vanishing from this place. Keep your arrogance aside and read the title of this thread. I asked a question can't NZ beat India just because they beat Pakistan in UAE? You are getting offended without any reason. You should say "matlab kuch bhi" to yourself and the guy who thinks that India can beat NZ in Aus just because Aus beat NZ and we beat Aus.

 

[Bewal Express]

Australia cant beat India in Australia, and NZ will beat India?

NZ with Jameison would make mince out of Ind in Australia. Anywhere with bounce and Ind are toast against NZ.

 

[Bewal Express]

NZ isn't beating India in Aus. India has both stronger batting and bowling in Aus conditions. Australia is literally the favourite away country for Indian batsmen. Every single great Indian batsman has 40+ average in Australia (including Sehwag).

Against Aus, but its fact that NZ have beaten Ind in NZ and England, and both countries have moderate bounce, just imagine what their pacers would do to you in SA and Australia.

 

[Bewal Express]

not even in a Parallel universe would NZ beat Ind in Australia....if no swing, India will maul NZ like they maul Namibia...Australia is a place where there will be no swing....that's why NZ's record has been so pathetic in Australia.

Jamieson relies on bounce and Ind would be toast against him. He even caused problems on low Ind wickets against you.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I love how Indians are getting hyped over hypothetical scenarios.

The reality is that NZ and Ind will only ever play in 3 places. NZ, Ind and Eng.

NZ have won recently in 2/3 of those venues.

Pretending that India will win in Australia is just like pretending that New Zealand will win if a series is played on the moon.

 

[Romali_rotti]

NZ with Jameison would make mince out of Ind in Australia. Anywhere with bounce and Ind are toast against NZ.

Ermm No..

NZ would get trashed in Aus, there is hardly any swing, Indian bats are good against pace and bounce or they would not have won the finished series in Aus against better bowlers of Aus.

 

[Bewal Express]

Ermm No..

NZ would get trashed in Aus, there is hardly any swing, Indian bats are good against pace and bounce or they would not have won the finished series in Aus against better bowlers of Aus.

NZ have the wood over Ind on any wicket with bounce, look at what happened in Southampton with Jamieson. He is modern version of Joel Garner

 

[Romali_rotti]

NZ have the wood over Ind on any wicket with bounce, look at what happened in Southampton with Jamieson. He is modern version of Joel Garner

No again.

It was seam movement and swing along with an Indian side that was Covid Isolating with no match practice that helped NZ get away with a phony win.

 

[Bewal Express]

No again.

It was seam movement and swing along with an Indian side that was Covid Isolating with no match practice that helped NZ get away with a phony win.

I love your optimism but they beat you and beat you well. In all conditions they are better than you. The only conditions you are better is slow turners, everywhere else they would win.

 

[cricketjoshila]

NZ with Jameison would make mince out of Ind in Australia. Anywhere with bounce and Ind are toast against NZ.

Lol. Starc Cummins and Hazlewood couldn't make mince out of India in Australia and Jamieson will?

Lol

Jamieson relies on swing and seam and in Australia,indian batsmen will thrash him to all parts.

Except NZ and may be England, NZ wont beat India in a series anywhere.

 

[cricketjoshila]

NZ have the wood over Ind on any wicket with bounce, look at what happened in Southampton with Jamieson. He is modern version of Joel Garner

You know how many tests have NZ won in Australia?

 

[U$ofA]

Outside of maybe 10 or so posters on this forum, does/will anyone even care about a test match between Ind-NZ?

-NZC and BCCI have cut their bilateral tests to 2 test "series".
-NZC has turned their home season to a more T20 focus and less of test matches
-NZ players negotiate more for IPL issues than for playing test matches
-We all know BCCI's priorities towards IPL
-The fans seem not care judging by the number of people who showed up to the recent test "series".
-There are probably more discussion by Indian fans about the IPL auction than the just concluded tests.

As I suspect, no one cares about tests involving these to boards. Neither Indians nor NZ'ers.

 

[Romali_rotti]

I love your optimism but they beat you and beat you well. In all conditions they are better than you. The only conditions you are better is slow turners, everywhere else they would win.

I love your Pakistani sour grapeness

The fact is Indians beat an Australian side which are much better than the NZ players in batting and bowling on fast and bouncy wickets in Aus and that itself is proof in the pudding.

Meanwhile India has already beaten NZ for a test series win in NZ about 8 years ago, so there goes your everywhere else they would win theory

No Shoo, off you go...

 

[cricketjoshila]

I love your Pakistani sour grapeness

The fact is Indians beat an Australian side which are much better than the NZ players in batting and bowling on fast and bouncy wickets in Aus and that itself is proof in the pudding.

Meanwhile India has already beaten NZ for a test series win in NZ about 8 years ago, so there goes your everywhere else they would win theory

No Shoo, off you go...

If i remember correctly, NZ has won a grand total of 2 test in India, EVER.

They have never ever won a test series in India.

 

[KP From India]

They have grand total of 3/4 victories in Aus, Ind, Sa and Eng combined in some 45+ matches since 2001.
Reminds me our old days of 90s overseas with fearsome players like Dodda Ganesh, Rathod, Venkatpathy Raju, Mongia etc. Nz still had mediocre Astle, Fleming, Cairns, Bond, Williamson, Boult, Southee, Vettori, Macculum etc.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Pace and bounce won't trouble the Indian team.

Kanpur was so slow and ball hardly bounced over knee, yet Southee and Jamieson terrorized our batsmen, courtesy swing in cold, foggy North Indian winter.

Mumbai had so much extra bounce but Jamieson looked so pathetic, Latham was hiding him the whole match. Anyway he never had much pace to succeed on traditional Indian pitches. He needed assistance off the surface, bounce was not at all a factor.

In tests weapons to beat this Indian team: late swing>seam>finger spin>>>wrist spin>>>>pace/bounce

1.97 m tall 140+ kph Starc on Aussie pitches has never troubled the Indian side even on bouncy Aussie pitches like Gabba, not because he isn't a good bowler but because he doesn't have necessary weapons to cut through the Indian batting lineup.

 

[Bewal Express]

I love your Pakistani sour grapeness

The fact is Indians beat an Australian side which are much better than the NZ players in batting and bowling on fast and bouncy wickets in Aus and that itself is proof in the pudding.

Meanwhile India has already beaten NZ for a test series win in NZ about 8 years ago, so there goes your everywhere else they would win theory

No Shoo, off you go...

NZ would beat you easily because of Jamieson. You know how I know, they have done it on any wicket that has bounce.

 

[cricketjoshila]

NZ would beat you easily because of Jamieson. You know how I know, they have done it on any wicket that has bounce.

So Jamieson will do what Cummins Starc and Hazlewood could not?

Lol.

Indians unlike pakistanis are not scared of bounce.

 

[Ab Fan]

UAE wickets will be helpful for our spinners and our batsman should also enjoy the conditions as there won't be any major swing or seam and NZ spinners are not great on those wickets.

Australian wickets are different from the typical NZ wickets. They are not similar. NZ is more similar to England as that will assist their seamers.

NZ vs India in UAE in tests is definitely favourable for India. Don't go with T20s, it is a different format and conditions don't matter much in that format.

NZ vs India in Australia is not as favourable for NZ. Australia is all about pace and bounce, you will only see swing and movement in the pink ball test. If anything, it is NZ vs Eng which is more favourable to NZ.

To conclude, NZ vs India in UAE is as much favourable to India as NZ vs India in Eng is favourable to NZ.

The only teams that will be challenging for India to beat in Aussie conditions are Australia and South Africa.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

NZ with Jameison would make mince out of Ind in Australia. Anywhere with bounce and Ind are toast against NZ.

Cummins and Hazlewood generate bounce and they couldnt beat India. Also on OZ wickets, Southee Boult and the spinner will get smashed.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

I doubt if NZ can beat us in NZ too. I think India went a bit under-prepared for NZ last time around, maybe even complacent to a degree and we got a harsh reality check. Since then our preparation for tour of Aus and England was on a whole other level. And we saw those in results.

I won't read too much into WTC result, it was a one-off rain marred contest. In a proper 3 test series in Eng, NZ, Aus and SA I still put India as favourites. In other conditions its probably not even a contest.

 

[James]

Just had to comb through the second page of this thread and delete a dozen or so rubbish posts.

Please cease with the insulting and trying to antagonise one another, and stick to the topic of conversation at hand.

 

[shamaan]

So Jamieson will do what Cummins Starc and Hazlewood could not?

Lol.

Indians unlike pakistanis are not scared of bounce.

Yasir Shah isn't scared of bounce

 

[Walawalkar]

Yasir Shah isn't scared of bounce

Bombay duck Ajit Agarkar have century at lords... Sachin didn't... What's your point