Australia, England, India and another team will feature in an ODI Super Series beginning in 2021

[Ronaldo7]

Watching elite teams and elite players play against each other in a meaningful series is boring and not interesting for some LOL? How are you people cricket fans if this is boring?

This sounds more fun than watching one of these teams beat Sri Lanka, Pakistan, or Bangladesh black and blue in a bilateral series.

We're talking about ODIs here
I'm sure Pakistan could beat NZ, Eng and Aus in India if given the chance

Also, these "elite" teams have been playing against each other continuously for the last few years and it is getting pretty repetitive.

 

[aloo paratha]

Including Pakistan would make for an epic tourney. New Zealand isn't a bad choice but they won't be pulling in crowds. The right business decision would mean having Pakistan as the 4th team but we all know that's not happening.

 

[sweep_shot]

Four top ODI teams currently: Australia, England, India, NZ.

I think these four can have an amazing series. England or India should win in the end.

 

[NoBallZombie]

What if Pakistan ranks 4th in the ODI rankings?

Also, curious you speak of merit while Australia is ranked lower than India and England in the ODI rankings and yet will be a mainstay fixture of this proposed tournament. Mind to explain that?

Then the rankings would be considered a farce just like the t20 rankings now.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Including Pakistan would make for an epic tourney. New Zealand isn't a bad choice but they won't be pulling in crowds. The right business decision would mean having Pakistan as the 4th team but we all know that's not happening.

You maybe right with regards to business, however current political environment would make it difficult for Pakistan to tour India.

 

[aloo paratha]

You maybe right with regards to business, however current political environment would make it difficult for Pakistan to tour India.

Yeah, sadly.

 

[Hyperion66]

What if Pakistan ranks 4th in the ODI rankings?

Also, curious you speak of merit while Australia is ranked lower than India and England in the ODI rankings and yet will be a mainstay fixture of this proposed tournament. Mind to explain that?

If India is the host I don't think you will be playing even if you rank number 1. BTW I don't see you break into top 4-5 in the forseable future but that's just my prediction.

India,Aus and Eng are th richest and most high profile teams in the cricket world, this isn't changing anytime soon even if they slip down in ranking. If they want to play each other, they will. It is more to do with status than ranking I feel.

Currently on merit NZ deserves to play more than any team.

You are free to organize a rival tournament if you want to, with SL, BD and Windies or any team you see fit.

 

[jnaveen1980]

If it is in india i prefer West Indies. Will be very entertaining.

 

[Babbar]

Ashes is a tournament between England and Australia; nothing to do with their ranking in the world. India can’t be a part of ashes just because it’s #1 for so many years. Similarly Australia Tri-series was always between Australia and two touring teams, no relation with ranking.

This 4-team tournament, if it happens, will be between India, England, Australia and one invitee team, nothing to do with rankings. West Indies or Pakistan can be ranked one but unless invited will not be part of the tournament. Pakistan can obviously create their own Pak-SL-WI and one invited team. No one can question it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Including Pakistan would make for an epic tourney. New Zealand isn't a bad choice but they won't be pulling in crowds. The right business decision would mean having Pakistan as the 4th team but we all know that's not happening.

There is enough money that will be coming from the three biggest markets, India England Aus. So it will be sensible to include the finalist of the last two WC.

 

[MenInG]

New Delhi: BCCI President Sourav Ganguly has said that the idea behind having a four-nation ODI — which involves Australia, England and one other team — is to have a “good, competitive tournament”.

“It’s a proposal. Let’s see where it goes. The reason behind it is only to have a good, competitive tournament,” Ganguly said.

Giving an example of the ongoing Test between Australia and New Zealand which saw a record crowd on the Boxing Day at the MCG, he said: “People want to see a high class tournament and we are attempting to do it.”

However, he made it clear that for the tournament to happen from 2021, they will have to overcome a lot of hurdles.

“We will have to get clearances from the broadcasters and ICC for a four-nation tournament. Then, there are the Future Tours Programme (FTP) areas to look at, as to where do we fit it within the FTP,” the BCCI chief said.

“But it’s just a way to create a niche tournament. We are looking for quality cricket. What we see today, is only bilateral happening,” he added.

Ganguly’s idea of a Super ODI Series has been hailed by both Cricket Australia and England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB), but former Pakistan captain Rashid Latif believes the proposal will be a “flop” one just like the “Big Three Model”.

Responding to the criticism, Ganguly said the tournament is not meant only to benefit “The Big Three”. “There will be a fourth team as well. We have to just fit this tournament in the gap, which is the biggest challenge. The agenda just is a high class tournament with very powerful teams put together.”

“Very rarely do you get to see India, Australia, England and South Africa or a New Zealand play a quadrangular tournament,” he added.

The BCCI chief also made it clear that the Indian players will have to go to the National Cricket Academy (NCA) in Bengaluru for post-injury rehabilitation. Ganguly’s comments came after his meeting with Head of Cricket at the NCA Rahul Dravid.

“I met Rahul Dravid yesterday, and we have put a system in place. The bowlers will have to go to the NCA. If anybody (else) has to treat them, they will have to come to NCA,” Ganguly said.

“Whatever may be the reason, we will accommodate everything. We will also make sure the players are comfortable and they don’t feel left out or out of place. So, we will do it that way.”

“We are going full throttle with the NCA. Construction work will start (at the new land) and it will be a state-of-the-art unit. In 18 months time, if we are still there, you will see an NCA that will be spick and span.”

https://gulfnews.com/sport/cricket/...to-have-high-class-tourney-ganguly-1.68703290

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Aus, Eng, Ind and Pakistan should be the four teams but knowing BCCI and some narrow minded fans this will never happen.

 

[JibranAnsari]

Should be very entertaining.

Australia , india , england and forth should be newzealand. I miss the old world series days.

 

[ReverseHit]

Yes! I loved the quadrangular tournaments we had back in the late 90s/early 2000s. Get rid of CT and use the 4 years between WCs for multi-lateral tournaments.

I'd prefer them to rotate between teams though - it will probably get boring watching India/Aus/Eng in a series every year.

 

[Manunited18]

Aus, Eng, Ind and Pakistan should be the four teams but knowing BCCI and some narrow minded fans this will never happen.

Yes completely agree

 

[Manunited18]

There is enough money that will be coming from the three biggest markets, India England Aus. So it will be sensible to include the finalist of the last two WC.

Why not include the 2017 champions trophy winners

 

[Convict]

South Africa is my preferred fourth.

 

[Mesozoic]

Aus, Eng, Ind and Pakistan should be the four teams but knowing BCCI and some narrow minded fans this will never happen.

How does Pakistan deserve to be there ahead of New Zealand ?

One team almost won the world cup if not for some stupendous rules and the other couldn't even make it to the Semis. No comparison at all.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why not include the 2017 champions trophy winners

Because the WC means more.

 

[Manunited18]

Because the WC means more.

If your using that logic then new zealand have never won the world cup, pakistan, west indies have

 

[Manunited18]

How does Pakistan deserve to be there ahead of New Zealand ?

One team almost won the world cup if not for some stupendous rules and the other couldn't even make it to the Semis. No comparison at all.

Had Sri Lanka not got washed out pakistan would have been in semis, by the way pakistan comfortably beat new zealand and England

 

[Mesozoic]

Had Sri Lanka not got washed out pakistan would have been in semis, by the way pakistan comfortably beat new zealand and England

It doesn't work that way.

Just because Sri Lanka beat England in the WC , doesn't make them a better team than England. Does it ?

 

[Manunited18]

It doesn't work that way.

Just because Sri Lanka beat England in the WC , doesn't make them a better team than England. Does it ?

Lol, what have newzealand ever won in a icc event, at least pakistan have won major trophys, most recently battering India in a final

 

[Hitman]

Lol, what have newzealand ever won in a icc event, at least pakistan have won major trophys, most recently battering India in a final

New Zealand won that trophy in 2000.

 

[Hasan123]

We're talking about ODIs here
I'm sure Pakistan could beat NZ, Eng and Aus in India if given the chance

Also, these "elite" teams have been playing against each other continuously for the last few years and it is getting pretty repetitive.

Pakistan won’t be these teams over a bilateral series. Have you seen how many top sides we have beaten in bilateral ODIs in recent times? We can beat them in 1 off games but in bilateral series we have a small chance.

If you find it repetitive you don’t need to watch. I find it exciting.

 

[Mesozoic]

Lol, what have newzealand ever won in a icc event, at least pakistan have won major trophys, most recently battering India in a final

What logic is that ?

So, I guess West Indies are a better team than England now as they have more ICC trophies.

 

[Ahmed4472]

New Zealand won that trophy in 2000.

Lol what a coincidence, words you put in bold for that quote also stands true for that match in 2000

 

[Manunited18]

What logic is that ?

So, I guess West Indies are a better team than England now as they have more ICC trophies.

Any team can beat any on a given day

 

[Mesozoic]

Any team can beat any on a given day

Yes. But the probabilities vary from team to team.

 

[Hitman]

Lol what a coincidence, words you put in bold for that quote also stands true for that match in 2000

Yup, we lost 2 Champions Trophy finals.

 

[Babbar]

I am still not understanding the issue here. It’s a mutual agreement between three boards that they want to play a contest where a fourth team will be invited based on a consensus among the three. It’s not a world cup but just a contest between the three and a guest team.

It has nothing to do with ranking. By 2021, India, Eng, Aus can be all out of top 5 and can invite tenth ranked Afg. None of the top 5 can demand their inclusion on performance and then complain to ICC.

 

[aloo paratha]

There is enough money that will be coming from the three biggest markets, India England Aus. So it will be sensible to include the finalist of the last two WC.

Yeah but businesses don't want enough money, they want as much money as possible.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yeah but businesses don't want enough money, they want as much money as possible.

Well they also want the best team they can possibly get without any issues.

 

[Babbar]

Yeah but businesses don't want enough money, they want as much money as possible.

Yes sometimes smart businessman agree to take 97% of money on the table without hassle rather than try the get the remaining 3% and put up with risk of tantrums, illegal betting and heightened geopolitical tension. Pakistan is no more than 3% of Ind-Aus-Eng cricketing money bags, that can be easily matched by inviting BCB.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

How does Pakistan deserve to be there ahead of New Zealand ?

One team almost won the world cup if not for some stupendous rules and the other couldn't even make it to the Semis. No comparison at all.

Stop crying for once and look at the bigger picture. I was under the impression that fans like you give you more importance to money. Now please tell me honestly which match will bring in more viewers Ind vs Nz or Ind vs Pak? If your answer is the former then you are one delusional fan.

 

[Mamoon]

Including Pakistan would devalue the tournament. New Zealand or South Africa should be the 4th team.

 

[Mesozoic]

Stop crying for once and look at the bigger picture. I was under the impression that fans like you give you more importance to money. Now please tell me honestly which match will bring in more viewers Ind vs Nz or Ind vs Pak? If your answer is the former then you are one delusional fan.

Wow lol. You got triggered good.

Anyways...

It's not about the money or viewership. It's about getting ODI cricket back on track again by having the best teams play each other more and adding more purpose to the fast declining 50-over cricket. And in that regards, New Zealand is an obvious pick for the 4th team. Picking other teams for $ will dilute the quality of the tournament.

 

[jnaveen1980]

South Africa is my preferred fourth.

Not the current one. You would want the Poorans and Hetmyers.

 

[Manunited18]

Including Pakistan would devalue the tournament. New Zealand or South Africa should be the 4th team.

Now this is a clueless post, new zealand and South Africa proven chockers in major tournaments, yet pakistan who battered India in champions trophy FINAL would devalue the tournament, get your blinkers off cameelion

 

[Manunited18]

Wow lol. You got triggered good.

Anyways...

It's not about the money or viewership. It's about getting ODI cricket back on track again by having the best teams play each other more and adding more purpose to the fast declining 50-over cricket. And in that regards, New Zealand is an obvious pick for the 4th team. Picking other teams for $ will dilute the quality of the tournament.

A final of any show piece event is a big occasion, role back champions trophy FINAL 2017 india stank the place out with a abject performance , and clearly devalued the final, alot of people watched your shower of xxite on that day and were left so dissapointed that they couldn't find it in themselves to aknowledge the winning team, LOOOOOL

 

[aloo paratha]

Wow lol. You got triggered good.

Anyways...

It's not about the money or viewership. It's about getting ODI cricket back on track again by having the best teams play each other more and adding more purpose to the fast declining 50-over cricket. And in that regards, New Zealand is an obvious pick for the 4th team. Picking other teams for $ will dilute the quality of the tournament.

Yes, yes, BCCI and the other 2 boards are doing this out of the goodness of their heart, they don't care about the money at all.

If that's the case they should donate all the profits to charities.

 

[aloo paratha]

Including Pakistan would devalue the tournament. New Zealand or South Africa should be the 4th team.

In the recently concluded World Cup, in which teams played 9 games each (big enough sample size), South Africa finished 7th. New Zealand (4th) finished one place above Pakistan (5th) on NRR, Pakistan also won the NZ vs Pakistan match, so safe to say, New Zealand and Pakistan were pretty close, New Zealand just edged it out.

Yet Pakistan will somehow devalue the tournament more South Africa. Your inferiority complex showing once again.

 

[Mamoon]

Now this is a clueless post, new zealand and South Africa proven chockers in major tournaments, yet pakistan who battered India in champions trophy FINAL would devalue the tournament, get your blinkers off cameelion

Pakistan is 6th in the ODI rankings table with 98 points. It does not deserve to partake in this premier quadruple series because it can fluke a big win once in a blue moon.

This tournament should be reserved for the four best ODI teams in the world. Pakistan isn’t one of them.

 

[Hyperion66]

If it is in india i prefer West Indies. Will be very entertaining.

I agree, the likes of Pollard, Russell and now Lewis, Hetmyer and even Pooran are sure shot crowd pullars. But if it was up to me I would have gone for NZ though, much better as a team although Windies may have bigger stars.

 

[Mesozoic]

Yes, yes, BCCI and the other 2 boards are doing this out of the goodness of their heart, they don't care about the money at all.

If that's the case they should donate all the profits to charities.

Read up on ICC's revenue sharing model.
Big3 are already giving a lot of "charities" to smaller boards from the bucks they generate.

 

[Darkrai]

Why are people desperate to include Pakistan in this series?

BCCI and India publically express their ill feelings towards Pakistan cricket, and you think they will want to help Pakistan by including them in this series?

If this series was held now, the 4 teams should be the semi-finalists of the WC. But who knows where these teams will stand in 2021.

 

[aloo paratha]

Read up on ICC's revenue sharing model.
Big3 are already giving a lot of "charities" to smaller boards from the bucks they generate.

I've heard this argument a lot. The money is mostly generated from Indian viewers. BCCI don't own every Indian, so they are not the ones generating that revenue.

 

[Mamoon]

In the recently concluded World Cup, in which teams played 9 games each (big enough sample size), South Africa finished 7th. New Zealand (4th) finished one place above Pakistan (5th) on NRR, Pakistan also won the NZ vs Pakistan match, so safe to say, New Zealand and Pakistan were pretty close, New Zealand just edged it out.

Yet Pakistan will somehow devalue the tournament more South Africa. Your inferiority complex showing once again.

The World Cup is one tournament.

The quality of a team is reflected in the rankings which are based on long-term consistency. Pakistan beat New Zealand on a sluggish team that was designed to keep Pakistan in the tournament, but New Zealand smashed Pakistan 5-0 in the previous ODI series.

Both New Zealand and South Africa are better than Pakistan and will beat them in a series more often than not. Pakistan’s presence will definitely undervalue the series.

 

[Manunited18]

Pakistan is 6th in the ODI rankings table with 98 points. It does not deserve to partake in this premier quadruple series because it can fluke a big win once in a blue moon.

This tournament should be reserved for the four best ODI teams in the world. Pakistan isn’t one of them.

Rankingsmean nothing in limited overs, teams use odi series to build squads for the upcoming icc events, I have a justified alternative , since England, pakistan, and west indies are holders of the icc events, I'd exclude India, and Australia

 

[cricketjoshila]

I've heard this argument a lot. The money is mostly generated from Indian viewers. BCCI don't own every Indian, so they are not the ones generating that revenue.

The Indian viewers pay to mostly watch Indian players.

India A India B and India C tournament where all premier Indian players play will likely get more viewers and generate more money than many international series.

Since BCCI control the Indian players they control the indian market and revenue coming out of it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Rankingsmean nothing in limited overs, teams use odi series to build squads for the upcoming icc events, I have a justified alternative , since England, pakistan, and west indies are holders of the icc events, I'd exclude India, and Australia

You can organize a tournament with Eng Pak and WI.

Bcci will organise one with Aus Eng and another team.

Thats fair i believe.

 

[Mamoon]

Rankingsmean nothing in limited overs, teams use odi series to build squads for the upcoming icc events, I have a justified alternative , since England, pakistan, and west indies are holders of the icc events, I'd exclude India, and Australia

Rankings are only meaningless for mediocre teams like Pakistan that do not have the talent to be number 1 except in formats like T20s.

A high ranked team always has a chance of winning the World Cup. That is why since 1999, every World Cup has been won by the pre-tournament favorite.

Champions Trophy has been an underdog tournament but not the World Cup.

Teams use ODI series to build squads for the World Cup and that is why the results are important. When you are winning series consistently, you know that you are on the right track and are thus in a good position to lift the World Cup.

This is of course reflected in the rankings as well. When you don’t take rankings seriously you end up what Pakistan does in every World Cup - take the Hail Mary approach and pray for miracles.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Rankings are only meaningless for mediocre teams like Pakistan that do not have the talent to be number 1 except in formats like T20s.

A high ranked team always has a chance of winning the World Cup. That is why since 1999, every World Cup has been won by the pre-tournament favorite.

Champions Trophy has been an underdog tournament but not the World Cup.

Teams use ODI series to build squads for the World Cup and that is why the results are important. When you are winning series consistently, you know that you are on the right track and are thus in a good position to lift the World Cup.

This is of course reflected in the rankings as well. When you don’t take rankings seriously you end up what Pakistan does in every World Cup - take the Hail Mary approach and pray for miracles.

I agree with NZ being there, but including South Africa just destroys your credibility. South Africa is a middling team comparable to Pakistan or West Indies right now.

 

[aloo paratha]

The World Cup is one tournament.

The quality of a team is reflected in the rankings which are based on long-term consistency. Pakistan beat New Zealand on a sluggish team that was designed to keep Pakistan in the tournament, but New Zealand smashed Pakistan 5-0 in the previous ODI series.

Both New Zealand and South Africa are better than Pakistan and will beat them in a series more often than not. Pakistan’s presence will definitely undervalue the series.

Why would you look at results from 2 years ago when there was a World Cup with 9 games each for everybody to play, just 6 months ago. The rankings take into account performances from up to 4 years ago as well, lots of players who were playing 4 years ago have been long gone.

 

[Mamoon]

I agree with NZ being there, but including South Africa just destroys your credibility. South Africa is a middling team comparable to Pakistan or West Indies right now.

South Africa would beat Pakistan and West Indies in an ODI series more often than not. They are struggling at the moment but they still have more pedigree.

South Africa are still a big team unlike Pakistan and West Indies.

 

[aloo paratha]

The Indian viewers pay to mostly watch Indian players.

India A India B and India C tournament where all premier Indian players play will likely get more viewers and generate more money than many international series.

Since BCCI control the Indian players they control the indian market and revenue coming out of it.

Still, that doesn't mean it is BCCI generated revenue.

Also BCCI and every other board owes it to the ICC, without them, there would not be any international cricket, no international cricket means no revenue. People watch India vs ______. Without the ICC, that match does not take place.

 

[Mamoon]

Why would you look at results from 2 years ago when there was a World Cup with 9 games each for everybody to play, just 6 months ago. The rankings take into account performances from up to 4 years ago as well, lots of players who were playing 4 years ago have been long gone.

Because World Cup is based on one-off matches. A poor team can beat a strong team in a one-off match but it is highly unlikely that they would prevail over a series.

For example, Pakistan got pounded by England in the ODI series before the World Cup but won the World Cup match when several England players had a stinker.

This doesn’t mean that Pakistan is better than England. It means that if England and Pakistan play 10 ODIs, England would probably win 8 times. That is why they are a much stronger side.

Pakistan’s mediocrity is reflected in its points tally (98). England, India, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa all have 110+ points and that is not going to change any time soon.

Nothing has changed in the Pakistan side that would provide hope for the future. Babar alone cannot do much when our overall batting, bowling and fielding is below average.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Still, that doesn't mean it is BCCI generated revenue.

Also BCCI and every other board owes it to the ICC, without them, there would not be any international cricket, no international cricket means no revenue. People watch India vs ______. Without the ICC, that match does not take place.

Sir

ICC doesn't own cricket. Its runs cricket for its members. The members make ICC.

Even before ICC, the MCC used to run the game.

Even today MCC owns the copyright of cricket laws and ICC has to ask MCC to amend them once ICC amends a law.

Today if out of 12 test members, majority walk out and for lets say International Cricket Federation, they will be the ones running the game.

 

[aloo paratha]

Because World Cup is based on one-off matches. A poor team can beat a strong team in a one-off match but it is highly unlikely that they would prevail over a series.

For example, Pakistan got pounded by England in the ODI series before the World Cup but won the World Cup match when several England players had a stinker.

This doesn’t mean that Pakistan is better than England. It means that if England and Pakistan play 10 ODIs, England would probably win 8 times. That is why they are a much stronger side.

Pakistan’s mediocrity is reflected in its points tally (98). England, India, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa all have 110+ points and that is not going to change any time soon.

Nothing has changed in the Pakistan side that would provide hope for the future. Babar alone cannot do much when our overall batting, bowling and fielding is below average.

The World Cup is a show of how teams perform when it really matters. Nobody cares about bilateral series if you have no trophies to show for it. In the grandest tournament of them all, Pakistan finished better than South Africa, and pretty much on par with NZ.

Again, the rankings take into performances of 3-4 years ago as well. South Africa is boosted in the rankings when they were actually a very good side, with Steyn, ABD etc, were still in the team. Things have changed, even Tahir and Hashim Amla have retired post WC.

Literally nobody takes the rankings over the tournaments. You yourself trash on Pakistan's ranking, and if they don't win the WT20 next year, then rightfully so because it is all about the tournaments. Only in tests did the rankings actually matter because there was no tournament for it, but even that has changed now, nobody will care that India was ranked #1 if they aren't lifting the trophy in 2021.

 

[aloo paratha]

Sir

ICC doesn't own cricket. Its runs cricket for its members. The members make ICC.

Even before ICC, the MCC used to run the game.

Even today MCC owns the copyright of cricket laws and ICC has to ask MCC to amend them once ICC amends a law.

Today if out of 12 test members, majority walk out and for lets say International Cricket Federation, they will be the ones running the game.

Yes, and what if they were to not include India? What would India do then? They would be nothing. The point is, India (or any other country) alone is worth nothing, that is why every board owes it to the ICC.

 

[moghul]

Bad idea, for rest of the countries . One more time India is trying to keep all the money earned from cricket to big three or four . It will badly hurt other countries. Those four countries will play all their games between them and don’t have to play with other countries. Pakistan will be able to handle it but others like WI, SL and BD might go bankrupt. ICC should never allow it . Even CA boss worried about the negative effect of it on other countries and has been cautious in endorsing it .

 

[Manunited18]

The World Cup is a show of how teams perform when it really matters. Nobody cares about bilateral series if you have no trophies to show for it. In the grandest tournament of them all, Pakistan finished better than South Africa, and pretty much on par with NZ.

Again, the rankings take into performances of 3-4 years ago as well. South Africa is boosted in the rankings when they were actually a very good side, with Steyn, ABD etc, were still in the team. Things have changed, even Tahir and Hashim Amla have retired post WC.

Literally nobody takes the rankings over the tournaments. You yourself trash on Pakistan's ranking, and if they don't win the WT20 next year, then rightfully so because it is all about the tournaments. Only in tests did the rankings actually matter because there was no tournament for it, but even that has changed now, nobody will care that India was ranked #1 if they aren't lifting the trophy in 2021.

Excellent points

 

[jnaveen1980]

We already have Asia cup where 4 nations play regularly. No other country is cribbing about it. Why is this proposal an issue?

 

[Manunited18]

We already have Asia cup where 4 nations play regularly. No other country is cribbing about it. Why is this proposal an issue?

Nothing wrong with trying to justify the 4th participant

 

[CanadianG00se]

Nothing wrong with trying to justify the 4th participant

From my understanding so far 4th team could be any team depending on situation and availability. It could be NZ in first series, and SA the next and so on.

If series were to take place this year imo, NZ would be the most likely team.

 

[dildilpak]

Honestly dont think this series will go through, might be used only as bargaining chip by BCCI & ECB to cut ICC down to size. But if the negotiations fail & the series goes through, ICC will lose all kinds of credibility among smaller nations for not standing up for them. Its a lose-lose situation for ICC.

 

[BaankeJi]

Aus, Eng, Ind and Pakistan should be the four teams but knowing BCCI and some narrow minded fans this will never happen.

So BCCI and fans are responsible for Pakistan not touring India?
Learnt something new today. Thanks.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Nothing wrong with trying to justify the 4th participant

Who will justify and to whom?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Honestly dont think this series will go through, might be used only as bargaining chip by BCCI & ECB to cut ICC down to size. But if the negotiations fail & the series goes through, ICC will lose all kinds of credibility among smaller nations for not standing up for them. Its a lose-lose situation for ICC.

Why will ICC stop 3 boards from playing among themselves once a year? What is the justification?

 

[dildilpak]

Why will ICC stop 3 boards from playing among themselves once a year? What is the justification?

They can't stop 3 teams playing together but ICC approval is needed if 4 teams are playing. But I am sure ICC will try its best to stop this series one way or another as it will be huge face/financial loss for them.

 

[Babbar]

Ranking hardly matters. If this 4-nation tournament becomes a reality, India will not permit Pakistan to be the fourth team unless the relationship between the two country changes for the better.

India will play Pakistan only in ICC tournaments where its voice gets shouted down under the greed of ICC. In any non-ICC event, India has no obligation to play against Pakistan and being a co-founder will not invite Pakistan in this tournament.

The better option will be for Pakistan to organise another tournament that excludes India.

 

[Mamoon]

The World Cup is a show of how teams perform when it really matters. Nobody cares about bilateral series if you have no trophies to show for it. In the grandest tournament of them all, Pakistan finished better than South Africa, and pretty much on par with NZ.

Again, the rankings take into performances of 3-4 years ago as well. South Africa is boosted in the rankings when they were actually a very good side, with Steyn, ABD etc, were still in the team. Things have changed, even Tahir and Hashim Amla have retired post WC.

South Africa’s young players are better than Pakistani young players. They are struggling right now but they will remain better than Pakistan in the foreseeable future.

South Africa had a worse World Cup than Pakistan but they are not a worse team. They would still beat Pakistan in a series home and away.

You can call Pakistan a big tournament team (they are not), but this is a quadruple series comprising of the four best ODI teams in the world. Pakistan isn’t one of them.

Literally nobody takes the rankings over the tournaments. You yourself trash on Pakistan's ranking, and if they don't win the WT20 next year, then rightfully so because it is all about the tournaments.

Pakistan’s T20 ranking was fake because it was built on beating weakened sides and they didn’t face India who would have been beaten them to a pulp. You can’t call yourself number 1 in any format unless you play a series against every quality side.

Only in tests did the rankings actually matter because there was no tournament for it, but even that has changed now, nobody will care that India was ranked #1 if they aren't lifting the trophy in 2021.

Test rankings still matter.

The two teams that are ranked #1 and #2 at the end of the league stage will play the WTC Final.

So no Pakistani style drama of being a mid-table side and then fluking the WTC Final by playing like cornered tigers. The WTC rewards consistency which is reflected in the rankings.

India will definitely play in the WTC Final and even if they don’t win the final, people will still remember their phenomenal reign as the number 1 Test team since 2016.

They have firmly established themselves as the best Asian Test side of all time and their legacy does not depend on one final.

That is the Pakistani way of thinking because we are not good enough to be consistent. For instance, had England not won the World Cup last summer, they would still have been the best ODI team in the world and not New Zealand.

The rankings seem meaningless in ODIs only because of ICC’s incompetence. Teams should be rewarded for their consistency.

They are are two ways of doing it: the World Cup format group stage should reflect the rankings. Top ranked sides should be paired with the low ranked sides.

That is how it works in tennis. The top ranked players do not face each other in the early stages of the tournament because neither of them deserve to be eliminated early.

Alternatively, if two teams are tied on points, they should not be differentiated on NRR or H2H during the World Cup - the higher ranked team should be one to go through.

This would reward consistency and give teams incentive to work hard for their rankings and add more meaning to bilateral matches.

If Pakistan wants to become a big team again, it must strive to achieve a top 3 rankings in Tests and ODIs like other top sides.

It is not as if we are a tournament team - we are below average in 9/10 tournaments that we play simply because we are a poor side. Our 2019 World Cup was mediocre as well, and anyone who thinks otherwise has accepted that we are a minnow side.

We need to learn to respect rankings in Tests and ODIs and not disregard them. Yes we are not good enough but we will never be with this pathetic attitude.

 

[Manunited18]

There's a valid alternative to this:

THE CLASH OF THE CHAMPIONS
England 50 overs world cup winners
Pakistan champions trophy winners (demolishing job)
Windies t20 winners
Add Sri Lanka as the 4th team, for me this is more appealing and justifies the event rather than the other money making circus with no real objective

 

[Mamoon]

There's a valid alternative to this:

THE CLASH OF THE CHAMPIONS
England 50 overs world cup winners
Pakistan champions trophy winners (demolishing job)
Windies t20 winners
Add Sri Lanka as the 4th team, for me this is more appealing and justifies the event rather than the other money making circus with no real objective

That sounds nice, but the problem is that it is based on the assumption that ECB are being run by a bunch of monkeys.

There is no way they would prefer a series with bog average sides like Pakistan, West Indies and Sri Lanka over a series with elite sides like India and Australia.

 

[Manunited18]

That sounds nice, but the problem is that it is based on the assumption that ECB are being run by a bunch of monkeys.

There is no way they would prefer a series with bog average sides like Pakistan, West Indies and Sri Lanka over a series with elite sides like India and Australia.

Bog average sides? Both hold the respective icc titles.

Sorry to put you in a position to spit your dummy out again

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Just ensure that the 4 teams are the 4 World Cup semifinalists . That should he fair. No need to mention the likes of PAK and, in particular , RSA who were utter rubbish in the tournament.

 

[Mamoon]

Bog average sides? Both hold the respective icc titles.

Sorry to put you in a position to spit your dummy out again

Yes they are bog average sides. Neither of them are good enough to beat England in an ODI series but India and Australia can.

So why should ECB, unless they are run by monkeys, opt to play Pakistan, West Indies and Sri Lanka rather than India and Australia?

If ECB has no ambition and wants easy wins sure. However, I am assuming that a number 1 ranked team and the World Cup holders would want to assert their dominance by beating the best sides.

Moreover, the English fans are going to be excited about the prospects of playing India and Australia. A series with Pakistan, West Indies and Sri Lanka would bore their pants off.

 

[Manunited18]

Yes they are bog average sides. Neither of them are good enough to beat England in an ODI series but India and Australia can.

So why should ECB, unless they are run by monkeys, opt to play Pakistan, West Indies and Sri Lanka rather than India and Australia?

If ECB has no ambition and wants easy wins sure. However, I am assuming that a number 1 ranked team and the World Cup holders would want to assert their dominance by beating the best sides.

Moreover, the English fans are going to be excited about the prospects of playing India and Australia. A series with Pakistan, West Indies and Sri Lanka would bore their pants off.

"Bore their pants off", CLASH OF THE CHAMPIONS sounds more appealing

 

[Manunited18]

Just ensure that the 4 teams are the 4 World Cup semifinalists . That should he fair. No need to mention the likes of PAK and, in particular , RSA who were utter rubbish in the tournament.

So we're India, when it mattered they chocked, kohlis impressive run in the icc knock out games with the bat continued

 

[Nikhil_cric]

So we're India, when it mattered they chocked, kohlis impressive run in the icc knock out games with the bat continued

Despite all that we still reached the final four and when we have a series of the top 4 teams , these are the 4 best currently. Better than teams that choked in their very first match against borderline minnows within a total of 40 overs.