Australia step outside of their home and..........

[Abdul]

Yes, I know. They only lost by six runs.

If we look at the bigger picture, they were almost saved by a freak innings.

Pakistan is labeled as a team who only does well in the UAE.

I reckon same can be said about other teams also?

 

[Snatch]

That was one incredible innings but Australian batting looks brittle without Warner and Smith.

 

[Pollack]

No Warner and smith! Hence.

 

[160KPH]

For some reason Australian has scored under 200 the last two times they played on this ground as well. Not sure what it is about it, but they haven't performed here lately. Expect them to bounce back though.

 

[Snatch]

For some reason Australian has scored under 200 the last two times they played on this ground as well. Not sure what it is about it, but they haven't performed here lately. Expect them to bounce back though.

It's almost like they're spooked by the short boundaries

 

[Abdul]

No Warner and smith! Hence.

Yeah, right. Let's see what they'll do against Ashwin and Jadeja.

 

[Pollack]

Yeah, right. Let's see what they'll do against Ashwin and Jadeja.

In Odi's they will do better everywhere. In tests they would be sitting ducks.

 

[sarthak]

Yeah, right. Let's see what they'll do against Ashwin and Jadeja.

We are talking about LOIs here, right? If Indian pitches are as flat as they were in the England ODI series, Smith and Warner could still create havoc.

At a broader level, there is hardly any team in int'l cricket that has battery of match winners (perhaps England is an exception). Most rely on 2-3 players to anchor their victories and if you rest them, then they would no doubt be susceptible. Otherwise, don't really think there is anything in the pitch and NZ conditions that would be alien for an Aus side to compete in?

 

[Pantani]

Yes, I know. They only lost by six runs.

If we look at the bigger picture, they were almost saved by a freak innings.

Pakistan is labeled as a team who only does well in the UAE.

I reckon same can be said about other teams also?

This is an Australian side missing its best three batsmen though

How would Pakistan fare without Babar and Sharjeel?

 

[Pantani]

Yeah, right. Let's see what they'll do against Ashwin and Jadeja.

Australia are the best team in the world in 50 over cricket, 5-0 loss to South Africa notwithstanding.

 

[Convict]

Yes, I know. They only lost by six runs.

If we look at the bigger picture, they were almost saved by a freak innings.

Pakistan is labeled as a team who only does well in the UAE.

I reckon same can be said about other teams also?

No Warner or Smith? A batsman who has never represented his state before? A part time keeper who dropped several catches?

Won our last ODI series in England, won in Sri Lanka, won in the UAE.

I accept the attacks on our test team but this is a dubious and rather long bow you are drawing

 

[Fahdi]

The thing is Pakistan does not do well even in the UAE. We were whitewashed by Australia in the UAE, lost 4-1 to England and SA the last time they played there and also lost to NZ.

Besides this was by no means a full strength Australia side.

In ODI cricket the good teams are competitive everywhere since the recipe seems to be the same i.e high scoring matches and flat wickets. England won a match in India, scored 350 in the first match and almost chased down 380 in the second match. NZ played a very high scoring and competitive series in England the last time around. The home teams are almost always the favorite to win but it is important to compete and at least play the right brand of cricket. We are struggling to score 300 on pitches where 350 is achievable.

 

[MenInG]

No one forced Australia to send an under strength side

Besides they have bench strength far beyond the dreams of many so what happened today?

The next game should answer that question well

 

[Pantani]

No one forced Australia to send an under strength side

Besides they have bench strength far beyond the dreams of many so what happened today?

The next game should answer that question well

The scheduling did force their hand, to be fair, it is not a bad selection policy to withdraw your best three batsmen so that they can prepare for a tough tour of India coming up. They're much better off preparing for that challenge than playing ODIs in New Zealand or T20s against Sri Lanka, particularly given how badly Australia have batted in subcontinent tours in recent years.

I think in cricket with the scheduling the way it is, we are approaching a situation similar to football. A big Premier League side might decide to send out a team made up of reserves and young players in a League Cup or FA Cup match so that the main players can stay fit and focused on the Premier League or Champions League match that's slotted in for three days later. Cricket is becoming like that too, Australia are better off sending an under strength side for a meaningless bilateral series against New Zealand and saving their best players for the much more important test tour of India.

 

[Syed1]

Well us Pakistanis are in no position to take pot-shots at any side. We lost to freaking Zimbabwe not too long ago.

That being said most teams are pretty mediocre when travelling abroad, except maybe South Africa.

 

[Hasan123]

Agree with Convict. Attack there test team for poor away performances but in LO they are very good in all conditions. Beat England, Sri Lanka, and won the tri series in the West Indies.

Formidable LO unit.

 

[Buffet]

Pakistan is labeled as a team who only does well in the UAE.

I reckon same can be said about other teams also?

If you are talking about ODI then ,

Pakistan in UAE in the last 4 years W/L = 0.6
Aus outside of Aus in the last 4 years W/L = 1.0

Statements are somewhat true for the test format, but not the ODI format. In ODI, all teams have not done well at home and Aus has not done bad away.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Australia are brilliant in ODIs everywhere. In recent times, we have been a rubbish ODI team even in the UAE

 

[MMHS]

AUS is a brilliant ODI side, almost a level above any other team (I know that 5-0). The Auckland ODI actually tells how good AUS in ODI is.

If they pick their best XV, I back AUS to win all 20 Series (against 9 Test team & AFG) both home & away - if there is 5 ODI in every series. Apparently, they don't have any weakness in that team - bowling, batting, fielding, game sense, mental toughness - now they have a good leggi as well. There is a small crack in this team, that it's batting can be a brittle sometimes - through that window (& without the presence of their 3 best batsmen - Smith, Warner & the WK), Kiwis got them at 66/6, chasing 285 - still, it took a stupidity from AUS No. 10 & 11 to lose it by one shot with 3 overs at hand - that should be indicative enough how good this side is.

Only way, I see to beat this AUS side is to play on low scoring wickets & put them in - may be sometimes they'll get bowled out for below per score. In last 5 years, AUS has lost 3 active matches more or less with 1st team - SAF at WACA, NZ in WC & PAK at MCG - all 3 had same pattern.

 

[Hasan123]

AUS is a brilliant ODI side, almost a level above any other team (I know that 5-0). The Auckland ODI actually tells how good AUS in ODI is.

If they pick their best XV, I back AUS to win all 20 Series (against 9 Test team & AFG) both home & away - if there is 5 ODI in every series. Apparently, they don't have any weakness in that team - bowling, batting, fielding, game sense, mental toughness - now they have a good leggi as well. There is a small crack in this team, that it's batting can be a brittle sometimes - through that window (& without the presence of their 3 best batsmen - Smith, Warner & the WK), Kiwis got them at 66/6, chasing 285 - still, it took a stupidity from AUS No. 10 & 11 to lose it by one shot with 3 overs at hand - that should be indicative enough how good this side is.

Only way, I see to beat this AUS side is to play on low scoring wickets & put them in - may be sometimes they'll get bowled out for below per score. In last 5 years, AUS has lost 3 active matches more or less with 1st team - SAF at WACA, NZ in WC & PAK at MCG - all 3 had same pattern.

Agreed but next 2 icc tournaments are in England so don't expect any bowling type pitches to be produced.

 

[MMHS]

Agreed but next 2 icc tournaments are in England so don't expect any bowling type pitches to be produced.

But, it'll be early May-June - if it's cloudy, ball will swing there. Also, I think, ODI wicket will change a bit by 2019 - this slog feast is becoming monotonous & boring. I think, we'll see 275-300 per score matches (which is 250 per 15 years back, considering the size of playing area now). Definitely, it'll not be 350 wickets for sure & teams will need to start carefully to avoid all-out in 45 overs. Batting technique these days are at such low level that a little movement off the wicket or in air, you'll find teams at 57/5; therefore I don't think next WC (& this CT) will be like recent ODIs in UK.

 

[PakLFC]

No reason for us to care. Them losing by six runs doesn't justify the thrashing dished out to us. They may have some problems abroad but generally are still way better then us on their travels.

 

[Haz95]

But, it'll be early May-June - if it's cloudy, ball will swing there. Also, I think, ODI wicket will change a bit by 2019 - this slog feast is becoming monotonous & boring. I think, we'll see 275-300 per score matches (which is 250 per 15 years back, considering the size of playing area now). Definitely, it'll not be 350 wickets for sure & teams will need to start carefully to avoid all-out in 45 overs. Batting technique these days are at such low level that a little movement off the wicket or in air, you'll find teams at 57/5; therefore I don't think next WC (& this CT) will be like recent ODIs in UK.

What you almost did there was explain why batsmen over yesteryears are miles better than todays and that bowlers of today aren't of that level of the older gen ones. Any bowler with even the slightest movement can nullify todays FTBs...only thing preventing such is the pitches of today... This is why the 2010 onwards era has been perhaps the worst in cricket history...prolly will only just get worse.

 

[HitWicket]

But, it'll be early May-June - if it's cloudy, ball will swing there. Also, I think, ODI wicket will change a bit by 2019 - this slog feast is becoming monotonous & boring. I think, we'll see 275-300 per score matches (which is 250 per 15 years back, considering the size of playing area now). Definitely, it'll not be 350 wickets for sure & teams will need to start carefully to avoid all-out in 45 overs. Batting technique these days are at such low level that a little movement off the wicket or in air, you'll find teams at 57/5; therefore I don't think next WC (& this CT) will be like recent ODIs in UK.

The champions trophy and world cup will both be played in June with the world cup stretching over into July. Scores in England in June in ODIs the last 2 years :

England v New Zealand :

408/9 vs 198ao
365/9 vs 398/5
302/10 vs 306/7
350/3 vs 349/7
283/9 vs 192/7 (DL, 25 overs)

England v Sri Lanka
286/8 vs 286/9
256/0 (chased in 34 overs) vs 254/7
309/4 (chased in 40 overs) vs 305/5

 

[MMHS]

The champions trophy and world cup will both be played in June with the world cup stretching over into July. Scores in England in June in ODIs the last 2 years :

England v New Zealand :

408/9 vs 198ao
365/9 vs 398/5
302/10 vs 306/7
350/3 vs 349/7
283/9 vs 192/7 (DL, 25 overs)

England v Sri Lanka
286/8 vs 286/9
256/0 (chased in 34 overs) vs 254/7
309/4 (chased in 40 overs) vs 305/5

I am aware of the scores in ENG for last 2 years, but not in this details. I don't think CL/WC will be such high scoring. ECB tried to change their ODI strategy & over did a bit with every thing in terms of batting - I think, games will be more balanced than last WC. Also, teams will be more prepared for the condition - I felt most teams were caught a bit off guard with the change of English ODI wickets, hence they went for a typical English condition attack. Next WC, I am sure teams will go with 40 solid overs from genuine bowlers.

15 matches are scheduled in CT2017 - I don't think too many'll produce 600+ scores; may be 3/4/5; but it won't be 350 slog feast for sure.

 

[MenInG]

2-0 loss to New Zealand and counting

 

[HateKiller]

...and they give good account of themselves.

 

[MenInG]

...and they give good account of themselves.

Check the final result

No marks for trying hard

 

[MRSN]

Agree with Convict. Attack there test team for poor away performances but in LO they are very good in all conditions. Beat England, Sri Lanka, and won the tri series in the West Indies.

Formidable LO unit.

they whitewashed us in T20s and ODIs in UAE as well. and they had a very competitive series in India as well. Definitely Their ODI side cannot be compared to any other side when it comes to outside home.

 

[MRSN]

2-0 loss to New Zealand and counting

sometimes results don't matter. They are trying new players and resting experienced players which is always a good sign especially for a series like this.

 

[Gilly]

I'm guessing this thread is to try and ease the pain.

 

[Convict]

This thread reeks of desperation tbh

At least wait for 4-0 in India

 

[pakistani pride]

LOL. No smith and warner. Take out kane and taylor and would have been 0 - 2.

Aus r the champions. They try new faces unlike us!

 

[Jabo]

Lol

Pakistan fans cheering as if this is some victory for us

Aus are currently a weak side compared to some of the past series we've played with them

And we got WRECKED

that shows how pathetic we still are

No surprise other teams which are better than us are giving Australia a tough time

Plus

No Warner/Smith is pretty big

Pathetic thread because we know what OP intentions were

 

[MRSN]

LOL. No smith and warner. Take out kane and taylor and would have been 0 - 2.

Aus r the champions. They try new faces unlike us!

instead of learning from the thrashings we received in NZ and Australia we are trying to mask it by highlighting Australia losing in NZ. It's very ironic.

 

[MenInG]

No one is praising Pakistan

I am simply pointing out what happens when teams step outside their comfort zones

Pakistan's ODI problems will not be fixed by Australia losing but people need to understand the tough task we have to win away from home with a mediocre team as well

 

[Sidilicious]

SO a 2-0 loss, out of which 1 was really close and the other was no one sided contest either, has now made Aus a laughing stock?

If this thread was for the test side, I would have understood. But this thread is for the LOI side, where Aus are one of the best. How many teams would be half as successful without their top 3 players?

Eng without Morgan, Buttler and Root?
NZ without Williamson, Taylor and Boult?
Ind without Kohli, Bumrah and Dhoni?
Pak without Sharjeel, Babar and Amir?
SA without AB, DeKock and Rabada?

Also there JAMOODIs, will never give a complete reflection of a team's strength. A lot of teams, especially, the stronger ones will rotate players and give the bench a chance.

 

[Pantani]

Like [MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION] says, you all should at least wait for the upcoming whitewash in India to sink the knives in

I am quite confident Australia will put up an excellent performance in the Champions Trophy - losing finalists, at least.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Have we stooped so low that we are now point scoring on losses incurred to other teams?? Is this the Pakistani cricket legacy we are all so proud off today ??

Is this the legacy that Imran, Wasim, Javed, Waqar and players like Inzi and Shoaib taught us for ??

I hate to say this but our cricketing forefathers such as Hanif, Fazal and Kardar would be rolling in their graves right now; a truly sad state of affairs for hearing such unsportsman like remarks from a few of the fellow posters - we are in a rut right now because of our own short comings and no amount of ridicule towards other cricketing teams would solve our problems.

We play professional sports to the best competitive team in the World. I am sorry to say but excuses like these are for people who accept failure are and ready to give up at the first sign of hardship - I for one would not like to associate with such defeatist mentality.

I am a product of the 90s and I've learned from my cricketing heroes that no matter how bad things are, you fight and fight till the very end. Either you come out victorious or you get slayed in the battlefield and become legends.

 

[Markhor]

An absolutely meaningless series with no context that will not be remembered a month from now.

The ODI league cannot come soon enough.

 

[aloo paratha]

Have we stooped so low that we are now point scoring on losses incurred to other teams?? Is this the Pakistani cricket legacy we are all so proud off today ??

No... We're just pointing out that usually when Australia seems to go out of it's country, especially in tests, things don't end well for them.

This is a cricket forum, we can discuss lol.

 

[MRSN]

Have we stooped so low that we are now point scoring on losses incurred to other teams?? Is this the Pakistani cricket legacy we are all so proud off today ??

Is this the legacy that Imran, Wasim, Javed, Waqar and players like Inzi and Shoaib taught us for ??

I hate to say this but our cricketing forefathers such as Hanif, Fazal and Kardar would be rolling in their graves right now; a truly sad state of affairs for hearing such unsportsman like remarks from a few of the fellow posters - we are in a rut right now because of our own short comings and no amount of ridicule towards other cricketing teams would solve our problems.

We play professional sports to the best competitive team in the World. I am sorry to say but excuses like these are for people who accept failure are and ready to give up at the first sign of hardship - I for one would not like to associate with such defeatist mentality.

I am a product of the 90s and I've learned from my cricketing heroes that no matter how bad things are, you fight and fight till the very end. Either you come out victorious or you get slayed in the battlefield and become legends.

Quite the sad times indeed for Pakistan cricket. We haven't won a single test series outside UAE in the last 6 years and have not won single ODI series since 2013 and we are making fun of others. quite shocking to see such posts. We just recently won against WI.

 

[Abdullah719]

Quite the sad times indeed for Pakistan cricket. We haven't won a single test series outside UAE in the last 6 years and have not won single ODI series since 2013 and we are making fun of others. quite shocking to see such posts. We just recently won against WI.

Factually incorrect on both accounts.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

Quite the sad times indeed for Pakistan cricket. We haven't won a single test series outside UAE in the last 6 years and have not won single ODI series since 2013 and we are making fun of others. quite shocking to see such posts. We just recently won against WI.

We defeated Srilanka at their home in both ODI and Test Series in 2015.

 

[MRSN]

Factually incorrect on both accounts.

We defeated Srilanka at their home in both ODI and Test Series in 2015.

oh I forgot our favorite punching bag.

 

[Abdullah719]

oh I forgot our favorite punching bag.

Then you should add a disclaimer saying that certain teams/series don't count.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

No one is praising Pakistan

I am simply pointing out what happens when teams step outside their comfort zones

Pakistan's ODI problems will not be fixed by Australia losing but people need to understand the tough task we have to win away from home with a mediocre team as well

Actually SA and NZ are comfort zones for Australia. They have had a historically good record there in LOI's but both places they've struggled with current team. They definitely aren't the same team they were in 2015 world cup.

 

[MMHS]

Actually SA and NZ are comfort zones for Australia. They have had a historically good record there in LOI's but both places they've struggled with current team. They definitely aren't the same team they were in 2015 world cup.

If Smith, Warner, Khawaja & that WK (I always forget his name some how) were there - AUS would have won both ODI inside 45 overs & at least half the wickets at hand.

I put it other way - take out Kohli, MS, Rohit & this Kedar guy or take out Sharjeel, Babar, Imad & Sarfu or take out Tamim, Sabbir, Mushi & Sakib or take out Root, Butler, Stokes & Moeen or take out De Kok, Amla, AB & JP or .................

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">One for Ian Chappell. Australia last 8 away ODIs:<br>Lost<br>Lost<br>Lost<br>Lost<br>Lost<br>Lost<br>Abandoned<br>Lost<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/828250457697026048">February 5, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[street cricketer]

I think slow sticky wickets are probably the only wickets where they will struggle in LOIs. They are a gun ODI side pretty much everywhere.

Although I think they need to do away with this experimenting thing (I know this one was forced). Seems to be not working at the moment.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

If Smith, Warner, Khawaja & that WK (I always forget his name some how) were there - AUS would have won both ODI inside 45 overs & at least half the wickets at hand.

I put it other way - take out Kohli, MS, Rohit & this Kedar guy or take out Sharjeel, Babar, Imad & Sarfu or take out Tamim, Sabbir, Mushi & Sakib or take out Root, Butler, Stokes & Moeen or take out De Kok, Amla, AB & JP or .................

Warner Smith played in SA didn't they? Australia still got blanked 0-5. So while I agree that they would have made a difference, I don't think you can say with surety that they would have won it 2-0 based on how they dominate in Australia.

 

[MMHS]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">One for Ian Chappell. Australia last 8 away ODIs:<br>Lost<br>Lost<br>Lost<br>Lost<br>Lost<br>Lost<br>Abandoned<br>Lost<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/828250457697026048">February 5, 2017</a></blockquote>
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They should stop touring before improving their game - already has chickened out from Tiger threats............

 

[MMHS]

Warner Smith played in SA didn't they? Australia still got blanked 0-5. So while I agree that they would have made a difference, I don't think you can say with surety that they would have won it 2-0 based on how they dominate in Australia.

That tells how good SAF is at their home - almost toying with Lanka now & couple of years back beat a very good Indian side 2-0 with telling margin every time (would have won the 3-0 barring rain). I think, SAF has demolished most teams at home in last 4/5 years.

Their problem is choking in big occasions - for something that's actually make them almost unbeatable in bilateral series. 10 years back, they beat that AUS side chasing 440 & won that series 3-2 from 0-2. What SAF does is they over prepare for their games - plans, counter plans, strategies, process, lap tops, palm tops, ear plugs, ....... what not. This makes them extremely efficient when things are under control - but this actually makes them too rigid, tense & extremely shaky when it comes to big matches (more than match occasions) - first sign of anything going out of play book - they just leave the contest. This is my only explanation for this team, which should have at least halved AUS's world titles in last 20 years.

So far from 1992, every WC, SAF had been knocked out in a way that such pro & prepared teams shouldn't - 1992 might be a bit unlucky (but they deserved that, I explained some where else - deliberately bowled 5 overs less, unless would have chased 310 in 50 overs); in 1996 they dropped Donald to pick Symcox for his batting & off spin (irony is that 80% WI scores were done by lefties); in 1999 because of dropping a dolly & then goofing up in last over; in 2003 it's because of mis-calculation of all. In 2011, they became over cautious of a target that 9 times out of 10, they would have chased in 40 overs, while in 2015 this team lost for their drop catches & abundance of wides & no balls !!!!!

This only tells me that, they over cook things at preparation & take the human part (natural ability to react in a changing plot) out of the equation. May be, appointing a Pakistani or Indian coach will help them to find their natural self - and I am not joking. This well oiled machine needs a human touch, who makes mistakes & more importantly not afraid of making mistakes.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

That tells how good SAF is at their home - almost toying with Lanka now & couple of years back beat a very good Indian side 2-0 with telling margin every time (would have won the 3-0 barring rain). I think, SAF has demolished most teams at home in last 4/5 years.

India usually perform quite poorly in LOI's at SA, 2011 was an exception where we could have sneaked in a win but it wasn't to be.

Australia however have a good record in SA and this was a complete thumping that they got. Whichever way you put it, Aus in its current form have become a poor LOI side away. Their batting isn't the same force as its at home.

SA, Eng and India have better shot at CT than no.1 ranked Aus tbh.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Warner Smith played in SA didn't they? Australia still got blanked 0-5. So while I agree that they would have made a difference, I don't think you can say with surety that they would have won it 2-0 based on how they dominate in Australia.

What was their bowling lineup?

 

[Convict]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">One for Ian Chappell. Australia last 8 away ODIs:<br>Lost<br>Lost<br>Lost<br>Lost<br>Lost<br>Lost<br>Abandoned<br>Lost<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/828250457697026048">February 5, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Yeah. We only played 5 of those games with a third string attack using the likes of Worrall and Tremain and Mennie who have horrible domestic OD records.

 

[Convict]

Warner Smith played in SA didn't they? Australia still got blanked 0-5. So while I agree that they would have made a difference, I don't think you can say with surety that they would have won it 2-0 based on how they dominate in Australia.

The series demonstrably showed that a full strength Australia would have beaten NZ easily.

Add Smith, Warner and Mitch Marsh to the batting.

and don't use Handscomb as the wicketkeeper.

Australia dropped about five catches in the first game, played with half of our best batting lineup missing and still only lost by 6 runs.

 

[R0H1T]

The series demonstrably showed that a full strength Australia would have beaten NZ easily.

Add Smith, Warner and Mitch Marsh to the batting.

and don't use Handscomb as the wicketkeeper.

Australia dropped about five catches in the first game, played with half of our best batting lineup missing and still only lost by 6 runs.

You could also argue that with a full strength batting side, there would be no Stoinis featuring in the series, without him the games wouldn't even be close. Though I agree with the sentiment that a full strength Aus would beat NZ home & away, not necessarily wipe them away but still win the series, SA however is a much tougher opponent in SA as is India in India.

 

[Convict]

You could also argue that with a full strength batting side, there would be no Stoinis featuring in the series, without him the games wouldn't even be close. Though I agree with the sentiment that a full strength Aus would beat NZ home & away, not necessarily wipe them away but still win the series, SA however is a much tougher opponent in SA as is India in India.

Perhaps but the Saffers certainly wouldn't win 5-0 and we did beat them 4-1 over here with two full strength sides as recently as 2015.

Australia's ODI team has a pretty good record in India. If its a seven match series in India again most likely result is 4-3 either way.

 

[R0H1T]

Perhaps but the Saffers certainly wouldn't win 5-0 and we did beat them 4-1 over here with two full strength sides as recently as 2015.

Australia's ODI team has a pretty good record in India. If its a seven match series in India again most likely result is 4-3 either way.

It'd likely be 3-2 in SA favor if they are able to close out a tight game or two, same with India in India. These series are usually decided by how close games go but not every time. The Faulkner blitz saved Aus the blushes in Mohali, otherwise it'd have been a thumping win for India in that series. One could also argue that if MJ was playing the last (or last two?) games the series may have been drawn.

 

[hitthestump]

I'm guessing this thread is to try and ease the pain.

The comments by Chappell were pretty stupid so i'm perfectly happy to acknowledge the egg swiftly positioning itself on his facial region.

 

[Syed1]

Yeah. We only played 5 of those games with a third string attack using the likes of Worrall and Tremain and Mennie who have horrible domestic OD records.

Is that the opposition's fault?

 

[Gilly]

The comments by Chappell were pretty stupid so i'm perfectly happy to acknowledge the egg swiftly positioning itself on his facial region.

I dont think Chappelli would even remember what he said, you need to let it go and stop living in the past.

Even though I think Chappelli would be chuffed that comments he made have such a big impact on someone because Australians dont really pay much attention to him.

 

[Convict]

The comments by Chappell were pretty stupid so i'm perfectly happy to acknowledge the egg swiftly positioning itself on his facial region.

The comments were stupid but given Chappell has no formal involvement or affiliation with the current Australian team it doesn't embarrass him at all.

Is that the opposition's fault?

Did I suggest it was?

But given our best team frequently does perform away from home in the ODIs, using deliberately weakened sides due to the selectors indifference to the result to try and claim that the Australian best XI can't play away from home is pathetically desperate.

 

[Gilly]

Shoaib Akhtar said Pakistan were better than Australia in all formats, sounds like he was right.

 

[JaDed]

Looks like Aus 2nd string isnt as good as first team of other countries anymore.

 

[Hawkeye]

Australia in Tests = one of the worst teams in the world at the moment. Lost at home, loses everywhere else already.

Australia in ODIS = Brilliant, competitive almost everywhere.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

What was their bowling lineup?

Bowling wasn't the only reason they performed poorly in that series.

Of course Australia have been trying out different combinations in batting and bowling departments but it just shows that their bench strength isn't ready yet to continue from where the 2015 side that looked unbeatable.

The series demonstrably showed that a full strength Australia would have beaten NZ easily.

Add Smith, Warner and Mitch Marsh to the batting.

and don't use Handscomb as the wicketkeeper.

Australia dropped about five catches in the first game, played with half of our best batting lineup missing and still only lost by 6 runs.

On paper Australia do seem a better side but you cant come to a conclusion that result would have been otherwise had x y or z played.

You can't possibly justify losing 7 of the last 8 ODI's because of chopping and changing the sides. Every team does that these days.

 

[Convict]

Bowling wasn't the only reason they performed poorly in that series.

Of course Australia have been trying out different combinations in batting and bowling departments but it just shows that their bench strength isn't ready yet to continue from where the 2015 side that looked unbeatable.



On paper Australia do seem a better side but you cant come to a conclusion that result would have been otherwise had x y or z played.

You can't possibly justify losing 7 of the last 8 ODI's because of chopping and changing the sides. Every team does that these days.

If you choose to believe that sure.

 

[Abdullah719]

A moderate first day on the India tour... let's see how they go on Day 2!

 

[Convict]

Going a bit better than most people here hoped.

 

[Abdullah719]

A moderate first day on the India tour... let's see how they go on Day 2!

Quite a bit better than I was expecting.

 

[TestMatch]

I went to bed expecting India to be cruising to a first innings lead.

I woke up to find Australia batting.

The world makes no sense, but it is glorious.

 

[zn426]

I went to bed expecting India to be cruising to a first innings lead.

I woke up to find Australia batting.

The world makes no sense, but it is glorious.

I was in shock. In what world is India all out for 105? Good chance Australia could win this by an innings.

 

[nighthawk23]

This is the major flaw with the 5 bowler strategy. If your batsmen don't all click, it comes back to bite you in the rear end.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

I went to bed expecting India to be cruising to a first innings lead.

I woke up to find Australia batting.

The world makes no sense, but it is glorious.

Haha...isn't it the reflection of life?

Nothing is certain no matter how obvious anything seems.

 

[King Kong]

India is still in this game. Bowlers need to step up in the morning session to give a target not less than 360 for the batsmen. Kohli can score 150 or even 200 in the final innings.

 

[Abdullah719]

and... beat India.