Australia strong at home in Test series - the myth (2011-2021)

[deep82]

This is a joke thread.

OP is beating around bush with his 'series stat' when other posters have busted the myth easily.

England dropped tests to mid table teams like Westindies, SL and even Pakistan. I can't call that home demolation. Yes, they won or draw series but the contest have been very even between all teams.

On the other hand Austarlia has lost to ATG team from both Indian and South Africa. Rest, they have demolished without breaking any sweat.

This is very easy to understand. Many posters have already posted the same thing but OP with his malicious agenda is going around same thing.

OP is obviously hurts since his team isn't good enough and is in a plie of mediocrity so reverting back to next best option of defaming other team great achievements. In some other thread, I called this crab mentality. - you yourself are not good enough so lets pull some other down to feel good.

 

[BreadPakoda]

You seem clearly rattled by Indian fans constantly bringing up the recent win down under but the magnitude of that win was such that it won't be forgotten in years. India B team under a makeshift captain beating full strength Australia at their decades old fortress and winning the series...who could have imagined that?

What decade old fortress?

Australia has lost every 4th game at Gabba if we consider last 4 years record.

 

[Amjid Javed]

No. But these stats prove that it is much harder to win even a single test in Australia. Teams like England and NZ have won not even a single test since 2012 in Australia.

If we do one for teams performance in England,

Aus - 4 wins
SA - 3
Pak - 3
Ind - 2
Windies - 2
NZ - 1
SL - 1

So, everyone has won something or other in England. It is not hard at all to beat England in England. But when you look at same for Aus in Aus, I will repeat for you again here( my hands are paining so I will copy from above):-

India - 4 wins
SA - 3 wins
Eng - 0 wins
NZ - 0 wins
Pak - 0 wins
SL - 0 wins
WI - 0 wins
Bangladesh - 0 wins
Zimbabwe - 0 wins

Everyone's machine is yet to open except India and South Africa.

This proves it is far more harder to beat Aus in Aus than Eng in England. Another way of looking it is if you look at their head to head record, it is 13-5 in Australia favour since 2013.

So Aussies have won 4 tests in england since 2012 more than any other team.

How many Ashes series have they won in england in that time? 0 wins, 1 drawn series

Pakistan have won 3 tests, 1 less than Australia. Yet have have 2 drawn series

SL with least win 1 - have won won 1 series.

So again highlights my point on invidiuals wins being meaningless. Unles ur drawing or winning a series.

 

[street cricketer]

I feel we should give credit to Pak posters in this forum who take the fight to India bravely every day even if the Indian team is on a different league to the Pakistani team.

It's easy to do it when Pakistan had a better team in the past or a team of similar calibre, that's like flat track bullying. But to do in the most difficult conditions when India has seemingly progressed to the next level still takes the most courage and is like performing on a green top, which should be appreciated.

 

[deep82]

I feel we should give credit to Pak posters in this forum who take the fight to India bravely every day even if the Indian team is on a different league to the Pakistani team.

It's easy to do it when Pakistan had a better team in the past or a team of similar calibre, that's like flat track bullying. But to do in the most difficult conditions when India has seemingly progressed to the next level still takes the most courage and is like performing on a green top, which should be appreciated.

Yes, exactly.

Such fans are deeply affected. They are delusional and living in past glory days. They have nothing to enjoy as their team is mediocre and can't compete consistently with big boys so they have to be relevant and come up with some stupid stats to gather small fake happiness. Good for them.

 

[Mesozoic]

What decade old fortress?

Australia has lost every 4th game at Gabba if we consider last 4 years record.

And they call that a fortress. Pathetic !

 

[Amjid Javed]

Who even said it's based just on that?

Most Indian fans still grieve the 2-0 disaster in New Zealand last year. Heck even the 4-1 in England three years ago. So no... Indian fans do care about other results as well as.

You seem clearly rattled by Indian fans constantly bringing up the recent win down under but the magnitude of that win was such that it won't be forgotten in years. India B team under a makeshift captain beating full strength Australia at their decades old fortress and winning the series...who could have imagined that?

There are plenty of posts on this forum by mamoon and other indian fans doing bhangra proclaiming that india is a GOAT team and has nothing to prove.

Yes well done to india on winning in Aus twice.

Yet so many are saying englands easier place to win then Australia. England are struggling against mid table SL Pak and WI.

If thats the case then why have ATG india lost 3-1, 4-0 and 4-1.

It should be easy for india just to turn up and and win in that case. Englands easier than Australia.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Regarding England, alot of the draws in England can be related to the weather, we can get 3 seasons in a day in every given month of the year.

It's not just the weather. England have lost multiple test matches to Pakistan, West Indies and lost series to the likes of Sr Lanka and drawn a series against NZ as well. These teams usually get whitewashed or nearly whitewashed in Australia.When Australia do win at home, they absolutely crush opponents. Also last 2 English Ashes have seen 4 Australian wins whereas the last 2 Aisttalian Ashes, England managed 1 draw and 9 losses.

It is true that winning in Australia has become easier since their greats retired . But it's still probably the toughest place to tour after India.

 

[Hasan123]

Mamoon is right when he says our fans are delusional. Australia are strong at home. Don't care about your stats. They are losing to good teams at home, they don't drop tests against Sri Lanka,West Indies,and New Zealand like Pakistan have done in this 10 year time frame OP is referring too.

 

[Ab Fan]

So Aussies have won 4 tests in england since 2012 more than any other team.

How many Ashes series have they won in england in that time? 0 wins, 1 drawn series

Pakistan have won 3 tests, 1 less than Australia. Yet have have 2 drawn series

SL with least win 1 - have won won 1 series.

So again highlights my point on invidiuals wins being meaningless. Unles ur drawing or winning a series.

Winning a 2 test series is not same as winning a 4-5 test series. Australia ended up their last two away tours in England at 2-2 and 3-2 which is excellent and at home they are 9-0(10) vs England. Look how dominant they have been against England in their overall last 4 series( 2 at home and 2 away).

Pakistan were very good in England in 2016 but drawing 1-1 in England in 2018 isn't the same. Fact is even Windies have won tests in England so how exactly England are dominant at home. India have underperformed in England as per their standards but they have done well everywhere else and unbelievably dominant at home.

England simply haven't and it is visible that in last 9 years, they lost 16 tests at home. Australia lost only 7 and India lost only 2 tests( 4 if we count that home series vs England).

Going by definition of being dominant at home, clearly India are miles ahead followed by Australia and NZ and England are far behind.

 

[JattMaula]

Do wins against Australia count?

 

[Amjid Javed]

Do wins against Australia count?

Yes they do and performance else where do aswell.

Yet all we hear is india lost in nz sa and eng because of the toss.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Winning a 2 test series is not same as winning a 4-5 test series. Australia ended up their last two away tours in England at 2-2 and 3-2 which is excellent and at home they are 9-0(10) vs England. Look how dominant they have been against England in their overall last 4 series( 2 at home and 2 away).

Pakistan were very good in England in 2016 but drawing 1-1 in England in 2018 isn't the same. Fact is even Windies have won tests in England so how exactly England are dominant at home. India have underperformed in England as per their standards but they have done well everywhere else and unbelievably dominant at home.

England simply haven't and it is visible that in last 9 years, they lost 16 tests at home. Australia lost only 7 and India lost only 2 tests( 4 if we count that home series vs England).

Going by definition of being dominant at home, clearly India are miles ahead followed by Australia and NZ and England are far behind.

India are the only dominant test team at home.

Eng and NZ are strong home sidea.

Aus just bully the lesser sides at home and are no way as gud as they use to be at home.

India have struggled in NZ and SA to so not just england. Until that changes they still have to prove themselves away from home.

 

[deep82]

It's not just the weather. England have lost multiple test matches to Pakistan, West Indies and lost series to the likes of Sr Lanka and drawn a series against NZ as well. These teams usually get whitewashed or nearly whitewashed in Australia.When Australia do win at home, they absolutely crush opponents. Also last 2 English Ashes have seen 4 Australian wins whereas the last 2 Aisttalian Ashes, England managed 1 draw and 9 losses.

It is true that winning in Australia has become easier since their greats retired . But it's still probably the toughest place to tour after India.

Yes, HOME DOMINATION means teams are mentally scarred to tour there and generally get whitewashed or lose badly. Australia and India are prime example of this.

The there are good Home teams like NZ and England which they are very good in.They know the conditions and ultra competitive. They will win generally most of the times. But nobody is scared of touring these places as proven by many mid table teams before.

I hope OP can get this simple message. If he still bushing about his "series won- series lost" theory then he mostly watches cricket on cricinfo statmeter.

 

[Ab Fan]

Yes they do and performance else where do aswell.

Yet all we hear is india lost in nz sa and eng because of the toss.

Basically, you are looking at England as dominant at home based on only their performance vs India.

But I am defining a team to be dominant at home based on their overall performance at home against all teams and this is where the difference is.

England have 16 losses at home in last 9 years, Australia have 7 and India have 4( including the England series which barely makes it into the cutoff). You can decide now!

 

[Mesozoic]

There are plenty of posts on this forum by mamoon and other indian fans doing bhangra proclaiming that india is a GOAT team and has nothing to prove.

*GOAT Asian team.

No Indian fan on PP is that delusional to claim we're better than 80s WI and 00s Australia. And I'm not sure if anyone even stated that we have nothing to prove , but we certainly have a lot to..

 

[Amjid Javed]

Winning a 2 test series is not same as winning a 4-5 test series. Australia ended up their last two away tours in England at 2-2 and 3-2 which is excellent and at home they are 9-0(10) vs England. Look how dominant they have been against England in their overall last 4 series( 2 at home and 2 away).

Pakistan were very good in England in 2016 but drawing 1-1 in England in 2018 isn't the same. Fact is even Windies have won tests in England so how exactly England are dominant at home. India have underperformed in England as per their standards but they have done well everywhere else and unbelievably dominant at home.

England simply haven't and it is visible that in last 9 years, they lost 16 tests at home. Australia lost only 7 and India lost only 2 tests( 4 if we count that home series vs England).

Going by definition of being dominant at home, clearly India are miles ahead followed by Australia and NZ and England are far behind.

Australia have won atleast 1 test (barring one series) in every Ashes series in the uk since 2005 yet havent won the ashes in the UK. Do you think england fans care about how many tests thet have dropped when they have won those series?

 

[Ab Fan]

Australia have won atleast 1 test (barring one series) in every Ashes series in the uk since 2005 yet havent won the ashes in the UK. Do you think england fans care about how many tests thet have dropped when they have won those series?

England and Aussies fans both care about retaining the Ashes. England didn't retain that last time. It went to Australia because they won at home in the previous series to that one.

England haven't got the Ashes after 2015, so that is something England cares a lot.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Australia have won atleast 1 test (barring one series) in every Ashes series in the uk since 2005 yet havent won the ashes in the UK. Do you think england fans care about how many tests thet have dropped when they have won those series?

They probably don't care and I can understand why.

Losing even a single test matters to teams that are dominant at home. Teams such as India and Australia. Ask any Indian how he feels about the Pune or the recent Chennai loss.

 

[deep82]

Basically, you are looking at England as dominant at home based on only their performance vs India.

But I am defining a team to be dominant at home based on their overall performance at home against all teams and this is where the difference is.

England have 16 losses at home in last 9 years, Australia have 7 and India have 4( including the England series which barely makes it into the cutoff). You can decide now!

90% of the posts in this thread are saying the same thing which is most logical but you are expected to find the same answer " series jargon" since OP is repeating the same thing again and again to every poster which is actually devoid of any logic and cricket sense.

 

[Amjid Javed]

*GOAT Asian team.

No Indian fan on PP is that delusional to claim we're better than 80s WI and 00s Australia. And I'm not sure if anyone even stated that we have nothing to prove , but we certainly have a lot to..

There are delusion indian fans on here who think after winninh in Aus they have nothing to prove. Weaker SL have won in eng and SA. So why havent india?

Yet all i hear is oh if we hadnt have lost the toss.

Its pathetic and laughable. You want plaudits for winning in Aus yet when you lose elsewhere you indians cry like sore losers blaming the toss.

Its arrogant and pathetic. Atleast be humble in defeat when it does happen.

 

[Amjid Javed]

They probably don't care and I can understand why.

Losing even a single test matters to teams that are dominant at home. Teams such as India and Australia. Ask any Indian how he feels about the Pune or the recent Chennai loss.

So if pakistan had Australias current home test series record.

And india had englands current home record

2011-2021

Would you tell me that pakistan losing 5 series at hone compared to indias 2 makes them a better side?

Answer honestly!

 

[Amjid Javed]

90% of the posts in this thread are saying the same thing which is most logical but you are expected to find the same answer " series jargon" since OP is repeating the same thing again and again to every poster which is actually devoid of any logic and cricket sense.

Do you think england fans care about any of the test losses in those series that they have won?

 

[Nikhil_cric]

There are delusion indian fans on here who think after winninh in Aus they have nothing to prove. Weaker SL have won in eng and SA. So why havent india?

Yet all i hear is oh if we hadnt have lost the toss.

Its pathetic and laughable. You want plaudits for winning in Aus yet when you lose elsewhere you indians cry like sore losers blaming the toss.

Its arrogant and pathetic. Atleast be humble in defeat when it does happen.

I'm not sure what your point is? I have seen plenty of delusional posters claim that India is a phoney no.1 team because they could did not play a mid ranked side like Pakistan when clearly India is the hardest place to tour and better teams have come here and lost. But that's OK as long as Indian fans dont hold Australian series win as a benchmark which is somehow much more delusional.

 

[deep82]

Do you think england fans care about any of the test losses in those series that they have won?

Maybe not because they expect a tough series against Australia and not a walkover since England is not home conqueror like India or Australia. On the other hand, Australia ruthlessly crushed England in Aus.

For Indian fans, every home defeat hurts. Maybe our expectation are too high. But we take pride in our home record and we expect to demolish every team that is coming over here. We as a fan cannot accept even one defeat ( which is frankly asking for too much).

 

[BreadPakoda]

So if pakistan had Australias current home test series record.

And india had englands current home record

2011-2021

Would you tell me that pakistan losing 5 series at hone compared to indias 2 makes them a better side?

Answer honestly!

I'll take losing a couple of series to the top side and destroying everyone else over losing/drawing series and tests here and there to the likes of West Indies, Sri Lanka, Pakistan.

 

[BreadPakoda]

If I were a rank 2 chess player I would be ok losing to the rank 1 champion but not losing to a variety of lower ranked players every now and then. Latter shows I am just not good/consistent enough. Former shows that I lost to one guy who was just better than me.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Maybe not because they expect a tough series against Australia and not a walkover since England is not home conqueror like India or Australia. On the other hand, Australia ruthlessly crushed England in Aus.

For Indian fans, every home defeat hurts. Maybe our expectation are too high. But we take pride in our home record and we expect to demolish every team that is coming over here. We as a fan cannot accept even one defeat ( which is frankly asking for too much).

Yes india care about winning every game at home thats a good mentality.

Englands mentality will be to beat india and win the Ashes in Aus. They wont care what score they win aslong as they win.

Different mindset but both are those wanting to win series.

Also england are more likely to drop tests at home as conditions are sporting to both sides rather than at times in india like in series just gone where india made conditions ideal to favour themselves.

 

[Geil]

What stat I would really like to know and be very interested in is, how many touring teams have beaten the same home team back to back in a test series in recent times? where teams win so often at home

India has beaten AUS back to back at 2018 and 2020, have any other team achieved this feat? I am sure many teams must have achieved it against low level teams like Ban, Zim, WI & SL who have been declining in recent decade

Apart from them how many of the remaining six teams must have achieved such feat? I dont know but I what really be interested to know such stat

Pak & SA are mid level teams right now so have any other teams achieved such feat against these team in maybe since 2010"s maybe

Can"t really remember since 2010"s whether AUS,Eng,Ind,Pak,NZ or SA have achieved a feat where they have beaten the home team on away tour back to back in a consecutive series away

To my memory only India comes to my mind which is why after beating AUS in AUS I rate this team quite high now and I think they have achieved a great feat

 

[Mesozoic]

Weaker SL have won in eng and SA. So why havent india?.

Ignoring all your emotional vitriol except this part...

1. SL won in England in a 2 match series. A month later, India were leading 1-0 after two games.... I'll just leave it at that.

2. SL won against a weakened SA , that recently lost ABD and Morkel. ABD was instrumental in winning SAF the series against us a year before. If not for him, we'd have won comfortably irrespective of toss.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Ignoring all your emotional vitriol except this part...

1. SL won in England in a 2 match series. A month later, India were leading 1-0 after two games.... I'll just leave it at that.

2. SL won against a weakened SA , that recently lost ABD and Morkel. ABD was instrumental in winning SAF the series against us a year before. If not for him, we'd have won comfortably irrespective of toss.

So you give no credit to SL winning in SA?

Why should india get credit for there 1st win in Aus, players were missing then.

Yet another example of we should give credit to india but why not SL.

This goes back to my point you indians expect plaudits for your series win yet you down play other teams efforts .

Maybe as a pakistan fan i shud say that SL winning in UAE should be ignored because misbah and younis had retired. So thats only reason we lost at home.

You can only play the team infront of you at time. Saying if player x y z was playing or not playing is a poor excuse. Why not just give credit to opposition rather than make excuses.

If pakistan play badly and other team wins i dont make excuses. I know how to be humble in defeat.

Talking about longer series pakistan drew 2-2 in england, yet a stronger indian side couldnt even do that.

Once indian fans quit with excuses when they lose ul soon fine opposition fans show you more respect when you win or lose.

 

[Amjid Javed]

What stat I would really like to know and be very interested in is, how many touring teams have beaten the same home team back to back in a test series in recent times? where teams win so often at home

India has beaten AUS back to back at 2018 and 2020, have any other team achieved this feat? I am sure many teams must have achieved it against low level teams like Ban, Zim, WI & SL who have been declining in recent decade

Apart from them how many of the remaining six teams must have achieved such feat? I dont know but I what really be interested to know such stat

Pak & SA are mid level teams right now so have any other teams achieved such feat against these team in maybe since 2010"s maybe

Can"t really remember since 2010"s whether AUS,Eng,Ind,Pak,NZ or SA have achieved a feat where they have beaten the home team on away tour back to back in a consecutive series away

To my memory only India comes to my mind which is why after beating AUS in AUS I rate this team quite high now and I think they have achieved a great feat

South Africa have won on last 3 tours to Australia.

England have won in SA on last 2 tours.

Those are off top of my head.

So yes indias wins should be seen as good effort.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

What stat I would really like to know and be very interested in is, how many touring teams have beaten the same home team back to back in a test series in recent times? where teams win so often at home

India has beaten AUS back to back at 2018 and 2020, have any other team achieved this feat? I am sure many teams must have achieved it against low level teams like Ban, Zim, WI & SL who have been declining in recent decade

Apart from them how many of the remaining six teams must have achieved such feat? I dont know but I what really be interested to know such stat

Pak & SA are mid level teams right now so have any other teams achieved such feat against these team in maybe since 2010"s maybe

Can"t really remember since 2010"s whether AUS,Eng,Ind,Pak,NZ or SA have achieved a feat where they have beaten the home team on away tour back to back in a consecutive series away

To my memory only India comes to my mind which is why after beating AUS in AUS I rate this team quite high now and I think they have achieved a great feat

Aus beat NZ in NZ 2010 and 2016.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Australia had a pretty long run of wins in SA until last few series.

Usually in sporting conditions between SA ENG AUS NZ you will see alot of away wins over a period of time sometimes.

 

[Geil]

South Africa have won on last 3 tours to Australia.

England have won in SA on last 2 tours.

Those are off top of my head.

So yes indias wins should be seen as good effort.

Aus beat NZ in NZ 2010 and 2016.

So if these stats are true then we could make that since 2010s these are the clear top and consistent teams winning away in these conditions

In AUS: SA & Ind

In SA: Aus & Eng

In NZ: Aus

I thought maybe SA have beaten Eng back to back away but i guess i am wrong

Ind not playing in Pak and also in Ind have put real questions on how dominant Ind & Pak are in their home conditions because IMO clearly Ind and Pak are top two teams in Asian spinning conditions, I know on paper Ind are clear favorites to beat Pak but what I would really be interested is how dominant would Ind perform against Pak, both in Pak & in Ind conditions, I guess will never know it even in this decade

so in Eng no away team have beaten them twice or consecutive time since 2010"s so yes I could agree that if a team can beat Eng, back to back times away then that would be a much greater feat and achievement.

And these stats also shows us that Ind, Eng, Aus & SA have been the top away teams since 2010s

 

[Amjid Javed]

So if these stats are true then we could make that since 2010s these are the clear top and consistent teams winning away in these conditions

In AUS: SA & Ind

In SA: Aus & Eng

In NZ: Aus

I thought maybe SA have beaten Eng back to back away but i guess i am wrong

Ind not playing in Pak and also in Ind have put real questions on how dominant Ind & Pak are in their home conditions because IMO clearly Ind and Pak are top two teams in Asian spinning conditions, I know on paper Ind are clear favorites to beat Pak but what I would really be interested is how dominant would Ind perform against Pak, both in Pak & in Ind conditions, I guess will never know it even in this decade

so in Eng no away team have beaten them twice or consecutive time since 2010"s so yes I could agree that if a team can beat Eng, back to back times away then that would be a much greater feat and achievement.

And these stats also shows us that Ind, Eng, Aus & SA have been the top away teams since 2010s

SA Have won back to back in england 2008 and 2012. But last series played england won at home. So thats why i didnt mention it.

 

[docteurmanish]

Whilst in the past Australia has been a tough place to win test series. Some indian fans raving on about how its most difficult place for touring teams to win in recent times.

2011-2021

Australia 18 Home series

Won 11 drawn 2 lost 5 (61% home series wins)

NZ 21 home series

Won 15 drawn 2 lost 4 (71% home series wins)

England 21 home series

Wins 14 drawn drawn 5 lost 2 (67 % home series wins)

Both NZ and england are tougher places to win then Australia in last 10 years.

5 series losses since 2011 at home is not fortress. England havent lost at home since 2014 in a test series so is a much more diffcult place to win a series then Australia at moment.

Gabba is harder to breach than lords or any British test ground . U need a pujara to take the punches and a pant to counterattack . Aussie rt now is not as dominant as 2000 but still v v tough place

 

[Mesozoic]

The current game shows exactly why this thread is plain stupid and England aren't nearly as dominant at home as Australia. They lost a Test to Windies last summer and are now in all sorts against the kiwis.

This same New Zealand side got absolutely battered when they last toured Australia. But just because two top class Indian and South African sides were able to tame them, folks here had come to a conclusion that they aren't as dominant as England.

 

[Devadwal]

Lol if they are not so strongest at home then why pakistan not draw a single test in last 2 decade in Australia ??

 

[Ab Fan]

Australia have Smith and Cummins.
England have Root and Anderson.

The difference between the two teams is visible with that only. I think the rankings are :-

1. India
2. Australia
3. New Zealand
4. South Africa/ Pakistan/ England

England is basically in same league as Pakistan and South Africa( they will do well now as they have Markram who is established now).

 

[Manunited18]

From 99-2010 Australia were formidable at home with all the champion cricketers they had, So It was impossible to mainten once some of the Greatest cricketers of all time retired .

 

[AuxiliA]

India and Australia are the two toughest places to tour post 2000. No other place comes close. You don't need to dive into stats to figure this out, just look at the teams they have lost to.

1) AUS (in India 2004)- one of the 2 GOAT teams

2) ENG (in Australia 2010, in India 2012)- Best English team of modern times.

3) SA ( in Australia 2008, 2016)- Best SA team ever

4) IND ( in Australia 2018, 2020)- Best Indian bowling attack ever

It takes really really good teams to beat them at home. They don't drop tests to average teams. Hell middle/lower ranked teams find it difficult to even win sessions there let alone tests.

 

[Devadwal]

Australia at home in Test series since December 2016:

Beat PAK (3-0)
Beat ENG (4-0)
Lost to IND (1-2)
Beat SL (2-0)
Beat PAK (2-0)
Beat NZ (3-0)
Lost to IND (1-2)
Beat ENG (4-0)
Beat WI (2-0)
Beat SA (2-0)
They are so strong that apart from india no team won a single test post December 2016

 

[BreadPakoda]

Australia at home in Test series since December 2016:

Beat PAK (3-0)
Beat ENG (4-0)
Lost to IND (1-2)
Beat SL (2-0)
Beat PAK (2-0)
Beat NZ (3-0)
Lost to IND (1-2)
Beat ENG (4-0)
Beat WI (2-0)
Beat SA (2-0)
They are so strong that apart from india no team won a single test post December 2016

But they have lost 2 series since 2016 so they are not strong. #circularlogic

 

[MP2011]

But they have lost 2 series since 2016 so they are not strong. #circularlogic

See the excuses which are being offered on this thread to undermine our twin wins in Australia.,

From 99-2010 Australia were formidable at home with all the champion cricketers they had, So It was impossible to mainten once some of the Greatest cricketers of all time retired

 

[GreenBee]

Current Australian dominance at home can only be matched by ATG sides, and it's apt that only The Greatest Asian Team under Kohli and Shastri outplay them in their own den, even with a C team.

Australia in Australia indeed is the second biggest challenge in Cricket, biggest being beating India in India.

 

[BreadPakoda]

See the excuses which are being offered on this thread to undermine our twin wins in Australia.,

From 99-2010 Australia were formidable at home with all the champion cricketers they had, So It was impossible to mainten once some of the Greatest cricketers of all time retired

Yeah, some people will find all excuses and asterisks to undermine those two epic series wins.

 

[wrongun]

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[wrongun]

Australia at home in Test series since December 2016:

Beat PAK (3-0)
Beat ENG (4-0)
Lost to IND (1-2)
Beat SL (2-0)
Beat PAK (2-0)
Beat NZ (3-0)
Lost to IND (1-2)
Beat ENG (4-0)
Beat WI (2-0)
Beat SA (2-0)
They are so strong that apart from india no team won a single test post December 2016

i think you're leaving out an SA win?

They had a strong team- Steyn, Philander, Rabada, Dumniy, Amla, Faff, De Kock etc. Well suited to our conditions, Abbot bowled really well too. Beat us fair and square.

India 2018 beat a post sandpaper gate team. Weakened batting and India too good, with a very strong all round team.

In 2021 India beat us with their B team bowling attack. Opening was a perennial problem and just good players out of form and again, India totally up for it.

This is not an era of a dominant, all conquering all time Oz team. We are pretty good. But one spin bowler and one class opener away from being a truly excellent side- we don't often enough get Warner firing at the same time as a partner, when we do we are very good. But it isn't consistent.

 

[SamNJ]

Australia at home in Test series since December 2016:

Beat PAK (3-0)
Beat ENG (4-0)
Lost to IND (1-2)
Beat SL (2-0)
Beat PAK (2-0)
Beat NZ (3-0)
Lost to IND (1-2)
Beat ENG (4-0)
Beat WI (2-0)
Beat SA (2-0)
They are so strong that apart from india no team won a single test post December 2016

Yes I think safe to say India and Australia have been 2 most dominant sides in test cricket for 5 years.

 

[MP2011]

Yes I think safe to say India and Australia have been 2 most dominant sides in test cricket for 5 years.

Lets see what England can do with Bazball when they visit Australia and India. Should be exciting to watch.

 

[MP2011]

In 2021 India beat us with their B team bowling attack. Opening was a perennial problem and just good players out of form and again, India totally up for it.

Did Warner get out of form just when we visited your shores?

Warner's scores in his previous 8 test innings,

154,
335*
43
19
41
38
45
111*

That's 786 runs @ 131!

Smith scored 1028 runs in 14 innings @ 73!

Did they both get out of form just when we visited you?

 

[MP2011]

And what about us?

Our captain left a sinking ship when we are at perhaps our lowest after getting bowled out for 36 in the Adelaide test!

You were at your full strength in that series and no amount of excuses like your players were out of form will wash.

Your players were out of form during that series because we didn't allow them to bully us (after debacle at Adelaide) like they do with all comers who visit down under.

 

[MP2011]

Yeah, some people will find all excuses and asterisks to undermine those two epic series wins.

See another example of excuses.

Since our 2018 series win came after sandpapergate when Smith & Warner were absent, so that series win doesn't matter.

Next one doesn't matter since Smith & Warner were out of form during that series.

Incidentally, Australia has won 17/25 tests and lost 4 tests during last 5 years at home, all 4 losses came against us.

 

[Ab Fan]

Do wins against Australia in Australia count?

 

[wrongun]

Did Warner get out of form just when we visited your shores?

Warner's scores in his previous 8 test innings,

154,
335*
43
19
41
38
45
111*

That's 786 runs @ 131!

Smith scored 1028 runs in 14 innings @ 73!

Did they both get out of form just when we visited you?

If you have a point to make? Make it.

 

[jnaveen1980]

s. Australian bowling is a relentless bowling unit. SA could have got away with one more draw in this series. Jansen showed application. But top 5 of SA just could not withstand the pressure. Infact it is a pathetic top 5. They will continue their domination in the future as some of these guys are young enough to play fro another few years. Only Smith might retire in the near future.

 

[SamNJ]

Did Warner get out of form just when we visited your shores?

Warner's scores in his previous 8 test innings,

154,
335*
43
19
41
38
45
111*

That's 786 runs @ 131!

Smith scored 1028 runs in 14 innings @ 73!

Did they both get out of form just when we visited you?

Yes both Warner and Smith were in good form. Warner missed first couple of tests. But Smith was beautifully worked out by Ashwin. Ashwin said I spent an entire break watching all his innings and chalked out plans to stop his run flow. The execution was brilliant.

 

[Bhaijaan]

The mission down under is always half technical half psychological and most teams have not been able to crack that code which is why most teams not only fail but get bullied and hammered over there.

What they do to England during every home Ashes is something you wouldn’t wish for your worst enemies. Except one tour they have been getting violated there since eternity.

South Africa are a weird case. They win in Australia, go back home and let the Aussies whip them back.

Pakistan has been losing there like forever. The last time when Pakistan was not losing in Australia was probably when the Pyramids were still being built.

They invite NZ over only to remind them they’re small.

Aussies are nasty but you have to respect their guts. If 4 days of a test are washed out and they manage to get you out for 100 odd runs, they will score 150 and declare and try their luck if they can get you out under 50. Sometimes it is like that with them, there is no escape.

 

[MP2011]

If you have a point to make? Make it.

If you still didn't get it, forget it.

 

[charlie007]

If you still didn't get it, forget it.

I’m not sure why the sudden saltiness for India’s creditable wins in Australia- it was a win fair and square against all odds. So why the sudden and belated need to put those wins down?

 

[wrongun]

I’m not sure why the sudden saltiness for India’s creditable wins in Australia- it was a win fair and square against all odds. So why the sudden and belated need to put those wins down?

Who put the wins down?

So far it's just Indian fans looking for insults where none were made. Which seems pretty typical.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Chill guys. Post ATG Australian team, Australia came up with this fool proof method of rolling out true wickets and batting the opposition out of the game due to their relentless pressure bowling. Apart from odd failures this has been working. Last year they batted everyone out. I expect this domination to continue. This is why i am so much looking for Ashes. Two inform sides.

 

[Robert]

Lets see what England can do with Bazball when they visit Australia and India. Should be exciting to watch.

I don’t think it will work in India as BCCI will make Bunsens, which most modern English batters don’t have the skills to bat on. They will collapse to 50-5 before Root and Foakes (who can actually play spin) grind out a century partnership, but India will get 400 anyway.

I can see it working in Australia on good tracks with true bounce. Bairstow has done it there already.

 

[MP2011]

I’m not sure why the sudden saltiness for India’s creditable wins in Australia- it was a win fair and square against all odds. So why the sudden and belated need to put those wins down?

Isn't it convenient? When Smith & Warner weren't there in 2018, their absence was cited as the major reason why we won that series.

When Smith & Warner were there in 2021, their lack of form was cited as the major reason why we won the series.

lol!

 

[charlie007]

i think you're leaving out an SA win?

They had a strong team- Steyn, Philander, Rabada, Dumniy, Amla, Faff, De Kock etc. Well suited to our conditions, Abbot bowled really well too. Beat us fair and square.

India 2018 beat a post sandpaper gate team. Weakened batting and India too good, with a very strong all round team.

In 2021 India beat us with their B team bowling attack. Opening was a perennial problem and just good players out of form and again, India totally up for it.

This is not an era of a dominant, all conquering all time Oz team. We are pretty good. But one spin bowler and one class opener away from being a truly excellent side- we don't often enough get Warner firing at the same time as a partner, when we do we are very good. But it isn't consistent.

Who put the wins down?

So far it's just Indian fans looking for insults where none were made. Which seems pretty typical.

See above - The South African wins were fair and square, but Indian wins were due to weakened batting, out of form batsmen in the next series and blah blah. [MENTION=147527]MP2011[/MENTION] showed the batsmen were just fine before and after the India series - India did well to subdue a very strong Australian batting lineup. So don't make excuses, it was just that India were a better side due to their own performance not because Australia were weakened for any reason.
Maybe you didn't want to convey the message that you did, but it did come out that way. If it didn't, that's cool.

 

[Buffet]

Aus has lost only 4 tests out of 30 plus tests since 2017. Apart from India, no other team has won a single test in Aus since 2017.

If this is not domination then not sure what domination means. Only India in India has a better record than Aus in Aus.

 

[wrongun]

See above - The South African wins were fair and square, but Indian wins were due to weakened batting, out of form batsmen in the next series and blah blah. [MENTION=147527]MP2011[/MENTION] showed the batsmen were just fine before and after the India series - India did well to subdue a very strong Australian batting lineup. So don't make excuses, it was just that India were a better side due to their own performance not because Australia were weakened for any reason.
Maybe you didn't want to convey the message that you did, but it did come out that way. If it didn't, that's cool.

Ah I see. Indian fans get sensitive when not enough praise is heaped upon their victories.

 

[charlie007]

Ah I see. Indian fans get sensitive when not enough praise is heaped upon their victories.

Not quite - Indian fans get annoyed when a well deserved victory is attempted to be slighted by offering excuses.

 

[MP2011]

Not quite - Indian fans get annoyed when a well deserved victory is attempted to be slighted by offering excuses.

Pointing out excuses and baloneys is now termed as being sensitive.

 

[MP2011]

Aus has lost only 4 tests out of 30 plus tests since 2017. Apart from India, no other team has won a single test in Aus since 2017.

If this is not domination then not sure what domination means. Only India in India has a better record than Aus in Aus.

And it's not that they barely scraped in any of those tests. They absolutely demolished all comers at home.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Aus has lost only 4 tests out of 30 plus tests since 2017. Apart from India, no other team has won a single test in Aus since 2017.

If this is not domination then not sure what domination means. Only India in India has a better record than Aus in Aus.

But the Australia that Australia plays against India in Australia is a weak Australia.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Last 34 Tests at home, Australia have lost only 4 - all have been to India.

Strongest home team after India.

 

[Ab Fan]

Pant and Pujara combo has been nightmares to them.

 

[Buffet]

But the Australia that Australia plays against India in Australia is a weak Australia.

That theory is just weird.

How come Aus is strong before India visits and also after India visits( Only 4 test loss in the last 34 tests at home, all 4 losses against India)

India played outstanding cricket in two series. Some time just giving credit and moving on is the best thing to do.

 

[Pakpak]

Unsure why there is a debate or even doubts on how well India have been in Australia esp with the team India had in the last tour.

 

[Mamoon]

That theory is just weird.

How come Aus is strong before India visits and also after India visits( Only 4 test loss in the last 34 tests at home, all 4 losses against India)

India played outstanding cricket in two series. Some time just giving credit and moving on is the best thing to do.

This is one of the funniest threads I have ever seen. India doesn’t deserve credit for winning two series in Australia because Australia doesn’t have a great home record, but Australia doesn’t have a great home record because India won two series. )

People will go to any lengths to discredit India’s remarkable feat. They cannot stomach what they achieved.

 

[uppercut]

Its been almost 2 yrs since this thread was made and during that time Eng has hosted 13 tests at home and lost 4 Tests winning 7 and 2 draws. Aus on the other hand has hosted 10 Tests and lost Zero tests winning 8 of them and 2 draws.

Even the Eng fans will not agree to the OP's claim that its easier to win in Aus as opposed to winning in Eng. Its a no brainer for anyone who closely follows Test cricket.

In Aus:
https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...2021;spanval2=span;template=results;type=team

In Eng:
https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...2021;spanval2=span;template=results;type=team

 

[BreadPakoda]

Its been almost 2 yrs since this thread was made and during that time Eng has hosted 13 tests at home and lost 4 Tests winning 7 and 2 draws. Aus on the other hand has hosted 10 Tests and lost Zero tests winning 8 of them and 2 draws.

Even the Eng fans will not agree to the OP's claim that its easier to win in Aus as opposed to winning in Eng. Its a no brainer for anyone who closely follows Test cricket.

In Aus:
https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...2021;spanval2=span;template=results;type=team

In Eng:
https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...2021;spanval2=span;template=results;type=team

But they lost 2 series at home to India in the last 5 years, so they aren’t that strong and therefore it’s not a big deal that India defeated them twice.

 

[uppercut]

But they lost 2 series at home to India in the last 5 years, so they aren’t that strong and therefore it’s not a big deal that India defeated them twice.

Yup I noticed that mistake in the OP which includes the 2 series losses to India in the stats to arrive at the wrong conclusion that Aus is not that hard for visiting teams. Perhaps the OP feels if India can win then anyone else can too !!!.