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Australia - the new Test cricket minnows?

ethan hunt said:
Well you are the one who thinks they are invincible so the onus is on you to tell me what has changed .
Yes thats around 7 more test matches and i think i am justified in expecting Pakistan to win a match or two out of the 7 . in comparison india played around 13 and won 1 .
Lets see how it goes.
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Test matches have 3 results, in case you are forgetting. A 0-0 result is better than losing 3-1.
 
ethan hunt said:
Well you are the one who thinks they are invincible so the onus is on you to tell me what has changed .
Yes thats around 7 more test matches and i think i am justified in expecting Pakistan to win a match or two out of the 7 . in comparison india played around 13 and won 1 .
Lets see how it goes.
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Lmao I'm not saying New Zealand are "invincible". I'm just saying it's competitive enough to win at home against most teams and extrapolation of results from matches 6 years ago against weak Kiwi sides is arguing out of context.
 
So Asian sides have been winning test series in SA & Aus regularly, right? If I recall it right then 3 out of 4 Asian sides have yet to win a test series even in WI. That's freaking WI.

Chest thumping is pretty bad here when all Asian sides are poor travelers. Aus is no way worse than Asian sides when it comes to paying in away venues.
 
Buffet said:
So Asian sides have been winning test series in SA & Aus regularly, right? If I recall it right then 3 out of 4 Asian sides have yet to win a test series even in WI. That's freaking WI.

Chest thumping is pretty bad here when all Asian sides are poor travelers. Aus is no way worse than Asian sides when it comes to paying in away venues.
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Agreed. Asian sides have never won a series in OZ/SA and Australia have won multiple times all over Asia.
 
lol Pakistan will be the real minnows after the end of their overseas tours. At least Australians compete well in places like SA, NZ, WI and Eng. They have a very good record in Srilanka too. Some delusional posters.
 
Balthazar said:
lol Pakistan will be the real minnows after the end of their overseas tours. At least Australians compete well in places like SA, NZ, WI and Eng. They have a very good record in Srilanka too. Some delusional posters.
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Just like India turned into minnows after 8-0 and all Indian greats had to retire?
 
Buffet said:
So Asian sides have been winning test series in SA & Aus regularly, right? If I recall it right then 3 out of 4 Asian sides have yet to win a test series even in WI. That's freaking WI.

Chest thumping is pretty bad here when all Asian sides are poor travelers. Aus is no way worse than Asian sides when it comes to paying in away venues.
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Winning a test series is a different thing. All Asian teams have at least won a test outside Asia. Current Australian side seems incapable to do so in Asia.

When Misbah hits the fastest test century against you, there has to be something wrong with your team.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Agreed. Asian sides have never won a series in OZ/SA and Australia have won multiple times all over Asia.
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I think the discussion is about the current Aussie team, why bringing series wins from a decade ago?

By this logic WI is also not a minnow test side as they won plenty of series in the past.
 
Mamoon said:
Pakistan is the worst touring team at the moment as things stand.

With players like Masood, Hafeez, Azhar, Younis, Sarfraz, Wahab, Rahat, Imran, Sohail, Aslam, Iftikhar, Rizwan, Zulfiqar etc., we cannot win Test series in countries like Australia, England, South Africa, New Zealand and India.

That only leaves Sri Lanka (where the series will be highly competitive and could go either way), West Indies (borderline minnows), Bangladesh and Zimbabwe (minnows).

Replace Australia with Pakistan in the title and this thread might make more sense.
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And how many series have India won outside Asia?

How many series have Australia won in Asia?

Thank you.
 
The_Odd_One said:
Winning a test series is a different thing. All Asian teams have at least won a test outside Asia. Current Australian side seems incapable to do so in Asia.

When Misbah hits the fastest test century against you, there has to be something wrong with your team.
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When was the last time an Asian team won a test in Australia?

SL hasnt won a test in Australia,EVER.

Pakistan last won a test in Australia 20 years ago.

India won a test in 2008.

Its laughable when Pakistanis want to call Australia minnows for not playing well in Asia.
 
The_Odd_One said:
And how many series have India won outside Asia?

How many series have Australia won in Asia?

Thank you.
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Pakistan hasnt even won a test series in WI.Thats WI.

Look at your own record before pointing fingers at Australia or India.

And Australia have won plenty of series in Asia.While no Asian team has won a test series in Australia.Even drawing a test series is a rarity.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Pakistan hasnt even won a test series in WI.Thats WI.

Look at your own record before pointing fingers at Australia or India.

And Australia have won plenty of series in Asia.While no Asian team has won a test series in Australia.Even drawing a test series is a rarity.
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Winning in WI does not mean anything.

Don't bring in series wins of past Aussie teams. They were one of the best ever teams. Current team can't hold a candle to those teams. I'm sure nobody is claiming that Australia was always a test minnow team.

I can point my finger anywhere I want and specially at India who repeaditly lose despite fielding their best teams, once in a lifetime players.
 
The_Odd_One said:
Winning in WI does not mean anything.

Don't bring in series wins of past Aussie teams. They were one of the best ever teams. Current team can't hold a candle to those teams. I'm sure nobody is claiming that Australia was always a test minnow team.

I can point my finger anywhere I want and specially at India who repeaditly lose despite fielding their best teams, once in a lifetime players.
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Whereever Pakistan cant win it doesnt matter.

Aussies have won test series in Asia since 1950s to may be 5 years back.

Pakistan hasnt won a test in Australia since 1995 inspite of fielding 2Ws Saqlain Anwar Inzy etc etc.From 1995 to 2010 for 15 years Pakistan didnt even win a test versus Australia either homw or away.

And yes you can point your fingers and i can laugh at your delusions.

Oh btw last time Pakistan went to Australia the score was 13-0.White washed in tests ODIs and T20s. Have some humility if not then atleast some commonsense if not that some wisdom before taking potshots at Australia.
 
There isn't a single team that's dominant right now.

Most are lions at home and kittens away. While others are just atrocious everywhere (i.e. WI).
 
Hawkeye said:
Whitewashed in India
Whitewashed in the UAE
Beaten by the weakest Test team right now - SL
Beaten in England

Will most probably be beaten by Bangladesh as well if they tour.

Are we seeing the rise of Bangladesh - and downfall of Australia?

I really miss the Australian team that was the most feared cricket team - Ponting, Warne, McGrath, Gilchrist, Lee.

They now have a bunch of batsmen who can't play any sort of swing, seam OR spin.
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Please Hawkeye, don't miss Australia. They Are still Number 1 team in the test cricket & Current Odi World Champ. They have won more World cups and More Tests series than any other test playing nation. Australia is Cricket powerhouse. Thank God that they are loosing for a change. Other teams need to win as well otherwise what's the point of playing against Australia...
 
which team atm not mediocre in alien conditions ??
 
cricketjoshila said:
Whereever Pakistan cant win it doesnt matter.

Aussies have won test series in Asia since 1950s to may be 5 years back.

Pakistan hasnt won a test in Australia since 1995 inspite of fielding 2Ws Saqlain Anwar Inzy etc etc.From 1995 to 2010 for 15 years Pakistan didnt even win a test versus Australia either homw or away.

And yes you can point your fingers and i can laugh at your delusions.

Oh btw last time Pakistan went to Australia the score was 13-0.White washed in tests ODIs and T20s. Have some humility if not then atleast some commonsense if not that some wisdom before taking potshots at Australia.
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Take some comprehension lessons. I am talking about the current Aussie team and you are bringing up series wins from the 1950s and last decade.

As far as I remember in last 5 years Australia and Pakistan have played just 4 tests. 2 of them were in England. Both teams won each. Then Australia played 2 tests in the UAE and lost both. India on the other hand has not won a single away or neutral test vs Australia in the last 5 years. This is really embarassing for a team who was generally ranked higher than Pakistan in the last decade and had the services of one of the very best generation of cricketers.
 
I am not sure why are Indian posters so hurt here. The current Australian team is just not good enough to win in Asian conditions.
 
The_Odd_One said:
Take some comprehension lessons. I am talking about the current Aussie team and you are bringing up series wins from the 1950s and last decade.

As far as I remember in last 5 years Australia and Pakistan have played just 4 tests. 2 of them were in England. Both teams won each. Then Australia played 2 tests in the UAE and lost both. India on the other hand has not won a single away or neutral test vs Australia in the last 5 years. This is really embarassing for a team who was generally ranked higher than Pakistan in the last decade and had the services of one of the very best generation of cricketers.
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We were also ranked number one Test team during the playing days of those cricketers. Has Pakistan ever reached that status before? You shouldnt be taking potshots at Australia when your own team got smashed by a minnow team like Zimbabwe.
 
Balthazar said:
We were also ranked number one Test team during the playing days of those cricketers. Has Pakistan ever reached that status before? You shouldnt be taking potshots at Australia when your own team got smashed by a minnow team like Zimbabwe.
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Lost just 1 test to Zimbabwe but did not get whitewashed in two countries.
 
The_Odd_One said:
Take some comprehension lessons. I am talking about the current Aussie team and you are bringing up series wins from the 1950s and last decade.

As far as I remember in last 5 years Australia and Pakistan have played just 4 tests. 2 of them were in England. Both teams won each. Then Australia played 2 tests in the UAE and lost both. India on the other hand has not won a single away or neutral test vs Australia in the last 5 years. This is really embarassing for a team who was generally ranked higher than Pakistan in the last decade and had the services of one of the very best generation of cricketers.
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What has last decade and the Indian players of that era got to do with the current Indian team not winning a test in Australia?

I can't get your point.
 
Australian team is rubbish in Asian conditions but outside Asia conditions they are the best team out there. They have won in SA, NZ and WI while in England they won 2 games in last tour and are dominant in Australia. Just look at their home record. They have hardly lost a game there from a while except one win from SA at Perth two years back.
 
Always interesting to see a thread like this on a Pakistani forum, whose own team have lost 5 of their 7 Tests outside Asia in the last 4 years, including a loss in Zimbabwe.

Doesn't get worse than that.
 
James said:
Aren't they the number one Test team? Clearly that ranking has been earned?
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ICC clearly not paying attention to what's going on in test cricket. All wins are not equal... Everybody is home bully, and nobody wins abroad. This is not reflected in ranking system. Away wins are lot more difficult now than in past!! - Specially for Asians to win in west and western to win in Asia.
 
The_Odd_One said:
And how many series have India won outside Asia?

How many series have Australia won in Asia?

Thank you.
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Historical record when you are comparing contemporary teams doesn't matter.

Nonetheless, you don't see many Indians championing their Test team as a world class one and the best team around the same way some of us do, and we take serious offense at the idea that Pakistan and India are at the same level in Tests at the moment, even though it's nothing but the fact.

Some folks are seriously deluded over the prospects of our Test team.
 
yasir said:
ICC clearly not paying attention to what's going on in test cricket. All wins are not equal... Everybody is home bully, and nobody wins abroad. This is not reflected in ranking system. Away wins are lot more difficult now than in past!! - Specially for Asians to win in west and western to win in Asia.
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So how should the rankings be done and where would Australia sit with your version of the rankings. I only mention that because Australia have one of the best if not the best touring records.
 
Mamoon said:
Historical record when you are comparing contemporary teams doesn't matter.

Nonetheless, you don't see many Indians championing their Test team as a world class one and the best team around the same way some of us do, and we take serious offense at the idea that Pakistan and India are at the same level in Tests at the moment, even though it's nothing but the fact.

Some folks are seriously deluded over the prospects of our Test team.
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I think it's because this is a Pakistani forum, so naturally fans will overrate anything related to the national team.
Indian team will be overrated in the Indian forums.
 
The_Odd_One said:
Take some comprehension lessons. I am talking about the current Aussie team and you are bringing up series wins from the 1950s and last decade.

As far as I remember in last 5 years Australia and Pakistan have played just 4 tests. 2 of them were in England. Both teams won each. Then Australia played 2 tests in the UAE and lost both. India on the other hand has not won a single away or neutral test vs Australia in the last 5 years. This is really embarassing for a team who was generally ranked higher than Pakistan in the last decade and had the services of one of the very best generation of cricketers.
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The compulsion of some Pakistani fans to pass off the UAE "home" series as "neutral". :23:

And we have never defeated Australia in a neutral series because we have never played a neutral series against Australia ever. And why should we? We have our own test grounds. We are not exiled due to our own botched policies.
 
geraltofrivia said:
The compulsion of some Pakistani fans to pass off the UAE "home" series as "neutral". :23:

And we have never defeated Australia in a neutral series because we have never played a neutral series against Australia ever. And why should we? We have our own test grounds. We are not exiled due to our own botched policies.
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Pakistan beat Australia in a test match in England.

Owned!
 
Mamoon said:
Historical record when you are comparing contemporary teams doesn't matter.

Nonetheless, you don't see many Indians championing their Test team as a world class one and the best team around the same way some of us do, and we take serious offense at the idea that Pakistan and India are at the same level in Tests at the moment, even though it's nothing but the fact.

Some folks are seriously deluded over the prospects of our Test team.
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What historical record?

India lost in England and NZ pretty recently with current set of players.

Australia lost in India and the UAE with the same team as well.
 
street cricketer said:
What has last decade and the Indian players of that era got to do with the current Indian team not winning a test in Australia?

I can't get your point.
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Because a lot of Indian posters like Cricket Joshila bring up Pakistan's record in Australia. When was the last time Pakistan played a test in Australia and with which players?
 
The_Odd_One said:
What historical record?

India lost in England and NZ pretty recently with current set of players.

Australia lost in India and the UAE with the same team as well.
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And how does that make Pakistan a better team in overseas? Their last trip to SA and Zim ended pretty embarrassingly. They were unable to win Test series against NZ, SA and SL when they last toured UAE. I believe Aus, Ind and Eng are the top test teams at the moment, followed by NZ, Pak and SA (in no particular order).
 
The_Odd_One said:
What historical record?

India lost in England and NZ pretty recently with current set of players.

Australia lost in India and the UAE with the same team as well.
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If Pakistan lose better than 3-1 in England and 2-0 in Australia, it can claim that its a better team than India.

However, India didn't get whitewashed in SA like we did, while both teams won in Sri Lanka.

Yes India beat SA at home while we couldn't, but I won't consider that since SA of 2015 is a much inferior team to SA of 2013.

Australia lost in India and the UAE but they won in SA and competed better than India in England. Australia struggle in Asia but outside Asia they are a quality team.
 
They are fast becoming like India of 90s. Lions at home, Lambs elsewhere
 
There was a time in 2001 when australia called their tour of india as the final frontier because they had won almost everywhere except india. They can't even say these things now. They managed to win michael clarke's debut test series in 2004 though.
 
To be fair, Australia did really well in that 1st test, and would've most-likely won it had it not been for that breathtaking innings by Mendis. They got a good team, so I would wait till the series is over to judge whether Australia are actually an ordinary test side that seems to only excel at home.
 
Mamoon said:
If Pakistan lose better than 3-1 in England and 2-0 in Australia, it can claim that its a better team than India.

However, India didn't get whitewashed in SA like we did, while both teams won in Sri Lanka.

Yes India beat SA at home while we couldn't, but I won't consider that since SA of 2015 is a much inferior team to SA of 2013.

Australia lost in India and the UAE but they won in SA and competed better than India in England. Australia struggle in Asia but outside Asia they are a quality team.
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If India beat SA at home then Pakistan beat England at home which is even a bigger achievement. But let's not mention it.

India played just 2 tests in SA, lost second by ten wickets and in the first test, SA almost chased down 458 (ended up with 450/8). How was it not as bad as a whitewash that Pakistan suffered?
 
The_Odd_One said:
If India beat SA at home then Pakistan beat England at home which is even a bigger achievement. But let's not mention it.

India played just 2 tests in SA, lost second by ten wickets and in the first test, SA almost chased down 458 (ended up with 450/8). How was it not as bad as a whitewash that Pakistan suffered?
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Because it wasn't a whitewash.
 
The_Odd_One said:
You are right, it was not a whitewash but it was close to a whitewash.
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Nope. That's what end results tell you.

But the course of the series wasn't the same. Most teams which get whitewashed hardly get into dominating positions in the matches. Basically they get completely outplayed by the team which whitewashes them. That was hardly the case in that series. It was a competitive series that received good coverage outside India and South Africa and people were disappointed that the series was very short as it was turning out to be a well competed series (at that time, England were getting battered in Australia in a woefully one sided series).

India gave themselves a chance of winning that first test with the great batting performance and tbf, any decent bowling attack would've won that test. India basically bottled that win and ended up drawing it which they should have won. I wouldn't say that it was a one sided series as what happens generally in whitewashes (like India's tour of England in 2011).
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Over the last four tours of SA,NZ,ENG,AUS, we won 1,drew 5 and lost 7, you have lost 4 and won 1 :)
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Quite unfair to compare when you tour these countries every other year while Pakistan's sample size is spread over 5 years.

All subcontinent teams are bad touring sides while all other teams are bad touring sides of the subcontinent. Although, subcontinent sides have performed substantially better abroad than the other sides have in the subcontinent. Quite simple really.

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And you folks did not believe me! :najam

What a horror show.
 
Hawkeye said:
SL scored 300 on this track, even their non-specialist bats scored. :danish



Shukriya, shukria. :baelish
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I know, but comparing it with a match where 600 runs were scored in an innings is not the best analogy to a rank turner track.

Rank turner wickets deteriorate very much with time and Australia being not the best players of spin in the world, it's pretty much expected.
 
Australia getting exposed big time

Nobody from the current team can make it to the Aussie team of late 90s/early 2000s.
 
They are poor in Asian conditions they just don't have the batsmen with experience in Asian conditions for tests.. Other than that they are still a top team..
 
street cricketer said:
I know, but comparing it with a match where 600 runs were scored in an innings is not the best analogy to a rank turner track.

Rank turner wickets deteriorate very much with time and Australia being not the best players of spin in the world, it's pretty much expected.
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They would have scored 500 if they weren't awful at batting.

Nobody thinks this Srilankan lineup is good at batting.

If Pakistan or India batted on this surface, they would have scored 500 in first innings.
 
street cricketer said:
I know, but comparing it with a match where 600 runs were scored in an innings is not the best analogy to a rank turner track.

Rank turner wickets deteriorate very much with time and Australia being not the best players of spin in the world, it's pretty much expected.
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I'd expect Pakistan or India to get 400 on this track.
 
big_gamer007 said:
They are poor in Asian conditions they just don't have the batsmen with experience in Asian conditions for tests.. Other than that they are still a top team..
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Why does not this logic work for subcontinent teams?

How many matches have Pakistani batsmen played in England?
 
What I'm reasonably sure of is that Khawaja is a rubbish batsman at the top level. Have never rated him.
 
The_Odd_One said:
Why does not this logic work for subcontinent teams?

How many matches have Pakistani batsmen played in England?
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I didn't get the point? It's the same with Asian batsmen too, they are pretty feeble outside Asia and are dominant at home.. No one would deny that.. That's why everyone rates good performance by Pakistani batsmen in England this series pretty highly..

If you get somewhat similar home like conditions a classy player like Kohli can hit 4 centuries in a row which is what separates him from others..
 
Nobody serious has ever particularly rated this Australian side as that good at tests. It is at it's a core a two man batting team.

The pace attack has a very good claim as best in the world though
 
big_gamer007 said:
I didn't get the point? It's the same with Asian batsmen too, they are pretty feeble outside Asia and are dominant at home.. No one would deny that.. That's why everyone rates good performance by Pakistani batsmen in England this series pretty highly..

If you get somewhat similar home like conditions a classy player like Kohli can hit 4 centuries in a row which is what separates him from others..
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I was referring to the experience part of your post.
 
Seriously?

They will destroy anyone on those hard tracks in Australia, South Africa and New Zealand. They got the bowlers and batsmen for it.

Problem in Asia is that they havent got a world class spinner and the batsmen lack batting temperament. They need to look at Misbah's video to learn to grind it out.
 
They are just going under the re-building phase.

In 1-2 years, they will probably be deadly like before again.
 
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