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Rana said:
The perfect Klaasen for Pakistan, Saim in form Ayub :ROFLMAO:
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Jokes aside I have a serious question. What's the logic of Batting at 3 and 4 in odi and 4 and 6 in tests but opening in T20? On which planet has that ever occurred?

The only example I can think of is Butler in t20 however Butler only came to open with Hales once Roy and Bairstow fizzled out and England had no other choice.

But Pakistan has choices? They have Saim + Fakhar to open?
 
Greenstorm said:
This is one of the worst T20I squads ever selected in terms of batting. All of them apart from Niazi and Jahandad are accumulators. Makes no sense not to select these four for T20Is in Australia;

1. Fakhar
2. Saim
3. M Harris
4. Iftikhar

Our only hope now is to restrict Aus to low totals and chase them down.
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Ifti Baba can't bat never mind accumulate. Is that him gone for good?
 
Rana said:
If Australia isn’t going to play with some pride now, I hope the ICC is disbanded for good and cricket just becomes franchise leagues
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Bro the truth is, Australia only cares about tests and icc events.

Bcci has killed Bi laterals for good. The only way to fix this is to permanently reduce the no of franchise leagues played and ipl especially needs to be cut down and limited. But it won't happen.

It's probably why icc hosts a tournament every year now, as without a yearly tournament, international cricket would be dead.
 
mominsaigol said:
Jokes aside I have a serious question. What's the logic of Batting at 3 and 4 in odi and 4 and 6 in tests but opening in T20? On which planet has that ever occurred?

The only example I can think of is Butler in t20 however Butler only came to open with Hales once Roy and Bairstow fizzled out and England had no other choice.

But Pakistan has choices? They have Saim + Fakhar to open?
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Ask these RizBar fan. They should explain the cricket logic behind it.
 
Rana said:
Humble pie where? Pakistan won an ODI series or the World Cup?
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Pakistan won the series

Michael Hussey : Pakistan can beat any team , anywhere in the world

Michael Clarke: lambasted CA for resting players.

CA Ceo : Disappointment over the loss of series to Pakistan

Is this not an achievement
 
Rana said:
Ask these RizBar fan. They should explain the cricket logic behind it.
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Rizzu came to open when Pakistani openers were injured. Misbah verbatim said he was a placeholder for that series.

Aik hi match kei baad he's mainstay?
 
Kianig89 said:
Pakistan won the series

Michael Hussey : Pakistan can beat any team , anywhere in the world

Michael Clarke: lambasted CA for resting players.

CA Ceo : Disappointment over the loss of series to Pakistan

Is this not an achievement
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With all due respect. I wouldn't take what aussie, Pakistani and Indian ex cricketers say about cricket seriously.

Anil Kumble stated rizzu was the top 3 best batsmen in the world after his 131 against sri lanka in wc, but soon after that everyone from falhar, Rohit, Kohli, Warner, Marsh Travis, Rachin, Maxwell, sheryas, Quinton etc etc outperformed him.

They can't really say anything bad about other countries and can only Diss their own.

India is an exception as some of their players like sehwag are quote vocal nit even Bcci somewhat keeps their mouth shut.

If Micheal Hussey truly believes that Pakistan can beat any team in the world, then he'd also have no issue in Lambasting Pointing and telling him that had Australia actually taken taken this series seriously aka played full strength and fielded properly then they'd still lose.

The truth is hussey and pointing do not believe Pakistan can beat Australia in an icc event or a test match on a neutral venue at full strength.

Pakiatan can only beat Australia in a bi lateral like they did in 2019 and 2024 and in tests at home but even then Australia will give pak a tougher fight then England.

On a neutral venue in test such as Wtc(england) or aussie home soil or an odi + t20 icc tournament game? No chance in hell.

Pak will lose unless fakhar pulls his one hit wonders.
 
mominsaigol said:
With all due respect. I wouldn't take what aussie, Pakistani and Indian ex cricketers say about cricket seriously.

Anil Kumble stated rizzu was the top 3 best batsmen in the world after his 131 against sri lanka in wc, but soon after that everyone from falhar, Rohit, Kohli, Warner, Marsh Travis, Rachin, Maxwell, sheryas, Quinton etc etc outperformed him.

They can't really say anything bad about other countries and can only Diss their own.

India is an exception as some of their players like sehwag are quote vocal nit even Bcci somewhat keeps their mouth shut.

If Micheal Hussey truly believes that Pakistan can beat any team in the world, then he'd also have no issue in Lambasting Pointing and telling him that had Australia actually taken taken this series seriously aka played full strength and fielded properly then they'd still lose.

The truth is hussey and pointing do not believe Pakistan can beat Australia in an icc event or a test match on a neutral venue at full strength.

Pakiatan can only beat Australia in a bi lateral like they did in 2019 and 2024 and in tests at home but even then Australia will give pak a tougher fight then England.

On a neutral venue in test such as Wtc(england) or aussie home soil or an odi + t20 icc tournament game? No chance in hell.

Pak will lose unless fakhar pulls his one hit wonders.
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Thankfully cricket is not played on forums and keyboards.

Pakistan proved it on the field
 
Kianig89 said:
Thankfully cricket is not played on forums and keyboards.

Pakistan proved it on the field
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Thays fine, but hopefully you guys aren't in for a rude awakening.

I've seen Babar dominate bi laterals but Pakistan fails miserably in every tournament with the exception of 2021 t20 wc where they showcased a good performance.
 
mominsaigol said:
Thays fine, but hopefully you guys aren't in for a rude awakening.

I've seen Babar dominate bi laterals but Pakistan fails miserably in every tournament with the exception of 2021 t20 wc where they showcased a good performance.
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Pakistan reached the.finals in 2022WC also, yes we were outplayed in 2024WT20 thanks to the parasites we got in from TV punditry
 
Rana said:
That’s why his lite version smashed the hell out of Australia in the 2nd and 3rd ODI just like Sharjeel did in 2017
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I actually rated sharjeel for odis and t20s, but now is a different question. Saim Ayub is far better potentially than sharjeel.
 
Kianig89 said:
Pakistan reached the.finals in 2022WC also, yes we were outplayed in 2024WT20 thanks to the parasites we got in from TV punditry
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Yes but Pakistan weren't dominant by any means.

They lost to India, Lost to Zimbabwe. Got very lucky that sa vs Zimbabwe was washed out as sa had won that and drs heavily favoured Pak against sa to the point that sa had no chance and even icc questioned how unfair the drs was to SA. Then Nedtherlands fluked it against sa as well.

Against Bangladesh Pakistan Mar Mar kei jeeta.

New Zealand was the only game they actually played well. You would know this had you actually watched the tournament.

It's not a surprise as 1992 wc was also like this. 4 losses in a row. Eng vs pak was a sure shot exit but rain saved the day.

The difference between 1992 and 2022 was that Pakistan staged a comeback in 1992 going lossless while in 2022 they only performed well against NZ and lucked out with haris an inconsistent batter pulling a miracle innings out of his hat against Bangladesh.

England were bound to burst that bubble
 
khyberlion said:
I actually rated sharjeel for odis and t20s, but now is a different question. Saim Ayub is far better potentially than sharjeel.
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He has due to fitness, Sharjeel was always fighting a war with people because of this. Saim is a gun fielder and a decent bowling option too.

Batting wise, he still isn’t on that Sharjeel boss level.
 
mominsaigol said:
Yes but Pakistan weren't dominant by any means.

They lost to India, Lost to Zimbabwe. Got very lucky that sa vs Zimbabwe was washed out as sa had won that and drs heavily favoured Pak against sa to the point that sa had no chance and even icc questioned how unfair the drs was to SA. Then Nedtherlands fluked it against sa as well.

Against Bangladesh Pakistan Mar Mar kei jeeta.

New Zealand was the only game they actually played well. You would know this had you actually watched the tournament.

It's not a surprise as 1992 wc was also like this. 4 losses in a row. Eng vs pak was a sure shot exit but rain saved the day.

The difference between 1992 and 2022 was that Pakistan staged a comeback in 1992 going lossless while in 2022 they only performed well against NZ and lucked out with haris an inconsistent batter pulling a miracle innings out of his hat against Bangladesh.

England were bound to burst that bubble
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Deep down the memory lane, nobody will remember the if and but, Pakistan reached the final , end of story Be it courtesy Temba Bavuma.

However after seeing three ODI games , the confidence as fan is back that Pakistan cricket can take off, we need couple of good batsmen.in LOI

Kamran Ghulam remained untested hopefully he will come good.

Saud is also in reckoning and WasimJr will be available to backup the bowling.

The only issue is how to fit Rohail Nazir in scheme of things as AzamKhan is also a very strong contender
 
Rana said:
He has due to fitness, Sharjeel was always fighting a war with people because of this. Saim is a gun fielder and a decent bowling option too.

Batting wise, he still isn’t on that Sharjeel boss level.
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Saim might not have the ability of big hitting like sharjeel but all round he's far better than sharjeel. Sharjeel wouldn't have lasted long of these surfaces which we played on.

Sharjeel fitness was always a problem and was an awful fielder which never improved. He also been struggling in domestics for the last year or so. His ship has sailed.

Sharjeel is to blame for never working on his game, fixing and fitness all of this was down to him.
 
Kianig89 said:
Deep down the memory lane, nobody will remember the if and but, Pakistan reached the final , end of story Be it courtesy Temba Bavuma.

However after seeing three ODI games , the confidence as fan is back that Pakistan cricket can take off, we need couple of good batsmen.in LOI

Kamran Ghulam remained untested hopefully he will come good.

Saud is also in reckoning and WasimJr will be available to backup the bowling.

The only issue is how to fit Rohail Nazir in scheme of things as AzamKhan is also a very strong contender
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Mate I told you the tournaments Pakistan was dominant in and the ones that they weren't. That's all.

You need to accept these truths. Don't argue with me on every little metric. Facts and historical events can't be argued as theirs never any semantics involved in them.

Pakistan for ct 2025 will likely go with

1) Saim
2) Fakhar
3) Babar
4) Rizwan (c)(wk)
5) Saud Shakeel
6) Salman Ali Agha
7) Irfan Khan Niazi
8) Jamal (I see him replacing Husnain)
9) Shaheen
10) Naseem
11) Rauf

Fakhar and Imam will make a comeback against sa. Imam will likely be replaced by saim of saim keeps this level of performance up.
 
RidiculousMan said:
There aren't many hitters. I would've taken in Saim and Jamal in this squad. Even Mohammad Harris
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It’s a good thing that they didn’t play Saim. If he continues to play 20-20 he will become another leg side hack in the making. Just keep in ODI and Tests and let him score runs there. So far he hasn’t scored a century only a 50 in each format
 
ask_analyse_act said:
It’s a good thing that they didn’t play Saim. If he continues to play 20-20 he will become another leg side hack in the making. Just keep in ODI and Tests and let him score runs there. So far he hasn’t scored a century only a 50 in each format
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Well he's playing PSL. So
 
How is the weather for the time when the match is scheduled to start? Can we expect full match without rain interruption?
 
Greenstorm said:
Calm down. Just because Iftikhar couldn't finish vs India (on a wicket where every batsman struggled) doesn't undo his previous performances. Even David Miller failed in similar manner against India in that WC.

Iftikhar is still Pakistan's best six hitter after Fakhar and there is no better later order batsman than him in Pakistan. He is strong backfoot player which is rare in Pakistan and his bowling is added bonus. A very useful player that should've been in Australia.
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It wasn’t just India, USA NZ home and away series Ireland etc. he got many chances for 2 years and he couldn’t perform. Maybe in your books as long he can hit a six he should be selected lol … we don’t need Buddha Chacha… Fakhar can stay … no disrespect.. but Chacha he has no place in Pakistan. No matter he does .. even tomorrow he hits 45 runs in one over .. he is still garbage. He will do good things in domestic but in International he is 🥚…
 
alishahid said:
Lol the guys reflexes are all done and dusted. Would have been a liability in the slips. Does not even bother attempting slip catches.

Thankful for salman being their in the slips grabbing everything that comes his way
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Thank you !
 
khyberlion said:
You have a very unhealthy obsession with iftikhar.
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Some people are fans and some people are dislikers! Yes I hate 2 players with obsession.. Chacha and tuktuk Misbah .. if you going to select Chacha and talk he deserves another chance I’m a going to get triggered. That idiot waste his career and others career. Salman Agha is replacing him. I’m happy with that
 
Aqib_mustafa said:
Bro what are pakistan chances in t20 they dominated odi series can we expect the same in t20s?
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Bro I think Pakistan will win the series. But I don't think we should look too deeply into the result even if we do win, because its a severely depleted Australian side made up of mostly new faces. And a series win here will not give an accurate picture of where our T20 cricket is right now. Which is behind the times.

Should just enjoy it for what it is, which is irrelevant fun. I hope they give chances to some young players. Our focus right now should be Test cricket and ODI cricket anyways with the South African tour and the Champions Trophy on the horizon.
 
Mohraheem said:
Some people are fans and some people are dislikers! Yes I hate 2 players with obsession.. Chacha and tuktuk Misbah .. if you going to select Chacha and talk he deserves another chance I’m a going to get triggered. That idiot waste his career and others career. Salman Agha is replacing him. I’m happy with that
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I don't want iftikhar in the team just pointing out the unhealthy obsession you have with him. He didn't waste anyone's career he got picked due to his performances in domestic circuit.
 
A Pakistan fan has purchased 800 tickets for the game and will make a Pakistan flag on it , Reports.

Team may be

Babar
Rizwan
Farhan
Usman
Haseebullah
Salman
Irfan
SsA
Naseem
Rauf
Sufyan
 
Kianig89 said:
A Pakistan fan has purchased 800 tickets for the game and will make a Pakistan flag on it , Reports.

Team may be

Babar
Rizwan
Farhan
Usman
Haseebullah
Salman
Irfan
SsA
Naseem
Rauf
Sufyan
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I dont think Haseebullah will get his place into the playing 11 he is another Haider Ali.
 
Kianig89 said:
A Pakistan fan has purchased 800 tickets for the game and will make a Pakistan flag on it , Reports.

Team may be

Babar
Rizwan
Farhan
Usman
Haseebullah
Salman
Irfan
SsA
Naseem
Rauf
Sufyan
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Haseebullah has no business playing in t20s.
 
Aami said:
Lets hope he is opening in that case
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He won’t be.

Babar and Rizwan’s main journalist (who seems to be ITK for everything concerning them) confirmed they will be opening
 
My 11

Rizwan
Omair yousuf
King
Usman Khan
Irfan Niazi
Arafat Minhas/Agha
Jahandad
Abbas Afridi
Shaheen
Naseem
Sufiyan
 
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I was shocked to find out that Saim Ayub isn't even in the squad for the T20Is. That's a really poor decision imo. He may not have had a good T20 WC, but neither did any of the other batters.

A promising young player like him should have been the last person to be dropped from the T20 side.
 
cricenjoyer said:
If the rumours of Rizbar being back are true than that's great

No team in their right mind would get rid of such a successful partnership
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There is nothing successful about crawling to 45-0 in the powerplay. The negatives of this partnership far outweigh the positives. And it has been a major contributing factor to some high-profile losses for Pakistan over the past few years.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I was shocked to find out that Saim Ayub isn't even in the squad for the T20Is. That's a really poor decision imo. He may not have had a good T20 WC, but neither did any of the other batters
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You shouldn’t be shocked

I am 100% sure that Rizwan made this demand to have him out of the squad when they were being formed. It’s the only way he can open with Babar without being questioned about it.

This is your captain. This is your future.
 
Rana said:
You shouldn’t be shocked

I am 100% sure that Rizwan made this demand to have him out of the squad when they were being formed. It’s the only way he can open with Babar without being questioned about it.

This is your captain. This is your future.
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ON what basis saim should be there???

23 t20Is, pathetic average of 14 and strike rate of 122... LOL

Dropped for a reason.
 
Rana said:
Do you believe Saim is the right kind of opener?
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I believe 100%. 23 games are enough for a player to get dropped though if he is mediocre.

Cannot be having a freeloader in team who cannot score.
 
Here's my honest take on Saim.

I feel like Management doesn't trust him anymore but now are regretting their decison.

Saim Ayub was feeling low on confidence. His tuk tuk test innings and his horrific start against australia in the 1st and 2nd odi showed that he was mostly a tuk tuk accumulator.

However after taking his sweet time in the 2nd odi, the kid switched on and we got to see a naturally aggressive left hand opener for pakistan.

And this is not the first time this has happened. In fact pakistan seems to produce fine left handed talents such as Saeed, Fakhar, Haris sohail and saim is quickly following suit.

They likely dropped him because the Management thought that he was mostly a tuk tuk player and wasn't suited for t20. And now are regretting it.

With that being said, it also expires how hypocritical the Management is, Since they won't apply the same logic to Rizzu and Babar.
 
Rana said:
You shouldn’t be shocked

I am 100% sure that Rizwan made this demand to have him out of the squad when they were being formed. It’s the only way he can open with Babar without being questioned about it.

This is your captain. This is your future.
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Oh really, you are 100% sure? Based on what? Your presence in the selection meetings? Or are you good friends with Aqib Javed?

He opened the batting when Saim and Fakhar were in the squad. What makes you think he won't open even if Saim is in the squad? Especially when it has been clearly said by the PCB that the captain and coach are no longer part of the squad selection process.

Rizwan deserves to be criticized like any other player but in your case it seems like you are always looking for a reason to blame him. If the government fell tomorrow and anarchy broke out all over the country, I think you would find a way to pin that on Rizwan too.
 
Pakistan, Australia T20I series to begin on Thursday

Mohammad Rizwan is set to lead Pakistan’s T20I team, becoming the 12th man to be in charge, after a drought-breaking ODI series win over Australia last week. Pakistan will take on Australia in the three T20I matches on 14, 16 and 18 November in Brisbane, Sydney and Hobart, respectively.

Six players - Jahandad Khan, Mohammad Abbas Afridi, Omair Bin Yousuf, Sahibzada Farhan, Sufiyan Moqim and Usman Khan joined the T20I squad in Brisbane on 11 November after undergoing a five-day training camp in Karachi.

Pakistan and Australia’s last bilateral face-off in the T20I format came in March 2022 when the two teams played a one-off T20I in Lahore which Australia won. In Pakistan’s last T20I series in Australia in November 2019, the hosts won 2-0 after the opening game ended up as no result.

Josh Inglis will lead Australia in the T20I series while Tim David and Nathan Ellis have joined Australia’s T20I squad. Josh Philippe has replaced injured Cooper Connolly.

Mohammad Rizwan, Pakistan T20I captain:

“We are confident after beating Australia in the ODI series but international cricket is always challenging so we aim to do things as better as we can going into this T20I series against Australia.

“We have determined the roles of various players in the team and look forward to executing our best plans not just in this series but also in the upcoming white-ball fixtures against Zimbabwe and South Africa.

“My intent is to keep everyone in the group involved and positive about the game. Of course, the conditions have helped the bowlers on this tour so far but we also want to prove our mettle as a batting unit and I look forward to an exciting contest in the three matches.”

Pakistan T20I squad for Australia T20I series:

Mohammad Rizwan (captain – wicket-keeper), Salman Ali Agha (vice-captain), Arafat Minhas, Babar Azam, Haris Rauf, Haseebullah, Jahandad Khan, Mohammad Abbas Afridi, Muhammad Irfan Khan, Naseem Shah, Omair Bin Yousuf, Sahibzada Farhan, Shaheen Shah Afridi, Sufyan Moqim, Usman Khan

Schedule of matches:

14 Nov – 1st T20I vs Australia; Brisbane Cricket Ground, Brisbane (6pm local time start)
16 Nov – 2nd T20I vs Australia; Sydney Cricket Ground, Sydney (7pm local time start)
18 Nov – 3rd T20I vs Australia; Bellerive Oval, Hobart (7pm local time start)
 
Discussions regarding team selection , debate on whether Haseebullah should play or not

Let's see
 
RidiculousMan said:
For the betterment of Pakistan if considering both Rizwan and Babar will play then Babar should play at no. 3 cause he's best at that position among all in the squad.
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I agree. If we have picked Farhan then we should open with him.
 
I can't wait for Usman the hack to fail in this series.
He is the true definition of hack.Hopefully they will give the taste of leather
 
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I can't wait for Usman the hack to fail in this series.
He is the true definition of hack.Hopefully they will give the taste of leather
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You want usman to fail but you want Babar and Rizwan to succeed
 
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