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Axar Patel versus Nauman Ali

Of course Axar. He is a better bowler than Nauman and he is about 15 years younger than him.

He is a genuine 27 year old while Nauman is in his 40s.

Nauman, like Zulfiqar Babar, will be out of gas after 10-12 Tests.
 
Mamoon said:
Of course Axar. He is a better bowler than Nauman and he is about 15 years younger than him.

He is a genuine 27 year old while Nauman is in his 40s.

Nauman, like Zulfiqar Babar, will be out of gas after 10-12 Tests.
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Axar will be out once Jadeja comes in
 
JaDed said:
Axar will be out once Jadeja comes in
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Yes but only because Jadeja is phenomenal. Axar is unlucky that he is playing in his period.

He would start for most teams including Pakistan. An excellent cricketer.
 
Can Axar get a 5fer in 40s? I don't think so. Don't think he will be playing even domestic cricket then.
 
Mamoon said:
Of course Axar. He is a better bowler than Nauman and he is about 15 years younger than him.

He is a genuine 27 year old while Nauman is in his 40s.

Nauman, like Zulfiqar Babar, will be out of gas after 10-12 Tests.
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Unless you were the attending physician, I see no reason to believe Axar's age :)

However, your thoughts on Nauman are valid.
 
On a pitch where Joe root was spinning it like Murali I really wouldn't want to judge any spinner.
Let the two of them play a bit more cricket before we create these silly comparison threads.
 
Nauman Ali also has a batting average of 25.67
Axar Patel averages 6

Nauman is clearly ahead as an allrounder. His best years were unfortunately wasted by incompetent team management.
 
RyanRyan10 said:
Nauman Ali also has a batting average of 25.67
Axar Patel averages 6

Nauman is clearly ahead as an allrounder. His best years were unfortunately wasted by incompetent team management.
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You say that as a joke but yes Nauman could definitely have had a decent career starting 2-3 years ago — not much incompetency though because for some reason Pakistani spinners only develop brains after the age of 30. Nauman has only come into notice for 2-3 years now.
 
Obviously Nauman chacha.

Axar will be gone once Jadeja comes back and he'll get lost in the domestics whereas Nauman is all set to serve Pakistan for the next 10-12 years.
 
Mesozoic said:
Obviously Nauman chacha.

Axar will be gone once Jadeja comes back and he'll get lost in the domestics whereas Nauman is all set to serve Pakistan for the next 10-12 years.
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Who’s the oldest person to have ever played Test cricket in the last 50 years?
 
What sort of comparison is this? Axar has played one match on a dust bowl which has been certified as such by every expert in the cricketing world and other has played two matches.
 
Mesozoic said:
Obviously Nauman chacha.

Axar will be gone once Jadeja comes back and he'll get lost in the domestics whereas Nauman is all set to serve Pakistan for the next 10-12 years.
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no Nauman will not last that long owing to his age. Regarding Axar cant judge him on a rank turner let him play few more matches on better wickets.
 
Pakhs said:
no Nauman will not last that long owing to his age. Regarding Axar cant judge him on a rank turner let him play few more matches on better wickets.
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I'm just being optimistic pakhs bro. Nauman is only 34 and can easily play until 44. :ifti

But yeah agree on the Axar part. He should be judged only after he plays on wickets that depict the Wanderers' like the recent Karachi wicket where Nauman performed exceedingly well on his debut. That too against a top class South African team full of batsmen who're world class against spin bowling.
 
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Mesozoic said:
I'm just being optimistic pakhs bro. Nauman is only 34 and can easily play until 44. :ifti

But yeah agree on the Axar part. He should be judged only after he plays on wickets that depict the Wanderers' like the recent Karachi wicket where Nauman performed exceedingly well on his debut. That too against a top class South African team full of batsmen who're world class against spin bowling.
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Not a single expert classed Karachi wicket is rank turner like the one in Chennai.. I dont think there is anything to be said.
 
Pakhs said:
Not a single expert classed Karachi wicket is rank turner like the one in Chennai..
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Where did I say they did ? :rabada2

I too believe in everything that the experts usually say particularly when they are from the opposition country as there would be no bias at all in their opinions over a wicket that their team is losing badly on.
 
Mesozoic said:
Where did I say they did ? :rabada2

I too believe in everything that the experts usually say particularly when they are from the opposition country as there would be no bias at all in their opinions over a wicket that their team is losing badly on.
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Well open your eyes and see the explosions on the pitch on day one.. These days matches are shown in HD quality use the facility please. Anyway Regarding this particular debate whats your issue? Why not let Axar play on anything other than a dust bowl?
 
Thunderbolt14 said:
You say that as a joke but yes Nauman could definitely have had a decent career starting 2-3 years ago — not much incompetency though because for some reason Pakistani spinners only develop brains after the age of 30. Nauman has only come into notice for 2-3 years now.
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Why do you always take my posts as joke or trolls? :mw1

Nauman Ali should have been selected ahead of at least someone like Bilal Asif. He could have been tried ahead of Zafar Gohar , who made his debut in NZL, despite being average at the First Class level in recent times.
 
Mesozoic said:
Where did I say they did ? :rabada2

I too believe in everything that the experts usually say particularly when they are from the opposition country as there would be no bias at all in their opinions over a wicket that their team is losing badly on.
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Bro not sure if I’m imagining but you used to post with reasonable quality. Sab khairiat hai?
 
RyanRyan10 said:
Why do you always take my posts as joke or trolls? :mw1

Nauman Ali should have been selected ahead of at least someone like Bilal Asif. He could have been tried ahead of Zafar Gohar , who made his debut in NZL, despite being average at the First Class level in recent times.
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It’s hard to tell when you are using stats like number of 5-fers during their 40s as a metric for quality :afridi
 
RyanRyan10 said:
Why do you always take my posts as joke or trolls? :mw1

Nauman Ali should have been selected ahead of at least someone like Bilal Asif. He could have been tried ahead of Zafar Gohar , who made his debut in NZL, despite being average at the First Class level in recent times.
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Zafar was Man of the Series last QeA. He got a debut on a graveyard for spinners.
 
Ahson8 said:
Zafar was Man of the Series last QeA. He got a debut on a graveyard for spinners.
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Zafar took 38 wickets @36.76

Nauman Ali took 54 wickets @25

Zafar's MoS was due to his *allround* prowess.

Nauman was clearly the better bowler and should have been preferred first IMO
 
No comparison. Axar is a quality cricketer who can spin the bowl and bowl tight lines. He is very handy with the bat too! Nauman has to prove himself. Like many before him, I expect him to disappear from the scene in a few months.
 
RyanRyan10 said:
You need to be special to perform at an age most players would have retired. That's what I meant.
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Fair enough. I do really rate Nauman as our second spinner, his prowess with the bat is very useful too. He’s very old and maybe will play a maximum of 2-3 more years, unless he pulls a Wilfred Rhodes, Saeed Ajmal, or Misbah ul Haq.

Skill wise, he’s a good solution while we look for a younger spinner. The good news is that some people have suddenly begun to emerge, like Sajid Khan and Zahid Mehmood, and the hope is that this increase competition leads to a resurgence in our spin prospects in coming years.

Obviously, Axar is likely to have the longer career and be remembered between the two.
 
RyanRyan10 said:
Zafar took 38 wickets @36.76

Nauman Ali took 54 wickets @25

Zafar's MoS was due to his *allround* prowess.

Nauman was clearly the better bowler and should have been preferred first IMO
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Yeah, Zafar wasn’t particularly impressive with the ball. As a finger spinner, his batting ability suggested he might be a good SENA pick for balance but he didn’t do too well in NZ. (To be fair, that was an absolute graveyard for spinners).
 
 
Axar Patel Test career:
Played three innings

1. Two Wicket haul
2. Five Wicket haul
3. Six Wicket haul
 
Can't take these stats seriously on wickets that turn square from ball one
 
Both are new to Test cricket but at different ends of the spectrum in their cricketing careers. A comparison may not be valid as there are too many variables. They may both be effective on spinning tracks. That is the extent of any comparison. Anything beyond that will be a stretch.
 
uncle nauman will be done in a year or two, hes a stop gap till pak can find a genuine spinner.

"sometimes" patel on the other hand will pbly end up playing 30 to 40 tests, and do pretty well, despite using an 'x' in his name for no reason.
 
Rate Nauman highly based on what I saw against SA, but age not on his side.

Axar will play 50-60 tests and pick up 200-250 wickets depending on support cast. Likely to be on the lower end since we mostly play 4-5 good-great bowlers these days. Ideal replacement for Jadeja and he is 5 years younger, yet to show his potential with the bat, think he can be a healthy 25-30 averaging batsman coming in at number 8 in the long term. 5 years from now he and Sundar will be certified starters in all conditions IMO, for home matches we need another spinner but these 2 will be certain picks.
 
Axar Patel has a massive edge over Nauman in age, so this thread will look quite silly in a couple of years.

In the short-term, Nauman will have to produce the goods against the SENA teams in Pakistan in the upcoming WTC cycle as Axar is currently doing in India.
 
ElRaja said:
uncle nauman will be done in a year or two, hes a stop gap till pak can find a genuine spinner.

"sometimes" patel on the other hand will pbly end up playing 30 to 40 tests, and do pretty well, despite using an 'x' in his name for no reason.
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It's because one random lazy Indian officer in one government office decided to misspell 'Akshar' as 'Axar' in his birth certificate and it apparently stuck:yk
 
street cricketer said:
It's because one random lazy Indian officer in one government office decided to misspell 'Akshar' as 'Axar' in his birth certificate and it apparently stuck:yk
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lol, same thing happened to my friend and it took him two years to correct it because the names on his records in two different countries had two different spellings. long live the lazy uncles of the world, lol.
 
Nauman was impressive against SA. Bowled quick and at the stumps. Has bowled very slowly in this test. No pace it revs. Just lobbing up pies.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Nauman was impressive against SA. Bowled quick and at the stumps. Has bowled very slowly in this test. No pace it revs. Just lobbing up pies.
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He was out of form this year in domestic cricket both him and Sajid have struggled on flatter wickets in domestic it’s showing in this test.
 
1 bad inning and everyone is after the newcomer who shined on his debut series. Hopefully he proves his detractors wrong and serves his team for a long time.
 
street cricketer said:
It's because one random lazy Indian officer in one government office decided to misspell 'Akshar' as 'Axar' in his birth certificate and it apparently stuck:yk
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It was nurse in hospital while giving birth certificate. He still uses akshar in social media accounts
 
Not a single wicket in this series so far for Nauman Ali.

As a main spinner, if you go wicketless in two test matches on Bangladeshi Pitches, questions should be asked.

Tomorrow is his last chance in the series. Lets see what he does.
 
Kaddy said:
Not a single wicket in this series so far for Nauman Ali.

As a main spinner, if you go wicketless in two test matches on Bangladeshi Pitches, questions should be asked.

Tomorrow is his last chance in the series. Lets see what he does.
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It's pointless playing this guy when you have yasir shah

Or even younger spinners in m nawaz , zafar gohar , shadab and usman qadir who are more worthwhile investing in the longer term.
 
Axar is young and has many years ahead of him. Nauman is already old and may only play for couple of years max. So there is no comparison at the moment.
 
The Maxwell wicket did make a difference, also smoothed out with Kohli in the crease.
Guy needs to hire a PR firm even duds like chahal get more PR than him.

We should had gotten him over Jhadav years aho.
 
JaDed said:
The Maxwell wicket did make a difference, also smoothed out with Kohli in the crease.
Guy needs to hire a PR firm even duds like chahal get more PR than him.

We should had gotten him over Jhadav years aho.
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Axar always had the talent. He was overshadowed by Jaddu and India was reluctant to play 2 left arm spinners playing the same role as allrounders.

Kedar Jadhav was a fraud. MSD loved him.
 
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