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Azhar Ali and Asad Shafiq a pale shadow of Misbah-ul-Haq and Younis Khan

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So these guys took the place of Fawad Alam. After all these years and scoring tons in dead UAE conditions, were they worth it? The beginning of the destructive end to Pakistan's test side has begun. Give them a spinning track and I tell you that afghan spinners will eat them alive. And people should not embarrass themselves by comparing indias team with these two.
 
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Harsh on Azhar, he has had his moments

Asad though, cant remember the last game he won us

Most of his tons have come in losses or draws, and these aren't draws that are hard fought but games that you knew would be a draw by the second day.


Its a shame because he is a nice guy, but he has been an utter waste of 8 years of continuous selection
 
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Fawad is better batsman than both Azhar and Shafiq combine. Both are just flat track bully and worse than Hafeez in bouncy condition. At least Hafeez is more brave than these 2.
 
A year ago: Azhar is the best opener in the world. It’s not even up for debate.
Now: Worthless investment; has the batting capability of a tail-ender.

Never a dull day with Pakistani fans.
 
Harsh on Azhar, he has had his moments

Asad though, cant remember the last game he won us

Most of his tons have come in losses or draws, and these aren't draws that are hard fought but games that you knew would be a draw by the second day.

Isn't it Asad who at least scores one grand 100 - 150 in tough conditions abroad?

Whether Ppakistan then go on to win those games is another debate, and doesn't have much to do with him seeing that he isn't a bowler.
 
Harsh on Azhar, he has had his moments

Asad though, cant remember the last game he won us

Most of his tons have come in losses or draws, and these aren't draws that are hard fought but games that you knew would be a draw by the second day.


Its a shame because he is a nice guy, but he has been an utter waste of 8 years of continuous selection

Azhar is far from a match-winning batsman himself. He has no presence at the crease and fails to put the opposition under pressure, and his playing style suffocates his own team. Nothing more than the Misbah of ODIs. As the flagship batsman of the team, his negative brand of a cricket is not a positive influence on the younger lot.

It is obviously unrealistic to drop him because he is the most productive batsman in the team after the retirement of Younis and Misbah, but we should lower our expectations because he is nowhere near good enough to lead the batting lineup.
 
Azhar has improved over time. I hate his technique but it does work to an extent. Asad 'talented' Shafiq has been a complete waste of an investment. I don't intend to bring Fawad Alam into this as I am not his biggest fan either but wonder what he could have achieved by spending so long in the national team.
 
Azhar has done decently in the past but I don't understand how shafiq keeps getting chances. Time to replace him with a talented youngster.
 
I hope Fawad is flown in to replace an 'injured' batter. Put an end to this ridiculous myth once and for all. There is no batsman in Pakistan at the moment that will perform at an acceptable level in these conditions. None.
 
Isn't it Asad who at least scores one grand 100 - 150 in tough conditions abroad?

Whether Ppakistan then go on to win those games is another debate, and doesn't have much to do with him seeing that he isn't a bowler.

I think you are getting confused with what Younis would do. Ie do nothing in all but one innigs where you play a great match winning hundred.

Asad is a poor mans, Younis. Do nothing all series than score a slow hundred in a hopeless situation in order to secure your spot for the next tour

The only series in tough conditions that I can remember him having a consistent impact was the last Eng tour. I hope for all our sakes that a similar story happens this time.


Some will say his cape town hundred was good, and yes it was, but that was a pitch that Ajmal took 10 wickets on and Robin Peterson was also spinning it comfortably. Not a South African pitch at all. Some perspective is needed
 
Apart from poor technique Azhar can survive if the bowlers ball away from the stamps so he can leave the balls, plus he is timid type player. He does not have the ability to lead the team
 
A year ago: Azhar is the best opener in the world. It’s not even up for debate.
Now: Worthless investment; has the batting capability of a tail-ender.

Never a dull day with Pakistani fans.

Tell me about it :))
 
Asad is continuing Misbah's legacy of never winning games himself and always contributing his best when the team still comes up short. Azhar has a pathetic pressure enticing batting style but it has worked numerous times. Shafiq is the most pathetic player I can recall from a mental POV, Umar Amin level stuff. Any shred of responsibility and he collapses alongside his Oxford Dictionary technique. "He's done amazingly as a 6". No he's just a dud anywhere else while every other quality batsman at 6 has been able to actually progress up the order. Complete dud, waste of a decade.
 
Azhar has been very decent nothing special but still much better than asad technique shafiq who is really garbage should have been kicked a long time ago.I don't know why people talk about his good technique. He has always been vulnerable to inswinging deliveries. Have seen him a lot getting bowled and LBWs.useless garbage player
 
Azhar Ali and Asad Shafiq a pale shadow of Misbah ul Haq and Younis Khan

Seems like Azhar and Asad have faded into the background when the time to take responsibility has come, something Misbah ul Haq and Younis Khan did time and time again.
 
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Even If Azhar doesn’t play anymore tests he would end up among top 10 test bats produced by Pakistan
 
He doesn't have the caliber to be a leading batsman. He is not even as good as Misbah who was far from a world class batsman.

I do feel sorry for him to an extent. He has been entrusted with responsibility that he does not have the ability to handle. It is time for people to realize that a substandard, support batsman like him cannot lead the batting unit and they should lower their expectations.

However, I feel that it is time to move on from him. His negative style of cricket strangles the team, and he should be replaced by a couple of batsmen who can score more quickly. It will be worth giving Usman and Saad a chance, and Fakhar at number 6 also looks an interesting choice.

If Pakistan can find a couple of batsmen who can average around 35-40 at a SR of 50+, which is doable even by our lowly standards, Azhar will not be missed.
 
Don't insult a legend like Younis by putting him in the same bracket as Misbah.
 
Azhar Ali cant be blamed

He is a middle order batsmen simply.

I dont know why he is asked to open the innings when its evident that his technique is of such that he is more suited at middle order

Even Misbah sucked at the top order. He couldnt play the new ball. He avgs above 40, because he played in the middle.

Its time, the team management realize this and bring Azhar at middle.

Babar azam has played his whole life as an opener, dont know why he is at middle
 
Shafiq is a nice guy in person but the guy just doesnt have it in him.

I doubt he will even retire with an average of 40. That is so poor for a batsman.

Poor poor investment.
 
Azhar Ali cant be blamed

He is a middle order batsmen simply.

I dont know why he is asked to open the innings when its evident that his technique is of such that he is more suited at middle order

Even Misbah sucked at the top order. He couldnt play the new ball. He avgs above 40, because he played in the middle.

Its time, the team management realize this and bring Azhar at middle.

Babar azam has played his whole life as an opener, dont know why he is at middle

Misbah had a gear than Azhar does not. He could take spinners to the cleaners and had the ability to score quickly. You can tie Azhar at one end and simply attack the other batsmen, and he will not be able to seize the initiative from the bowlers.
 
Usman needs to be given a chance. Enough is enough. Poor guy has been flown around everywhere and is yet to debut whilst Shafiq continues to let us down.
 
That says more about our batting history than Azhar's quality.

Azhar has been a decent top order batsman by international standards. He's going through a bad patch and might not even recover but lets give him crdit for what he has achieved in his career.

Just an year back he hit 1000 runs in the calendar year that alone is a feat not achieved by many batsmen in cricket.

Yes he is a player of limited ability but people need to stop grouping him with a timid character like shafiq
 
That says more about our batting history than Azhar's quality.

Azhar has been a decent top order batsman by international standards. He's going through a bad patch and might not even recover but lets give him crdit for what he has achieved in his career.

Just an year back he hit 1000 runs in the calendar year that alone is a feat not achieved by many batsmen in cricket.

Yes he is a player of limited ability but people need to stop grouping him with a timid character like shafiq

62 matches, 5200 runs @45+with 14 hundreds and 200 in Aus, 100 in England is absolutely international standard
 
Pakistan can't afford to carry both Azhar and Asad in the same team. One has to go and it should be Asad who has a heart of a chicken. This guy has played almost 60 tests and he still bats like he is on debut.
 
Why are people slandering Azhar Ali so much?He has scored the most runs in tests for Pakistan in the last 3 years.He scored a fifty in his last match.He is going through a horrible run of form but don't compare him to a mental midget like Azhar has already had a decent career.But he won't be dropped anytime soon,after MisYou retired.
 
Azhar has been a decent top order batsman by international standards. He's going through a bad patch and might not even recover but lets give him crdit for what he has achieved in his career.

Just an year back he hit 1000 runs in the calendar year that alone is a feat not achieved by many batsmen in cricket.

Yes he is a player of limited ability but people need to stop grouping him with a timid character like shafiq

62 matches, 5200 runs @45+with 14 hundreds and 200 in Aus, 100 in England is absolutely international standard

He has been a decent batsman who has had a great season, but if he already makes into the top 10 greatest Pakistani batsman of all time, then it shows that Pakistan have a weak batting history.

Someone like Azhar would have no legacy in countries like India, Australia, South Africa and England.
 
Why are people slandering Azhar Ali so much?He has scored the most runs in tests for Pakistan in the last 3 years.He scored a fifty in his last match.He is going through a horrible run of form but don't compare him to a mental midget like Shafiq.Azhar has already had a decent career.But he won't be dropped anytime soon,after MisYou retired,he is the most senior player.

The last time Azhar had such a bad run of form was in 2013/2014 when he returned to form in the famous Sharjah chase.
 
Azhar Ali cant be blamed

He is a middle order batsmen simply.

I dont know why he is asked to open the innings when its evident that his technique is of such that he is more suited at middle order

Even Misbah sucked at the top order. He couldnt play the new ball. He avgs above 40, because he played in the middle.

Its time, the team management realize this and bring Azhar at middle.

Babar azam has played his whole life as an opener, dont know why he is at middle

Very well known babar still struggling to establish himself as a test batsman
Azhar was no.3 in tests for a long time and recently he had success opening the inns scoring 100s 200s and 300s. He is simply out of form due to lack of cricket, he had no PSL. Last he played was in NZL ODIs where he struggled too. So far this year he is yet to play a good inns or at least a 50.

If Azhar is struggling as an opener can be asked to bat at no.3 and add another opener at the top either Sami aslam or FAKHAR not at the expense of making babar bat at the top again where he failed already.
 
He has been a decent batsman who has had a great season, but if he already makes into the top 10 greatest Pakistani batsman of all time, then it shows that Pakistan have a weak batting history.

Someone like Azhar would have no legacy in countries like India, Australia, South Africa and England.

I never said he would be among Top batsmen in Aus, England etc so I dont know what are you trying to prove
 
I never said he would be among Top batsmen in Aus, England etc so I dont know what are you trying to prove

I know, that is why I said that if Azhar makes into Pakistan's top 10 batsmen, it says less about Azhar's greatness and more about our weak batting history.
 
I know, that is why I said that if Azhar makes into Pakistan's top 10 batsmen, it says less about Azhar's greatness and more about our weak batting history.

You are right on that, but we as Pakistanis should learn to appreciate players who have done well for us and not start going after them as soon as they hit bad patch. Azhar has not been a worthless investment he has achieved enough in his career to be called a good investment
 
Not sure why people are going after Azhar Ali. If we could put up with Misbah ul Haq for 7 long years then there shouldn't be any targeting of Azhar Ali who bats and operates the same way.
 
Not sure why people are going after Azhar Ali. If we could put up with Misbah ul Haq for 7 long years then there shouldn't be any targeting of Azhar Ali who bats and operates the same way.

He’s actually a better test bat than misbah
 
Misbah had a gear than Azhar does not. He could take spinners to the cleaners and had the ability to score quickly. You can tie Azhar at one end and simply attack the other batsmen, and he will not be able to seize the initiative from the bowlers.

Azhar only gets out of his shell when the other batsmen do all the manly hard work when it comes to taking risks, aggressive stroke play. He will never do it himself. Very easy batsman to tie down otherwise for most high level teams.
 
He’s actually a better test bat than misbah

I agree. Atleast he has the guts to face the new ball. I think Misbah attacked spin better to make up for his snoozefests against pacers but Azhar plays the pacers better and has a wider variety of shots against them. Their respective strengths and weaknesses cancel each other out. I just find it hypocritical for fans to be going after Azhar Ali when they never did so against Misbah
 
Azhar is getting a lot of criticism. He is a level above Asad who should get the chop first. Azhar is #6 on the list of batsman who have faced most deliveries in the last two years despite playing far less cricket than the Indian and English batsmen.
 
Azhar has done a good job for Pakistan. He has limitations but we can't ditch him when we already have such an inexperienced line up
 
Neither are long innings batsmen. Azhar is very good against the new ball (for Pakistan standards) and consistently blunts the ball and gets starts. But lacks the range of shots required to build an innings usually. He's the typical opener mold, often teams send out these players as openers as they'll blunt the ball so the better players down the order score big (often at four). Having said we've badly needed a player like that, we haven't had one for a long time.

Asad is just inconsistent and doesn't go big on his starts. He bats middle order too, so it's not really acceptable as the top order has already faced the tougher conditions. Technically he is good enough, but I don't think he's developed the mentality to consistently get big scores. He doesn't do in domestic, so hasn't learnt to do it internationals.


Younis and Misbah are different batsmen, they have a more well rounded game, more shots and ability to make bigger scores than Azhar. Younis probably should have been batting lower than 3 really.

For middle order bats really you need to be coming in with a domestic average of around 50. If you can't rack up the runs middle order where batting conditions are easier, you're doing something wrong.

I think it would look a whole lot stronger our team if we made sure that the only batsmen who get a place in the middle order are guys who average around 50. Fill the middle order with guys like Haris, Usman, Saad, even Fawad.

Given Asad can't get consistent big scores, I've long advocated bat him up the order, and if he doesn't perform, get him out. Bat him at no.3 ideally, either he takes responsibility or sinks. And leave the big scoring batsmen down the order.
 
Azhar and Shafiq are not scoring tons of runs at the moment but they are still better than the useless Misbah what he was in his last years .
 
Azhar and Asad are the worst long term investment Pakistan has ever made. Cutting them and getting rid of them is the right thing to do now, but we will stick with them.

These two never score in crunch, Azhar played a good innings once, they can not be counted to pile on the score. We be much better served going with Fawad, Usman S, Saad A and Saud S
 
Pathetic these two.

They were always timid and soft, inconsistent, even when they had Misbah and YK protecting them.

Now, they're further exposed.
 
The biggest difference between these two and misbah-younis is that the latter scored runs when it mattered.

Misbah didn’t score many centuries but he scored runs for us more often than not when we needed him the most.

Asad is the more quilty of this than Azhar. Shafiq never scores runs when the pressure is high. Yes occasionally he does score runs with the tail, but it’s usually when the game is lost and the pressure is off.
 
The biggest difference between these two and misbah-younis is that the latter scored runs when it mattered.

Misbah didn’t score many centuries but he scored runs for us more often than not when we needed him the most.

Asad is the more quilty of this than Azhar. Shafiq never scores runs when the pressure is high. Yes occasionally he does score runs with the tail, but it’s usually when the game is lost and the pressure is off.

Misbah was the crisis man. Rescue 911.
 
Azhar and Shafiq are not scoring tons of runs at the moment but they are still better than the useless Misbah what he was in his last years .

Laughable comment.

Misbah 2016- England. Man of the series!

West Indies (final series). Average of 60 odd.

Hardly useless !
 
We will feel the true gap left from YK and Misbah, when we have home matches in UAE and our batsmen look clueless against spin.

Azhar and Asad are certainly not replacements for them.
 
I don't agree Azhar was a bad investment - he resolved one of the opening spots for those tough overseas tours we had in 2016-17.

Shafiq's inconsistency is infuriating but not surprising given his FC average when he was called up. You can't expect a cow to lay eggs or a chicken to produce milk. However I thought he was fine looking at this tour in isolation - he scored important 1st innings fifties at Lord's and Malahide, and the dismissals were mostly good deliveries.

He outperformed Azhar who had a torrid time bar that one good fifty at Lord's.

It's been reported that the two are lining up county deals which would be hugely beneficial. These long gaps between Test series don't do them any favours, especially since they are Test specialists.

Plus at their age when your reflexes start to slow down, they need to be playing as much cricket as possible.
 
There is no comparison.

Misbah and Younis most of the time performed when the pressure was on, Azhar and Asad go missing most of the time when the pressure is on.
 
Younis and Misbah are the last from a bygone era, we need new heroes to emerge alas that Azhar and Shafiq will never be.
 
Please do not mention Misbah, Azhar, and Asad in the same sentence with Younis who was without a doubt a world class clutch batsman.
 
Please do not mention Misbah, Azhar, and Asad in the same sentence with Younis who was without a doubt a world class clutch batsman.

Misbah himself doesn't compare his career with Younis. However as a partnership they are statistically amongst the best we ever had and got us of trouble countless times. Its difficult to replace their combined runs and experience.
 
Misbah himself doesn't compare his career with Younis. However as a partnership they are statistically amongst the best we ever had and got us of trouble countless times. Its difficult to replace their combined runs and experience.

Agreed. Misbah bailed Pakistan out several times. Even, in his last series, he played a significant role in winning Pakistan their first ever series in WI.
 
https://dailytimes.com.pk/249129/azhar-ali-and-asad-shafiq-likely-to-get-county-contracts/

LAHORE: Pakistan cricketers Azhar Ali and Asad Shafiq are looking to stints in county cricket as Pakistan attempt to find ways to ensure their Test specialists play regular higher quality cricket. Somerset and Surrey were believed to be the two counties the duo are in talks with as they try and replace Matt Renshaw and Virat Kohli respectively, although a Surrey spokesman has since denied that this was the case, Either way, that stint would not have been a long one, though a Somerset deal could potentially be for the summer. Both are likely to find out within a day or so, and the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) is actively encouraging their search.

“Our chosen players, we’re hoping to get Azhar and Asad to play some county cricket,” Mickey Arthur, the Pakistan coach, said. “There is a little bit of interest at the moment, for a short period of time. Because those guys don’t go to these T20 leagues and stuff, if they were to play county cricket we’d certainly encourage that.”

Azhar and Shafiq had mixed returns from Pakistan’s tour of Ireland and England and neither had the kind of tour expected from a senior player. Shafiq made two fifties across three Tests though he did look in form at both Lord’s and Headingley and was removed twice by unplayable deliveries. He also had a big hundred in the warm-up game against Northamptonshire. Azhar, Pakistan’s most successful Test batsman over the last couple of years, had a poor tour outright, averaging a shade over 12 across the three Tests. Part of the problem was that neither had played an international match since October last year – and they will now not play another Test till the coming October. An odd year apart, that has been the nature of Pakistan’s Test schedule for a number of years – their home season followed by a long gap before the odd summer tour and another gap till the following winter.
 
As for the County stints it would have been better if they came in the early part of their careers as it's very difficult to change/improve both of them now.
 
As for the County stints it would have been better if they came in the early part of their careers as it's very difficult to change/improve both of them now.

Counties have to demand them, they have to look and perform world class, they cannot go up to a county and request the county to pick them.
 
Counties have to demand them, they have to look and perform world class, they cannot go up to a county and request the county to pick them.

That's obvious.

What I am saying is that it would have been more beneficial to both Azhar and Asad if they had played County cricket earlier in their careers.
 
Thanks to Misbah getting every role under the sun, it appears that our two stalwarts will continue for another 5 years.
 
Thanks to Misbah getting every role under the sun, it appears that our two stalwarts will continue for another 5 years.

Azhar Ali should be shown the door for his pathetic tailender form for the last 2 years.
 
Please do not mention Misbah, Azhar, and Asad in the same sentence with Younis who was without a doubt a world class clutch batsman.

For once I agree with you.

It's pathetic how vastly inferior batsmen like Misbah are made to be comparable to a class act like Younis Khan.
 
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