Azhar Ali averages 66.11 in Tests over the last two years; higher than both Joe Root and Virat Kohli

[Muhammad10]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Test batting average in the last 2 years:<br>Azhar Ali 66.11<br>Joe Root 58.28<br>Virat Kohli 54.80<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/786979523644514304">October 14, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[Obstructing_the_field]

champion.. but then he has played less to no cricket outside subcontinent apart from recent eng tour... need to compare after NZ and Aus series. if he is still on the top, then we can b sure of his greatness

 

[troodon]

A champion batsmen.

Kohli can only dream about scoring 300. His best effort was a 200 against the same attack.

 

[pakpukhtun]

The difference is that India and england have media behind their players while we dont have that much resources for our players. kohli and root would be on every front page if they did what azhar did.

 

[Ab Fan]

Azhar has a solid temperament..

He need to score runs overseas and a 50 test avg is not far from him.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

The difference is that India and england have media behind their players while we dont have that much resources for our players. kohli and root would be on every front page if they did what azhar did.

Not sure about media but on PP Kohli and Root's innings would have been downplayed because "it came against a weak WI attack", "the pitch was a road".

 

[Bilal7]

Not sure about media but on PP Kohli and Root's innings would have been downplayed because "it came against a weak WI attack", "the pitch was a road".

It was a flat pitch and it came against a weak bowling attack. However, it was still a good innings.

Kohli and Azhar are on the same level, with Root a level above them.

 

[aloo paratha]

Incredible, didn't know his average was that good although I knew he was a consistent performer.

 

[Saj]

Azhar needs to invite more media to his house, feed them, buy them gifts and leak team information then he will be liked by them

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

It was a flat pitch and it came against a weak bowling attack. However, it was still a good innings.

Kohli and Azhar are on the same level, with Root a level above them.

No they are not.

Azhar is a way better test batsman.

Kohli has a long way to go (of course potential is there).

 

[IcedCoffee]

No they are not.

Azhar is a way better test batsman.

Kohli has a long way to go (of course potential is there).

Azhar is better in England, but I want to see how he performs in Aus (provided they don't change their flat tracks to the pitches of years past) given that there's considerable bounce and pace to negotiate. Kohli was a champion player there. After the OZ tour, we'll get a proper comparison of the two.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Azhar is better in England, but I want to see how he performs in Aus (provided they don't change their flat tracks to the pitches of years past) given that there's considerable bounce and pace to negotiate. Kohli was a champion player there. After the OZ tour, we'll get a proper comparison of the two.

Fair enough. If Azhar doesn't perform in OZ then he won't deserve praise.

But so far, he's done pretty well almost always opening for Pakistan

 

[IcedCoffee]

Fair enough. If Azhar doesn't perform in OZ then he won't deserve praise.

But so far, he's done pretty well almost always opening for Pakistan

No doubt. He's probably our best test batsmen who shows an appetite for big scores apart from YK.

 

[athar000]

He is better then Virat Kohli in test cricket , but Joe Root is from another planet.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

It was a flat pitch and it came against a weak bowling attack. However, it was still a good innings.

Kohli and Azhar are on the same level, with Root a level above them.

It was definitely a good innings, no other batsmen scored a century. So yes full credits to that.

The post was more of a dig at posters here who use convenient argument to downplay achievements of Indian players.

Like how you claim those pitches to be spin friendly, turners from day 1 and if I'm quoting you right "a pitch where you don't need skill to pick wickets" the very pitch which Kohli has recently scored a double ton. Yet you go onto say they both are of same level. Remind me on which turner has Azhar scored such a knock?

Azhar is a very good batsmen but any fan without bias would rate him just a notch below the top tier.

 

[TestMatch]

Azhar averages 66 over the last two years because Bangladesh, UAE and West Indies.

Who do Pak play after the WI? New Zealand down at Christchurch? If so, that will be his test.

 

[Mamoon]

No they are not.

Azhar is a way better test batsman.

Kohli has a long way to go (of course potential is there).

Kohli is in a different league to Azhar at the moment. Azhar can match him if he dominates Australia in Australia.

What Kohli did in Australia was the stuff of gods, and he did much better in SA as well. Azhar has failed overseas except one innings, and it is not enough to override Kohli's failures in England.

 

[Bilal7]

It was definitely a good innings, no other batsmen scored a century. So yes full credits to that.

The post was more of a dig at posters here who use convenient argument to downplay achievements of Indian players.

Like how you claim those pitches to be spin friendly, turners from day 1 and if I'm quoting you right "a pitch where you don't need skill to pick wickets" the very pitch which Kohli has recently scored a double ton. Yet you go onto say they both are of same level. Remind me on which turner has Azhar scored such a knock?

Azhar is a very good batsmen but any fan without bias would rate him just a notch below the top tier.

You misquote me. I was speaking of the general pitches that India lay out these days like Mohali and Nagpur last year and the first (two) pitches of the series against New Zealand, along with a few all the way back to 2012.

That last pitch was a normal pitch and Kohli and Ashwin both did quite well. Had Azhar gotten out for 200, I would have rated Kohli's innings higher. Regardless, it is silly to compare players based on one innings alone.

Kohli is not in the top tier, neither is Azhar. The top tier contains Amla and maybe Cook and maybe Younis. This is something that most fans agree with.

 

[Bilal7]

Azhar averages 66 over the last two years because Bangladesh, UAE and West Indies.

Who do Pak play after the WI? New Zealand down at Christchurch? If so, that will be his test.

He's not getting dropped anytime soon, no matter how poorly he fares in New Zealand.

 

[EliteCynical]

If (Azhar And Most runs in Subcontinent) Then (Way better than Kohli)
If (Ashwin and most wickets in subcontinent) then (Nah, no where near Yasir. Needs to prove abroad).

Hmm....

 

[Cricfan4eva]

You misquote me.

Well. You didn't specify that here...

Neither. He's simply playing on pitches that are absolutely glorious for spinners to the extent that skill isn't even a prerequisite for getting wickets.

Plus, bowling second on these pitches also helps.

That last pitch was a normal pitch and Kohli and Ashwin both did quite well. Had Azhar gotten out for 200, I would have rated Kohli's innings higher. Regardless, it is silly to compare players based on one innings alone.

I never intended to compare their innings anyway. Azhar's knock was great. Any knock above 300 even on flattest of roads is not ordinary. It is special.

Kohli is not in the top tier, neither is Azhar. The top tier contains Amla and maybe Cook and maybe Younis. This is something that most fans agree with.

Well the problem here is no one is saying Kohli or for that matter Root, Williamson, Rahane or Smith are top tier.

They are just touted to be potential greats. Azhar isn't, why? a) because he's yet to prove himself all around the world and that includes countries other than ENGLAND. b) Age simply isn't on his side unless he does a Misbah and plays on till 42 to rake up the numbers and end up as a ATG.

 

[shaz619]

It's a lot harder to score runs in England then on the modern Aussie pitches, Kohli looked like a tailender the last time he was in England it's an insult to mention him in the same sentence as Azhar Ali, Kohli doesn't even have a triple hundred, he approaches Test cricket the same way he approaches ODI cricket. Unfortunately, the media have brainwashed the masses to worship mediocrity and Indian/Pretend-Pakistan fans have overly hyped the Motorway King.

 

[Bilal7]

Well. You didn't specify that here...







I never intended to compare their innings anyway. Azhar's knock was great. Any knock above 300 even on flattest of roads is not ordinary. It is special.



Well the problem here is no one is saying Kohli or for that matter Root, Williamson, Rahane or Smith are top tier.

They are just touted to be potential greats. Azhar isn't, why? a) because he's yet to prove himself all around the world and that includes countries other than ENGLAND. b) Age simply isn't on his side unless he does a Misbah and plays on till 42 to rake up the numbers and end up as a ATG.

That sounds like a pretty general statement but you're not the first one to call me out on it so the fault must be mine. Apologies.

I agre with the second reasoning, age is not on his side. He's almost 32 and will not improve much further whereas someone like Root definitely has that room.

However, as of now and putting potential, etc aside, I don't see much to separate between Kohli, Azhar, Pujara, Rahane, Shafiq and Vijay. Potentially, Rahane can be an ATG but he hasn't had a breakthrough series yet which is why he's still grouped with the pack.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

I've gone through his complete test career innings wise and he has been good ever since he has made a comeback after the South African tour. He made his first century after 27 or so innings so he has done well and has converted starts.

His single digit scores since his comeback are also at a minimum and only Manchester test was such where he scored a single figure in each innings. The boy is a genuinely good cricketer and a nice guy to boot and deserves to enjoy his purple patch on flatter tracks that UAE has. His fitness is exemplary as normally when a player scores 300 runs, there are plenty of sixes. Inzamam as a much higher boundary percentage as comparison to Azhar in his 300.

His average figures will be bloated after this 300 though, so let's not just flaunt his average number atm. It's a good innings against not a very good but still international attack on an extremely docile track where other batsmen failed to score big.

Credit where due but let's wait till the end of this test.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

That sounds like a pretty general statement but you're not the first one to call me out on it so the fault must be mine. Apologies.

I agre with the second reasoning, age is not on his side. He's almost 32 and will not improve much further whereas someone like Root definitely has that room.

However, as of now and putting potential, etc aside, I don't see much to separate between Kohli, Azhar, Pujara, Rahane, Shafiq and Vijay. Potentially, Rahane can be an ATG but he hasn't had a breakthrough series yet which is why he's still grouped with the pack.

I'll tell you what sets them apart.

Kohli - 8 out of 13 tons outside Asia (1 double ton, his first actually)
Rahane - 4 out of 8 tons outside Asia


Pujara - 1 out of 8 tons outside Asia
Azhar Ali - 1 out of 11 tons outside Asia

Gives you a bit of perspective doesn't it? And that is why, I again emphasise any fan without bias against Kohli rates him higher than likes of Pujara, Azhar Ali.

 

[Square Drive]

Champ.

Imagine what his numbers would be if he actually got to play at home.

 

[Buffet]

Outside Asia:

Ali - 20 tests - 1 ton

Kohli - 24 tests - 8 tons


In Asia:

Ali - 30 tests - 10 tons

Kohli - 24 tests - 5 tons


Take your pick.

Ali has already played 20 tests outside of Asia and he will play some more in coming months. Let's see how many more tons he adds to his list here.

 

[Buffet]

Root has 8 tons in 28 tests in Eng. 1 each in SA and WI in total 18 tests away from home.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Anyone who can score 300 in a test match and averages 46 is world class. Azhar is their equal.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Kohli is in a different league to Azhar at the moment. Azhar can match him if he dominates Australia in Australia.

What Kohli did in Australia was the stuff of gods, and he did much better in SA as well. Azhar has failed overseas except one innings, and it is not enough to override Kohli's failures in England.

Almost all teams' tailenders (Pak including ) who visited England batted better than Kohli.

"stuff of gods"

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Kohli is in a different league to Azhar at the moment. Azhar can match him if he dominates Australia in Australia.

What Kohli did in Australia was the stuff of gods, and he did much better in SA as well. Azhar has failed overseas except one innings, and it is not enough to override Kohli's failures in England.

I only follow Pak cricket but just to check "stuff of gods":
Here are some interesting Aus v Ind stats (to put things in perspective:

MOST RUNS IN A SERIES 5700+ Aggregate runs scored this series, the most ever in a series of four or fewer Tests.*that's everywhere, SC including*

MAKING HISTORY 769 Runs scored by Steven Smith in this series, the most by any batsman in a Test series of four or fewer matches *What does that make Steven Smith? Eh [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] El Papa god?

THE BLEEDING BOWLERS 23 Number of times that a bowler has conceded 100+ runs in this series, the most ever in a Test series. *And folks at PP bash UAE curators and PCB for pattas, eh [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] ?

LEADING FROM THE FRONT 7 Number of hundreds scored by captains in this series, the most ever in a Test series *Again nothing extraordinary, these were flat wickets, no contest between bat and ball: so batsmen pwned bowlers mercilessly*

Here are series batting stats: http://stats.espncricinfo.com/austr...ing/most_runs_career.html?id=9323;type=series

TLDR: Smith scored 4 tons at average of 128 and Warner scored 3. Record number of runs were scored. People spout stats at PP without any kind of context (and in my insignificant opinion it lowers PP's quality.)

Series stats: http://stats.espncricinfo.com/austr...engine/records/index.html?id=9323;type=series

 

[abc_to_xyz]

He is a superb test batsman. But sadly its the opposite for ODIs.

 

[Junaids]

I only follow Pak cricket but just to check "stuff of gods":
Here are some interesting Aus v Ind stats (to put things in perspective:

MOST RUNS IN A SERIES 5700+ Aggregate runs scored this series, the most ever in a series of four or fewer Tests.*that's everywhere, SC including*

MAKING HISTORY 769 Runs scored by Steven Smith in this series, the most by any batsman in a Test series of four or fewer matches *What does that make Steven Smith? Eh [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] El Papa god?

THE BLEEDING BOWLERS 23 Number of times that a bowler has conceded 100+ runs in this series, the most ever in a Test series. *And folks at PP bash UAE curators and PCB for pattas, eh [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] ?

LEADING FROM THE FRONT 7 Number of hundreds scored by captains in this series, the most ever in a Test series *Again nothing extraordinary, these were flat wickets, no contest between bat and ball: so batsmen pwned bowlers mercilessly*

Here are series batting stats: http://stats.espncricinfo.com/austr...ing/most_runs_career.html?id=9323;type=series

TLDR: Smith scored 4 tons at average of 128 and Warner scored 3. Record number of runs were scored. People spout stats at PP without any kind of context (and in my insignificant opinion it lowers PP's quality.)

Series stats: http://stats.espncricinfo.com/austr...engine/records/index.html?id=9323;type=series

Superb post.

I have to say, however, that I think both Azhar Ali and Virat Kohli have a lot to prove after their Test performances in South Africa and England respectively.

I actually think that Asad Shafiq and Rahane are more acccomplished Test batsmen. Both Azhar and Kohli do much better on grassless tracks.

 

[cricketjoshila]

No they are not.

Azhar is a way better test batsman.

Kohli has a long way to go (of course potential is there).

Azhar Ali avgs 30.8 outside Asia including ZIM,with one century.Age almost 32.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...rderby=default;template=results;type=allround


Virat Kohli avgs 46.16 outside Asia,hasnt played vs ZIM. With 8 centuries. Age Almost 28.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...rderby=default;template=results;type=allround

Can you telll me why the Wayy better test batsman has way less number of runs,avg and centuries outside Asia?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Superb post.

I have to say, however, that I think both Azhar Ali and Virat Kohli have a lot to prove after their Test performances in South Africa and England respectively.

I actually think that Asad Shafiq and Rahane are more acccomplished Test batsmen. Both Azhar and Kohli do much better on grassless tracks.

Asad Shafiq avgs 27.9 outside Asia.Accomplished batsman.LOL.

 

[Mamoon]

Almost all teams' tailenders (Pak including ) who visited England batted better than Kohli.

"stuff of gods"

I only follow Pak cricket but just to check "stuff of gods":
Here are some interesting Aus v Ind stats (to put things in perspective:

MOST RUNS IN A SERIES 5700+ Aggregate runs scored this series, the most ever in a series of four or fewer Tests.*that's everywhere, SC including*

MAKING HISTORY 769 Runs scored by Steven Smith in this series, the most by any batsman in a Test series of four or fewer matches *What does that make Steven Smith? Eh [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] El Papa god?

THE BLEEDING BOWLERS 23 Number of times that a bowler has conceded 100+ runs in this series, the most ever in a Test series. *And folks at PP bash UAE curators and PCB for pattas, eh [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] ?

LEADING FROM THE FRONT 7 Number of hundreds scored by captains in this series, the most ever in a Test series *Again nothing extraordinary, these were flat wickets, no contest between bat and ball: so batsmen pwned bowlers mercilessly*

Here are series batting stats: http://stats.espncricinfo.com/austr...ing/most_runs_career.html?id=9323;type=series

TLDR: Smith scored 4 tons at average of 128 and Warner scored 3. Record number of runs were scored. People spout stats at PP without any kind of context (and in my insignificant opinion it lowers PP's quality.)

Series stats: http://stats.espncricinfo.com/austr...engine/records/index.html?id=9323;type=series

I don't think I have the energy or the desire to explain 2+2 at 5:30 in the morning but,

Smith bashing Indian bowlers (who are useless according to PPers) at home is by no means comparable to Kohli scoring 4 hundreds in 4 Tests against Australian bowlers.

Australian conditions don't offer lateral movement but the extra pace and bounce is too difficult to handle for Asian batsmen.

Their flat decks is not like UAE flat decks because there is still a lot more pace and bounce comparatively.

Indeed, what Kohli did in that series was nothing short of miraculous and clearly 'the stuff of gods'.

No other Indian batsmen managed to dominate the Australian bowlers like Kohli did and Azhar and Shafiq will do really well to collectively score as many runs and hundreds in Australia in a few months time as Kohli did on his own.

No Asian player ever has scored so many runs and scored so many hundreds on one tour of Australia.

Let alone any Asian batsman, no other batsman from any country can tour Australia and dominate like Kohli.

Yes he failed in England badly but one bad tour doesn't undermine his brilliance in Australia and a very good record in South Africa and New Zealand.

Azhar has proved nothing outside the UAE except one hundred at Edgbaston. He has failed in pretty much every other innings and Kohli is much, much ahead of him as a Test batsman.

I don't know what Junaids liked in your post because with all due and undue respect, I think your post was rubbish and completely devoid of any logic and objectivity.

Calling Azhar a better Test batsman than Kohli is like calling Jadeja a better spinner than Yasir.

They are simply in different leagues.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I only follow Pak cricket but just to check "stuff of gods":
Here are some interesting Aus v Ind stats (to put things in perspective:

MOST RUNS IN A SERIES 5700+ Aggregate runs scored this series, the most ever in a series of four or fewer Tests.*that's everywhere, SC including*

MAKING HISTORY 769 Runs scored by Steven Smith in this series, the most by any batsman in a Test series of four or fewer matches *What does that make Steven Smith? Eh [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] El Papa god?

THE BLEEDING BOWLERS 23 Number of times that a bowler has conceded 100+ runs in this series, the most ever in a Test series. *And folks at PP bash UAE curators and PCB for pattas, eh [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] ?

LEADING FROM THE FRONT 7 Number of hundreds scored by captains in this series, the most ever in a Test series *Again nothing extraordinary, these were flat wickets, no contest between bat and ball: so batsmen pwned bowlers mercilessly*

Here are series batting stats: http://stats.espncricinfo.com/austr...ing/most_runs_career.html?id=9323;type=series

TLDR: Smith scored 4 tons at average of 128 and Warner scored 3. Record number of runs were scored. People spout stats at PP without any kind of context (and in my insignificant opinion it lowers PP's quality.)

Series stats: http://stats.espncricinfo.com/austr...engine/records/index.html?id=9323;type=series

You yourself said you watch only Pak matches and then you post stats and then you accuse people of posting stats without any context.

Next time watch a match.

And you are giving examples of Aussie batsman scoring on their home pitches to an subcontinental batsman scoring runs.And then you talk about context.

And last time i checked Kohli has more hundreds in AUS than YK Inzy MoYo combined.Tells you how difficult it is for SC batsman to score runs in AUS.

 

[Junaids]

I'm not saying Shafiq is top quality.

I just think that Azhar remains vulnerable to the ball angling in to his leg-stump.

I think Shafiq is more technically correct than Azhar, but with a less resilient temperament.

 

[Mamoon]

I only follow Pak cricket but just to check "stuff of gods":
Here are some interesting Aus v Ind stats (to put things in perspective:

MOST RUNS IN A SERIES 5700+ Aggregate runs scored this series, the most ever in a series of four or fewer Tests.*that's everywhere, SC including*

MAKING HISTORY 769 Runs scored by Steven Smith in this series, the most by any batsman in a Test series of four or fewer matches *What does that make Steven Smith? Eh [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] El Papa god?

THE BLEEDING BOWLERS 23 Number of times that a bowler has conceded 100+ runs in this series, the most ever in a Test series. *And folks at PP bash UAE curators and PCB for pattas, eh [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] ?

LEADING FROM THE FRONT 7 Number of hundreds scored by captains in this series, the most ever in a Test series *Again nothing extraordinary, these were flat wickets, no contest between bat and ball: so batsmen pwned bowlers mercilessly*

Here are series batting stats: http://stats.espncricinfo.com/austr...ing/most_runs_career.html?id=9323;type=series

TLDR: Smith scored 4 tons at average of 128 and Warner scored 3. Record number of runs were scored. People spout stats at PP without any kind of context (and in my insignificant opinion it lowers PP's quality.)

Series stats: http://stats.espncricinfo.com/austr...engine/records/index.html?id=9323;type=series

On second thought, I should have stopped reading after your confession that you only follow Pakistan cricket, because that says everything about the stats that you posted and what you inferred and extracted from them.

I suggest that you start watching cricket outside Pakistan soon, because it will help you avoid making shocking remarks like 'Azhar is a way better Test batsman than Kohli', since you are quite worried about lowering the quality of posts on PP to which you are contributing emphatically.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Azhar Ali avgs 30.8 outside Asia including ZIM,with one century.Age almost 32.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...rderby=default;template=results;type=allround


Virat Kohli avgs 46.16 outside Asia,hasnt played vs ZIM. With 8 centuries. Age Almost 28.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...rderby=default;template=results;type=allround

Can you telll me why the Wayy better test batsman has way less number of runs,avg and centuries outside Asia?

That's rhetorical. You answer your own question if you limit your views to stats only. Bradman is the GOAT and rest is history? What you say?

Still Azhar > Kohli for me. Has won games/series for us in clutch situations.

And I'd say the same even if Azhar averaged more than Kohli outside Asia. Overall Azhar is averaging higher than Kohli right now.

Kohli (the ODI player) is a gun player, I sure would rate him higher than other players who have better averages/SR in ODIs.

Get it?

 

[Mamoon]

I'm not saying Shafiq is top quality.

I just think that Azhar remains vulnerable to the ball angling in to his leg-stump.

I think Shafiq is more technically correct than Azhar, but with a less resilient temperament.

Shafiq is not a technical marvel himself. He is very vulnerable against the ball straying into his pads around middle and leg stump because he closes the face of the bat too early instead playing with a straight bat, and he was repeatedly dismissed in that fashion in England and would have been dismissed cheaply today had Holder gone for a review.

I really like Shafiq and I think he's a very fine player, but Azhar is simply a superior batsman to him at the moment in every way, and that will probably not change over the course of the next decade.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

I don't think I have the energy or the desire to explain 2+2 at 5:30 in the morning but,

It's 02:53AM here. Can't sleep as well.

Smith bashing Indian bowlers (who are useless according to PPers) at home is by no means comparable to Kohli scoring 4 hundreds in 4 Tests against Australian bowlers.

So? Records against India shouldn't be taken seriously? Believe it or not there was a thread here at PP where an Indian PP was convinced that Agarkar was a superior bowler than Akhtar. You yourself consider Buvneshwar Kumar the best in Asia. Don't you?

Australian conditions don't offer lateral movement but the extra pace and bounce is too difficult to handle for Asian batsmen.

Azhar / YK scored tons on pitches with lateral movement and extra bounce in England.

Their flat decks is not like UAE flat decks because there is still a lot more pace and bounce comparatively.

If everyone is getting runs, logic says it's easier to score. Re-check batting averages.

Indeed, what Kohli did in that series was nothing short of miraculous and clearly 'the stuff of gods'.

Don't be an uncle sam bruh.

No other Indian batsmen managed to dominate the Australian bowlers like Kohli did and Azhar and Shafiq will do really well to collectively score as many runs and hundreds in Australia in a few months time as Kohli did on his own.

So far Azhar and Shafiq drew a series for us in England. Where Kohli was pathetic (again I don't watch Indian cricket but apologies if he managed to get out in a way that was unlucky for him all the time )

No Asian player ever has scored so many runs and scored so many hundreds on one tour of Australia.

In a series where record number of runs were scored

Let alone any Asian batsman, no other batsman from any country can tour Australia and dominate like Kohli.

Time will tell that. Again, I only watch Pak but IIRC Sanga did pretty well there. No idea about saffers tho.

Yes he failed in England badly but one bad tour doesn't undermine his brilliance in Australia and a very good record in South Africa and New Zealand.

No it does not. But it also doesn't make him a "god".

Azhar has proved nothing outside the UAE except one hundred at Edgbaston. He has failed in pretty much every other innings and Kohli is much, much ahead of him as a Test batsman.

He is a hard worker and has won series for Pak. IMO that makes him better than Kohli. If Kohli scores a match-winning 100, he will be rated as well.

I don't know what Junaids liked in your post because with all due and undue respect, I think your post was rubbish and completely devoid of any logic and objectivity.

Your posts are delusion and it is the most pathetic site ever when a Pakistani tries so hard to become Indian Should we throw mud now?

Calling Azhar a better Test batsman than Kohli is like calling Jadeja a better spinner than Yasir.

Yasir has a match-winning 10fer in England. If Jadeja/Ashwin do it, then yep they are better than YS.

They are simply in different leagues.

Exactly
Azhar > Kohli
Yasir > Random Indian spinner

 

[Cricfan4eva]

It's 02:53AM here. Can't sleep as well.


So? Records against India shouldn't be taken seriously? Believe it or not there was a thread here at PP where an Indian PP was convinced that Agarkar was a superior bowler than Akhtar. You yourself consider Buvneshwar Kumar the best in Asia. Don't you?


Azhar / YK scored tons on pitches with lateral movement and extra bounce in England.


If everyone is getting runs, logic says it's easier to score. Re-check batting averages.


Don't be an uncle sam bruh.


So far Azhar and Shafiq drew a series for us in England. Where Kohli was pathetic (again I don't watch Indian cricket but apologies if he managed to get out in a way that was unlucky for him all the time )


In a series where record number of runs were scored


Time will tell that. Again, I only watch Pak but IIRC Sanga did pretty well there. No idea about saffers tho.


No it does not. But it also doesn't make him a "god".


He is a hard worker and has won series for Pak. IMO that makes him better than Kohli. If Kohli scores a match-winning 100, he will be rated as well.


Your posts are delusion and it is the most pathetic site ever when a Pakistani tries so hard to become Indian Should we throw mud now?



Yasir has a match-winning 10fer in England. If Jadeja/Ashwin do it, then yep they are better than YS.


Exactly
Azhar > Kohli
Yasir > Random Indian spinner

How many tons Azhar has outside Asia?

 

[Itachi]

Azhar Ali is definitely a minnow basher now.... That too, a damn good one.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Azhar Ali is definitely a minnow basher now.... That too, a damn good one.

Didn't you say the exact same thing about Babar a few days ago !!!!

Can you be a little more original

 

[Itachi]

Didn't you say the exact same thing about Babar a few days ago !!!!

Can you be a little more original

I changed my view regarding babar. That kid has something special. After long time, there's a Pakistani batsman whom I want to watch perform. Yes his sample size is small which lead to me, mis judging him but I accept my mistake and will state that, he is a future good batsman (at least if not better) in making.

 

[Napa]

Quite honestly, you can try to pull down Kohli all you want, but remember that when he gets down on the field it will be real Kohli you face, not the Kohli of your imagination. The last 3 times he has delivered match winning knocks against Pakistan (averaging over 100) and signs are that with his physical and mental abilities he will continue beatting Pakistan every time India plays them.

 

[saeed5646]

Quite honestly, you can try to pull down Kohli all you want, but remember that when he gets down on the field it will be real Kohli you face, not the Kohli of your imagination. The last 3 times he has delivered match winning knocks against Pakistan (averaging over 100) and signs are that with his physical and mental abilities he will continue beatting Pakistan every time India plays them.

LOl who have questioned kohli credential as a odi batsmen and you cannot forced any one to like a specific

player and as for Beating is concerned Younis khan will smash you as he did in his all test against india

 

[Adijazz1706]

Quite honestly, you can try to pull down Kohli all you want, but remember that when he gets down on the field it will be real Kohli you face, not the Kohli of your imagination. The last 3 times he has delivered match winning knocks against Pakistan (averaging over 100) and signs are that with his physical and mental abilities he will continue beatting Pakistan every time India plays them.

No one is questioning Kohli in ODIs, nice strawman though.

 

[Napa]

LOl who have questioned kohli credential as a odi batsmen and you cannot forced any one to like a specific

player and as for Beating is concerned <b>Younis khan will smash you as he did in his all test against india</b>

Last series YK played against India, he scores were 7, 23, 43, 107*, 80, and 0 for an average of 43.33. Hardly what I would call "smashing" and not enough to prevent Pakistan from losing the series.

 

[saeed5646]

Last series YK played against India, he scores were 7, 23, 43, 107*, 80, and 0 for an average of 43.33. Hardly what I would call "smashing" and not enough to prevent Pakistan from losing the series.

For your Kind information he averages 52 not 42 in that series and his overall average against india is 88 which i think is "Smashing"

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/batting/most_runs_career.html?id=3254;type=series

 

[saeed5646]

Last series YK played against India, he scores were 7, 23, 43, 107*, 80, and 0 for an average of 43.33. Hardly what I would call "smashing" and not enough to prevent Pakistan from losing the series.

well he smashed you in 2006 test series and win the series for us in 2006

Younis Khan (PAK) 3 matches 5 inning 553 runs highest 199 average 110

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/pakvi...ing/most_runs_career.html?id=2683;type=series

 

[street cricketer]

If (Azhar And Most runs in Subcontinent) Then (Way better than Kohli)
If (Ashwin and most wickets in subcontinent) then (Nah, no where near Yasir. Needs to prove abroad).

Hmm....

Ha ha, on one hand, Ashwin needs to prove his credentials abroad when he gets compared to Yasir. Fair enough.

On the other hand, somehow sub 30 averaging bats are superior to Kohli and Rahane who average 45+ away from Asia. Beats all the logic in the world.

 

[JaDed]

One can't even celebrate Ali's success without bringing down Kohli.

Congrats to Azhar though,wish media picks up more on this he is an improved player.

 

[Napa]

For your Kind information he averages 52 not 42 in that series and his overall average against india is 88 which i think is "Smashing"

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/batting/most_runs_career.html?id=3254;type=series

Yes, it is 52. I divided by 6, not remembering that he was not out once.

Anyway, in a series where Ganguly in one innings scored 239, while YK in six innings scored 260, I would hardly call that "smash you as he did in his all test against india". Do note that you used the word "all".

That was the last series India and Pakistan played, and India won 1-0. It should have been 2-0, but bad light stopped play in the 3rd game. Looking forward to more "smashing" by YK.

 

[saeed5646]

Yes, it is 52. I divided by 6, not remembering that he was not out once.

Anyway, in a series where Ganguly in one innings scored 239, while YK in six innings scored 260, I would hardly call that "smash you as he did in his all test against india". Do note that you used the word "all".

That was the last series India and Pakistan played, and India won 1-0. It should have been 2-0, but bad light stopped play in the 3rd game. Looking forward to more "smashing" by YK.

well he smashed you in 2006 test series and win the series for us in 2006

Younis Khan (PAK) 3 matches 5 inning 553 runs highest 199 average 110

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/pakvin...83;type=series

 

[Pantani]

Azhar Ali is a class player and I like him, but he is not in the same league as Kohli. Like Mamoon said Kohli dominated Australia in Australia to a degree that nobody has done before previously. Lets see how Azhar does in Australia before comparing him with Kohli.

Root stunk out the place when he toured so as long as Azhar does ok and comes out of the tour of Australia with a ~40 average, I have no difficulty agreeing that Azhar is better than Root. To top Kohli however will require something much more special.

 

[Napa]

well he smashed you in 2006 test series and win the series for us in 2006

Younis Khan (PAK) 3 matches 5 inning 553 runs highest 199 average 110

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/pakvin...83;type=series

Yes, I know he did exceptionally well in 2006. But you used the words "all tests".

He didn't do badly in 2007/8 by common standards, but not enough to prevent Pakistan from going down in defeat. Most of the blame probably lies with the Pakistani bowlers with India scoring 600+ in the first innings of the 2nd and 3rd Tests.

 

[saeed5646]

Yes, I know he did exceptionally well in 2006. But you used the words "all tests".

He didn't do badly in 2007/8 by common standards, but not enough to prevent Pakistan from going down in defeat. Most of the blame probably lies with the Pakistani bowlers with India scoring 600+ in the first innings of the 2nd and 3rd Tests.

Same can be said for Sehwag so called prince of multan and sachin ,dravid and tendulkar to fail to win

away from home in 2006

 

[Sidilicious]

It's 02:53AM here. Can't sleep as well.

Azhar / YK scored tons on pitches with lateral movement and extra bounce in England.

Are you seriously suggesting that in the previous England series, it wasn't a flattish pitch?

Even Bhuvneshwar Kumar picked more wickets in England than Amir in the last tour.

 

[Ab Fan]

It's 02:53AM here. Can't sleep as well.


So? Records against India shouldn't be taken seriously? Believe it or not there was a thread here at PP where an Indian PP was convinced that Agarkar was a superior bowler than Akhtar. You yourself consider Buvneshwar Kumar the best in Asia. Don't you?


Azhar / YK scored tons on pitches with lateral movement and extra bounce in England.


If everyone is getting runs, logic says it's easier to score. Re-check batting averages.


Don't be an uncle sam bruh.


So far Azhar and Shafiq drew a series for us in England. Where Kohli was pathetic (again I don't watch Indian cricket but apologies if he managed to get out in a way that was unlucky for him all the time )


In a series where record number of runs were scored


Time will tell that. Again, I only watch Pak but IIRC Sanga did pretty well there. No idea about saffers tho.


No it does not. But it also doesn't make him a "god".


He is a hard worker and has won series for Pak. IMO that makes him better than Kohli. If Kohli scores a match-winning 100, he will be rated as well.


Your posts are delusion and it is the most pathetic site ever when a Pakistani tries so hard to become Indian Should we throw mud now?



Yasir has a match-winning 10fer in England. If Jadeja/Ashwin do it, then yep they are better than YS.


Exactly
Azhar > Kohli
Yasir > Random Indian spinner

Very honest post to be fair with no wrong intent...

 

[swaziboy]

I reckon Azhar Ali has scored most of those runs on flat pitches against weak bowling line ups. Against this West Indies side he should have really gotten 400 with the number of balls he faced. This innings was such a pain staking innings. I personally dont rate him very high. He's very limited with his shots. Really stifils the innings in pressure situations against good attacks.

He really needs to bring up the big scores against the like of Aus / SA / NZ attacks to be even considered. Even Asad Shafiq imo is way better as a batsmen compared to azhar ali.

 

[Ab Fan]

Kohli is by far the best t20 batsmen ever.

Kohli is the greatest odi batsmen of all time.

Kohli will become the best test batsmen of his era.

Kohli isn't better than Azhar/ Asad/ Pujara/ Rahane in tests.

Kohli is a notch or couple below the other three world class players of his group.

Point to remember - The claims are made by our dear Padosis.

No fun in having middle ground for the folks.You are either rubbish or the best in the business.

 

[Sidilicious]

A batsman scores most runs on Asian pitches - he is better than one of his contemporaries, most of whose centuries have come outside of Asia.

A bowler takes most wickets on Asian pitches - he still needs to be tested outside of Asia.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Test batting average in the last 2 years:<br>Azhar Ali 66.11<br>Joe Root 58.28<br>Virat Kohli 54.80<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/786979523644514304">October 14, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Is a statement of fact.

You can worry about the quality of those runs etc but you cannot doubt the facts.

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

Azhar Ali is not in Kohli's class. It'll take a few tours to Australia, SA and England to find out whether he is or isn't (up or down).

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Azhar needs to invite more media to his house, feed them, buy them gifts and leak team information then he will be liked by them

Nailed it on the forehead for someone.

 

[Hawkeye]

Kohli is a beast. Bowlers fear him for a reason.

He has a much higher ceiling, more shots, scores fast and dominates attacks. Even overseas.

Plain averages don't mean much.

 

[naseem]

For scoring 300 you need to be in different league... he is a champ...no doubt... why compare.... India and England plays lot more tests.... and pakistan don't even play at home

 

[Sidilicious]

Kohli is a beast. Bowlers fear him for a reason.

He has a much higher ceiling, more shots, scores fast and dominates attacks. Even overseas.

Plain averages don't mean much.

For scoring 300 you need to be in different league... he is a champ...no doubt... why compare.... India and England plays lot more tests.... and pakistan don't even play at home

Fair point. You cant compare the two. Both are doing a good job for their countries.

As an opener, Azhar will score runs in Asia, but me might not score at the same average abroad. But that doesnt mean that he does not do the job for the team. While opening abroad, even an average of 45+ will be a job well done.

As no.4 Kohli is one of the main batsmen require to score runs (along with no.3 and 5). His job is to amass as much as he can, and thus should be expected to average 50ish. Kohli has clearly done that job in every country except England.

Other than the role each player plays in their respective teams, you also need to take into account the pitches they encounter. The UAE pitches tend to favour batsmen in the first 3 days before breaking up. In India, Kohli has had it slightly tougher in the last 2 years (in fact, only in SA series. The other series have been normal spin pitch. But since the SA series contributed to more than half of number of tests played by India at home in the last 2 years, the average from that series will have been impactful ). Kohli had it easier in Australia, and Azhar had it easier in England.

If you have to compare, both are currently at the same level, but as [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] suggested, Kohli seems to have a higher ceiling.

 

[shaz619]

How many tons Azhar has outside Asia?

How many double figure scores does Kohli have in England?

 

[Cricfan4eva]

How many double figure scores does Kohli have in England?

4.

Now how many tons does Azhar have outside SC, or is it too embarrassing to post here? Its alright don't fret.

 

[shaz619]

4.

Now how many tons does Azhar have outside SC, or is it too embarrassing to post here? Its alright don't fret.

4 Oh right? can I have a break down

Bonus Question: How many more runs did Kohli score then Mohammad Amir in England?

 

[Cricfan4eva]

^I see, you are too embarrassed to post that Azhar Ali has just 1, I repeat just 1 ton out of the 11-12 in his career outside SC.

You just proved my point.

 

[sully3]

^I see, you are too embarrassed to post that Azhar Ali has just 1, I repeat just 1 ton out of the 11-12 in his career outside SC.

You just proved my point.

your point proves absolutely nothing and tells you know anything about cricket either.

How many times has Azhar been to
Aus: 0
NZ: 1
SA: 1
England: 2
WI:0

he has a better average then anybody in the indian team for the last 2 years, maybe thats why you are crying so much.

 

[Buffet]

How many times has Azhar been to

Aus: 0
NZ: 1
SA: 1
England: 2
WI:0

Ali has played a series in WI & Zim as well. Also, he has played more than 2 series in Eng. I think one against Aus was played in Eng. Total 20 tests out of his 50. Anyway, he will play few more series in coming months outside of Asia so let's see how much he scores. Aus is actually a good place to score, but it's still a different conditions.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

your point proves absolutely nothing and tells you know anything about cricket either.

How many times has Azhar been to
Aus: 0
NZ: 1
SA: 1
England: 2
WI:0

he has a better average then anybody in the indian team for the last 2 years, maybe thats why you are crying so much.

I see what you did there

I'll show you a better way to break those numbers for you, you and Azhar fans may not like it though.

Azhar has played 39 innings outside Asia and has 1 century

Kohli has played 43 innings outside Asia and has 8 centuries


Kohli has played a GRAND TOTAL of 4 innings more than Azhar.

And Azhar could average 80 for all I care scoring triples for fun but that wont change the perception that he is not a top batsman because he goes missing the moment Pak step outside UAE.

Even in England, there series you guys love to talk about so much, take out that ton his average falls to 26.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

I think most Indian (& wanna be Indians, yep they exist! ) are missing the point.

Kohli has been unable to find his off stump innings after innings in England. Again, potential is there but let's focus on how he reacted.

Maybe in next tours to England he will prove me wrong. The way Anderson was toying with him can be compared to the way a cat toys with its food.

 

[Noobosauras]

your point proves absolutely nothing and tells you know anything about cricket either.

How many times has Azhar been to
Aus: 0
NZ: 1
SA: 1
England: 2
WI:0

he has a better average then anybody in the indian team for the last 2 years, maybe thats why you are crying so much.

That is meaningless as much is the comparison below




Different strokes for different folks at different conditions on different pitches against different attacks.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I think most Indian (& wanna be Indians, yep they exist! ) are missing the point.

Kohli has been unable to find his off stump innings after innings in England. Again, potential is there but let's focus on how he reacted.

Maybe in next tours to England he will prove me wrong. The way Anderson was toying with him can be compared to the way a cat toys with its food.

Kohli still avgs 45 plus outside Asia.Azhar Ali a paltry 30.Try again.