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Sultan Baba

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Pcb should sacked Azhar Mahmood from bowling coach post and Grant Flower from batting coach post and hire forign bowling coach in place of Azhar Mahmood like Glenn Macgrath and in place of Grant Flower pcb should hire local coach Like Inzama,Javed Miandad,Mohammad Yousaf and Salim Malik etc

what are you say??????
 
Sultan Baba said:
Pcb should sacked Azhar Mahmood from bowling coach post and Grant Flower from batting coach post and hire forign bowling coach in place of Azhar Mahmood like Glenn Macgrath and in place of Grant Flower pcb should hire local coach Like Inzama,Javed Miandad,Mohammad Yousaf and Salim Malik etc

what are you say??????
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If it were to me I would change the head coach as well and replace him with a local one, while hiring alan Donald as bowling coach, may not need a batting coach if our head coach can do it or else hire a local one.
 
Grant Flower has been around now for 3 years. Surely his position should be reviewed now.
 
nothing will change..the problem starts a lot earlier and we will never reach previous heights because everyone else actually care about their country..we dont..
 
Mohammad yousuf should be batting coach and teach them how to rotate strike. Azhar must vanish. Should try gilespie as bowling coach
 
Blaming coaches is just a easy target.

That's what the PCB leeches will want you to do - blame the problem at those they hired and then replace them with someone else.

But then the underlying causes never get solved - the quality of players being produced and the domestic structure itself.
 
Miandad is a total failure as batting coach so will be Wasim/Waqar as bowling coach. But Bowler like Gillepse, Mcgrath, Donald will be hard to get.
 
Azhar is frankly speaking one of my favorite Pakistani players. When he arrived, he was a phenomenal talent. Definitely underachieved and probably got shunned out of bias otherwise i always felt Mahmood never deserved to be out of Pakistan's LOI teams.

Having spent so many years in professionally managed county circuit and other leagues aroudn the globe, i am sure Azhar is one of the best guys to be hanging out with young Pakistani blokes.

Not to mention he luckily doesn't come with the 'legendary' tag with him, so you wont expect him to be egoistic either.
 
best choice for batting coach is Jammie Siddeons , he will make a difference . How much depends upon PCB and selectors.
 
They're those hidden gems that escape every criticism.

Can't improve bowling, can't improve batting, and getting massive massive pay checks.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Azhar is frankly speaking one of my favorite Pakistani players. When he arrived, he was a phenomenal talent. Definitely underachieved and probably got shunned out of bias otherwise i always felt Mahmood never deserved to be out of Pakistan's LOI teams.

Having spent so many years in professionally managed county circuit and other leagues aroudn the globe, i am sure Azhar is one of the best guys to be hanging out with young Pakistani blokes.

Not to mention he luckily doesn't come with the 'legendary' tag with him, so you wont expect him to be egoistic either.
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Why do you think Sohail is sitting outside ?
 
Azhar has plenty of country cricket and international T-20 league experience, he also set up an ICC academy for coaching and has put in the work, studied and acquired all the coaching qualifications and he is also well versed with the modern ODI Cricket. From his blogs and interviews, you can see him talking and writing all the good things.

But are the players listening to him? Are the players willing to get out of the comfort zones to try, learn and develop new things?

If the answer to the above is a resounding No then no coach in the world can help these players.
 
Do coaches and selectors select players...or do powerful people behind the scenes do it?

What happens in Pakistan cricket?
 
Savak said:
Azhar has plenty of country cricket and international T-20 league experience, he also set up an ICC academy for coaching and has put in the work, studied and acquired all the coaching qualifications and he is also well versed with the modern ODI Cricket. From his blogs and interviews, you can see him talking and writing all the good things.

But are the players listening to him? Are the players willing to get out of the comfort zones to try, learn and develop new things?

If the answer to the above is a resounding No then no coach in the world can help these players.
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Exactly, coaches can't make chicken salad out of chicken litter. Shehzad has been playing internationals since 2009, Wahab debuted in 2008, Azhar made his ODI debut in 2011 and Hafeez debuted in 2003 - you can't teach these guys new tricks.

That's why its better to bring in a fresh batch of young faces who can be coached and moulded.

Look at the work Arthur and Flower did with Sharjeel for example.
 
Markhor said:
Exactly, coaches can't make chicken salad out of chicken litter. Shehzad has been playing internationals since 2009, Wahab debuted in 2008, Azhar made his ODI debut in 2011 and Hafeez debuted in 2003 - you can't teach these guys new tricks.

That's why its better to bring in a fresh batch of young faces who can be coached and moulded.

Look at the work Arthur and Flower did with Sharjeel for example.
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What is your opinion on Flower?

He's been around forever. To stay 3 years in a PCB set up is unheard of :))

I think he is great for defensive, attritional batting and works well on the technical aspects of batsmen. But doesnt work on dynamism. So for a guy like Sharjeel who already had an ultra attacking game and shot range he was a brilliant coach but for our defensive, stroke less wonders he does not fit. We need somene who works a lot on the attacking side of the game which he does not seem to do
 
Markhor said:
Exactly, coaches can't make chicken salad out of chicken litter. Shehzad has been playing internationals since 2009, Wahab debuted in 2008, Azhar made his ODI debut in 2011 and Hafeez debuted in 2003 - you can't teach these guys new tricks.

That's why its better to bring in a fresh batch of young faces who can be coached and moulded.

Look at the work Arthur and Flower did with Sharjeel for example.
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Judging by how you've articulated this post, I'm pretty sure you're in still in the mode that praises Grant Flower and think he's the reason of our rise.

The only thing however is we've only gone down, with a nosedive.
 
Coaching can only take you so far. Players have no intent to perform well (or maintain their fitness).
 
the Great Khan said:
nothing will change..the problem starts a lot earlier and we will never reach previous heights because everyone else actually care about their country..we dont..
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This is not strictly true. The modern limited overs game is such that batsmen regularly take length balls outside off stump and whip through square leg. In bowling, in death overs they don't even try for wickets anymore. Just wide of off stump Yorkers to limit totals.

These are just two recent innovations that don't have to be taught at a young age. Sure we need good talented players and good junior coaches and good grounds and good equipment and more junior tours.

But we don't have coaches that can polish talent at international level and clearly grant and azhar are pointless appointments. Our batsmen just can't hit good balls to the boundary and the less said of our bowlers the better.
 
coaches are not the real reasons for poor performances... At national level these coaches are not expected to teach something like

how to catch,
how to throw,
whose call for the catch,
running on a misfield,
poor running between the wickets,
2 are taken as 1 and 3 are reduced to 2...
dot balls,
finding gaps,
not knowing how to build an innings,
how to use the new ball,
how to bowl yorkers,
shot selection,
which bowler to target and not to target,
how to use the dimensions of the ground effectively for boundary hitting, are all skills learned with procedural training, practice and developed with experience...if they teach everything then it means they are coaching school boys on how to play cricket...
 
I don't really think coaches are to blame. Our players are as they don't seem to care or put much effort in training. They just think its time pass.
 
Azhar MMahmood is responsible for Sohail Khan's exclusion and Wahab Riaz inclusion. Should I explain more?
 
Credit to the coaching staff, the bowling was on the mark today against a side with a world-class top four.
 
One match win and we forget all bad performise of past our team should be perform consistantly then we will be haapy not on only one win and three or four looses
 
Both are doing superb job MashaAllah.

Azhar you have improved massively. Love you.
 
Azhar Mahmood is mr cricket of Pakistan. The guy is one amazing student of the game
 
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