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Babar Azam is 22, during same age group Ricky Ponting 1996 world cup, Tendulkar 1992 World cup, Lara 1992 World Cup, Inzamam 1992 world cup all left a significant mark in their respective world cups. Tendulkar in 1992 world cup is remembered for his innings against Pakistan, so is Lara and Inzamam for his 2 innings in 92 semi final/final and Ponting for his century in 1996 wc against West indies. Young Inzamam and Ricky Ponting did not even wear helmets during those prolific innings. Young Ponting scoring a ton without helmet against Ambrose, Walsh, Bishop and Cuffy left a lasting hallmark in that tournament. Babar Azam is first cousin of Umar Akmal, we all know how Umar Akmal was projected as next Miandad. Even during 1990's players like Salim Elahi, Wajahatullah Wasti, Basit Ali and few more simply vanished after displaying some early promise. To be honest even during this year's PSL Babar Azam never really played a match winning innings. I think Babar had a poor Champions Trophy tournament, he isnt a power hitter and his dismissal against Sri lanka nearly costed us the match. Is he really going to deliver during next 2 years ? I have a sneaky feeling cometh 2019 World Cup, Babar's place in starting 11 will not be there. He seems to lack that swagger.
 
Even though he did recover well in the knockout stages of the competition, where he scored crucial runs in both Semi Final and Final, it was worrying to see him not getting a single fifty in five games and it looked like he was continuing his poor form of runs in England from last English tour. Also to note is that he hasn't scored a fifty in 11 games in England which is also the place of 2019 World Cup, but I truly hope he breaks that grudge as he is a World Class batsman and I am sure he will workout his mistakes and will play a crucial role for Pakistan in the coming years.
 
The "cousin of Akmal" argument is flawed and irrelevant. Just because one's relatives were unwise and made mistakes in their careers has no bearing on what someone does with their own life. In fact, some may argue it will help avoid those mistakes made by the Akmals if he learnt their lessons.
 
Your argument against a 22 year old kid who is ranked No.5 in the batting rankings is based on his relatives and lack of swagger?

On the whole his Champions Trophy was average. Soft dismissals amongst some quality starts. I'd be more worried if he was looking at sea against a particular type of bowling or looked genuinely confused at the crease.

Back him, he has the skills.
 
Babar needs to work on his power hitting and early on his weight is pre-dominantly on the back foot. With hard work these are issues that can be rectified.

It's just sad to see some posters labelling him selfish and ruling his career out on the basis of his relatives and lack of aggro on the field. Virat Kohli isn't the batsman he is because he has swagger, it's because of the hard work and dedication he has shown to improve every aspect of his game.
 
Has a great future, he is only 22 has plenty of time to improve I've stated in numerous other threads he is doing great for his age and the number of matches he has played.
 
Babar Azam the best Pak batting find in the last decade doesnt have swagger

Sarfaraz the best captain Pak has had since Akram doesnt have swagger

Azhar Ali one of the most dedicated players to represent Pak doesnt have swagger


Jeez, whats with people and swagger these days
 
He is decent at best, nothing more. When seeing him bat I never feel that he is in for a long innings. Seems to be a matter of time before he plays a dumb shot losing his wicket in the process. He is much slimmer then Umar Akmal so can not be compared to him:maqsood
 
Oh man just take a deep breath and have some good mama's food and chill out. You can write anything that comes to your mind and try to use words quoting events that your hollow imagination thinks are very persuasive to make other believe in line and that's all because you think you should write here something today. OK in regards to Babar CT17 wasn't a bad tournament for him but at the same time not an extraordinary one either. As someone taking keen interest in Pak cricket I would be pretty happy actually the way he conducted himself there as a batsman in his first major 50 over ICC tournament for Pak. There were 3 innings against top class opposition where he actually looked pretty good and that tells you he is not overawed by such situations and that should give you hope for the future in his regard. And if you look at Babar's entire career he has 70% successful innings in such a short span and that's the reason why he is 5 in the rankings as well. There are few things that needs some attention in his case but that's with any newcomer coming up but overall very very promising this guy. Beside this your analysis on other players making age 22 as the base element is absolutely flawed and not with proper context. Sorry but this thread doesn't make much sense.
 
He is not doomed to be a failure. He is the most complete batsman to come out of Pakistan in the last decade. Only one who can keep the scoreboard ticking by taking minimal of risks. He had an average CT but it wasn't a bad one either. His 40 odd in the final ensured we maintained the momentum after Fakhar got out. Played decently vs South Africa and England as well.
 
Come on you don't believe Babar can be another pointing or Lara or even inzamam,Babar is a modern day batsmen and kind of performed in the Semi and The Final his innings was important.It might look like 46 but when he came in the score was 128 when he left it was 247,That innings held an end up and Fakhar when Babar came started hitting.

That 31* against South Africa was match winning,even a veteran of 180 matches Hafeez could not pull off what was needed but the young 22 year old managed to do it.
Overall you think he played bad due to 2 soft dismissals however he didn't play bad and soft dismissals happen he got 2 *'s and a 46 in a pressure game,That Tournement will help him as he was finding his form but as I said every member has played there part in this win even Malik against South Africa when he hit A few fours and took us over the line.
 
MeanAndGreen said:
Babar needs to work on his power hitting and early on his weight is pre-dominantly on the back foot. With hard work these are issues that can be rectified.

It's just sad to see some posters labelling him selfish and ruling his career out on the basis of his relatives and lack of aggro on the field. Virat Kohli isn't the batsman he is because he has swagger, it's because of the hard work and dedication he has shown to improve every aspect of his game.
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He isn't a power hitter but I bet he will out hit Imad Wasim any day of the week
 
yokoonodie said:
Babar Azam the best Pak batting find in the last decade doesnt have swagger

Sarfaraz the best captain Pak has had since Akram doesnt have swagger

Azhar Ali one of the most dedicated players to represent Pak doesnt have swagger


Jeez, whats with people and swagger these days
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Imad Wasim worst player to come out of pak does have swagger
 
This power hitting thing is non sense the only thing he needs to work on is his spin play even Lyon had him in trouble to be an elite test bat you need to be good vs spin.
 
Its important that we do not burden him with too many expectations at the start of his career , its the learning stage of his career and I am pretty sure after that stage he will score a lot of runs. Just let the poor guy settle down. Still averages above 50 @ sr of 90. Doing just fine.
 
He is fine in odi's its his test game which is a concern has done virtually nothing in 9 tests.
 
That one flick he played in the final was gold
 
He's a good batsmen, but certainly not as good as a lot make him out to be.
 
yokoonodie said:
Babar Azam the best Pak batting find in the last decade doesnt have swagger

Sarfaraz the best captain Pak has had since Akram doesnt have swagger

Azhar Ali one of the most dedicated players to represent Pak doesnt have swagger

Jeez, whats with people and swagger these days
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Precisely post 92 team to 2005 had plenty of swag but they underachieved for what they could have done..
I don't care if some of the boys don't have swagger. ( it is Important and we do have likes of imad shadab and hasan , every1 doesn't need to be like that)

I would rather these boys worked as a tight unit, had a great internal camaraderie, and punched above their weight
 
Billy1999 said:
Come on you don't believe Babar can be another pointing or Lara or even inzamam,Babar is a modern day batsmen and kind of performed in the Semi and The Final his innings was important.It might look like 46 but when he came in the score was 128 when he left it was 247,That innings held an end up and Fakhar when Babar came started hitting.

That 31* against South Africa was match winning,even a veteran of 180 matches Hafeez could not pull off what was needed but the young 22 year old managed to do it.
Overall you think he played bad due to 2 soft dismissals however he didn't play bad and soft dismissals happen he got 2 *'s and a 46 in a pressure game,That Tournement will help him as he was finding his form but as I said every member has played there part in this win even Malik against South Africa when he hit A few fours and took us over the line.
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Babar averaged 44. Which if u look past the figure was a 6.5/10 for batting performances. SA innings was bloody important and final was decent.

I find it funny how people want totally discount the innings v England but not the failure against Sri Lanka , which were pretty much the same situation if u combine the runs required with the quality of the bowling ( England less runs needed but bowling fielding quality hundred times better than SL)
 
PSL is important for him. Needs to continue to open and expand the range and ballsiness.
To be fair that goes for everybody expect sharjeel/fakhar
 
Prodigy.

Lucky that he is in the safe hands of Mickey and Sarfraz.

btw Sarfraz, Babar and Asad Shafiq are best friends.
 
Abdullah said:
Babar averaged 44. Which if u look past the figure was a 6.5/10 for batting performances. SA innings was bloody important and final was decent.

I find it funny how people want totally discount the innings v England but not the failure against Sri Lanka , which were pretty much the same situation if u combine the runs required with the quality of the bowling ( England less runs needed but bowling fielding quality hundred times better than SL)
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I don't agree with the premise of this thread. Babar is a fine player who should score more ODI hundreds than Saeed Anwar and get to around 8k runs, but I'm not a fan of his body language and lack of energy on the field. However, there are no parallels between the innings against Sri Lanka and England. Sri Lanka had their tails up and genuinely believed that they could win the match. They fought till the end but the two dropped catches cost them.

On the contrary, England were complete demoralized with the ball because they were shell shocked after their batting display. They had lost the match mentally and Pakistan coasted through the chase without breaking a sweat. Considering the situation Babar walked in against a dejected bowling attack, even a tail-ender would have scored a few runs.

Babar is a batsmen of immense ability, but he needs to back himself a bit more and show better presence at the crease. Otherwise, his runs will continue to lack impact. So far, he has not won Pakistan any match that they would not have won without his runs. It's well and good to have good stats, but what matters most is how decisive your runs are.

People are talking about his final innings, but it was an average one. He was sucking all the momentum initially but was saved by Zaman's counterpunch. When the time came to hit big, he got out. It was an inconsequential innings because the likes of Malik and Sarfraz would have done the same in that situation. Yes Malik got out cheaply, but he was going for slogs from the word go instead of playing himself in like Babar.

Overall, he has a mediocre tournament. Failed against India and Sri Lanka, and played a par innings vs SA and in the final, and I won't look too much into the England innings.
 
Mamoon said:
I don't agree with the premise of this thread. Babar is a fine player who should score more ODI hundreds than Saeed Anwar and get to around 8k runs, but I'm not a fan of his body language and lack of energy on the field. However, there are no parallels between the innings against Sri Lanka and England. Sri Lanka had their tails up and genuinely believed that they could win the match. They fought till the end but the two dropped catches cost them.

On the contrary, England were complete demoralized with the ball because they were shell shocked after their batting display. They had lost the match mentally and Pakistan coasted through the chase without breaking a sweat. Considering the situation Babar walked in against a dejected bowling attack, even a tail-ender would have scored a few runs.

Babar is a batsmen of immense ability, but he needs to back himself a bit more and show better presence at the crease. Otherwise, his runs will continue to lack impact. So far, he has not won Pakistan any match that they would not have won without his runs. It's well and good to have good stats, but what matters most is how decisive your runs are.

People are talking about his final innings, but it was an average one. He was sucking all the momentum initially but was saved by Zaman's counterpunch. When the time came to hit big, he got out. It was an inconsequential innings because the likes of Malik and Sarfraz would have done the same in that situation. Yes Malik got out cheaply, but he was going for slogs from the word go instead of playing himself in like Babar.

Overall, he has a mediocre tournament. Failed against India and Sri Lanka, and played a par innings vs SA and in the final, and I won't look too much into the England innings.
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I thought the game was done when Babar and Azhar were batting against Sri Lanka ( forget about what followed- take ur self back to the over before babar got out) he was the second wicket to fall. I thought it was well over because of the crapness of the SL bowling.
Same with England because the runs were less. I was probably still a bit worried in the England game given what happened in SL. But take ur self back to the SL game pre babar wicket. The belief came into SL after hafeez got out. Game was dead before babar gt out.

The SA innings was above par to remain not out
 
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[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] agree about presence but that will come , some guys r just more reserved (imad shadab hasan types r not) hopefully babar will start to come out of his shell with time
And he needs to use the psl to take his game on
I love the boy. He has the game, just needs to be encouraged. Is in good hands with Mickey n sarf. They will give him the right stuff in terms of building up his own self belief
 
No Babar innings no champions trophy

Even the so called Azhar blocker when we needed him to block even full tosses decided he has become a 20/20 player and Hafeez played decently but couldn't finish the job at hand
 
its his batting vs spin that worries me most will never have a test career if he cant play spin.
 
He had an OK tournament. Did not set the world alight but definitely showed promise of more to come. People on here are being too harsh on the lad. He averaged 44!

!st India game : Gave his wicket away - poor. SO WAS EVERYONE ELSE. Verdict : POOR. But cannot judge on this alone.

Saffers : Did a great job. Steadied the ship and played a fine knock. 31 not out. Verdict : GOOD.

Lanka : Failed. Verdict : POOR.

England. What more could he do? 31 not out. Verdict : GOOD.

India. He did the right thing. He had to start slowly and then hit out. 46 off 48 balls was fine. reasonable rate and ensured we did not collapse. Verdict: GOOD.

He played his part in 3 of the 4 wins. Yes - he could have done more. But to say, he had a poor tournament is unfair punditry to say the least. He is 22!!!

Sri Lanka
 
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I feel playing him in Tests may have nullified his initial aggression and cavalier attitude in LOIs. He himself said he's doubting himself more now after his Test debut, than he did we he was just playing the ODIs.

Same thing happened to Umar Akmal too.

I may be wrong, but that was my feeling after his poor Test return v WI.
 
He bats a bit too selfishly. If he backed himself a bit, he'd have a chance to be in the top 3 ODI rankings. With Fakhar Zaman at the top, hopefully he can play more freely...starting at 80/90sr and ending at 110ish. He can be #1, its up to him.
 
The fact that when Pakistan's young guns are mentioned they speak about Hasan Ali, Fakhar Zaman, Shadab Khan, Faheem Ashraf are mentioned but no one speaks about Babar Azam says volumes about his performances in the Champions Trophy...

He failed against India and Srilanka badly, games in which he was required to stand up.. Srilankas failure is inexcusable as it was a nothing chase where he flopped

In the other two games with short chases, he made his selfish 30s which I tell him he is good at.. since the required rate was not high and it was mostly smooth sailng thanks to our bowlers

But he cannot play at a quicker run rate which is evident from his exploits in Australia.. the game was lost when he batted at a strike rate of 60 in the final two games..

He was a failure in England Last year as well..

In the final he played a goodish innings of 45 in a crucial stage of the match, but then again alll the heavy lifting was done by FZ.. so he made use of a good position to register his 30s 40s...

His real average is 30ish when you remove his averages against the West Indies where he flatters to deceive.. and to be honest he is as good as the average of 30 suggests

He will do well to have a Malik or Hafeez like career from hereon...

I would suggest fans remove the expectations they had from him that he will be our Mohammad Yousuf or Zaheer Abbas in the middle order, he is far from it
 
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Nor does he have the caliber to become our ABD or Virat Kohli... he is not that level, he never was..

His stats are similar to how Imad Wasim has cashed in against the WI to make himself the no.1 ranking bowler/allrounder in t20s currently..
 
Babar Azam will end up a better batsman than Virat Kohli. He plays the moving ball better than the overrated Indian and being forced to be the main batsman of his team at such a young age will speed up his growth and he'll be the finished article sooner than Kohli, who is almost 29 and still has not learnt how to play the seaming and swinging delivery outside his off-stump. Also, Babar hasn't shown any signs of being a choker either while Kohli has an impressive montage of high-profile chokes and it will only get longer with time.

I can see Babar being Pakistan's best batsman across formats, beating the likes of Miandad, Younis, Inzamam, Anwar and Abbas. A future all-time great, InshAllah.
 
waleed88 said:
Nor does he have the caliber to become our ABD or Virat Kohli... he is not that level, he never was..

His stats are similar to how Imad Wasim has cashed in against the WI to make himself the no.1 ranking bowler/allrounder in t20s currently..
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Do you think he should be dropped?
 
In short, this thread summarises Pakistan fans.

We have some who believe he is the 2nd coming of Tendulkar.

And we have some who believe he is on the same level as Hafeez, Malik.

How can there be such extreme ends of the spectrum when it comes to one player? Pakistan fans never cease to amaze you...
 
waleed88 said:
Read my previous post
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I did - you compare him with Malik and Hafeez; players who have been on the fringes of being dropped and selected for large portions of their careers.

That's why I asked do you believe he should be dropped.
 
waleed88 said:
Nor does he have the caliber to become our ABD or Virat Kohli... he is not that level, he never was..

His stats are similar to how Imad Wasim has cashed in against the WI to make himself the no.1 ranking bowler/allrounder in t20s currently..
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Never knew Australia and New Zealand are west Indies. They say you learn something new a everyday. Thanks for increasing my knowledge.
 
Khan12 said:
Never knew Australia and New Zealand are west Indies. They say you learn something new a everyday. Thanks for increasing my knowledge.
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Bhai jaan, Babar Azam averages in the 100s against the WI, which is the outlier that has made his average 50s.. if you take that out he averages in the 30s, which is where he really stands as a batsman in my opinion, a true reflection of his performance in the CT and before that
 
MeanAndGreen said:
I did - you compare him with Malik and Hafeez; players who have been on the fringes of being dropped and selected for large portions of their careers.

That's why I asked do you believe he should be dropped.
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Were Malik and Hafeez dropped when they were younger?
 
waleed88 said:
Bhai jaan, Babar Azam averages in the 100s against the WI, which is the outlier that has made his average 50s.. if you take that out he averages in the 30s, which is where he really stands as a batsman in my opinion, a true reflection of his performance in the CT and before that
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Lol. So you are telling me he wasn't going to score any runs if he played them matches against other teams. You are always been a hater of his so no point debating with you. Plus you flawed logic which is laughable.
 
Swagger comes with performance and the self belief you are as good or better than anyone else. That only comes from winning regularly. Swagger when you are loosing a lot is self delusion aka Afridi.
 
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Lol. So you are telling me he wasn't going to score any runs if he played them matches against other teams. You are always been a hater of his so no point debating with you. Plus you flawed logic which is laughable.
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I am saying he's a minnow basher thats all, you can look at his stats against England if you want some insight into my analysis..

Plus the fact that when he scored vs Australia, he scored at a snails pace, as Aussies were allowing him singles (no biggie as they were defending 350+ in both the final game the req rate was 8-9) where Babar cashed in big grounds with alot place to manuever the ball
 
waleed88 said:
If they played selfishly..
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That's why their strike rate is lower then him. Even if they even 2 chances to bat I can bet they won't you don't need to act like a 2 year old and just admit that you hate him because he is million times the batsmen misbah could ever have been.
 
waleed88 said:
I am saying he's a minnow basher thats all, you can look at his stats against England if you want some insight into my analysis..

Plus the fact that when he scored vs Australia, he scored at a snails pace, as Aussies were allowing him singles (no biggie as they were defending 350+ in both the final game the req rate was 8-9) where Babar cashed in big grounds with alot place to manuever the ball
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First he is a minnow basher and then he scored at a snail pace against Australia. Make up your mins. Australia are a minnow. New Zealand are a minnow? Thanks for informing me that world champions are minnows.
 
Khan12 said:
That's why their strike rate is lower then him. Even if they even 2 chances to bat I can bet they won't you don't need to act like a 2 year old and just admit that you hate him because he is million times the batsmen misbah could ever have been.
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Yes Babar is on the way to a similar strike rate, if you watch his last few games, he is slowly getting there eventually..

Not to mention Malik and Hafeez played majority in an era where the strike rates were lesser for batsmen... they've played quickly beyond the 2010s... similar to our golden boy
 
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First he is a minnow basher and then he scored at a snail pace against Australia. Make up your mins. Australia are a minnow. New Zealand are a minnow? Thanks for informing me that world champions are minnows.
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Yes performances in Aussie were a reflection of the selfishness and defeatist attitude in his batting performances... which is why he will never be a great like ABD and Kohli, his performances in Australia all but confirmed he is headed for mediocrity... as his runs did nothing for the team in the end and were personal milestones at the expense of the game.

I stand by what I said, remove his average against the WI, and his stats are a true reflection of where he is as a batsman... an average of 30, a career of medicority like Malik and Hafeez
 
waleed88 said:
Yes Babar is on the way to a similar strike rate, if you watch his last few games, he is slowly getting there eventually..

Not to mention Malik and Hafeez played majority in an era where the strike rates were lesser for batsmen... they've played quickly beyond the 2010s... similar to our golden boy
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And what are their strike rate now? 100 Plus? So you are a fortune teller as well.
 
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And what are their strike rate now? 100 Plus? So you are a fortune teller as well.
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Malik especially has a strike rate of 90 since his comeback in 2015, the same point Babar also started his career..
 
I also made the prediction Babar won't be any good this tournament since his favorite whipping boys are not playing in the tourney this time, it turned out to be true... his performances in the tourney were nothing exceptional and his 30s and 40s are what he is a good at as a player, cannot and will not get better than that
 
waleed88 said:
Yes performances in Aussie were a reflection of the selfishness and defeatist attitude in his batting performances... which is why he will never be a great like ABD and Kohli, his performances in Australia all but confirmed he is headed for mediocrity... as his runs did nothing for the team in the end and were personal milestones at the expense of the game.

I stand by what I said, remove his average against the WI, and his stats are a true reflection of where he is as a batsman... an average of 30, a career of medicority like Malik and Hafeez
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So let me get this right he has played 150 games, he is a 43 year old who will never improve? And if you score in Australia you are heading to mediocrity? Great insight. By the way why are you so worried that he will never reach AB and Kholi( neither do I want him to end up like these cokers). You are so worried of him being called a great surely this is a good thing if you support Pakistan?
 
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Malik especially has a strike rate of 90 since his comeback in 2015, the same point Babar also started his career..
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Now talking about comeback. Plus babar also has the same strike rate. Plus Malik has played for God knows how many years.
 
Khan12 said:
Now talking about comeback. Plus babar also has the same strike rate. Plus Malik has played for God knows how many years.
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Yes, and Babar will play too like Malik... but at a similar average to him. Just like his cousins have managed to, with the odd blistering knock here and there (once in a blue moon)
 
Khan12 said:
So let me get this right he has played 150 games, he is a 43 year old who will never improve? And if you score in Australia you are heading to mediocrity? Great insight. By the way why are you so worried that he will never reach AB and Kholi( neither do I want him to end up like these cokers). You are so worried of him being called a great surely this is a good thing if you support Pakistan?
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If Babar makes it to 8000 runs that is... It would be a miracle if he reaches half of them with the way he's going at the moment, how long will he keep this charade up of being our premier no.3?

I see ducks left right and center for him in test matches, and his ODI graph is going down at a rate of knots..
 
Babar in T20s is a completely different story, his strike rate is just a shy away from 100, not what you expect from someone who is gonna be a future great... even Khalid Latif can bat better than that and he is 36
 
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Yes, and Babar will play too like Malik... but at a similar average to him. Just like his cousins have managed to, with the odd blistering knock here and there (once in a blue moon)
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It's not the end of the world if he plays like Malik but I just hope he doesn't play like selfish misbah. Who only scored 1 century outside Asia I believe in his whole career which was done through bashing moeen ali. Everyone one knows you hate babar maybe he has taken your spot in Pakistan team. I hope he keeps racking up runs. Should be debating with a guy who thinks scoring in Australia is mediocre. Shows your knowledge.
 
Khan12 said:
It's not the end of the world if he plays like Malik but I just hope he doesn't play like selfish misbah. Who only scored 1 century outside Asia I believe in his whole career which was done through bashing moeen ali. Everyone one knows you hate babar maybe he has taken your spot in Pakistan team. I hope he keeps racking up runs. Should be debating with a guy who thinks scoring in Australia is mediocre. Shows your knowledge.
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Yes, when you have an ultimate belter of a track, and you are scoring 3 runs per over when you require 9, you will eventually get a good score at the expense of your team losing.. fancy stats no substance
 
waleed88 said:
Yes, when you have an ultimate belter of a track, and you are scoring 3 runs per over when you require 9, you will eventually get a good score at the expense of your team losing.. fancy stats no substance
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Just to remind you in that innings his strike rate was 90. Why could misbah score runs on these belters. Not good enough or they don't play enough spinners for him to bas?
 
Ok folks, thankyou very much for all the feedback on this thread. But now it is going a bit overboard, purpose of the thread was to have casual discussion and feedback. By the end of the day everyone wants Pakistan to win and be successful at all levels be it Cricket or Hockey. Thats what matters in the end. Regards.
 
I don't particularly over-hyping players too the moon like most Pakistani fans but he is one good player. He is everything Pakistan cricket needs at this point in time. He had an OK tournament. Not too good but not bad either. His innings vs India although painful to watch, was extremely important and helped avoid a collapse. The fact that India were chasing a target in excess of 300 is what put them under pressure and led us to winning the match and Babar is massively responsible for that.

However, Babar needs to work on his fitness. Rough patches of form come and go but prime fitness make them look small.
 
I'd like to see him improve vs spin but Babar is legit. 53.88 average with 88.55 SR in 31 innings is world class. He is still only 22 and has plenty of room to grow.

Kohli in his first 31 innings: 41.74 average with 2 centuries. That's not to suggest Babar will be greater than Kohli or anything but just understand that what Babar has done in his very young career is nothing short of remarkable.
 
I think he's a bit overrated, I've watched him since his debut but I haven't seen anything special about him, he hasn't give the amazing impression by winning Pakistan a couple of games after bursting onto the scene. He's a very good batsmen but I feel like people think he's better than he actually is.
 
You know what,why are you bullying a 22 year old bacha,For not letting you be at 75/5 every time.

Do you like being 75/5,has it become a habit,Babar is selfish but the guy has reasons for being selfish,If he bats like Pakistani batsmen he will be classed as Umar Akmal,If he bats like he is he is classed as selfish,left the poor fella no way out,What do you want from him? To turn into Ricky pointing over night.

Babar is NOT A CLASSIC PAKISTANI BATSMEN.

He is something else more precious,I have no doubt that POs will not let him flourish,All they want is to watch Misbah and Younis bat
 
You know what replace Babar with Asif Zakir

If you are so desperate to see 75/5 then have it,Carry on with your methods of bullying
 
Ignore Waleed. He will talk nonsense about any player that is not from his Karachi.

Babar is the best ODI Bat Pak have produced in the last decade. He was marked as a 14 year old for a reason.

His stand and deliver technique will not always work but they open his game for shots. He does need to rotate strike better and use his feet better again spin. Also I would prefer he show more aggression in his body language.

These are minor adjustments where he can improve and I believe he will work to improve with Micky as coach.

I have doubts in his Test game where he is a bit loose with his technique but hopefully he will adjust in time.

Otherwise anyone saying he's 30 avaege batsman is talking complete crap. He is not because he doesn't play like one nor do the stats back that up.
 
Who else from Pak is averaging above 50 and is not a dud against pace bowling?

He's here to stay. But yes has not fulfilled the predicted potential and overtaken other great bats yet.

But will need some time to develop.
 
Not sure when last PAK batsman was among top 5 in ranking, that too before 23. This is ICC batting ranking, which indeed factors minnow bashing & selfish batting - still 5th, only after Kohli, Smith, Warner & Root; therefore I do tend to believe that he must be doing something great, unless we trash ICC individual ranking, which does factor what, who, when, whom, how ......... over a considerable period.
 
MeanAndGreen said:
Babar needs to work on his power hitting and early on his weight is pre-dominantly on the back foot. With hard work these are issues that can be rectified.

It's just sad to see some posters labelling him selfish and ruling his career out on the basis of his relatives and lack of aggro on the field. Virat Kohli isn't the batsman he is because he has swagger, it's because of the hard work and dedication he has shown to improve every aspect of his game.
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Rightly said.
 
Yes he didnt have an ideal tournament but it wasnt like he was getting out on ducks. He is 22, when Kohli played in 2011 world cup it wasnt like he won some matches single handedly. He scored on century against Bangladesh and it wasnt a match defining one.
 
waleed88 said:
Bhai jaan, Babar Azam averages in the 100s against the WI, which is the outlier that has made his average 50s.. if you take that out he averages in the 30s, which is where he really stands as a batsman in my opinion, a true reflection of his performance in the CT and before that
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He averages 42 if you take out the WI scores.

But please continue. :)
 
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