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Babar Azam and Haris Sohail should bat at #3 and #4 in ODIs/Tests

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If pak think tank is intelligent enuf they should go with these two players at these positions as the title says or haris at 3 and Babar at 4. Two promising young prospect with sound technique at 3 and 4 with left-right combo, u need to be seriously dumb to neglect and not try this. In the recent past and in the history time and again it has been proved that the left-right at the top 4 to be successful.

If we go on examples

Gilly -Hayden
Sanga - mahela
Sanath - kalu
Ganguly - sachin
Afridi - anwar
Fleming - astle
Kirsten - hudson
Amla - smith/ de kock
Gambhhir - sehwag
And now in the royal London series
Root and Morgan

Pakistan should go with this in ODIs at top 4

Azhar Ali
Sami aslam
Babar azam
Haris sohail

I'm sure when they start realise this and get to play this battong order they will surely taste success. No second thoughts.
 
Think it's a bit early for tests. YK & Misbah aren't going anywhere soon, but after they will be gone Babar & Haris will be most likely replacements.

As far as your ODI top 4 is concerned, spot on! I have also maintained this view and actually made a thread on this as well:

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...-Babar-amp-Haris-Best-possible-Top-4-for-ODIs

We already have Azhar, Babar & Haris in Top 4, think its a matter of time before Sami gets in as well (not sure why he was dropped in the first place)
 
Ahson Afzal said:
Think it's a bit early for tests. YK & Misbah aren't going anywhere soon, but after they will be gone Babar & Haris will be most likely replacements.

As far as your ODI top 4 is concerned, spot on! I have also maintained this view and actually made a thread on this as well:

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...-Babar-amp-Haris-Best-possible-Top-4-for-ODIs

We already have Azhar, Babar & Haris in Top 4, think its a matter of time before Sami gets in as well (not sure why he was dropped in the first place)
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I'm only concerned about the stubborn mgmt. they are little too thick to believe and get things done. For example waqar has totally messed the entire batting line up and still experimenting. Hope he settles with Sami Azhar Babar Haris as top 4 in ODIs eventually.
 
Moreover if they fail to play these as their top4 they might even lose on qualifying for the champions trophy.
 
Sami aslam has no right to donn Pak's colours yet, if ever.
Replace him with :shehzad n bring in u akmal at 5. Yes! For tests.
This would be the ideal line up IMO
 
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In the long run, I would like Babar to open, but for now, he should be competing with Shafiq with Haris occupying the other spot in the top 4. Who bats and 3 and who bats 4 doesn't necessarily matter, all three are equipped.

Drop Sarfraz, and give Rizwan the gloves in ODIs. If Babar opens eventually, we can bring Umar back to play in the middle-lower order.
 
Mamoon said:
In the long run, I would like Babar to open, but for now, he should be competing with Shafiq with Haris occupying the other spot in the top 4. Who bats and 3 and who bats 4 doesn't necessarily matter, all three are equipped.

Drop Sarfraz, and give Rizwan the gloves in ODIs. If Babar opens eventually, we can bring Umar back to play in the middle-lower order.
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How would you like our ODI team to shape up? Here's how I want it more or less.

1. Azhar Ali
2. Babar Azam
3. Haris Sohail
4. Umar Akmal
5. Shoaib Malik
6. Sohaib Maqsood
7. Hammad Azam
8. Wahab Riaz
9. Mohammad Amir
10.???
11.???
 
Belawal2014 said:
How would you like our ODI team to shape up? Here's how I want it more or less.

1. Azhar Ali
2. Babar Azam
3. Haris Sohail
4. Umar Akmal
5. Shoaib Malik
6. Sohaib Maqsood
7. Hammad Azam
8. Wahab Riaz
9. Mohammad Amir
10.???
11.???
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Who is your wicket-keeper?

1. Azhar *
2. Babar
3. Haris
4. Rizwan +
5. Malik
6. Umar/Maqsood
7. Hammad
8. Wahab
9. Yasir/Zafar
10. Amir
11. Adil

12. Junaid/Sohail Khan
13. Asad
14. Maqsood/Umar
15. Zafar/Yasir

:inti
 
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axl100mph said:
Sami aslam has no right to donn Pak's colours yet, if ever.
Replace him with :shehzad n bring in u akmal at 5. Yes! For tests.
This would be the ideal line up IMO
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Shehzad shouldn't be anywhere near the LOIs. Better let him stick to tests. Sami was unfairly dropped after scoring 45 at a good SR on debut. UA, hope we have ended afridi era of batting style. Can't give UA another afridi like run.
 
Mamoon said:
Who is your wicket-keeper?

1. Azhar *
2. Babar
3. Haris
4. Rizwan +
5. Malik
6. Umar/Maqsood
7. Hammad
8. Wahab
9. Yasir/Zafar
10. Amir
11. Adil

12. Junaid/Sohail Khan
13. Asad
14. Maqsood/Umar
15. Zafar/Yasir

:inti
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Looks good, after Malik retires (gracefully, I hope) Umar can go to #5, and Maqsood to #6.
 
axl100mph said:
Sami aslam has no right to donn Pak's colours yet, if ever.
Replace him with :shehzad n bring in u akmal at 5. Yes! For tests.
This would be the ideal line up IMO
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You seriously are underrating Sami Aslam, he's the highest run scorer at under 19 level ahead of De knock who is really good plus sami had a great list A season second only to Babar Azam in scoring

Yes I don't think hes ready for Test yet, Shehzad should stay there for now but for odis in the near future he needs to be there
 
Management seems to have decided Babar is a middle order batsman, and the challenge is that they're trying to accommodate Shafiq when there's just no room for him in ODIs.

Azhar
Hafeez (should be, will hopefully be Sami)
Haris/Babar
Babar/Haris
Malik (for as long as he's on the team unfortunately)
 
Nauman should be opening with Azhar in ODIs. He's better than any other option we've got. He'll produce gems here and there with some failures but no better way to develop him young. Letting him play Pak domestic would be just wasting time.
 
Neferpitou said:
Nauman should be opening with Azhar in ODIs. He's better than any other option we've got. He'll produce gems here and there with some failures but no better way to develop him young. Letting him play Pak domestic would be just wasting time.
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Actually agreed one million percent but it will never happen. Somehow Hafeez is irreplaceable, and if Hafeez is pushed down the lineup it likely pushes Babar out.
 
Mukhtar and Nauman need to be our T20 opening pair leading into the World T20 2016. Whoever does well should get selected for the ODI team.

If they are picked for ODIs on the back of 2-3 good T20s, they will probably get the Sharjeel treatment. He hasn't played a T20 since December 2013, when he scored a 50 in 24 deliveries vs. Sri Lanka, based on his poor ODI form after that match.

Let the likes of Mukhtar and Nauman settle in T20s first.
 
Mamoon said:
In the long run, I would like Babar to open, but for now, he should be competing with Shafiq with Haris occupying the other spot in the top 4. Who bats and 3 and who bats 4 doesn't necessarily matter, all three are equipped.

Drop Sarfraz, and give Rizwan the gloves in ODIs. If Babar opens eventually, we can bring Umar back to play in the middle-lower order.
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I fail to understand why you always want shafiq in the team but are willing to drop sarfraz. Even in your 15 man squad youve included shafiq. I dont care about his domestic list a records. Hes not dynamic enough to play limited over international cricket. And why drop Sarfraz. Yes hes not in great form but he has a hunger for runs and has a lot of ability as we witnessed in the world cup (that was no small feat against south africa). The boy deserves a few more chances and yes he can improve his glovework although Rizwan as a keeper is worse from what i have seen in domestic. Why not keep Rizwan at 7 and go with 4 regular bowlers and 2 allrounders in Hafeez and Shoaib. If A little more work is done on Sarfraz im sure he can become a good number 6 as an around 50 average with a 70+ strike rate in tests shows he can be a good odi player. Shafiq needs to stick to tests.
 
Yes in ideal world this should be our line up for champion trophy(provided we qualify) and WC 2019
1-Azhr
2-Nauman/Mukhtar
3-Babar
4-Harris
5-Rizwan
6-Umar
7-Hammad
8-Gohar
9-Amir
10-Adil
11-Junaid
 
Anis10 said:
You seriously are underrating Sami Aslam, he's the highest run scorer at under 19 level ahead of De knock who is really good plus sami had a great list A season second only to Babar Azam in scoring

Yes I don't think hes ready for Test yet, Shehzad should stay there for now but for odis in the near future he needs to be there
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I don't rate sami. Is basically a rich man's fawad Alan. His calibre was clearly on show when he couldn't even assert any control o
 
[MENTION=137698]ask_analyse_act[/MENTION] [MENTION=138884]Anis10[/MENTION]
I don't rate sami. Is basically a rich man's fawad Alam. His calibre was clearly on show when he couldn't even assert any control on a part timer like saumya sarkar on a featherbed even when we had a lead of over 300.

He Couldn't even get a stride in to drive that trundler,has poor balance at the crease like Alam and while u guys criticize :shehzad for poor footwork, this guy is even worse. At least shehzz has some stroke making ability unlike the former.
Sami aslam is the most overrated cricketer on pp after the one n only, totally rubbish Hammad azam .
 
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axl100mph said:
[MENTION=137698]ask_analyse_act[/MENTION] [MENTION=138884]Anis10[/MENTION]
I don't rate sami. Is basically a rich man's fawad Alam. His calibre was clearly on show when he couldn't even assert any control on a part timer like saumya sarkar on a featherbed even when we had a lead of over 300.

He Couldn't even get a stride in to drive that trundler,has poor balance at the crease like Alam and while u guys criticize :shehzad for poor footwork, this guy is even worse. At least shehzz has some stroke making ability unlike the former.
Sami aslam is the most overrated cricketer on pp after the one n only, totally rubbish Hammad azam .
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He may have flaws but he's only 19 and was probably a little nervous but looking at his stats from under 19 and list A he looks like good prospect

I remember Haris Sohail making his debut against West Indies he didn't look convincingly at all but now he looks the real deal so we should give him time to calm down and get used international cricket
 
You need better management to improve the players. Sadly , the kind of management Pakistan have , you will continue to see Hafeez get selected and hurt the team by batting up the order
 
Babar Azam and Sami Aslam are not ready for Tests yet. Both have mediocre FC record. Both should play ODIs though.

Haris needs to play but there's no spot sadly. I will still like to fill him in somehow. Sacrifice Hafeez or Shehzad maybe?
 
Anis10 said:
He may have flaws but he's only 19 and was probably a little nervous but looking at his stats from under 19 and list A he looks like good prospect

I remember Haris Sohail making his debut against West Indies he didn't look convincingly at all but now he looks the real deal so we should give him time to calm down and get used international cricket
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He has a thing with Sami for a long time now. Sami played some breathtaking strokes on his ODI debut, he's a timer and proper stroke maker who is bound to succeed. Sadly PCB will ruin him it seems.
 
As an aside, have management given up completely on Haris Sohail as an all-rounder? It seemed he was being pushed into that role in the WC, and he does have the ability. Seems like they've dropped that idea.
 
I still want to see Umar at 4 in ODI. But Babar did show promise in that first outting.
I just have a hunch about Umar.

Hafeez will be opening for a while yet and to be fair- if Hammad is going to be out number 7- somebody in your top 6 needs to be able to bowl 10 overs properly!!

1 Azhar
2 Hafeez
3 Haris
4 Umar/Babar
5 Malik
6 Sarfaraz
7 Maqsood/Hammad


My ideal lineup would be

1 Azhar
2 Babar
3 Haris
4 Umar
5 Sarfaraz
6 Hafeez
7 Maqsood

But this will never happen in that order
 
axl100mph said:
[MENTION=137698]ask_analyse_act[/MENTION] [MENTION=138884]Anis10[/MENTION]
I don't rate sami. Is basically a rich man's fawad Alam. His calibre was clearly on show when he couldn't even assert any control on a part timer like saumya sarkar on a featherbed even when we had a lead of over 300.

He Couldn't even get a stride in to drive that trundler,has poor balance at the crease like Alam and while u guys criticize :shehzad for poor footwork, this guy is even worse. At least shehzz has some stroke making ability unlike the former.
Sami aslam is the most overrated cricketer on pp after the one n only, totally rubbish Hammad azam .
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Yes his list-A record is better than that of FC compared to shehzad. we are talking about having Sami in ODIs and not in Tests. What can u say for shehzad innings of 17(34) in a t20 match against the same opposition on a featherbeddo bed. Selfie shezzy boy is not an LOI batsman let him play tests only.
 
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Hawkeye said:
He has a thing with Sami for a long time now. Sami played some breathtaking strokes on his ODI debut, he's a timer and proper stroke maker who is bound to succeed. Sadly PCB will ruin him it seems.
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May be they panic that shehzad is getting more competition in LOIs from Sami aslam, Mukthar, nouman and so on.
 
Abdul-Jalil said:
I still want to see Umar at 4 in ODI. But Babar did show promise in that first outting.
I just have a hunch about Umar.

Hafeez will be opening for a while yet and to be fair- if Hammad is going to be out number 7- somebody in your top 6 needs to be able to bowl 10 overs properly!!

1 Azhar
2 Hafeez
3 Haris
4 Umar/Babar
5 Malik
6 Sarfaraz
7 Maqsood/Hammad


My ideal lineup would be

1 Azhar
2 Babar
3 Haris
4 Umar
5 Sarfaraz
6 Hafeez
7 Maqsood

But this will never happen in that order
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Hammad swings the ball both ways at 120 speed, I reckon the keeper should stand up for Hammad or Hammad should increase his pace to 130ish.
 
I think our test number 3 and 4 are solid. Azhar Ali is young whereas Younis Khan can continue playing tests for a few more years. In ODI's though I agree. These two have enormous potential and so far have had good ODI careers
 
^ Welcome back Cricket_Engineer/Orbis.

At least change your signature/venue/flag etc. if you don't want to get caught and banned again.
 
Who would you guys replace for haris shail in the curren lineup?

Haris is my favourite odi player in pak and i think he needs a spot at number 4. In my opinion id replace shehzad who is obviously the weak link which some posters who i wont name dont seem to understand. Babar can open the innings or even Hafeez.
 
Another thread on shehzad by the same poster twice in a single day. :facepalm:
Putting babar as the suggestion who has failed so far. Wow.
 
11ShadyBrothers said:
Another thread on shehzad by the same poster twice in a single day. :facepalm:
Putting babar as the suggestion who has failed so far. Wow.
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Not about shehzad that was my opinion. Who would you replace haris for. Babar deserves an extended run imo
 
Babar should sit out once haris gets fit.

Shehzad should be replaced by mukhtar , this guy has no will to improve.
 
called this three years ago when waqar was the coach... but not too late as they are still young... continue to back them and stretch it as long as possible with experience and more no. of matches this will be another master stroke from MICKEY yielding benefits for atleast 5-6 years...
 
Rayyman said:
It's more of a temperamental problem than technical.
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his temperament is ok but he gets bogged down in the middle of his innings and very poor conversion rate from 50 -100 which needs a fix especially in LOIs.. In tests he has a good record in domestics but in LA he has only 1 100 in 50 games or so...
 
When you realise Haris Sohail is 29 years old and he's still not a permanent starter.
 
Babar should be no where near test. He can only play ODi against weaker team in home condition. He should not be nowhere in overseas matches
 
ask_analyse_act said:
when he bats and scores runs then u will agree
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I always wanted Harris to play. My reason for him to play at no. 6 in tests is that he is new - you cannot add a new guy to our test line up at 4.

He could play at 5, however the no. 4/5 are position which batsman need experience at international level.

Like asad shafiq - however he has not improved at all
 
finalfantasy7 said:
I always wanted Harris to play. My reason for him to play at no. 6 in tests is that he is new - you cannot add a new guy to our test line up at 4.

He could play at 5, however the no. 4/5 are position which batsman need experience at international level.

Like asad shafiq - however he has not improved at all
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I would say Haris is better equipped with technique to play at no.4 in all conditions and its time they use him at no.4 on all formats. Haris has much better improved composure after his injury. Even today he got bogged down in 30s after hitting a six and was playing silly shots and not rotating , threatening to get out but maintained his calm and got to the fifty. He has the hunger to score more runs and looks to stay there longer than he used to before. Want him make a ton in LOI and TESTS asap then many would follow.
 
Here you go.

Babar Azam at #3
Haris Sohail at #4

Series Decider vs New Zealand

They've only batted together twice and their partnerships totaled 12 & 4.
 
Harris at 4 is a must Its bizarre he doesnt be one of the first names in the odi team considering how poor pakistans batting is
 
Harris Sohail just ozeessss class, batting with babar they rotate the strike so well
 
Excellent stuff today. Best 3rd wicket partnership I've seen for a while from Pakistan in ODIs.
 
Babar should open in limited overs cricket.

I don't have anything personal against Imam, but as long as Babar is there, no one other than him should open.
 
I would like to see Babar opening in odis and Haris at no 3 and Haris at 3 and Babar at 4 in tests.

When Sharjeel comes back these 2 should bat at no 3 and no 4 in odis and tests.
 
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