'Babar Azam and Mohammad Rizwan are not going to win Pakistan tournaments': Aaqib Javed

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

Green is an exceptional hitter.

Rizwan and Babar trying play like Green would be sheer stupidity.

They were incredible today. What was clear was that they took more risks, Babar by using the crease and Rizzy by using his feet.

However, their performance begs the question. If they can do it opening, why can’t they do it in the middle order? It’s too late to try it for the World Cup, but if Babar and Rizwan can bat as aggressively at 3 and 4, Pakistan’s middle order problems disappear in an instant, because they have promising enough openers in domestic and on the bench to give them a good start (Haris, Fakhar, Sharjeel, Saim in due time)

 

[Ashmal]

Just goes to show what we saw was a fine example of stats without context in reference to Sharjeel's inferior numbers in National T20 cup.

This can be easily explained.

Babar is a terrific batsman but in international cricket he hasn't fulfilled his talent for a few reasons that I can think of from the top of my head.

1. Babar lacks confidence under the spotlight. This explains why his strike rate is under 130 in T20Is when really it should be at a bit higher than that.

2. He plays for his stats (average and milestones). He's slowed down on numerous occasions when nearing a 50 or 100

3. He's crumbles when the stakes are high. He can't be trusted to deliver in a semi-final or final.

Talk nah....but I guess Babar Hayat is still the better Babar for you

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Yes, it's understandable fans would get carried away, but for an ex-pro that's really poor stuff.

It's old news at this point. Every month some ex-cricketer desperate for attention and relevance gives a hot take that gets them in the headlines. Doesn't take long for them to be served humble pie. Then they go into hiding until someone in the team is doing poorly and people have forgotten what they said the last time.

 

[Ashmal]

Aqib Javed owned yet again

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Just goes to show what we saw was a fine example of stats without context in reference to Sharjeel's inferior numbers in National T20 cup.

This can be easily explained.

Babar is a terrific batsman but in international cricket he hasn't fulfilled his talent for a few reasons that I can think of from the top of my head.

1. Babar lacks confidence under the spotlight. This explains why his strike rate is under 130 in T20Is when really it should be at a bit higher than that.

2. He plays for his stats (average and milestones). He's slowed down on numerous occasions when nearing a 50 or 100

3. He's crumbles when the stakes are high. He can't be trusted to deliver in a semi-final or final.

This post is the most spectacular piece of comedy I have read today. Not just because it exposes your utterly deluded opinions on cricket, but also because Babar's innings today laughs in the face of posts like these and individuals such as yourself.

But yeah, keep talking lol

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Talk nah....but I guess Babar Hayat is still the better Babar for you

Nah bro we need our Yo-Yo Test Ace Sharjeel to go there and demonstrate his utter lack of ability to rotate the strike. We need him to show everyone how to make full use of the leg-side until someone with half a brain works your one-dimensional game out.

 

[shamaan]

Bairstow and Roy are England ATG’s already, and on their way to being among the best ever, harsh to compare Ris with those guys, only Babar as a talent compares with those guys and in some ways Fakhar. Besides those guys despite some of the limitations, which Roy or Bairstow is waiting on the bench in Pakistan

Roy is done and dusted and is t20 career is okay.

 

[shamaan]

Babar is good enough to bat at 3 I stil stand by that he should stil bat at that position.

 

[Abstraction1]

Babar and Rizwan and top tabked T20 batsmen for a reason.

Until others can play big knocks I don't see an alternative. The only player who comes close is Fakhar who unfortunately is running low on form.

Sharjeel is tried and tested, but always falls short. Shan has potential to do something, but he needs to come in early.

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

This post is the most spectacular piece of comedy I have read today. Not just because it exposes your utterly deluded opinions on cricket, but also because Babar's innings today laughs in the face of posts like these and individuals such as yourself.

But yeah, keep talking lol

No I’m fact, it doesn’t prove YOUR deluded fantasies. Pakistan won because Babar and Rizzy were willing to stick by the courage of their convictions, which is to play more aggressively. There’s no chance that the old Rizwan would have gone for that aggressive shot that Hales spilled, that early in his innings. Rizzy repeatedly used his feet and Babar changed it up by using the crease. That’s breaking from the norm, which most sane minded observers asked for.

So, whilst we’re all thrilled with the magnificent chase, we need to see then showing similar intent when batting first.

So the comedy lies in your hilarious pandering. It’s Not that deep.

 

[TheSultan]

No I’m fact, it doesn’t prove YOUR deluded fantasies. Pakistan won because Babar and Rizzy were willing to stick by the courage of their convictions, which is to play more aggressively. There’s no chance that the old Rizwan would have gone for that aggressive shot that Hales spilled, that early in his innings. Rizzy repeatedly used his feet and Babar changed it up by using the crease. That’s breaking from the norm, which most sane minded observers asked for.

So, whilst we’re all thrilled with the magnificent chase, we need to see then showing similar intent when batting first.

So the comedy lies in your hilarious pandering. It’s Not that deep.

Well said - an excellent breakdown.

 

[Ahmed216]

No I’m fact, it doesn’t prove YOUR deluded fantasies. Pakistan won because Babar and Rizzy were willing to stick by the courage of their convictions, which is to play more aggressively. There’s no chance that the old Rizwan would have gone for that aggressive shot that Hales spilled, that early in his innings. Rizzy repeatedly used his feet and Babar changed it up by using the crease. That’s breaking from the norm, which most sane minded observers asked for.

So, whilst we’re all thrilled with the magnificent chase, we need to see then showing similar intent when batting first.

So the comedy lies in your hilarious pandering. It’s Not that deep.

Well said. Don’t know why but this poster likes to make personal attacks all the time. I find it very strange.

 

[Ahmed216]

Example also is not correct, there was a 70+ innings in the final from sri lanka. Remove that innings and you can see the difference. Come out of those 25
-30 runs players. In t20s also you need someone to score those 60-70s, all batsmans can't chip in with those 20-30s always, that not realistic.

Did not say all we need is 25-30s. I said quickfire small knocks are better than slow long ones in this format. Obviously 70 is much better but it needs to be at a good SR

 

[Jazx]

Did not say all we need is 25-30s. I said quickfire small knocks are better than slow long ones in this format. Obviously 70 is much better but it needs to be at a good SR

Slow long ones are rarely played in this format. Either the batsman gets out in 20s 30s while batting slow or else he will accelerate and cover up after getting set. Yes, it was one of the knock that rizwan played in the final which i will also criticize anyhow and that too was played while chasing a big total. But a small knock will never be considered good for a batsman who plays in top 4 even if he plays at a strike rate of 200.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Pakistan fans still trying to make sense of how they just got owned?

Babar and Rizwan are your best opening partnership in eons. There is no guarantee anyone else comes in and does better than this as an opening partnership.

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

Pakistan fans still trying to make sense of how they just got owned?

Babar and Rizwan are your best opening partnership in eons. There is no guarantee anyone else comes in and does better than this as an opening partnership.

They are incredible. However the strategy was outdated, but not in the way most think. Babar/Rizzy playing relatively safely for 13-14 overs works w/ an inform Fakhar, a booming Hafeez, and an Asif Ali left to do w/ the minimum. Change any of that equation up and it’s trouble.

If u replace and inform Fakhar w/ an out of form Fakhar and Ifti, it’s a big drop off.

The intent and risk with which they batted today was Alhamdullillah, chefs kiss, magnifique.

Even if they got out with 60 on the board, I would be happy. Because that’s living by the courage of your convictions.

 

[Usman Chadda]

They are incredible. However the strategy was outdated, but not in the way most think. Babar/Rizzy playing relatively safely for 13-14 overs works w/ an inform Fakhar, a booming Hafeez, and an Asif Ali left to do w/ the minimum. Change any of that equation up and it’s trouble.

If u replace and inform Fakhar w/ an out of form Fakhar and Ifti, it’s a big drop off.

The intent and risk with which they batted today was Alhamdullillah, chefs kiss, magnifique.

Even if they got out with 60 on the board, I would be happy. Because that’s living by the courage of your convictions.

This is the best we can do. Most of you here think we have some incredible talent hiding to re-jig this strategy, unfortunately we don’t. This is hands down your best opening partnership in T20 ever, no Fakhars or Sharjeels can replace these two.

The dumbest thing I have ever read on this forum is when fans are blaming Babar-Rizwan for the middle-order’s failures. If you keep molly coddling pathetic cricketers like Khushdil Shah and Iftikhar Ahmed, you deserve the middle-order you are getting to see today.

 

[shady]

What swift justice. I’m hoping against hope that this episode leads to him being fired from LQ. It’s embarrassing that the biggest PSL franchise is saddled with such a clown. He deserves all the animosity aimed at him after this.

 

[topspin]

This post is the most spectacular piece of comedy I have read today. Not just because it exposes your utterly deluded opinions on cricket, but also because Babar's innings today laughs in the face of posts like these and individuals such as yourself.

But yeah, keep talking lol

This was a second string England bowling attack bowling with dew. Nothing to get too excited about.

Also, if I was you, I'd be the last person to call someone deluded based on your recent garbage.

Do I need to remind you of when you said "Joe Root isn't fit to tie Kane Williamson's shoelaces"? If you had any shred of credibility you'd accept you were horribly way off the mark on this one.

But the one that takes the cake is you opting for Misbah over Wasim Akram if you had the choice of having one of these players in your side

 

[topspin]

Talk nah....but I guess Babar Hayat is still the better Babar for you

This was a second string England bowling attack bowling with dew. Nothing to get too excited about.

 

[The intelligent Supporter]

[MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION]

 

[The intelligent Supporter]

This is what they have always done

And now they are paying the price for their negligence

Um. Always?

 

[Cric1234]

Main reason he’s not good enough in tournament knockouts to score quickly enough as the opposition are at full strength and playing with full intensity not something teams do in bilaterals as they rest players regularly.

This is where Babar and Rizwan have created a false perception they can score quickly as doing so on flat wickets against weak bowling is different to the World Cup against the best teams.

This will be the third time they will cost Pakistan in a tournament which will be the end of Babar as captain and Saqlain as coach as such ignorance to good advise and doing the same things without success will ultimately be their and most importantly Pakistan’s downfall.

This post sums it up for me Babar and Rizwan very good in bilaterals against weaker bowling but come up short in world cups they will have another chance in Australia let’s see if they can do it at the World Cup against the best teams.

 

[topspin]

No I’m fact, it doesn’t prove YOUR deluded fantasies. Pakistan won because Babar and Rizzy were willing to stick by the courage of their convictions, which is to play more aggressively. There’s no chance that the old Rizwan would have gone for that aggressive shot that Hales spilled, that early in his innings. Rizzy repeatedly used his feet and Babar changed it up by using the crease. That’s breaking from the norm, which most sane minded observers asked for.

So, whilst we’re all thrilled with the magnificent chase, we need to see then showing similar intent when batting first.

So the comedy lies in your hilarious pandering. It’s Not that deep.

Exactly this.

Also, the question remains can our openers do it:

1. When the stakes are high - WT20, Asia Cup final and etc
2. Without help from dew
3. Perhaps most importantly - against first string bowling attacks against the top sides

Babar and Rizwan deserve top marks for their performance today but what deadwood doesn't understand is neither Aqib Javed, Rana, Markhor and other critics like myself have been proven wrong.

The challenge for the opening pair is to show the same intent at the big stage against quality bowlers and win Pakistan a WT20 or at least an Asia Cup in the shortest format. Until then this bhangra will be short lived.

 

[topspin]

Another Pakistani ex-cricketer made to look like a clown. What else is new?

You must have comprehension issues.

Aqib Javed claimed Pakistan won't win tournaments with this opening combo. Please kindly explain what tournament have we won with Babar and Rizwan that has made this ex-cricketer a clown?

FYI I don't rate Aqib Javed's analysis nor his coaching abilities even in the slightest.

 

[Ashmal]

No I’m fact, it doesn’t prove YOUR deluded fantasies. Pakistan won because Babar and Rizzy were willing to stick by the courage of their convictions, which is to play more aggressively. There’s no chance that the old Rizwan would have gone for that aggressive shot that Hales spilled, that early in his innings. Rizzy repeatedly used his feet and Babar changed it up by using the crease. That’s breaking from the norm, which most sane minded observers asked for.

So, whilst we’re all thrilled with the magnificent chase, we need to see then showing similar intent when batting first.

So the comedy lies in your hilarious pandering. It’s Not that deep.

But it's not the first time that Babar and Rizwan have done this.

It's their 5th 150+ opening stand in T20Is so clearly it's not something new for them.

I think most of us are clouded by the recency bias... Babar having a poor Asia Cup made this pair look far worse than in actual.
It made Rizwan play far more conservatively than usual.

 

[Ashmal]

This post sums it up for me Babar and Rizwan very good in bilaterals against weaker bowling but come up short in world cups they will have another chance in Australia let’s see if they can do it at the World Cup against the best teams.

That 152/0 came in a WC against IPL superstars

 

[Ashmal]

Exactly this.

Also, the question remains can our openers do it:

1. When the stakes are high - WT20, Asia Cup final and etc
2. Without help from dew
3. Perhaps most importantly - against first string bowling attacks against the top sides

Babar and Rizwan deserve top marks for their performance today but what deadwood doesn't understand is neither Aqib Javed, Rana, Markhor and other critics like myself have been proven wrong.

The challenge for the opening pair is to show the same intent at the big stage against quality bowlers and win Pakistan a WT20 or at least an Asia Cup in the shortest format. Until then this bhangra will be short lived.

As if Sharjeel and the others who you want to replace Babar-Rizwan with have done well in an ICC knockout vs a big team.

 

[Cric1234]

That 152/0 came in a WC against IPL superstars

That’s one match chasing which was easier in UAE it wasn’t a knockout aswell like I said they need to win Pakistan a tournament which they haven’t done as yet.

The main reason Pakistan lost in the knockouts at the World Cup and Asia Cup was down to the openers not scoring quickly enough.

 

[hitthestump]

Exactly this.

Also, the question remains can our openers do it:

1. When the stakes are high - WT20, Asia Cup final and etc
2. Without help from dew
3. Perhaps most importantly - against first string bowling attacks against the top sides

Babar and Rizwan deserve top marks for their performance today but what deadwood doesn't understand is neither Aqib Javed, Rana, Markhor and other critics like myself have been proven wrong.

The challenge for the opening pair is to show the same intent at the big stage against quality bowlers and win Pakistan a WT20 or at least an Asia Cup in the shortest format. Until then this bhangra will be short lived.

Rizwan and Babar have nothing left to prove to anyone. Rizwan in particular has delivered so many tight slaps to his doubters over the past 2 years that he is surely bored of it now.

A mediocre cricketing nation like Pakistan has no right to demand any high stakes deliverance or phainty against the best bowling attacks in the world. Your made up conditions mean nothing except to clearly highlight your continuing insecurity and trouble accepting that you were wrong.

 

[topspin]

This post sums it up for me Babar and Rizwan very good in bilaterals against weaker bowling but come up short in world cups they will have another chance in Australia let’s see if they can do it at the World Cup against the best teams.

Completely agree. Doing it in a home bilateral against a second string medium pace bowling attack with dew is one thing, but doing it against a full strength side in a knockout game in a tournament like WT20 (or even Asia cup) is a completely different beast.

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

But it's not the first time that Babar and Rizwan have done this.

It's their 5th 150+ opening stand in T20Is so clearly it's not something new for them.

I think most of us are clouded by the recency bias... Babar having a poor Asia Cup made this pair look far worse than in actual.
It made Rizwan play far more conservatively than usual.

I appreciate their record, we are lucky to have them. My gripe was more with the strategy. It basically relies on your bowlers overperforming and your batters (atleast the middle order) almost being designed to underperform.

I think today revealed that Rizzy can score at a quicker rate if he takes more risks. Of course, he could have gotten out, but so what? It’s not a sustainable strategy to have your middle order form any sense of timing/confidence/batting rhythm if they have so few balls to affect the game. I’ll leave Ifti out of this, because I feel we’ve seen his ceiling. However, Khushdil, whilst no means a world beater, is a better player than the travesty of performances he’s recently given. And he can only allay that if he gets proper time out in the middle, which he never does because Rizzy/Babar play 70-80 balls without getting the score to the magical 10 an over.

Today Rizzy/Babar did played with some gusto, and if they failed doing it, I would have respected them going out on their shields. Better to go for it than to die wondering. Won’t work every time, but it’ll work enough times to inflate your confidence. And a confident team is a dangerous team.

 

[topspin]

That’s one match chasing which was easier in UAE it wasn’t a knockout aswell like I said they need to win Pakistan a tournament which they haven’t done as yet.

The main reason Pakistan lost in the knockouts at the World Cup and Asia Cup was down to the openers not scoring quickly enough.

With all the bhangra after today's game, it seems like the losses in WT20 semi final and Asia Cup have been forgotten.

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

Completely agree. Doing it in a home bilateral against a second string medium pace bowling attack with dew is one thing, but doing it against a full strength side in a knockout game in a tournament like WT20 (or even Asia cup) is a completely different beast.

There was zero dew and this is the best available English line up. Also, They can only do it in the bigger tournaments if they start from the bilaterals. Confidence doesn’t suddenly come to you, it’s like a muscle, it needs to be exercised. Thus as fans, us nitpicking really doesn’t add much but appreciating (whilst maintaining skepticism) Is more beneficial to the team.

 

[Zaz]

They were incredible today. What was clear was that they took more risks, Babar by using the crease and Rizzy by using his feet.

However, their performance begs the question. If they can do it opening, why can’t they do it in the middle order? It’s too late to try it for the World Cup, but if Babar and Rizwan can bat as aggressively at 3 and 4, Pakistan’s middle order problems disappear in an instant, because they have promising enough openers in domestic and on the bench to give them a good start (Haris, Fakhar, Sharjeel, Saim in due time)

Because opening and coming in the middle order are different positions requiring different skills

You dont fix a leak by creating another leak Theyre the most successful t20 openers in the world Why spoil that when they win you most games?

And there no guarantees any others will be half as successful as these two

Id rather these two come in at 0-0 than 20-2 and on the backfoot

We need to find players that can play in the middle order Not lose the openers

 

[Mean&Green]

Who is aaqib javed never heard of the guy but regardless if pakistan are to lose or win a tournament it will solely depend on these two.

 

[topspin]

As if Sharjeel and the others who you want to replace Babar-Rizwan with have done well in an ICC knockout vs a big team.

Only if he's 100% fit and even if he is, I want to see what he can offer in bilaterals first. He has a proven track record in white ball cricket Australia and Starc and Cummins so he could be a good option for the WT20 down under.

Otherwise, I wanna see Sami Ayub given a go instead.

 

[topspin]

There was zero dew and this is the best available English line up. Also, They can only do it in the bigger tournaments if they start from the bilaterals. Confidence doesn’t suddenly come to you, it’s like a muscle, it needs to be exercised. Thus as fans, us nitpicking really doesn’t add much but appreciating (whilst maintaining skepticism) Is more beneficial to the team.

There was according to Wasim Akram when he was commentating.

I agree with you that they must showcase their skills in bilaterals first before they're able to do it in a tournament.

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

Because opening and coming in the middle order are different positions requiring different skills

You dont fix a leak by creating another leak Theyre the most successful t20 openers in the world Why spoil that when they win you most games?

And there no guarantees any others will be half as successful as these two

Id rather these two come in at 0-0 than 20-2 and on the backfoot

We need to find players that can play in the middle order Not lose the openers

Therein lies the mindset change. 20-2 shouldn’t feel like back foot if you’ve asked your openers to go express themselves. It’s high risk high reward. And yes there are no guarantees w/ other openers. But it’s undoubted that our opener pool is greater than our middle order pool (incidentally, where we’ve tried to retrofit openers like Fakhar/Shan/Haider and Asif Ali).

Also, not suggesting this be done anytime soon, but only after the World Cup. It’s not sustainable to have a team with 2 world class batters and 4 severely underperforming ones. At least with this strategy to allow dashers at the top to have a good start (or fail whilst trying to) and then Babar and Rizzy can do their thing.

 

[Cric1234]

There was zero dew and this is the best available English line up. Also, They can only do it in the bigger tournaments if they start from the bilaterals. Confidence doesn’t suddenly come to you, it’s like a muscle, it needs to be exercised. Thus as fans, us nitpicking really doesn’t add much but appreciating (whilst maintaining skepticism) Is more beneficial to the team.

The bowlers who played at the last World Cup for England:

Jordan
Woakes
Livingstone
Mills
Rashid

Today’s bowling lineup:

Willey
Curran
Luke Wood
Dawson
Rashid

Only Rashid is playing from the bowling attack at the World Cup it’s clearly not their best bowling attack and they also have different batsmen not playing it is a B team which Pakistan should win matches against no surprise Babar and Rizwan did well on this wicket.

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

The bowlers who played at the last World Cup for England:

Jordan
Woakes
Livingstone
Mills
Rashid

Today’s bowling lineup:

Willey
Curran
Luke Wood
Dawson
Rashid

Only Rashid is playing from the bowling attack at the World Cup it’s clearly not their best bowling attack and they also have different batsmen not playing it is a B team which Pakistan should win matches against no surprise Babar and Rizwan did well on this wicket.

Livingstone and Woakes are injured (Woakes is in Pakistan). Jordan and Mills have fractured finger and toe respectively. Saqib Mahmood and Jofra are long term injured. This is the best available English attack.

Don’t take for granted this win. Pakistan aren’t entitled to win anything, so let’s appreciate when it does happen.

 

[shaz619]

The bowlers who played at the last World Cup for England:

Jordan
Woakes
Livingstone
Mills
Rashid

Today’s bowling lineup:

Willey
Curran
Luke Wood
Dawson
Rashid

Only Rashid is playing from the bowling attack at the World Cup it’s clearly not their best bowling attack and they also have different batsmen not playing it is a B team which Pakistan should win matches against no surprise Babar and Rizwan did well on this wicket.

This attack was strong and a big chunk of them will play in Australia or go there with the squad. These are England’s current options outside 1 or 2 changes

 

[Waleed93]

Babar and Rizwan have carried this mediocre T20I batting line up for 2 years now.

They don't have to prove anything to anyone.

7 100+ partnerships in T20Is, it says a lot about their domination and match winning contributions. The only negative part is again the fact that these 2 keep hiding the useless bunch of hacks that we have in the middle order.

Clowns like Aqib Javed and Shoaib Akhtar can go and hide their faces in shame while cheerleaders like [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] can keep moaning about that fatso's s return to the team.

Imagine replacing Rizwan and Babar with Sharjeel.
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] time to find a new hiding until the next match.

 

[shaz619]

Nah bro we need our Yo-Yo Test Ace Sharjeel to go there and demonstrate his utter lack of ability to rotate the strike. We need him to show everyone how to make full use of the leg-side until someone with half a brain works your one-dimensional game out.

Sharjeel should come in a Rikishi thong and twerk for his biggest fans, I don’t know what else he would do? maybe he can twerk as a cheer leader every time Babar/Ris hit a boundary. apparently, Sharjeel and Sam Ayuib deserve the 2 of America's most wanted song for their entrance, more like Funaki’s theme. If there are two bad bad men in Pak cricket, it would have to be Babar and Riswan - All Eyez on Them

 

[shamaan]

This was a second string England bowling attack bowling with dew. Nothing to get too excited about.

Also, if I was you, I'd be the last person to call someone deluded based on your recent garbage.

Do I need to remind you of when you said "Joe Root isn't fit to tie Kane Williamson's shoelaces"? If you had any shred of credibility you'd accept you were horribly way off the mark on this one.

But the one that takes the cake is you opting for Misbah over Wasim Akram if you had the choice of having one of these players in your side

Rashid,Willey,Moeen are pretty much in the squad for the world cup only one really missing is wood.

 

[SM1989]

For future reference: If ever your opinion is inline with someone like Aqib Javed. You need to question yourself.

This was a bilateral match on a flat pitch with short boundaries against England B.

Only if these 2 openers win a world cup or asia cup for Pakistan, will Aqib’s statement be proven wrong.

 

[Gayle_Force]

This was a bilateral match on a flat pitch with short boundaries against England B.

Only if these 2 openers win a world cup or asia cup for Pakistan, will Aqib’s statement be proven wrong.

How were the boundaries short? They seemed a standard size if not long boundaries. Doesn’t look like you watched the match. This England side is not far off from the World Cup team. One can argue that the Pakistan side is also the b side without Shadab, Shaheen, & Fakhar.

 

[hitthestump]

This was a bilateral match on a flat pitch with short boundaries against England B.

Only if these 2 openers win a world cup or asia cup for Pakistan, will Aqib’s statement be proven wrong.

You are a terrible poster on this forum. Only if you can win POTW by the end of the year will my statement be proven wrong.

 

[Ashmal]

The bowlers who played at the last World Cup for England:

Jordan
Woakes
Livingstone
Mills
Rashid

Today’s bowling lineup:

Willey
Curran
Luke Wood
Dawson
Rashid

Only Rashid is playing from the bowling attack at the World Cup it’s clearly not their best bowling attack and they also have different batsmen not playing it is a B team which Pakistan should win matches against no surprise Babar and Rizwan did well on this wicket.

Lol...Indian fans are being salty for no reason

Rashid, Moeen, Willey, Curran have all been regular players for Eng for a long time.

Livingstone is a part-timer while Jordan is no great either he gets smashed usually anyway.

 

[Ashmal]

This was a bilateral match on a flat pitch with short boundaries against England B.

Only if these 2 openers win a world cup or asia cup for Pakistan, will Aqib’s statement be proven wrong.

No boundary was short....almost every boundary was over 70m long except at fine leg (65m).

Come up with a new excuse now.

 

[Gayle_Force]

This was a bilateral match on a flat pitch with short boundaries against England B.

Only if these 2 openers win a world cup or asia cup for Pakistan, will Aqib’s statement be proven wrong.

How were the boundaries short? They seemed a standard size if not long boundaries. Doesn’t look like you watched the match. This England side is not far off from the World Cup team. One can argue that the Pakistan side is also the b side without Shadab, Shaheen, & Fakhar.

 

[Ashmal]

Only if he's 100% fit and even if he is, I want to see what he can offer in bilaterals first. He has a proven track record in white ball cricket Australia and Starc and Cummins so he could be a good option for the WT20 down under.

Otherwise, I wanna see Sami Ayub given a go instead.

Saim Ayub is too raw for a WT20 now, he could be tried for the next cycle.

Sharjeel's fitness is no secret and it's clearly not the same as it was in 2016-17.

 

[Cric1234]

Lol...Indian fans are being salty for no reason

Rashid, Moeen, Willey, Curran have all been regular players for Eng for a long time.

Livingstone is a part-timer while Jordan is no great either he gets smashed usually anyway.

The bowling lineup at the World Cup will probably be:

Woakes
Mark Wood
Jordan
Livingstone
Rashid

Stop getting emotional I’m just stating facts it will be different apart from one bowler I want Pakistan to win but I’m realistic winning matches at the World Cup is where it matters bilaterals in T20s are more for practise and testing out players.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Good response to the critics. But if they played with this approach all the time then they wouldn’t have any critics.

The criticism was warranted and now the praise is warranted for this innings.

Not like they had any choice today chasing 10 an over all the way But they are good at protecting their wicket while maintaining the asking rate. Very good at that.

 

[Ahmed216]

Exactly this.

Also, the question remains can our openers do it:

1. When the stakes are high - WT20, Asia Cup final and etc
2. Without help from dew
3. Perhaps most importantly - against first string bowling attacks against the top sides

Babar and Rizwan deserve top marks for their performance today but what deadwood doesn't understand is neither Aqib Javed, Rana, Markhor and other critics like myself have been proven wrong.

The challenge for the opening pair is to show the same intent at the big stage against quality bowlers and win Pakistan a WT20 or at least an Asia Cup in the shortest format. Until then this bhangra will be short lived.

You don’t win tournaments with only a couple of batsmen. Do you expect them to stay not out in every game? Is it really so difficult to understand?
They are the most prolific opening pair ever in t20is. Won Pakistan so many games almost on their own

 

[Ahmed216]

That’s one match chasing which was easier in UAE it wasn’t a knockout aswell like I said they need to win Pakistan a tournament which they haven’t done as yet.

The main reason Pakistan lost in the knockouts at the World Cup and Asia Cup was down to the openers not scoring quickly enough.

We all know what happens when they depart quickly. Look at it this way. They’ve never had the cushion of a solid middle order.
First of all we need to accept we are not a top side and adjust our expectations accordingly

 

[Usman Chadda]

The bowlers who played at the last World Cup for England:

Jordan
Woakes
Livingstone
Mills
Rashid

Today’s bowling lineup:

Willey
Curran
Luke Wood
Dawson
Rashid

Only Rashid is playing from the bowling attack at the World Cup it’s clearly not their best bowling attack and they also have different batsmen not playing it is a B team which Pakistan should win matches against no surprise Babar and Rizwan did well on this wicket.

Do you watch cricket enough? This was a better bowling attack than the one in the World Cup

Sam Curran was injured for the World Cup, otherwise he was first choice.

Stop trying to put down an extraordinary performance. As if your Sharjeels or Fakhars would have done this ever even against Uganda?

 

[Cric1234]

Do you watch cricket enough? This was a better bowling attack than the one in the World Cup

Sam Curran was injured for the World Cup, otherwise he was first choice.

Stop trying to put down an extraordinary performance. As if your Sharjeels or Fakhars would have done this ever even against Uganda?

Of course it was Woakes Wood Jordan who can ball quick are worse than medium pace trundlers Willey Curran and Luke Wood who's a newcomer to international cricket.

Undoubtedly according to people on here Willey Curran and Wood would win England the World Cup anything to make their own batsmen look great if they were so good they wouldn’t have come up short at the Asia and World T20 no excuses this time though let’s see what they can do don’t be surprised if they come up short again.

 

[Cric1234]

You don’t win tournaments with only a couple of batsmen. Do you expect them to stay not out in every game? Is it really so difficult to understand?
They are the most prolific opening pair ever in t20is. Won Pakistan so many games almost on their own

Do you even remember any of the bowlers playing when they won matches against South Africa and West Indies no they were worse bowling attacks than you find in domestic cricket.

Frankly Babar and Rizwan have created this false perception of being great batsmen in bilaterals against easier bowling only to get found out in tournaments why can’t they do it then here’s why playing the best teams at full strength is totally different to bilaterals when players are not available/rested your weaknesses are found out in tournaments.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Of course it was Woakes Wood Jordan who can ball quick are worse than medium pace trundlers Willey Curran and Luke Wood who's a newcomer to international cricket.

Undoubtedly according to people on here Willey Curran and Wood would win England the World Cup anything to make their own batsmen look great if they were so good they wouldn’t have come up short at the Asia and World T20 no excuses this time though let’s see what they can do don’t be surprised if they come up short again.

Regardless of how our batsmen do at the World Cup, you are incredibly over-rating prowess of Woakes and Jordan as T20 cricketers

Sam Curran was a first choice for England for the World Cup until he got injured and got replaced. Also, just to update your cricketing ‘knowledge’, Luke Wood is quicker than Woakes and Jordan

We really should have an IQ filter for some posts here. Reading such rubbish is as bad as enduring Khushdil Shah.

 

[Ashmal]

Do you even remember any of the bowlers playing when they won matches against South Africa and West Indies no they were worse bowling attacks than you find in domestic cricket.

Frankly Babar and Rizwan have created this false perception of being great batsmen in bilaterals against easier bowling only to get found out in tournaments why can’t they do it then here’s why playing the best teams at full strength is totally different to bilaterals when players are not available/rested your weaknesses are found out in tournaments.

Every team plays bilateral against 'lesser bowling'.

How many times have the openers chased 200 for no loss

How many openers have 5 stands of 150+

If it's so easy in bilaterals then why can't others do it...

No one's saying that now Pakistan are favs for WC after this game.

This inngs was a reply to clowns like Aqib Javed and others who were making ridiculous statements.

 

[Shafi]

We urgently need 2-3 decent batter in the middle.

 

[Rana]

Every team plays bilateral against 'lesser bowling'.

How many times have the openers chased 200 for no loss

How many openers have 5 stands of 150+

If it's so easy in bilaterals then why can't others do it...

No one's saying that now Pakistan are favs for WC after this game.

This inngs was a reply to clowns like Aqib Javed and others who were making ridiculous statements.

When Babar/Rizwan do it when it matters

Then you could say that the response has been issued.

Until then, the statement is valid.

 

[Waleed93]

Every team plays bilateral against 'lesser bowling'.

How many times have the openers chased 200 for no loss

How many openers have 5 stands of 150+

If it's so easy in bilaterals then why can't others do it...

No one's saying that now Pakistan are favs for WC after this game.

This inngs was a reply to clowns like Aqib Javed and others who were making ridiculous statements.

[MENTION=145645]Cric1234[/MENTION]'s knowledge about the game is laughable.

He is talking about Babar and Rizwan having created a false perception about being great batsmen in bilaterals, and according to him, they get "found out in ICC tournaments".

Well, Babar has played only one ODI WC in his career, where he broke Miandad's record for the most runs scored in a WC by a Pakistani batsman.

He was the top run scorer in last year's WT20I and played decent knocks in the CT 2017.

A great failure in big tournaments, right.

 

[Ashmal]

When Babar/Rizwan do it when it matters

Then you could say that the response has been issued.

Until then, the statement is valid.

Aqib Javed has been owned and not for the first time.

His claim that teams don't want to dismiss Babar when target is 180+......this ridiculous statement and Aqib's credibility(if any) has been shredded into pieces.

 

[FreePalestine]

Problem with the Babar/Rizzy critics is that, for the most part, they are completely oblivious to the fact that conditions dictate Babar and Rizzy’s level of aggression. If it is a 200+ pitch, then they will bat like it is a 200+ pitch, if it is a 160 pitch, they will bat accordingly. You cannot play big shots on every ground on every other ball. The teams that you admire, like England and co, often play on 200+ pitches, and so can go for broke. But if England play 10 games in the UAE, how many times do you think they would cross 200?

 

[Rana]

Aqib Javed has been owned and not for the first time.

His claim that teams don't want to dismiss Babar when target is 180+......this ridiculous statement and Aqib's credibility(if any) has been shredded into pieces.

No it has not

His statement is based on tournament cricket and not pointless bilateral

The only way the statement will be proven incorrect is next month when Pakistan win the T20 World Cup due to this formula

 

[Rana]

Guys like Aqib Javed are very important to Pakistan cricket,

They provide the unpopular opinion in order to improve the team. Not for personal gain.

This one statement and the criticism suffered by these two as a result has forced them to play outside of their comfort zone.

No longer will their selfish knocks appease the gullible fans. They have to bat with intent for team!

Thank you Aqib Sir for giving this reality check!

 

[Ahmed216]

Guys like Aqib Javed are very important to Pakistan cricket,

They provide the unpopular opinion in order to improve the team. Not for personal gain.

This one statement and the criticism suffered by these two as a result has forced them to play outside of their comfort zone.

No longer will their selfish knocks appease the gullible fans. They have to bat with intent for team!

Thank you Aqib Sir for giving this reality check!

Now you are clutching at straws

 

[Rana]

Now you are clutching at straws

You wish

 

[Waleed93]

Guys like Aqib Javed are very important to Pakistan cricket,

They provide the unpopular opinion in order to improve the team. Not for personal gain.

This one statement and the criticism suffered by these two as a result has forced them to play outside of their comfort zone.

No longer will their selfish knocks appease the gullible fans. They have to bat with intent for team!

Thank you Aqib Sir for giving this reality check!

This is now a whole new level of desperation.

Babar and Rizwan have both done this before yesterday as well. This was their 7th 100+ partnership in T20Is.

They never needed clowns like Aaqib and cheerleaders like you to motivate them.

 

[Rana]

This is now a whole new level of desperation.

Babar and Rizwan have both done this before yesterday as well. This was their 7th 100+ partnership in T20Is.

They never needed clowns like Aaqib and cheerleaders like you to motivate them.

Of course they needed a harsh reality check by honest people such as Aqib.

#ThankYouAqibSir

 

[Rana]

I honestly was very impressed with Babar and Rizwan not giving two hoots and slog sweeping the spinners for those sixes!

This would not have happened if Sir Aqib Javed winner of PSL 2022 did not give them a harsh reality check

 

[Rohan]

Moeen Ali: “Aaqibbhai told us not to take wicket of Babar Azam”

 

[Cric1234]

[MENTION=145645]Cric1234[/MENTION]'s knowledge about the game is laughable.

He is talking about Babar and Rizwan having created a false perception about being great batsmen in bilaterals, and according to him, they get "found out in ICC tournaments".

Well, Babar has played only one ODI WC in his career, where he broke Miandad's record for the most runs scored in a WC by a Pakistani batsman.

He was the top run scorer in last year's WT20I and played decent knocks in the CT 2017.

A great failure in big tournaments, right.

We are talking about T20s here bringing ODIs into it now yeah laughable bringing a different format into it let me know Babars contribution against Australia in the semi final last year and against Sri Lanka at the Asia cup oh wait he made a test century earlier this year we might as well bring tests into it aswell.

 

[asfandyar]

[MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] Eid Mubarak.

 

[Rana]

One of the most inept T20 opening partnership

2 proper bowlers and they are exposed like they were in the Asia cup!

 

[Rana]

Aqib Javed for Pakistan T20 coach

These clowns need a savage like him to put them in their place

 

[Cric1234]

Regardless of how our batsmen do at the World Cup, you are incredibly over-rating prowess of Woakes and Jordan as T20 cricketers

Sam Curran was a first choice for England for the World Cup until he got injured and got replaced. Also, just to update your cricketing ‘knowledge’, Luke Wood is quicker than Woakes and Jordan

We really should have an IQ filter for some posts here. Reading such rubbish is as bad as enduring Khushdil Shah.

What happened a bit of extra bounce from Wood and Topley found out Rizwan and Babar but Willey and Curran are better no doubt bowling medium pace dollies amazing how they are the best bowlers but got outperformed by reserves Wood and Topley we won’t see Jordan or Woakes on this tour.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

No I’m fact, it doesn’t prove YOUR deluded fantasies. Pakistan won because Babar and Rizzy were willing to stick by the courage of their convictions, which is to play more aggressively. There’s no chance that the old Rizwan would have gone for that aggressive shot that Hales spilled, that early in his innings. Rizzy repeatedly used his feet and Babar changed it up by using the crease. That’s breaking from the norm, which most sane minded observers asked for.

So, whilst we’re all thrilled with the magnificent chase, we need to see then showing similar intent when batting first.

So the comedy lies in your hilarious pandering. It’s Not that deep.

The only deluded individual here is you. Either that or you started watching cricket yesterday. Because Babar and Rizwan have had numerous partnerships like this one. In South Africa and England, where pitches were actually conductive to batting and not slow and sluggish like they are in UAE.

But the problem with posters such as yourself is that you only view things in a vacuum. There is no idea or understanding of context, numbers, history. You're just ignorant.