Babar Azam and Mohammad Rizwan innings in winning causes...

[mominsaigol]

And I’m being kind to them, I have ammo about Sachin they haven’t even seen yet!

It’s about picking them off. Every few weeks a new one comes along trying to pass him off as the GOAT. They have the same usual jackpot answers of Richie’s greatest hits etc I haven’t needed to get the ammo out.

Yet…

I'm still genuinely shocked how no one brought these statistics up. I understand that Sachin had to deal with Mcgrath and all, But Australia from 2014-2015 was the 2nd best aussie side after the classic era.

And from 2016-2020 they were pretty good, It's only from 2021 onwards that their guys have been aged and weary and solely need to rely on Travis head and Cummins/hazlewood to do most of the work.

And Miandad played in a more difficult era due to weaker bat equipment and conditons in aus not being well understood in the 60's. As only aus and eng understood said conditons.

These stats are shockingly poor for someone labelled as the God of cricket. Their not bad stats or anything. Their okay, but the No 1 batter of all time shouldn't have such stats.

Mcgrath really owned Sachin ig.

 

[MHN1293]

I'm still genuinely shocked how no one brought these statistics up. I understand that Sachin had to deal with Mcgrath and all, But Australia from 2014-2015 was the 2nd best aussie side after the classic era.

And from 2016-2020 they were pretty good, It's only from 2021 onwards that their guys have been aged and weary and solely need to rely on Travis head and Cummins/hazlewood to do most of the work.

And Miandad played in a more difficult era due to weaker bat equipment and conditons in aus not being well understood in the 60's. As only aus and eng understood said conditons.

These stats are shockingly poor for someone labelled as the God of cricket. Their not bad stats or anything. Their okay, but the No 1 batter of all time shouldn't have such stats.

Mcgrath really owned Sachin ig.

Yes only an average of 22 and a strike rate of 60 against Mcgrath across 12 innings.

 

[shaz619]

Yes only an average of 22 and a strike rate of 60 against Mcgrath across 12 innings.

Abdul Razzaq in his role as an A/R was better in Australia then Sachin & nobody done McGrath dirty like how Razzaq did

 

[Kianig89]

Babar and Rizwan more like Henry & Pires speedy and thunderous

Babar and Rizwan more like Nesta & Maldini Strong and defiant.

Babar and Rizwan more like Xavi & Iniesta Slick and Silky.

@Rana

 

[JaDed]

Asian ODI batsmen in Australia:
Minimum: 350 runs.

View attachment 147607

These are Against Aus or in Aus?

 

[JaDed]

Guess we are back to bilaterals mattering love the pendulum!

 

[W63L35]

These are Against Aus or in Aus?

In Australia.... all opponents.

 

[JaDed]

In Australia.... all opponents.

can we get In asu vs Aus filter?If you could..

 

[W63L35]

These are Against Aus or in Aus?

Asian ODI batsmen vs Australia in Australia:
Minimum: 350 runs.

 

[JaDed]

Asian ODI batsmen vs Australia in Australia:
Minimum: 350 runs.


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Only surprise is Atapattu for me

 

[W63L35]

Asian ODI batsmen vs SENA Teams in SENA Countries:
Minimum Runs: 1500
Stats includes runs vs all 4 teams in all 4 countries...

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Another Sachin myth busted.

Let's see what Sachin fanclub @Hitman @mominsaigol say now.

 

[JaDed]

Another Sachin myth busted.

Let's see what Sachin fanclub @Hitman @mominsaigol say now.

That’s ok bro, since bilaterals are back in fashion we can agree Babar is the best batsman in the world.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

That’s ok bro, since bilaterals are back in fashion we can agree Babar is the best batsman in the world.

Forget Babar you can debate bilateral in his era if you like. There are pros and cons to the arguement.

But why was Sachin so poor in an era when they were very much a big deal in cricket?

 

[Hitman]

Another Sachin myth busted.

Let's see what Sachin fanclub @Hitman @mominsaigol say now.

When I make fun of Miandad averaging less than 30 against the best team of his time, the West Indies, it is in real cricket i.e Test cricket. I don't bring up his averages in 1 particular nation. I don't even care for his numbers in cricket. His comical average of 29 against the West Indies exposes him completely for what he was.​

 

[pakistani pride]

LOL come on guys, Babar ODI record in Aus cant be taken serious. His last 2 innings (not out) means nothing. The matches were already done when he came to the crease. In the 1st game a 70 or 80 score was needed, but as usual he failed. Same for his only 100 in Aus, chasing well over 300 he tuk tukked to a 100 and after reaching 100 he got out, with the rrr sky-high.

Its the classic example of how stats can give you a wrong picture.

 

[JaDed]

Forget Babar you can debate bilateral in his era if you like. There are pros and cons to the arguement.

But why was Sachin so poor in an era when they were very much a big deal in cricket?

Because the overall logic is screwed, just to say- Attapatu is better than Inzi or Dhonis is better than Inzi makes no sense coz of this filter.

Heck Dravid and Ganguly have better stats than actually better Pakistani middle order batsmen batsmen.

The logic should be applied to everyone then.

I wonder how Lara would do in such case too.

 

[JaDed]

Asian ODI batsmen vs SENA Teams in SENA Countries:
Minimum Runs: 1500
Stats includes runs vs all 4 teams in all 4 countries...
View attachment 147612

In this logic Dravid becomes better than Inzi and Miandad as a middle order batsman in ODI. @DeadlyVenom

you will hardly see Indian posters saying that.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Quit tagging me like a parasite. I've no interest in dealing with a juvenile like yourself, that too a disrespectful one. Go, play with those Pakistani nobodies like yourself who believe disrespecting Sachin on PP affects his legacy.

By the way. there is a difference between real cricket and pyjama cricket. Bringing pyjama cricket stats about a player's average in 1 nation .... mind you, not even against 1 particular nation, but in 1 nation

When I make fun of Miandad averaging less than 30 against the best team of his time, the West Indies, it is in real cricket i.e Test cricket. I don't bring up his averages in 1 particular nation. I don't even care for his numbers in pyjama cricket. His comical average of 29 against the West Indies exposes him completely for what he was.​

So when he put on coloured clothing his god ability vanished. Interesting.

Btw I only tagged you once I was just interested in seeing a counter arguement to these very poor stats but it seems that you don't have one which is ok.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

In this logic Dravid becomes better than Inzi and Miandad as a middle order batsman in ODI. @DeadlyVenom

you will hardly see Indian posters saying that.

There is not a huge gap between him and Miandads but massive between him and Inzi.

If you were to say Dravid was a better bat than Inzi in these conditions then we would have to agree without a doubt.

 

[Hitman]

So when he put on coloured clothing his god ability vanished. Interesting.

Btw I only tagged you once I was just interested in seeing a counter arguement to these very poor stats but it seems that you don't have one which is ok.

Who said so? Here are his numbers against Australia in ODI cricket -

Innings - 70; Ave - 44.59; SR - 84.71; 100's - 9


4 centuries at home, 1 in Australia; 4 in neutral venues.

 

[JaDed]

There is not a huge gap between him and Miandads but massive between him and Inzi.

If you were to say Dravid was a better bat than Inzi in these conditions then we would have to agree without a doubt.

Yeah no offense if that’s what you think then definitely Sachin in inferior, also what you mean by these conditions?

Dravid will have better stats in Asia as well.. proves nothing, is Dravid the best ODI player of the era when bilaterals mattered?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Yeah no offense if that’s what you think then definitely Sachin in inferior, also what you mean by these conditions?

Dravid will have better stats in Asia as well.. proves nothing , is Dravid the best ODI player of the era when bilaterals mattered?

"By these conditions" what the stats show Vs SENA in SENA.

If Dravid has better stats in Asia like you say and outside of Asia then we should acknowledge his achievements in ODI cricket for sure.

 

[JaDed]

"By these conditions" what the stats show Vs SENA in SENA.

If Dravid has better stats in Asia like you say and outside of Asia then we should acknowledge his achievements in ODI cricket for sure.

And yet no one across the cricket field will ever recognise Dravid as the best Asian ODI batsman..why do you think that is..

 

[Hitman]

And yet no one across the cricket field will ever recognise Dravid as the best Asian ODI batsman..why do you think that is..

Choro, yaar .... these posters weren't even probably born then.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

And yet no one across the cricket field will ever recognise Dravid as the best Asian ODI batsman..why do you think that is..

That's up to them to present their case as to why he isn't the best. Once they present it we can discuss it.

I have argued recently on PP that we shouldn't just look at SENA stats or away stats in isolation. Overall career record and home record is majorly important too.

However for this discussion based on the stats posted In case of Sachin overall SENA ODi record is really poor. If you were going on a SENA ODI tour would you select Sachin with the data presented to you? If we anonymised the name would you point to him and call him the god of cricket?

 

[JaDed]

That's up to them to present their case as to why he isn't the best. Once they present it we can discuss it.

I have argued recently on PP that we shouldn't just look at SENA stats or away stats in isolation. Overall career record and home record is majorly important too.

However for this discussion based on the stats posted In case of Sachin overall SENA ODi record is really poor. If you were going on a SENA ODI tour would you select Sachin with the data presented to you? If we anonymised the name would you point to him and call him the god of cricket?

Yes I would take Inzi Sachin Jayasuriya all of them with bad SENA stats compared to Attapatu, Dravid

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Yes I would take Inzi Sachin Jayasuriya all of them with bad SENA stats compared to Attapatu, Dravid

I accept your argument on the other thread that Inzi Semi Final knock is better than Dravids ODI career. Dravid low SR is obviously a bad mark too.

But what did Sachin achieve? Why are you defending such poor statistics.

 

[JaDed]

I accept your argument on the other thread that Inzi Semi Final knock is better than Dravids ODI career. Dravid low SR is obviously a bad mark too.

But what did Sachin achieve? Why are you defending such poor statistics.

Sachin was Mos in 2003 wc in SA ,


And second topscorer in CB series 2008 in both the finals of CB series Sachin scored a ton and then 91 to seal the deal for India.

That’s why , it was tough finals both of them with scores below 260.

 

[JaDed]

It’s hard for me to forget what Sachin did in 2003 Wc (ofcourse except the finals) and then CB series in 2008 both finals literally carried the batting.

And that’s why he was what Dravid wasn’t.

 

[shamaan]

152-0

 

[emranabbas]

Asif Alis innings were indeed very crucial for us reaching the semis. So were Babar Rizwans and Maliks innings in those games albeit to a lesser extent. So was Raufs and Shaheens bowling. Pinning the entire success in the tournament on one or two players is very wrong. The whole team was clicking at the right time

Against Afghanistan, I have to say sorry, but I can’t rate 51 off 47 balls in the first powerplay. Also, I just don’t see Babar or Rizwan hitting four sixes in seven balls, or any other player in the squad for that matter. While I agree that it was a team effort, Babar and Rizwan contributed very little. Without those four sixes from Asif Ali, I don't think Pakistan would have made it to the semi-finals.

And in the game against New Zealand, Babar’s contribution was 9 off 11 balls and Rizwan’s was 33 off 34 balls. Once again, we needed 44 runs in the last 4 overs. It was Asif Ali who won us that game, scoring 27 off 12 balls, with Malik contributing 26 off 20 balls.

So, I’m not sure why the person I was replying to keeps boasting about how Rizwan and Babar took us to the semi-finals. Without Asif Ali’s contributions, we would have lost both games. and no semi final

 

[Kianig89]

Amazing the thread is about Babar & Rizwan, but somehow the debate shifts to Sachin and Dravid surely this has no context

 

[BouncerGuy]

Please stay on topic. Thread is not about SACHIN ETC

 

[TheSultan]

I’m all for a bit of unity right now. So Babar and Rizwan, go on I’m right behind you to finally give us some matchwinning performances.

Prove that 152-0 was no fluke.

 

[mominsaigol]

I’m all for a bit of unity right now. So Babar and Rizwan, go on I’m right behind you to finally give us some matchwinning performances.

Prove that 152-0 was no fluke.

They'll probs win some low scoring t20 games. T20 is a format where you can get away with alot of things. Bowlers are frequently getting wickets in half volleys in t20 and many batters who are considered as t20 goats, end up becoming odi/test frauds and pure hacks.

It's in odi and test where rizwan gets exposed.

In test Babar gets exposed because he simply does not have the fitness to stay out their long and nor does he have the technique to tackle spin as in test you understandably face more spin then fast.

In odi Babar doesn't get exposed as he has the technique to accumulate runs against pace and block out the middle overs against spin but his mediocrity is 100% on display in odi's.

T20 is the format where Rizzu fooled the world and had many fans like major or caved hype him as if he's the 2nd coming of gilchrist lol.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

This t2o series againt Australia will actualy define their legacy

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Whenever Babar Azam has not batted with Rizwan in T20s in recent times:

- 41 off 28 in Australia, SR 146
- 57 off 35 in New Zealand, SR 163
- 63 off 46 in New Zealand, SR 153
- 58 off 37 in New Zealand, SR 157
- 75 off 42 in Ireland, SR 179
- 57 off 43 in Ireland, SR 133
- 69 off 44 vs New Zealand in PAK, SR 16

 

[Vikram1989]

I will like to see the stats included with impact logical comparison among riz and babar.will like to see who is the actual culprit with stat padding and the torch bearer for pak cricket ?Are they both same side of the coin ? Are they both evil stat padders?Has one player been deemed evil by another one's stat padded approach ?

@RizwanT20Champ @Rana

 

[Vikram1989]

I will like to see pak fans analysis .

As far as I know , both have not contributed more than single digit winning performances against big team with their first choice eleven

 

[Rana]

I will give a more detailed answer later,

For now, Babar is the OG criminal statpadder. He was originally playing this coward role of scoring his own runs when guys like Hafeez and Malik were doing the tough work in the middle overs. They let him off at the time as he was young, and they were happy to show off his pretty little average and hundreds against West Indies and Sri Lanka.

Rizwan is another level of deception. Tauba Tauba. La haula wa La kuwatta….please don’t get me started on this now!

 

[Devadwal]

Both are match winners for pakistan but its time for them to leave the T20 cricket for youngsters .

 

[Vikram1989]

I will give a more detailed answer later,

For now, Babar is the OG criminal statpadder. Tauba. La haula wa La kuwatta….please don’t get me started on this now!

I thought riz extended the process to extreme which babar started.Both are happy to let the team die for their selfish behaviour. Ramiz was foolish enough to let it happen .

 

[BouncerGuy]

Whenever Babar Azam has not batted with Rizwan in T20s in recent times:

- 41 off 28 in Australia, SR 146
- 57 off 35 in New Zealand, SR 163
- 63 off 46 in New Zealand, SR 153
- 58 off 37 in New Zealand, SR 157
- 75 off 42 in Ireland, SR 179
- 57 off 43 in Ireland, SR 133
- 69 off 44 vs New Zealand in PAK, SR 16

This tells another story. I think babar has extra pressure on him when Riz is batting since last few years. Riz for me is a bigger statpadder when it comes to T20 cricket. Babar is ahead of rizwan in ODI so no comparisons there.

 

[Farabi]

I will like to see the stats included with impact logical comparison among riz and babar.will like to see who is the actual culprit with stat padding and the torch bearer for pak cricket ?Are they both same side of the coin ? Are they both evil stat padders?Has one player been deemed evil by another one's stat padded approach ?

@RizwanT20Champ @Rana

First, let’s have a reality check.

Pakistan used to be the team that turned average bowlers into stars every time they toured in white-ball cricket. Think of names like Roger Telemachus, Andre Nel, and Kyle Abbott, who looked like world beaters when Pakistan toured over the years due to Pakistan’s batting fragility. The fact that bowlers like Mapakha and Baartman didn’t achieve the same against us is actually a testament to the improvement in Pakistan’s batting standards.

Before Babar Azam’s rise in ODIs, there was a constant lament that Pakistan lacked batters who could consistently scored centuries like Inzamam or Yousuf in their prime. While Babar may not be a one-size-fits-all solution, he is undeniably a cornerstone of the batting lineup that had trouble lasting 50 overs.

When it comes to Rizwan, I haven’t seen a better keeper-batter combination in Pakistan’s history, especially in the Test format.

In short, both are exceptional cricketers. Rizwan stands out as a great keeper, while Babar is undoubtedly the superior batter.

Unfortunately, the management is tarnishing their reputations and legacies by shoehorning them into T20Is, a format that has evolved beyond what either Rizwan or Babar currently offers. Hopefully, this issue will be addressed soon.

 

[Vikram1989]

When it comes to Rizwan, I haven’t seen a better keeper-batter combination in Pakistan’s history, especially in the Test format.

In short, both are exceptional cricketers. Rizwan stands out as a great keeper, while Babar is undoubtedly the superior batter.

Unfortunately, the management is tarnishing their reputations and legacies by shoehorning them into T20Is, a format that has evolved beyond what either Rizwan or Babar currently offers. Hopefully, this issue will be addressed soon.

Leaving out test matches where not much to say about both.In white ball.formats both have done long term negative impact on the psyche of the younger generation. They showed any one can drown pak and statpad happily to positive effect for fame and money.Manjrekar praised imran for putting team first and rewarding players with that attitude . Indians used to be exact viceversa.Now in pak, every player for your self at the cost of team.

 

[mominsaigol]

My only issue is people pretending that rizwan and babar are world class.

When it comes to Babar i only hare him for t20, however in odi the criticism is unfair. Their some people who foolishly believe he's the greatest pakistani batsmen of all time when in reality he's just a will young level batsmen but he is a good batter nonetheless.

He's lost form, but at the end of the day I don't mind having him in an odi team.

Rizwan on the other hand, the problem is that while he is the best wk batter for pakistan he's still a very ugly and medicore batsmen.

Other wk batters did not treat themselves as opening or no 4 batters which is why rizwan has to be compared to kamran ghulam, Saud shakeel or his past contemporaries like hafeez or Haris sohail.

Sarfi was makeshift so was Kami, the rest were no 6 and no 7.

I have no issues with a wicket keeper batsmen replacing a proper middle order or opening batsmen but they need to be extraordinary.

For example gilly opened cause he was a next level gun for Australia. However mattew wade, Carey, Inglis deapite being decent batters in their own right can never be openers or replace aussie middle order batters cause their not good enough and Australia knows this and so do they which is why they don't complain.

 

[Major]

They will keep on ignoring his achievements until he losses a one of series and than harp on about that saying i told you so, while ignoring the 5 other series the guy would have won...

That is the blind hater mentality...

 

[Farabi]

Leaving out test matches where not much to say about both.In white ball.formats both have done long term negative impact on the psyche of the younger generation. They showed any one can drown pak and statpad happily to positive effect for fame and money.Manjrekar praised imran for putting team first and rewarding players with that attitude . Indians used to be exact viceversa.Now in pak, every player for your self at the cost of team.

That might be your opinion, but in ODIs and Test cricket, both Rizwan and Babar have had strong careers. It’s absurd to dismiss the value of a Test wicketkeeper-batter with super save hands and an average of 43—those are impressive numbers by any standard.

As for ODIs, Babar Azam has now completed his fourth consecutive year as the No. 1 batter. Going through a bit of a slump but he’s piled on the runs everywhere in the world against all oppositions. No matter how you look at it, 50-over cricket rewards consistent batters, and any batter who can consistently accumulate runs is an invaluable asset to the team.

 

[Vikram1989]

They will keep on ignoring his achievements until he losses a one of series and than harp on about that saying i told you so, while ignoring the 5 other series the guy would have won...

That is the blind hater mentality...

How it is blind hater mentality bro.as far as i know they are good supporting players nothing more than that.they are not best batters who can win the matches on their own .they did nothing like Lara 159 in tests and Anwar 194 to win the match single handedly. They are like dravid in odis .Always they need another dominant partner to win the match.Am.fine with any stats if it proves me wrong

 

[Major]

How it is blind hater mentality bro.as far as i know they are good supporting players nothing more than that.they are not best batters who can win the matches on their own .they did nothing like Lara 159 in tests and Anwar 194 to win the match single handedly. They are like dravid in odis .Always they need another dominant partner to win the match.Am.fine with any stats if it proves me wrong

in the last 20 years which dominating player had we had?

Pakistan never had a batter in odi avg in 50s. Infact, Pakistan never had an opener or a proper 1 down batsman that can last the first 20 overs.

Cricket is a team sport, offcourse everyone is going to support each other. The concept of dominating batsman only exists when you start playing on flat tracks and easily score 100s...

Pakistan hasnt won against Aus and SA, these two batters are the best batters produced by the country in odi cricket, but for some odd reason, people that do not like them start to create stupid standards just like you have regarding dominating batters in a team sport.

The fact that Rizwan as captain won 2 back to back series against the tough sides, and a few people instead of praising are nitpicking for excuses is an example of blind hate.

Go back 15 years and watch how even winning a single game of a series against South Africa and Australia used to be a big achievement.

 

[Rana]

Go back 15 years and watch how even winning a single game of a series against South Africa and Australia used to be a big achievement.

Indeed, 15 years ago these sides cared about international bilateral cricket. Now only Pakistan cares. They have no other choice.

 

[Vikram1989]

in the last 20 years which dominating player had we had?

Pakistan never had a batter in odi avg in 50s. Infact, Pakistan never had an opener or a proper 1 down batsman that can last the first 20 overs.

Cricket is a team sport, offcourse everyone is going to support each other. The concept of dominating batsman only exists when you start playing on flat tracks and easily score 100s...

Pakistan hasnt won against Aus and SA, these two batters are the best batters produced by the country in odi cricket, but for some odd reason, people that do not like them start to create stupid standards just like you have regarding dominating batters in a team sport.

The fact that Rizwan as captain won 2 back to back series against the tough sides, and a few people instead of praising are nitpicking for excuses is an example of blind hate.

Go back 15 years and watch how even winning a single game of a series against South Africa and Australia used to be a big achievement.

When we are comparing their stats and impact, why does team result's matter? There are multiple reasons for both series victories such as Saim 2 centuries, for a change rauf was very good , shaheen was at 140s .am asking what they do instead of stat padding when there is not much support especially in lost causes/scenarios.

 

[mominsaigol]

in the last 20 years which dominating player had we had?

Pakistan never had a batter in odi avg in 50s. Infact, Pakistan never had an opener or a proper 1 down batsman that can last the first 20 overs.

Cricket is a team sport, offcourse everyone is going to support each other. The concept of dominating batsman only exists when you start playing on flat tracks and easily score 100s...

Pakistan hasnt won against Aus and SA, these two batters are the best batters produced by the country in odi cricket, but for some odd reason, people that do not like them start to create stupid standards just like you have regarding dominating batters in a team sport.

The fact that Rizwan as captain won 2 back to back series against the tough sides, and a few people instead of praising are nitpicking for excuses is an example of blind hate.

Go back 15 years and watch how even winning a single game of a series against South Africa and Australia used to be a big achievement.

these two batters are the best batters produced by the country in odi cricket,

Infact, Pakistan never had an opener or a proper 1 down batsman that can last the first 20 overs.


Worst take i have ever seen. Huge insult to inzi, Saeed, yousaf, Ijaz and dozens of others who have worn the green crest.

 

[Major]

When we are comparing their stats and impact, why does team result's matter? There are multiple reasons for both series victories such as Saim 2 centuries, for a change rauf was very good , shaheen was at 140s .am asking what they do instead of stat padding when there is not much support especially in lost causes/scenarios.

Oh bhai saim is part of the same team that is being captain by rizwan right?

Babar crossing 50 is good enough for me, everyone needs to contribute.

Saim may have gotten 2 hundreds, but he will not score in every match, and its same for all the players

 

[Rana]

these two batters are the best batters produced by the country in odi cricket,

What???

How?????

Rizwan is better than Yousuf, Inzimam, Anwar, Miandad????

Where did you come up with this?

I don’t understand why there isn’t more outrage at this comment by genuine Pakistan cricket fans! Your history and legacy is being hijacked by these absurd comments!

 

[mominsaigol]

What???

How?????

Rizwan is better than Yousuf, Inzimam, Anwar, Miandad????

Where did you come up with this?

I don’t understand why there isn’t more outrage at this comment by genuine Pakistan cricket fans! Your history and legacy is being hijacked by these absurd comments!

I tore him apart for this but it's a huge shame that my comment got edited and I wasn't able to say most of what I wanted to say.

Only Major can claim that a barely 40 avg odi batter batting in Cricket's most friendliest batting era with only 3 odi centuries is the greatest odi batsmen pakistan has ever produced.

His logic is beyond awful as well when it comes to 50avg.

Before the 2012 2 new ball rule was implemented not a single soul avg 50+ in odi.

Sachin, Pointing, Lara couldn't do it and these 3 are better odi batters then anyone in this era including Travis head who's no 1 atm

 

[Rana]

I tore him apart for this but it's a huge shame that my comment got edited and I wasn't able to say most of what I wanted to say.

Only Major can claim that a barely 40 avg odi batter batting in Cricket's most friendliest batting era with only 3 odi centuries is the greatest odi batsmen pakistan has ever produced.

His logic is beyond stupid as well when it comes to 50avg.

Before the 2012 2 new ball rule was implemented not a single soul avg 50+ in odi.

Sachin, Pointing, Lara couldn't do it and these 3 are better odi batters then anyone in this era including Travis head who's no 1 atm

So what’s he trying to argue? Rizwan would average 45-50 in Inzimam, Lara and Tendulkar’s era?

 

[Major]

Indeed, 15 years ago these sides cared about international bilateral cricket. Now only Pakistan cares. They have no other choice.

i love it they way you juggle with caring and not caring about international series. The moment Rizwan losses a series you start to care, and the moment he wins, you stop caring.

 

[Rana]

i love it they way you juggle with caring and not caring about international series. The moment Rizwan losses a series you start to care, and the moment he wins, you stop caring

What are you blabbering on about? You honestly think teams besides Pakistan are giving as much importance to Bilaterals now as they were 15 years ago?

 

[Kianig89]

Rizwan and Babar are one of the most successful pairs for Pakistan and also in international cricket, the RizBar effect reminds us of

Sangakarra-Jayawardena

Ganguly-Dravid

Ponting-Hussey

Kallis-Amla
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Despite the severe criticism Rizwan in particular as captain has destroyed his critics and dumped them in Katchra Kundi

 

[Major]

Rizwan and Babar are one of the most successful pairs for Pakistan and also in international cricket, the RizBar effect reminds us of

Sangakarra-Jayawardena

Ganguly-Dravid

Ponting-Hussey

Kallis-Amla
-----------------
Despite the severe criticism Rizwan in particular as captain has destroyed his critics and dumped them in Katchra Kundi

oh man i remember the ponting-hussey era, what a partnership that used to be

 

[mominsaigol]

Rizwan and Babar are one of the most successful pairs for Pakistan and also in international cricket, the RizBar effect reminds us of

Sangakarra-Jayawardena

Ganguly-Dravid

Ponting-Hussey

Kallis-Amla
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Despite the severe criticism Rizwan in particular as captain has destroyed his critics and dumped them in Katchra Kundi

oh man i remember the ponting-hussey era, what a partnership that used to be

Rizwan and babar are pointing and hussey level partners?

 

[Major]

Rizwan and babar are pointing and hussey level partners?

Nobody's claiming Rizwan and Babar are Ponting and Hussey, just drawing a comparison to highlight their success as a pair.

 

[gazza619]

Nobody's claiming Rizwan and Babar are Ponting and Hussey, just drawing a comparison to highlight their success as a pair.

Their insecurity with white aussie skin is surreal.

 

[hafizexpress]

What???

How?????

Rizwan is better than Yousuf, Inzimam, Anwar, Miandad????

Where did you come up with this?

I don’t understand why there isn’t more outrage at this comment by genuine Pakistan cricket fans! Your history and legacy is being hijacked by these absurd comments!

I mean, I've seen him rate Misbah over Inzimam repeatedly. With some people, it's not worth being outraged because you just have to feel bad for their thinking and let it go