Babar Azam equals the record for being the fastest (21 innings) to 1000 ODI runs [update #81]

[MenInG]

Will be a magnificent achievement if he does it. Seems destined for bigger things but needs to keep his feet on the ground

 

[Saj]

Needs 59 more runs to achieve this.

 

[tanveer din]

Not possible

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Winning is obviously the main goal here but hopefufully Babar breaks the record in the process

 

[waleed88]

So much for the record Babar Kohli was after

 

[angrypathan]

Misses out, needs 47 in his next innings to equal the record

 

[Pakpak]

So much for the record Babar Kohli was after

Why the constant demeaning for our own players? And someone like him who's obviously talented? Who called him Kohli here?

 

[waleed88]

Why the constant demeaning for our own players? And someone like him who's obviously talented? Who called him Kohli here?

Mickey Arthur did.. tongue in cheek bro

 

[Abdullah719]

Mickey Arthur did.. tongue in cheek bro

"I’ll go so far as to say, at the same age, Babar’s as good as Virat Kohli" : Mickey Arthur - See more at: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?253324

Best to stick to the exact quote.

 

[waleed88]

"I’ll go so far as to say, at the same age, Babar’s as good as Virat Kohli" : Mickey Arthur - See more at: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?253324

Best to stick to the exact quote.

Yes isn't that a comparison to Kohli?

 

[waleed88]

Babar Azam isn't the first to be compared to Kohli, not to mention these two play in the same spot

Umar Akmal and Shehzad have been too..

 

[MenInG]

Babar Azam isn't the first to be compared to Kohli, not to mention these two play in the same spot

Umar Akmal and Shehzad have been too..

Shehzad has compared himself to Kohli; Babar hasnt

 

[waleed88]

Shehzad has compared himself to Kohli; Babar hasnt

Actually Ricky Ponting said about Shehzad "He looks like Kohli, and he plays like Virat Kohli'

 

[marlonbrowndo]

So much for the record Babar Kohli was after

Keep bashing our best players. You have a very strange disorder

 

[waleed88]

Keep bashing our best players. You have a very strange disorder

He wasn't the best today, probably 3rd best..

Amir wasn't the best either, second best to both Junaid and Imad

 

[Syed1]

So much for the record Babar Kohli was after

Sir what is with you and bashing EACH AND EVERYONE of our cricketers

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Sir what is with you and bashing EACH AND EVERYONE of our cricketers

He only bashes the good ones

 

[Pakpak]

Sir what is with you and bashing EACH AND EVERYONE of our cricketers

He only bashes the good ones

The guy has a strange fixation with Amir and now Babar it seems. Considering where our cricket is in terms of talent you'd think fans like him would appreciate any sort of reasonable talent that is left in our team.

 

[Justcrazy]

He has chance to tie with that record. He needs to convert his starts. Too much thirties in his career so far.

 

[asfandyar]

He wasn't the best today, probably 3rd best..

Amir wasn't the best either, second best to both Junaid and Imad

Sir jee, I am a Babar-basher in tests too, but in ODIs, he is hands down our best batsman. Do you really hold that opinion, or is it just a gimmick that you learnt during your MBBS days?

 

[waleed88]

The guy has a strange fixation with Amir and now Babar it seems. Considering where our cricket is in terms of talent you'd think fans like him would appreciate any sort of reasonable talent that is left in our team.

I don't appreciate talent, not when it's given a free run in the side without accountability

 

[waleed88]

Sir jee, I am a Babar-basher in tests too, but in ODIs, he is hands down our best batsman. Do you really hold that opinion, or is it just a gimmick that you learnt during your MBBS days?

He's been good in ODIs but only against WI, he failed in England ODIs, played well in NZ ODIs but this was 1 year ago, hasn't done anything worth noting against Australia uptil now, he's given a free run for no reason, needs to be benched

 

[Statsman]

Actually Ricky Ponting said about Shehzad "He looks like Kohli, and he plays like Virat Kohli'

Punter must have but Shehzad compared himself to Kohli, Root and KW.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Pity he didn't achieve it,can still equal the record in the next match.
Needs 47 more runs

 

[marlonbrowndo]

He's been good in ODIs but only against WI, he failed in England ODIs, played well in NZ ODIs but this was 1 year ago, hasn't done anything worth noting against Australia uptil now, he's given a free run for no reason, needs to be benched

Hilarious posts. What about his partnership with hafeez today? He played alright in the 1st ODI too. Let's bench our best batsman who is 22 years old

 

[Arham_PakFan]

He's been good in ODIs but only against WI, he failed in England ODIs, played well in NZ ODIs but this was 1 year ago, hasn't done anything worth noting against Australia uptil now, he's given a free run for no reason, needs to be benched

The West Indies matches were 2 ODI's ago.Anyways,who would you replace him with?

 

[Abdullah719]

He's been good in ODIs but only against WI, he failed in England ODIs, played well in NZ ODIs but this was 1 year ago, hasn't done anything worth noting against Australia uptil now, he's given a free run for no reason, needs to be benched

The guy has played 20 ODIs and you expect him to have won matches against every top cricketing nation. You have high expectations - I guess one of our many Viv Richards in waiting can replace him.

 

[waleed88]

Hilarious posts. What about his partnership with hafeez today? He played alright in the 1st ODI too. Let's bench our best batsman who is 22 years old

He's riding high on his 3 100's against the WI... otherwise he should've been dropped from the Test side a long time ago, and if Azhar Ali comes back he should make way for him, no need to give a player a chance who likes to give opposition batsmen slip catching practice

 

[waleed88]

The guy has played 20 ODIs and you expect him to have won matches against every top cricketing nation. You have high expectations - I guess one of our many Viv Richards in waiting can replace him.

Azhar Ali should replace him as 1 down

 

[Abdullah719]

Azhar Ali should replace him as 1 down

Never mind, I'm wasting my time.

 

[Statsman]

He's riding high on his 3 100's against the WI... otherwise he should've been dropped from the Test side a long time ago, and if Azhar Ali comes back he should make way for him, no need to give a player a chance who likes to give opposition batsmen slip catching practice

You're mixing two formats buddy. Babbar is a solid ODI prospect. Even better than Azhar Ali.

 

[waleed88]

Never mind, I'm wasting my time.

No you're not, Mickey has a rotation policy, he rotates underperforming players who take their position as a certainity, who relax and take it easy, he might be overperforming to you, but scoring the bulk of your 1000 runs against a minnow bowling attack in 3 matches doesn't make you a great Abdullah bhai..

His rotation policy should apply to all no-shows.. this favoritisim is not on..

 

[waleed88]

You're mixing two formats buddy. Babbar is a solid ODI prospect. Even better than Azhar Ali.

If you remove the 3 100's he scored against the Windies, he scored 593 runs at an average of 34.88

Not too exquisite for someone who wants to break Viv's record

 

[waleed88]

He's just okay in my opinion.. hasn't done anything of note in challenging conditions

 

[kingusama92]

If you remove the 3 100's he scored against the Windies, he scored 593 runs at an average of 34.88

Not too exquisite for someone who wants to break Viv's record

That's actually a fantastic record for a rookie.

 

[waleed88]

That's actually a fantastic record for a rookie.

That's just ok man, thats just his level

Umar Akmal also started off in similar fashion, nothing can be made of starts like these.. look how Junior is as a batsman now

 

[Statsman]

That's just ok man, thats just his level

Umar Akmal also started off in similar fashion, nothing can be made of starts like these.. look how Junior is as a batsman now

So nothing can me made of these starts, yet you're basing your judgement on the same?

And if we don't judge on the start to the international career, what do we judge on?

 

[waleed88]

So nothing can me made of these starts, yet you're basing your judgement on the same?

And if we don't judge on the start to the international career, what do we judge on?

I'm waiting for Babar to deliver on the big stage, against the big teams... failiure against England in supporting conditions for batsmen (ODIs) left a big question mark hanging on him..
He had a very good chance to atleast reach a 50 in this game, no runs pressure, no pressure of wickets falling, he didn't need to play at a very fast rate (4 an over), and he was patient in his knock too (strike rate of 60), but the get out shots in both innings have been shocking..

If he keeps failing in these situations than he needs a wake up call..

 

[Pakpak]

I don't appreciate talent, not when it's given a free run in the side without accountability

He's been good in ODIs but only against WI, he failed in England ODIs, played well in NZ ODIs but this was 1 year ago, hasn't done anything worth noting against Australia uptil now, he's given a free run for no reason, needs to be benched

A guy who's missed the quickest to 1000 runs by a whisker after only 20 games and after 3 centuries in the last 5 ODIs needs to be benched?

 

[waleed88]

A guy who's missed the quickest to 1000 runs by a whisker after only 20 games and after 3 centuries in the last 5 ODIs needs to be benched?

Not the first person in the world to miss that.. won't be the last

 

[Pete Rose]

hasnt looked very fluent so far. but still more assured than in the tests. hoping for a big partnership between him and sharjeel at some stage in this series.

 

[the Great Khan]

stick with him..but he needs a big innings soon..otherwise another malik is in the making!!

 

[Justcrazy]

He can still tie with that record.

The important thing would be how quickly he gets to two thousand to ten thousand milestones

 

[waleed88]

We've had bigger gems than Babar before, but look where are they now..

Junior Akmal - swash backling stroke maker scoring a debut Test 100 and ODI 100 against NZ..

Nasir Jamshed - 3 consecutive 100's against India in ODIs ( that was bigger than Azam's feat which was against the WI)

Salman Butt (6 of 7 ODI 100's were against India), including a 100 on debut vs India in Eden Gardens

 

[waleed88]

Each had the same problem, all were given the same 'chosen one' treatment this guy is getting

 

[jeetu]

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[tr][td]KP Pietersen (ENG/ICC) [/td][td]1y 123d [/td][td]27 [/td][td]21 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]IJL Trott (ENG) [/td][td]1y 187d [/td][td]21 [/td][td]21 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Q de Kock (SA) [/td][td]1y 212d [/td][td]21 [/td][td]21 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]CG Greenidge (WI) [/td][td]4y 352d [/td][td]23 [/td][td]23 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RN ten Doeschate (Neth) [/td][td]3y 59d [/td][td]24 [/td][td]23 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Azhar Ali (PAK) [/td][td]4y 50d [/td][td]23 [/td][td]23 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GM Turner (NZ) [/td][td]9y 354d [/td][td]25 [/td][td]24 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Yasir Hameed (PAK) [/td][td]0y 242d [/td][td]24 [/td][td]24 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]HM Amla (SA) [/td][td]2y 74d [/td][td]25 [/td][td]24 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]V Kohli (INDIA) [/td][td]1y 291d [/td][td]27 [/td][td]24 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]S Dhawan (INDIA) [/td][td]3y 10d [/td][td]24 [/td][td]24 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AH Jones (NZ) [/td][td]1y 145d [/td][td]25 [/td][td]25 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]NS Sidhu (INDIA) [/td][td]2y 13d [/td][td]27 [/td][td]25 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MA Atherton (ENG) [/td][td]4y 314d [/td][td]25 [/td][td]25 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Nasir Jamshed (PAK) [/td][td]5y 55d [/td][td]25 [/td][td]25 [/td][/tr]
[/table]

 

[Pollack]

Babar azam is a quality batsman. I don't praise many so yeah..

 

[jeetu]

Babar Azam
20 matches , 20 Inn , 953 runs , Avg 50.15 , SR 91.45

 

[Pakpak]

Not the first person in the world to miss that.. won't be the last

In the last 5 ODIs his scores:

3 centuries and 34 and 33

which aren't terrible, heck not even mediocre, never mind justifying dropping him. If he deserves the axe then all our team should be booted out.

 

[Rotoman]

I actually think there is some truth to what waleed is saying. Batsmen perform better if they think their place is under scrutiny. If they think their place is secure regardless of what they do on the pitch, they can get complacent. Though I don't condone dropping him, maybe a quiet word in private by the coach or something would help.

 

[waleed88]

Babar Azam
20 matches , 20 Inn , 953 runs , Avg 50.15 , SR 91.45

Extreme inflation of average thanks to his 3 100's against the WI.. his real average is 34.88 in 17 matches scoring 593 runs if you minus those knocks

Hafeez also scored 3 100's against Srilanka in the UAE in 1 series, he equalled Zaheer Abbas's record with that

that doesn't mean Hafeez is an outstanding player, or that he is the next Zaheer Abbas

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Extreme inflation of average thanks to his 3 100's against the WI.. his real average is 34.88 in 17 matches scoring 593 runs if you minus those knocks

Hafeez also scored 3 100's against Srilanka in the UAE in 1 series, he equalled Zaheer Abbas's record with that

that doesn't mean Hafeez is an outstanding player, or that he is an equal of Zaheer Abbas

By that logic we should remove the stats of every player for the series they performed the best in.

 

[waleed88]

By that logic we should remove the stats of every player for the series they performed the best in.

No I'm just saying he needs to perform against the big teams.. he hasn't

 

[Arham_PakFan]

No I'm just saying he needs to perform against the big teams.. he hasn't

The West Indies series was his last before this one.Maybe it was his breakthrough series?

 

[waleed88]

The West Indies series was his last before this one.Maybe it was his breakthrough series?

He failed in England, a top score of 30 something.. having played Test matches there with the A team, he should've done better.. he played 5 matches but did nothing of note

 

[Arham_PakFan]

He failed in England, a top score of 30 something.. having played Test matches there with the A team, he should've done better.. he played 5 matches but did nothing of note

You're missing my point bro.He failed in the England series,yes,but maybe the West Indies series was the one where he established himself as an international class batsman.

 

[waleed88]

You're missing my point bro.He failed in the England series,yes,but maybe the West Indies series was the one where he established himself as an international class batsman.

Maybe..

 

[Black Zero]

If he does that at WA CA, then full credit to him.

On a side note, if you score 1000 in 22 innings, you likely have failed in few innings.
If you score 100 in every match, then you need max 10 matches.

So no point in pointing out that he failed few times.

 

[Abdullah]

He failed in England, a top score of 30 something.. having played Test matches there with the A team, he should've done better.. he played 5 matches but did nothing of note

go back and check what the english commies were saying about him. that was before the 3 100s against windies.
sometimes look past the stats.
he is easily the best player in terms of picking up length/strokeplay. yesterday he absolutely did the right thing by just seeing of hazelwoods spell

 

[Abdullah719]

Extreme inflation of average thanks to his 3 100's against the WI.. his real average is 34.88 in 17 matches scoring 593 runs if you minus those knocks

Hafeez also scored 3 100's against Srilanka in the UAE in 1 series, he equalled Zaheer Abbas's record with that

that doesn't mean Hafeez is an outstanding player, or that he is the next Zaheer Abbas

This is exactly how NOT to develop a batsman.

Kohli after 20 matches had a hundred against SL and Bangladesh, should he have been dropped?

Heck, Sachin took 79(!) matches to hit an ODI hundred!

And here you want to drop Babar because he isn't hitting hundreds against every team twenty matches into his career...

This is one of the reasons why we don't develop batsmen well. Fans get impatient after one series.

If he fails in another couple of series, you might have a point. But that still won't make him a failure as you're trying to portray him.

 

[waleed88]

This is exactly how NOT to develop a batsman.

Kohli after 20 matches had a hundred against SL and Bangladesh, should he have been dropped?

Heck, Sachin took 79(!) matches to hit an ODI hundred!

And here you want to drop Babar because he isn't hitting hundreds against every team twenty matches into his career...

This is one of the reasons why we don't develop batsmen well. Fans get impatient after one series.

If he fails in another couple of series, you might have a point. But that still won't make him a failure as you're trying to portray him.

He's a flat track bully.. can't do it when it matters,

I made some comparisons with Nasir Jamshed, atleast Jamshed had 3 100's vs India and he hit a 98 vs Australia before this.. he had some credibility to his scores..

Babar since his knocks against NZ in ODIs ages ago has not done anything of note

When you are not found out by the opposition, you manage to score a few runs, but when you are worked out and the opposition has a plan against you, only then the good ones differentiate from the others

 

[waleed88]

go back and check what the english commies were saying about him. that was before the 3 100s against windies.
sometimes look past the stats.
he is easily the best player in terms of picking up length/strokeplay. yesterday he absolutely did the right thing by just seeing of hazelwoods spell

English commies were saying he is a great talent, but hasn't really performed this series

 

[marlonbrowndo]

He's a flat track bully.. can't do it when it matters,

I made some comparisons with Nasir Jamshed, atleast Jamshed had 3 100's vs India and he hit a 98 vs Australia before this.. he had some credibility to his scores..

Babar since his knocks against NZ in ODIs ages ago has not done anything of note

When you are not found out by the opposition, you manage to score a few runs, but when you are worked out and the opposition has a plan against you, only then the good ones differentiate from the others

Arguing with this guy is a real waste of time [MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION] you should know better. Your arguments are just laughable and your posts reek of bias and a lack of basic understanding of the game.

 

[waleed88]

Even Shehzad managed to scored a century against SA in their home ground, but how has he fared since then.. he was worked out by the opposition and he failed to perform after that..

 

[Abdullah719]

He's a flat track bully.. can't do it when it matters,

Just made a 90* on the last tour on a spicy NZ pitch where all our other batsmen couldn't do jack.

 

[Abdullah719]

Even Shehzad managed to scored a century against SA in their home ground, but how has he fared since then.. he was worked out by the opposition and he failed to perform after that..

Shehzad has played 130 matches for Pakistan.

 

[waleed88]

Babar has been given the rub of the green because of the preconceived notion that he is more talented than the rest.. while his stats are pretty mediocre if you remove the 3 100's against WI.. this minnow basher needs to up his game, he's been a failiure in Test Matches, and has failed against the top teams in ODIs (uptil now) but cruises along with no question marks on his performances whatsoever

 

[Abdullah719]

Arguing with this guy is a real waste of time [MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION] you should know better. Your arguments are just laughable and your posts reek of bias and a lack of basic understanding of the game.

I am trying to understand his point of view because he comes across as someone who genuinely believes what he posts.

 

[waleed88]

Shehzad has played 130 matches for Pakistan.

Yes but you must not forget the hype that surrounded Ahmed Shehzad at one point..

Razzaq called him more talented than Tendulkar.. we have a reputation of pinning our hopes on 'one guy' who gets more preferential treatment than others

 

[Hasan123]

Babar Azam shouldn't be dropped. Lol Pakistan fans are clueless when it comes to developing batsmen. Thankfully we have a professional coach in charge, who will give him the best possible chance to succeed and will back him.

 

[FlickedOffHips]

He's a flat track bully.. can't do it when it matters,

I made some comparisons with Nasir Jamshed, atleast Jamshed had 3 100's vs India and he hit a 98 vs Australia before this.. he had some credibility to his scores..

Babar since his knocks against NZ in ODIs ages ago has not done anything of note

When you are not found out by the opposition, you manage to score a few runs, but when you are worked out and the opposition has a plan against you, only then the good ones differentiate from the others

Even so, you need a FTB as there are many flat tracks around the world. What will happen when Hafeez edges a straight one to slips, Sharjeel miscues one to midwicket, and Akmal inevitably lofts one to mid on? Who's gonna chase at run a ball? Azhar and Shafiq?

 

[waleed88]

Just made a 90* on the last tour on a spicy NZ pitch where all our other batsmen couldn't do jack.

Yes and I mentioned before it was an outstanding knock, but he has played 10 innings since then with nothing to show of.. hasn't even crossed a 30 run mark.. and he's eaten the spot of Shafiq who had 3 50's and a 100 in that position.. but was put back to no.6 on the basis of 2 ducks in a dead rubber vs WI..

Now you will say he is young and what not, but Sami Aslam wasn't afforded the same luxury this guy was. he was a surprise pick against a full strength English side at Edgbaston, played good knocks in both innings, as well as the final test match.. and has also played great knocks NZ..

Sami was removed in place of Sharjeel for the 3rd game.. despite scoring around the same runs as Babar..

 

[Abdullah719]

Yes and I mentioned before it was an outstanding knock, but he has played 10 innings since then with nothing to show of.. hasn't even crossed a 30 run mark.. and he's eaten the spot of Shafiq who had 3 50's and a 100 in that position.. but was put back to no.6 on the basis of 2 ducks in a dead rubber vs WI..

Now you will say he is young and what not, but Sami Aslam wasn't afforded the same luxury this guy was. he was a surprise pick against a full strength English side at Edgbaston, played good knocks in both innings, as well as the final test match.. and has also played great knocks NZ..

Sami was removed in place of Sharjeel for the 3rd game.. despite scoring around the same runs as Babar..

But how is he a FTB when he can play a knock like that on a pitch that isn't flat?

 

[The_Odd_One]

He's been good in ODIs but only against WI, he failed in England ODIs, played well in NZ ODIs but this was 1 year ago, hasn't done anything worth noting against Australia uptil now, he's given a free run for no reason, needs to be benched

Yeah, drop someone who has 3 100s and 5 50s in just 20 matches and replace him with whom?

 

[Sin Nombre]

Very bizarre thread.

Babar is Pakistan's best ODI player.

This is independent to the fact that Pakistani Qaum has a tendency to overrate and put their young stars on a pedestal which is why it is so easy to list the likes of Akmal jnr, Shehzad, Nasir Jamshed and yes, even Amir.

I think waleed is using the latter to claim Babar will go down the same path. No evidence of that yet.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=135196]waleed88[/MENTION]

I'm struggling to understand the rationale behind your Babar criticism. Firstly, there is absolutely nothing wrong in inflating your average by scoring hundreds. Every top batsman has an inflated average because of that, and that is what you are supposed to do - you are supposed to score 50s and 100s.

Tendulkar scored less than 50 in 307 innings, most batsmen don't get to play 307 innings in their whole life. Would you say that he inflated his average by scoring 49 centuries and 96 half-centuries in 452 innings?

You just cannot disregard the 50+ scores and then deduce the average from the low scores. That is why it is an average.

3 hundreds and 5 fifties in 20 innings at a SR of 91 is an incredible return for a 22 year old Pakistani batsman. At this rate, if he plays the same number of ODIs as Umar has played by now, he will close in on Saeed Anwar's tally of 20 ODI hundreds.

He has had quite a few 30s and 40s as well which means that he has very rarely been dismissed for single digit scores.

There is no batsman in domestic cricket who deserves to play ahead of Babar in ODIs. In terms of batting talent, Pakistan cricket is a joke right now and we are probably better than Zimbabwe only when it comes to producing batsmen. There are no Kohlis and Roots who are waiting in the ranks. Babar is simply the best prospect we have got and he is delivering, which is why he missed the record for the fastest to 1,000 runs by a whisker.

Is Babar performing? Yes

Is there anyone in domestic cricket who deserves to play ahead of him in ODIs? No

Is he already a Pakistani batting great? No

Does he have the potential to become one? Yes

Will he become one? No one knows

Why are you on a witch-hunt against him?

 

[Abdullah]

English commies were saying he is a great talent, but hasn't really performed this series

he has got couple of 30s, so he isnt failing outright, just needs couple of bigger innings and it is an ok series for him. good for his development.
in england he had a problem of conversion but pakistan were mostly miles behind england when he was batting. Chasing 444 in 1 game and being 1-3 ( yes that way around) so it was tough. i remember in first game he was looking a million dollars. he was batting with azhar who was on 42 off 72 and he was on 40 off 42! was given out lbw of rashid even though he edged it but sharjeel had wasted the review.
so dont be too harsh on him as he is learning on the job and honestly its the best place for him to learn rather than our domestic. he is the golden child

 

[Pakpak]

Firstly, there is absolutely nothing wrong in inflating your average by scoring hundreds. Every top batsman has an inflated average because of that, and that is what you are supposed to do - you are supposed to score 50s and 100s. Tendulkar scored less than 50 in 307 innings, most batsmen don't get to play 307 innings in their whole life. Would you say that he inflated his average by scoring 49 centuries and 96 half-centuries in 452 innings? You just cannot disregard the 50+ scores and then deduce the average from the low scores. That is why it is an average. 3 hundreds and 5 fifties in 20 innings at a SR of 91 is an incredible return for a 22 year old Pakistani batsman. At this rate, if he plays the same number of ODIs as Umar has played by now, he will close in on Saeed Anwar's tally of 20 ODI hundreds.

Well said. Discounting 100's is ridiculous. Making 100s is how batsman pad their average.

 

[waleed88]

But how is he a FTB when he can play a knock like that on a pitch that isn't flat?

The pitch eased out, we batted second in the game, if you remember correctly NZ in their 3rd innings scored a mammoth 360+ for 5 wickets, smashing everyone to all parts of the ground..
Same pitch where Sohail Khan also got a 50 (the pitch became easy to bat on day 3).. still taking nothing away from Babar because it was a fine knock.. he has not been able to reproduce that, or even survive on the 5th day which was required from him in the second innings.. after Azhar and Sami gave them a century stand

 

[waleed88]

[MENTION=135196]waleed88[/MENTION]

I'm struggling to understand the rationale behind your Babar criticism. Firstly, there is absolutely nothing wrong in inflating your average by scoring hundreds. Every top batsman has an inflated average because of that, and that is what you are supposed to do - you are supposed to score 50s and 100s.

Tendulkar scored less than 50 in 307 innings, most batsmen don't get to play 307 innings in their whole life. Would you say that he inflated his average by scoring 49 centuries and 96 half-centuries in 452 innings?

You just cannot disregard the 50+ scores and then deduce the average from the low scores. That is why it is an average.

3 hundreds and 5 fifties in 20 innings at a SR of 91 is an incredible return for a 22 year old Pakistani batsman. At this rate, if he plays the same number of ODIs as Umar has played by now, he will close in on Saeed Anwar's tally of 20 ODI hundreds.

He has had quite a few 30s and 40s as well which means that he has very rarely been dismissed for single digit scores.

There is no batsman in domestic cricket who deserves to play ahead of Babar in ODIs. In terms of batting talent, Pakistan cricket is a joke right now and we are probably better than Zimbabwe only when it comes to producing batsmen. There are no Kohlis and Roots who are waiting in the ranks. Babar is simply the best prospect we have got and he is delivering, which is why he missed the record for the fastest to 1,000 runs by a whisker.

Is Babar performing? Yes

Is there anyone in domestic cricket who deserves to play ahead of him in ODIs? No

Is he already a Pakistani batting great? No

Does he have the potential to become one? Yes

Will he become one? No one knows

Why are you on a witch-hunt against him?

Younis Khan is another one who inflates his average btw (just for arguements sake)

My concern is the golden child needs to perform against the (a) big teams in ODIs (not just minnows), the fact he's been failing to convert starts against both England and Australia is a concern, his dismissal in both innings was worrying, he as more shots in the book, but he finds new and creative ways to get out..



The golden child needs to respond to his position as a no.3 batsman, or he should be played at no.6 which suits his style of batting.. for e.g Sami Aslam wasn't afforded the short yard of the stick he's getting.. Asad Shafiq wasn't afforded the chances he got at 3

I have not seen a no.3 batsman who has 2 overs to left before the close of play, but tries to flick it across the line for 4 and gets out LBW in the process..

Despite playing across the line once, and getting out lbw, he manages to get out in the same fashion two more times (once to Starc and once to Hazelwood)

The luxury he is being afforded despite not learning from his mistakes is something others won't be given.. ofcourse, he plays cover drives and straght drives others are not..

Alot of people think I am biased, I might be, but someone needs to look besides 2-3 flashy cover drives and look at what the player is doing, is he learning from his mistakes or not?

He's young cannot be an excuse because you are at the International level.. you are at the same level at others, you are not 'young' anymore.. whether you are 40 or 22, you play for the same team, stand at the same level at others.

This concept of developing players in the International side only takes in Pakistan..

Hanscomb and Renshaw, both newbies at International level, one having the time of his life, the other struggling to get one run, both of them given chances in the series, the commentators noting from the first ball they faced, what they have done, how they performed, who's doing better than who? Eventually both of them performed and both of them were retained.. Renshaw struggling but eventually getting the approval of his critics

I like the excuse you made about not having anyone else in the lineup to replace him, that is exactly what I mean when I say, this guy is being afforded this 'error prone' batting, we are admitting to ourselves and to others that we have no one else but this guy for this spot, he's unbenchable because his absence largely reduces our chances of winning a game in Australia.. we are openly admitting this giving him this preferential treatment..

What I mean when I say, the rotation policy has applied to everyone in the side, it should be applied to Azam if he fails to deliver in this series.. you can't be afforded 14 innings in Australia (9 in Test Matches, 5 in ODIs) and don't even have a half century to show for it

Just like Amir is afforded in the bowling department, if Amir's not playing a match, chances of us winning largely decrease, he's the first pick when you look at the bowling department