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Saqlain wants to play 90s cricket in 2022. We might have done decently well with Babar and Rizwan opening but fact is we can not expect batsmen to score at 15-18 RPO in the last 6 which means Babar and Rizwan either need to split up or they need to modify their batting to suit modern day needs. Strategically we are poor as a batting unit but also that goes with the skill set available. Khushdil, Asif Ali, Fakhar Zaman and Iftikhar are one of the worst middle orders of any top team.
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Former Pakistan captain Moin Khan slammed Babar Azam for his "negative" captaincy in the Asia Cup final against Sri Lanka. In a discussion on Boss News, Moin pointed out that Babar Azam w=should have attacked more when Sri Lanka had lost half their side in the first 10 overs. He said that Babar failed to set attacking fields and should have bowled his strike bowlers to bring about an early end to the Sri Lankan innings. Sri Lanka were reduced to 58/5 in 8.5 overs but went on to score 170 and Moin put the blame squarely on Babar.
"The way Sri Lanka came back after losing 5 wickets and how Rajapaksa played like a senior pro, I think it was a commendable performance and I want to congratulate them.
"I think when they (Pakistan) got a wicket through a part-time bowler then they should have backed him and also kept a slip. As Rashid (Latif) said Babar should have bowled with his strike bowler. This what common sense is when you are captaining a side.
"Don't know why he was trying to stretch the match. He (Babar) must have started thinking about the death overs. When you start getting negative, you can't plan. You play attacking cricket when you are positive. So I think we played into Sri Lanka's hands by not setting attacking field and bowling our strike bowlers when we had the upper hand.
"They bowled badly and the bowling changes were equally bad," Moin opined.
This was Sri Lanka's sixth Asia Cup triumph. Pakistan has won it twice while India has won the continental event 7 times.
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"The way Sri Lanka came back after losing 5 wickets and how Rajapaksa played like a senior pro, I think it was a commendable performance and I want to congratulate them.
"I think when they (Pakistan) got a wicket through a part-time bowler then they should have backed him and also kept a slip. As Rashid (Latif) said Babar should have bowled with his strike bowler. This what common sense is when you are captaining a side.
"Don't know why he was trying to stretch the match. He (Babar) must have started thinking about the death overs. When you start getting negative, you can't plan. You play attacking cricket when you are positive. So I think we played into Sri Lanka's hands by not setting attacking field and bowling our strike bowlers when we had the upper hand.
"They bowled badly and the bowling changes were equally bad," Moin opined.
This was Sri Lanka's sixth Asia Cup triumph. Pakistan has won it twice while India has won the continental event 7 times.
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I've stopped complaining and getting upset about Babar's captaincy. It is what it is and it is something that will not change. We need to win despite the mistakes that Babar is bound to make in the field.
Babar is what I call a template captain - he does not posses a thinking brain to make smart decisions on the field and follows a script.
Babar is what I call a template captain - he does not posses a thinking brain to make smart decisions on the field and follows a script.
Nawaz coming up the order and Shadab little Innings against afganistan were decisions made by Babar.Yes some of his bowling changes in the final was very poor thou.
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Seems Afridi is calling the shots now.
Babar Azam in presser:
"We haven’t finalised the playing XI. We will do that after discussion with the chief selector [Shahid Afridi], who will meet us today. We will try to select the best possible XI"
Babar Azam in presser:
"We haven’t finalised the playing XI. We will do that after discussion with the chief selector [Shahid Afridi], who will meet us today. We will try to select the best possible XI"
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Forget dummy
Please just don’t be a captain at all Babar
Please just don’t be a captain at all Babar
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Babar wont last long and the next test series vs SL i can see a new test captain.
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Give him a chance then lets discuss.
He is definitely the worst guy to handover the selection department.
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I think he's been coasting.
Scoring runs mostly, captain in all 3 formats, no threat to his position. All a bit too easy.
Now things will get interesting as he's got the likes of Sethi and Afridi who are watching him very closely.
Scoring runs mostly, captain in all 3 formats, no threat to his position. All a bit too easy.
Now things will get interesting as he's got the likes of Sethi and Afridi who are watching him very closely.
How will Babar improve now having shown zero progression as a captain after 3 years ?
I recall a couple of years ago reading an interview with Ravi Ashwin after the AUS tour, and the attention to detail that went into his bowling strategies was staggering. He described how closely he watched the movement of Steve Smith's hands, and how they devised tactics to nullify him.
I remember thinking there's very few cricketers in Pakistan that come close to that level of tactical understanding. Instead we're lumbered with Babar who repeats the same anodyne statements after every loss.
I recall a couple of years ago reading an interview with Ravi Ashwin after the AUS tour, and the attention to detail that went into his bowling strategies was staggering. He described how closely he watched the movement of Steve Smith's hands, and how they devised tactics to nullify him.
I remember thinking there's very few cricketers in Pakistan that come close to that level of tactical understanding. Instead we're lumbered with Babar who repeats the same anodyne statements after every loss.
As a skipper it can be an easy excuse if you have a few injuries in your squad, haven't got the strength in depth or great players at your disposal.
But that is when great leaders show their pedigree and class and show what great captains they are.
I'm not seeing much development from Babar in any facet of his captaincy.
But that is when great leaders show their pedigree and class and show what great captains they are.
I'm not seeing much development from Babar in any facet of his captaincy.
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Looks like Babar’s reign has been nipped in the bud a bit. A very mellow and subdued press conference today. Seems like the new regime has told him to cut back on the arrogance and focus on cricket.
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Faheem Ashraf and Mohamed Nawaz for Test team did deserve to be in Test Team.
Selectors will have to pick the team for Babar. He can no longer pick his favorites in the squad.
Selectors will have to pick the team for Babar. He can no longer pick his favorites in the squad.
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Shan Masood and Imam on thin ice
Kamran is a far superior batsman than both of them
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He is still the boss of Pakistan cricket even if he is not the captain. Other players are not even 10% of what he has got
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Almost like Joe root, Babar is scoring runs but captaincy remains dull and uninspiring.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A player being picked as vice captain without Babar Azam's agreement.<br><br>Players being picked in the starting XI without Babar Azam's approval.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PakvNZ?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PakvNZ</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1613836140364054528?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 13, 2023</a></blockquote>
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He deserves this for selecting players in the XI that do not have the nation's approval!
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Babar the captain has now
1. Successfully managed to pick his players for the WC squad
2. Has negotiated raises for his centrally contracted players
Not such a dummy afterall
1. Successfully managed to pick his players for the WC squad
2. Has negotiated raises for his centrally contracted players
Not such a dummy afterall
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What has he given in return?
I don't think the improvement in central contracts can be attributed just to Babar Azam.
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Again! Number 1 ODI ranking
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What do you mean?
He just got his players more money. I'm sure his respect in the dressing room has increased 10 fold. Players know he always has their back
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What are you trying to say? He is the captain of Pakistan or the captain of his friends circle?
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Yup he's certainly the captain and not the gidiyan di rani we were making him out to be. The man has a spine
My point is that his intangible soft skills like people management, negotiating, social media awareness, are strong. He's not as meek as he looks
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Long World Cup ahead.
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We all know this. Babar takes his clique for meals and buys designer stuff for them as well.
That reeks of insecurity and weakness.
The tears keep rolling, the centuries keep coming!
Onwards and upwards, Babar and the boys. Extremely proud to see the respect of PCT under his leadership. Long gone are the days when PCT was humiliated every 2 days.
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Your tears will be rolling when we get humiliated in the World Cup.
Use your Bhangra allowance now because you won’t get a chance to do it during the WC.
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Lol they were humiliated twice in two days by INDIA
And then 2 days later against Sri Lanka
And then a day after when Bangladesh beat India and Pakistan ended up 4th in the group
They are still humiliated every 2 days mate
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What do you make of the 4 months players didn't get paid but were still playing? Not a peep from any of them nor did they make this into a huge issue. A leader that can navigate sensitive issues like this behind closed doors isn't to be underestimated.
This is Babar's team and he owns up to it. Hence why we are seeing loyalty to the captain like never before
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Both were great captains in their era. Babar enjoys power now because these 2 predecessors laid solid foundations.
Misbah was brought in as a whip at a time our cricket was at it's lowest. He played the dad role in the squad. Him, Waqar and Mickey, curbed player power to a large extent and ousted the super star problem childs.
Loyalty to Sarfraz was never in question as he led a fairly young team. Boys that were eager to taste success. Sadly it went downhill after they tasted it. Sarfraz's own loss of form was what prompted the leadership change.
The Babar era is different as we have an established team with 2-3 other prominent personalities in the dressing room. We're seeing the rise of superstars. And we will see more rise now that we play cricket at home. Plus we've been playing India frequently in tournaments for the last few years and performance against them creates stars.
Players like Shaheen, Haris and Rizwan select themselves and don't need Babar's backing. Shadab and Imam are veterans now and know how to get their own. Fakhar is a national hero and will always be a topic of selection. All these guys back Babar and are showing faith in him.
Imo Rizwan is a better captain. In the multiverse, an alternate scenario could've been a public feud between a Babar led group and a Rizwan led group. Factor in the regional and ethnic loyalties that come into play and we could've had a total disaster with players willingly underperforming.
I honestly gotta hand it to Babar and all the boys in keeping it controversy free and professional so far. They're all acting so mature maash'Allah. Very unpakistani like at the moment. Allah pak nazar nah lage
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Your painting a good picture. There are plenty who can honestly paint a bad one.
I’ve been watching cricket since the Inzimam 2003 era. Only from 2007-2011 did I see discord within the team so prominent that it was brought to the attention of the public eye. Since then, Pakistan have been reasonably good with all of its captains. Babar is no messiah, he only benefits a lot from the Pakistan public (in comparison to his predecessors) because he is the only player comparable to Kohli in an era where Indian cricket and Indian batting has left Pakistan behind by 2-3 decades. It feels like the Pakistani public are obliged to defend and hype Babar up at all costs because they need the self assurance that they can keep up with India.
That’s fine if you want to live in a fool’s paradise, but do not make it seem as if Babar is some kind of great reformer that has finally brought Pakistan on the right track.
Give it some time, you will see.
The players carried on playing because they know that if they went on strike, PCB would boot them out, not give them new contracts and pick other players. There is no players association in Pakistan to support them. It was their individual choice. Nothing to do with Babar really.
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To be completly fair, I don't think babar had anything to do with contracts at all.
Shadab and nawaz are in B, deapite being vice captains and some placements are weird like imad waseem in C despite him not being a regular and abrar not even being included.
I don't think babar is involved in anyway what so ever.
Reason why Babar, Rizwan and Shaheen are in A is because of media hype and pcb buying into that media hype.
Babar is captain and word no 1, and media hype has deluded everyone into thinking rizwan is the 2nd coming of gibbs and shaheen is wasim akram 2.0
Whereas players like shadab, almost everyone including pcb know that he's just your average allrounder. Don't get me wrong I think shadab is horrible, but media doesn't view shadab as some 2nd coming of Warne, they view him as just any other allrounder who is a match winner only on his day, not a consistent match winner like the big hyped 3 at the top.
So as much I critise babar's captaincy, I don't think he had any say or influence for contracts, I just think he has a stronghold on team selection aka friends 11.
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Reason I'm saying this, is because if it was up to babar, doubt imad would even be offered a contract. Imad has clearly shown a pretty strong dislike for babar in the past aka not licking his boots.
I believe we might be overlooking a crucial aspect of this situation. This deal represents a significant milestone and achieving it would have been challenging without the united front Babar was able to lead.
It's not a simple task for the PCB to just "boot them out". We can draw lessons from what happened in West Indies cricket, and also, did you observe the recent Pakistan-Afghanistan T20 series? It placed substantial pressure on the PCB.
Credit is due where it's deserved, and in this case, it goes to:
It's not a simple task for the PCB to just "boot them out". We can draw lessons from what happened in West Indies cricket, and also, did you observe the recent Pakistan-Afghanistan T20 series? It placed substantial pressure on the PCB.
Credit is due where it's deserved, and in this case, it goes to:
- Babar and the leadership group for fostering unity. It's not a simple matter to replace a single player, let alone the entire core group.
- Babar, Shaheen, and their colleagues have established themselves as marketable players, comparable to the stature of Afridi.
- We must also consider the changing circumstances. Present-day players have more leverage than those before 2010. Imad and Amir have demonstrated that it's possible to thrive independently of the PCB. This wasn't a viable option for players in the past.
You have to remember that most of the key players in Pakistan cricket currently are part of the same management group.
If that wasn't the case then there would be players going in different directions and wanting different outcomes.
Rather than Babar or any other individual, it's these guys that deserve credit for having the guts to stand up to the PCB.
If that wasn't the case then there would be players going in different directions and wanting different outcomes.
Rather than Babar or any other individual, it's these guys that deserve credit for having the guts to stand up to the PCB.
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Babar has proved that he is a person with strong character by backing his players for the World Cup. One bad form doesn't take away the results this team has produced over the last couple of years. They were even ranked no.1 for a while.
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Lol we were humiliated twice in Asia cup. Worst captain since Moyo.
Exactly - what world are people living in?! There is support, then there’s delusion!
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That's my point too Saj bhai. Babar is involving his seniors with him and taking them along. We have a management group rather than a selfish captain. It's a breath of fresh air and just something that should be appreciated
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Is he a dummy captain? No
Is he a captain who has destroyed the environment of the team, created a friendship group which purses stats over wins, benches our best players? Absolutely. Misbah 2.0
Is he a captain who has destroyed the environment of the team, created a friendship group which purses stats over wins, benches our best players? Absolutely. Misbah 2.0
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I kinda wish he was a dummy captain and mickey was given full control. Although mickey has a few issues as well.
Mickey was always too focused on our batting. We never really cultivated a good spin department or even good pacers besides shaheen during his era.
Mickey was always too focused on our batting. We never really cultivated a good spin department or even good pacers besides shaheen during his era.
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He is a yaari dosti captain
Nawaz getting selected non stop by Babar despite bowling as Saud Shakeel would in an actual match. Fast and darting the ball in.
Nawaz getting selected non stop by Babar despite bowling as Saud Shakeel would in an actual match. Fast and darting the ball in.
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Babar isn’t a selfish captain?
Yes I get your point.
One thing to Babar's credit is that he's not someone who will cause trouble in the dressing room. But my point is that the contracts thing being settled is largely down to behind the scenes discussions and pressure from non-players.
I swear I was literally gonna say the same thing.
They wanted to make strategic minded captains like Younis and sarfraz as dummy captains, but when you get a dummy signed, sealed and delivered like babar, you give the dummy all the power!
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Reading this thread, it amazes me how times change but our attitudes do not. There are always fans who seem to know everything behind the scenes and form firm strong opinions about players and captains and coaches.. you name it. The toxicity reaches ultimate levels. It used to be evident with Karachi vs lahore thing and now it’s just all sorts of this vs all sorts of that.
Misbah was crap,
Younis was crap
Yousaf was crap
Sarfaraz was crap and now
Babar is crap.
Through every era, you can find this sort of attitudes. It’s very rare people behave sensibly and maturely and say .. this is the best lot we got and it’s representing us, so let’s support them. We seem too busy trying to pull the rug from under the feet of players/coaches/you name it that we don’t like.
I’m serious… reading some responses can only result in hyper tension and/or some other mental disorder. Very rarely we get behind the team and spread positivity. No wonder our boys have so much pressure on them and perform so erratically.
Misbah was crap,
Younis was crap
Yousaf was crap
Sarfaraz was crap and now
Babar is crap.
Through every era, you can find this sort of attitudes. It’s very rare people behave sensibly and maturely and say .. this is the best lot we got and it’s representing us, so let’s support them. We seem too busy trying to pull the rug from under the feet of players/coaches/you name it that we don’t like.
I’m serious… reading some responses can only result in hyper tension and/or some other mental disorder. Very rarely we get behind the team and spread positivity. No wonder our boys have so much pressure on them and perform so erratically.
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But i think this argument is fair eought that babar's leadership skills are just crap.
Indeed he is a very good player but its has been established that he can't make better decisions under pressure.
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Those are opinions and very subjective. Hence my previous post. We tend to think of opinions as facts and become very toxic.
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Babar needs to be firmer with his reviews. Bowlers like Shaheen get emotional and carried away. Wasted one today against Australia
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Babar was trying to stop the flow of runs instead of targeting wickets, which is why he tried with Iftikhar.
Yet again pretty disappointing captaincy. Pulled Shaheen out of the attack only after 4 overs when he was looking threatening. Australia's batting order has been woefully out of touch and that was proved once Warner and Marsh perished but Babar just didn't look for wickets once the initial catch was dropped. Fortunately, the Iftikhar ploy worked but even then just when he and Nawaz had dried up the runs and Marsh might have done something stupid he pulled Ifti out of the attack and brought back pacers. Nawaz and Ifti did not bowl out despite being the pick of the bowlers. Instead more overs were given to Rauf and Mir who got clobbered. Rauf's took some cheap wickets at the end and people would argue that he pulled it back really well but make no mistake he and Mir are the reason Australia have been able to put up this massive score: 165 runs in 17 overs!
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He's back and once again showcasing how shrewd he is. If one thing he has shown growth in, it's on how to consolidate power. He's come a long way from being a dummy to being a politically astitute figure. Someone that can navigate the complex social structure of PCB politics. Countless chairmen and coaches have come and gone yet Babar is back and more powerful than before. I have hope that he can translate this shrewedness to on field captaincy.
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