Babar Azam or Sanju Samson - Who is the better prospect?

[marlonbrowndo]

Both are very young. Just 20 and only days apart in terms of age. Both of them are very very promising and can represent their countries in odis and tests for years. Theyre very similar as in they look at ease at the crease and are technically very good for their age.


Sanju samsons stats are :

Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave SR
T20Is 1 1 0 19 19 19.00 79.16

First-class 22 37 4 1490 211 45.15 54.71

List A 37 34 6 849 90 30.32 76.34

Twenty20 68 63 6 1379 76 24.19 118.67

Babar azams stats are :


Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50
ODIs 3 3 0 91 54 30.33 109 83.48 0 1

First-class 20 31 2 1013 266 34.93 1908 53.09 1 6

List A 51 51 6 2102 142* 46.71 2674 78.60 6 14

Twenty20 23 22 7 703 77* 46.86 590 119.15 0 6

As you can see babar has phenomenal list a stats. (Had an average of 50 before making odi debut) while sanju has greater first class stats. However i think both these batsmen will do really well both in tests in odis. Babars first class stats will improve and it must be noted that misbah, azhar and shafiq all had average first class stats but great list a stats and have done well in tests.

In my opinion having seen both of them bat, babar is a better prospect but sanju is really being managed well by india by the likes of dravid and all. You can call babar azam a thinking version of umar akmal. Probably less explosive but with the same number of shots. Loves playing with a straight bat and for an opener is very good against spin. Also a team man. Both of these batsmen were considered international prospects since their early teens and i think both will do very very well.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Sorry the stats look weird here is a better view.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] i want your views on this

 

[Pakcricket89]

Sanju is much better batsman and can keep too

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Sanju is much better batsman and can keep too

i think watching them bat they look at par with each other. babar is a very god fielder. true keeping brings its own benefit to the team

 

[MMHS]

Babar is probably better batsman, while SS is more attacking batsman & keeps as well. I don't go much on their FC stats as despite change in Indian FC wickets, still it's much better batting wicket, at least batsmen can play their shots. In last 5-6 years Babar's entire FC career is played on wickets suitable for both Cricket & hockey; still I watched his 257 last winter & it's one of the best domestic Innings that I have seen.

Who is better prospect? - undoubtedly Babar. That's partially because I think he is a better organized batsman & a genuine Top 3 prospect (though PCB might use him at 7) but more so the countries they represent. Babar has a very good chance to play for PAK for 15+ years; while SS 'll have to compete with at least 20 such U23 players for a single spot. He doesn't keep well - unless there is a significant improvement in his keeping, I actually am not sure how many matches he 'll play for IND.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Babar is probably better batsman, while SS is more attacking batsman & keeps as well. I don't go much on their FC stats as despite change in Indian FC wickets, still it's much better batting wicket, at least batsmen can play their shots. In last 5-6 years Babar's entire FC career is played on wickets suitable for both Cricket & hockey; still I watched his 257 last winter & it's one of the best domestic Innings that I have seen.

Who is better prospect? - undoubtedly Babar. That's partially because I think he is a better organized batsman & a genuine Top 3 prospect (though PCB might use him at 7) but more so the countries they represent. Babar has a very good chance to play for PAK for 15+ years; while SS 'll have to compete with at least 20 such U23 players for a single spot. He doesn't keep well - unless there is a significant improvement in his keeping, I actually am not sure how many matches he 'll play for IND.

theres a reason i rate you one of the best posters here. well said. doesnt matter which side you choose you always justify well

 

[hussain.r97]

Babar is probably better batsman, while SS is more attacking batsman & keeps as well. I don't go much on their FC stats as despite change in Indian FC wickets, still it's much better batting wicket, at least batsmen can play their shots. In last 5-6 years Babar's entire FC career is played on wickets suitable for both Cricket & hockey; still I watched his 257 last winter & it's one of the best domestic Innings that I have seen.

Who is better prospect? - undoubtedly Babar. That's partially because I think he is a better organized batsman & a genuine Top 3 prospect (though PCB might use him at 7) but more so the countries they represent. Babar has a very good chance to play for PAK for 15+ years; while SS 'll have to compete with at least 20 such U23 players for a single spot. He doesn't keep well - unless there is a significant improvement in his keeping, I actually am not sure how many matches he 'll play for IND.

Well said.

 

[Ahson8]

Babar Azam easily.

 

[ExplicitAI]

I'd have to go with Babar

 

[Raw deal]

Sanju Samson is all class. Don't know much about the other guy.

 

[Indian_Supporter]

Mayank Agarwal is better than both.

 

[dashing_man]

Who is Sanju Samson ?

 

[Fantasy]

Very difficult to choose from the two.They are pretty much on the same level at this level.Have seen a lot of Babar in domestics but not much of SS,so can't choose from the two at this point in time.Will wait for some time before jumping on a bandwagon.

But one thing which I can say is Sanju Samson is better to watch than Babar.His lofted shots over the bowlers' head with a full face is a real treat to watch.But that is just aesthetics not the real batsmanship.

So will have to wait.

 

[Madplayer]

didnt babar azam use to keep wickets as well??

On topic, babar azam wipes the floor with sanju.

 

[as-95]

Neither have a lot of international experience so I will reserve my opinion for the time being. But Samson will have a tougher time trying to break into the Indian batting lineup.

 

[Ahson8]

didnt babar azam use to keep wickets as well??

On topic, babar azam wipes the floor with sanju.

No lol, he does bowl some useful offspin though.

 

[Indian_Supporter]

didnt babar azam use to keep wickets as well??

On topic, babar azam wipes the floor with sanju.

How did you come to that conclusion?

Samson avgs 46 in first class cricket with 6 centuries.

Azam avgs 35 in first class cricket with 1 century.

Anything to back your claim?

 

[Ahson8]

How did you come to that conclusion?

Samson avgs 46 in first class cricket with 6 centuries.

Azam avgs 35 in first class cricket with 1 century.

Anything to back your claim?

Not easy to score in Pakistan FC cricket. Pitches are extremely bowler-friendly and medium pacers wreak havoc especially in the first innings. Still, given his potential, Babar has underachieved in FC cricket.

He scored a ton vs Australia for Pakistan A in the side game before the PAK vs AUS series, and a 200 in the FC final, so he's clearly improving.

 

[TeymurBlake]

Personally both players have showed there potential. It just depends how they will be utilised my there countries. First and for most neither needs to be rushed into the international stage so soon as they both are relatively young. Second they still need to time in domestic cricket to show more of there potential as they have plenty of time. Finally both youngsters need to have consistency in domestic cricket for them to be consider greats or international material.

 

[Mobashir]

How did you come to that conclusion?

Samson avgs 46 in first class cricket with 6 centuries.

Azam avgs 35 in first class cricket with 1 century.

Anything to back your claim?

Samson played a vital role in India loosing a T20I to Zimbabwe. Hope he continues like that.

One International match played, one match loosing innings to his name.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/885971.html

 

[#GreenRoars]

Both are equal i guess. But they still they don't have much international experience, International game is much different from U 19 level and domestic level.

 

[Itachi]

For now, babar.

But bcci grooms player better so samson has better prospect.

Pcb somehow screws up good young players.

 

[Madplayer]

How did you come to that conclusion?

Samson avgs 46 in first class cricket with 6 centuries.

Azam avgs 35 in first class cricket with 1 century.

Anything to back your claim?

my eyes

 

[Indian_Supporter]

my eyes

Fair enough

 

[Bilal7]

How did you come to that conclusion?

Samson avgs 46 in first class cricket with 6 centuries.

Azam avgs 35 in first class cricket with 1 century.

Anything to back your claim?

There is something inherently wrong with this argument. The Pakistani domestic scene has much better bowlers than it's Indian counter-part.

 

[Firebreaker]

Sanju Samson because he has played against some good international quality bowlers

 

[jusarrived]

Not easy to score in Pakistan FC cricket. Pitches are extremely bowler-friendly and medium pacers wreak havoc especially in the first innings. Still, given his potential, Babar has underachieved in FC cricket.

He scored a ton vs Australia for Pakistan A in the side game before the PAK vs AUS series, and a 200 in the FC final, so he's clearly improving.

its a lot more difficult in Indian domestic , tailor made for medium pacers .

The important thing is Samson has mostly played in lower league where hes scored against weaker teams

 

[jusarrived]

Samson played a vital role in India loosing a T20I to Zimbabwe. Hope he continues like that.

One International match played, one match loosing innings to his name.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/885971.html

you should really stop watching cricket , some of your logic is beyond stupid

 

[jusarrived]

On the OPs question , I think Babar has better overall game for test cricket . A more "rounded" player imo .
Arguably the best batting talent I have seen from Pak in a while .

Samson is a touch more gifted , slightly better timer but is flashy , he may have a very good ODI/T20 career but cant see him do very well in Test cricket . Hes overhyped imo

 

[Syed1]

One thing people failed to mention is that Babar can also bowl and can be a handy part-timer for Pakistan.


In any case, you might have a million runs in domestic but if you can't score in international then it doesn't really matter. Wait till both become consistent members of their sides and actually score some valuable runs.

 

[jusarrived]

There is something inherently wrong with this argument. The Pakistani domestic scene has much better bowlers than it's Indian counter-part.

Avg of 35 is poor by any standards . is you domestic scene better than Internationals too ?

 

[Syed1]

Samson played a vital role in India loosing a T20I to Zimbabwe. Hope he continues like that.

One International match played, one match loosing innings to his name.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/885971.html

He is following in the footsteps of his hero

 

[Indian_Supporter]

There is something inherently wrong with this argument. The Pakistani domestic scene has much better bowlers than it's Indian counter-part.

May be...I dont know. I do not follow Pakistan domestic cricket so cannot answer you. Only have to go by stats. However, Azam's list A record is significantly better than Samson which give me a hint that Samson will be a better test bat and Babar will be a gun ODI player.

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[Bilal7]

Avg of 35 is poor by any standards . is you domestic scene better than Internationals too ?

Green pitches + The best bowlers, by far, in Asia does make it difficult to average 45+ for 19-20 year olds. This might ensure that the new generation of batsmen that are picked on merit will do very well at the international level too.

May be...I dont know. I do not follow Pakistan domestic cricket so cannot answer you. Only have to go by stats. However, Azam's list A record is significantly better than Samson which give me a hint that Samson will be a better test bat and Babar will be a gun ODI player.

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Difficult to say at this stage in their careers. They have a long way to go before becoming good players in either format.

 

[BigBoy123]

How did you come to that conclusion?

Samson avgs 46 in first class cricket with 6 centuries.

Azam avgs 35 in first class cricket with 1 century.

Anything to back your claim?

Lol in ur domestic crkt even umesh yadav can score a century which pretty much sums up the level of ur bowling

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[Hawkeye]

Lol in ur domestic crkt even umesh yadav can score a century which pretty much sums up the level of ur bowling

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Do we have Wasim Akrams in our domestic circuit?

This logic is wrong. If we have so much quality bowlers, how come we're only producing Shehzad, Farhat, Malik and Mukhtar? While India keeps producing quality batsmen who face "poor" bowlers.

Actually, if you think, guys like Sharjeel, Fawad, Malik, Farhat and Kamran Akmal are domestic bullies. How come they have so good domestic stats facing top bowlers? And fail in international cricket.

Just don't give justifications for averages, domestic statistics don't matter much and they often misguide.

 

[Syed1]

Domestic stats across countries mean zilch..

Samson's domestic stats should be compared with other Indian batsmen and same for Babar..

If you want to compare Babar and Samson then do so based on their international careers (when that happens)

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Babar Azam - the next Umar Akmal or the next Shehad?

 

[Hawkeye]

Sanju Samson has a high chance of transforming into a successful international batsman.

Babar Azam can go the Umar Amin route, so much talent and beautiful to watch yet struggle in internationals. Though I'd argue that Amin has so far not gotten a proper chance.

We don't have a batting culture. Plus as others said don't cross compare domestic stats of countries. In our case, Malik/Akmal/Khurram/Khalid Latif dominate domestic but nothing in internationals.

 

[Lurker_Ind]

Never seen Babar Azam play. Cannot comment.

Have watched Sanju play quite a bit. I would have made him play in T20's against SA. But Dhoni is too stubborn. He does not like to give chances to youngsters. He has a fixed set of players in his mind and nobody outside of those fixed set can dream of playing cricket for India.

Its sad that Mayank Agarwal is not playing T20's for India. Someone like Gurkeerat is much better than Rayadu. What about that Pandya guy who bowls at decent pace and also can hit the ball a fair distance?

As long as MSD is the captain, you will never see the likes of Samson play for India.

Pak usually tends to give chances to youngsters more often than India.

 

[jusarrived]

Green pitches + The best bowlers, by far, in Asia does make it difficult to average 45+ for 19-20 year olds. This might ensure that the new generation of batsmen that are picked on merit will do very well at the international level too.

Hasnt the bowling always been much better & by that logic Pak should have had the best batsmen as well ? it dosent exactly work that way .
A batsmen averaging high facing inferior bowling may or may not succeed at international level , but a batsmen with a poor average in domestic has no are very little chance of being good at international level , if they do its an exception .

Like I have said earlier I have like Babar a lot , but the stats are pretty disappointing .

 

[jusarrived]

Never seen Babar Azam play. Cannot comment.

Have watched Sanju play quite a bit. I would have made him play in T20's against SA. But Dhoni is too stubborn. He does not like to give chances to youngsters. He has a fixed set of players in his mind and nobody outside of those fixed set can dream of playing cricket for India.

Its sad that Mayank Agarwal is not playing T20's for India. Someone like Gurkeerat is much better than Rayadu. What about that Pandya guy who bowls at decent pace and also can hit the ball a fair distance?

As long as MSD is the captain, you will never see the likes of Samson play for India.

Pak usually tends to give chances to youngsters more often than India.

If I go and ask 10 Indian fans , they will name 10 different players they want in the Indian team . I agree we need to give more chances to Youngsters , but in the last 1-2 years there has been hardly an exceptional talent to push the seniors in the team .

 

[#GreenRoars]

Babar Azam - the next Umar Akmal or the next Shehad?

Na, he is gonna make his own style.

 

[Imy]

Sanju, there is no doubt.

 

[Syed1]

If I go and ask 10 Indian fans , they will name 10 different players they want in the Indian team . I agree we need to give more chances to Youngsters , but in the last 1-2 years there has been hardly an exceptional talent to push the seniors in the team .

Sharma, Kohli, Raina, Dhoni are playing since God knows when.. which means the core of your batting line-up hasn't changed in a good while. Need youngsters constantly coming in to keep non-performing seniors on their toes..

 

[jusarrived]

Sharma, Kohli, Raina, Dhoni are playing since God knows when.. which means the core of your batting line-up hasn't changed in a good while. Need youngsters constantly coming in to keep non-performing seniors on their toes..

its not a bad thing if your core set stays same as long as they are performing , but yeah I agree with you .

 

[Thivagar]

Sanju might be more talented but I think Babar is ahead of him in terms of turning his talent into ability.

 

[Mobashir]

you should really stop watching cricket , some of your logic is beyond stupid

You seem hurt!

I wasn't applying logic or anything, just showed a fact.
Samson played a vital role in India s defeat against Zimbabwe.
That's all!

 

[KevinFern]

Sanju might be more talented but I think Babar is ahead of him in terms of turning his talent into ability.

Don't you even utter the word talent. Didn't you read that interview by Rohit?

 

[KevinFern]

You seem hurt!

I wasn't applying logic or anything, just showed a fact.
Samson played a vital role in India s defeat against Zimbabwe.
That's all!

That match was pretty gone out of hand by the time he came to crease which might have been when 5 or 6 wickets were down and anyway it was a t20.

 

[Bilal7]

Hasnt the bowling always been much better & by that logic Pak should have had the best batsmen as well ? it dosent exactly work that way .
A batsmen averaging high facing inferior bowling may or may not succeed at international level , but a batsmen with a poor average in domestic has no are very little chance of being good at international level , if they do its an exception .

Like I have said earlier I have like Babar a lot , but the stats are pretty disappointing .

The bowling has been there but the pitches were roads until recently. A young batsman who learns how to bat on difficult pitches ill be more equipped to deal with them at the international level, when compared to a batsman that plays on roads.

This might have the opposite effect on pace bowlers because they'll be playing on helpful pitches but given Pakistan's history, I wouldn't worry over it too much.

 

[Thivagar]

Don't you even utter the word talent. Didn't you read that interview by Rohit?

Rohit is a dud, he is probably the least respected player despite scoring 2 double centuries in an ODI, one of them was 250+ LOL.

 

[KevinFern]

Rohit is a dud, he is probably the least respected player despite scoring 2 double centuries in an ODI, one of them was 250+ LOL.

Just joking[emoji12]

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[Mobashir]

That match was pretty gone out of hand by the time he came to crease which might have been when 5 or 6 wickets were down and anyway it was a t20.

No way the T20 is gone when you require 77 from 11 overs with 5 wickets in hand against : Utseya, Muzarabani, Mpofu, Chibhaba, Williams, Cremer, Sikander Raza....

 

[#GreenRoars]

Both are equally talented, but the better prospect will be who develops his talent into performance

 

[Romali_rotti]

Umm who is Babaz Azam again ? I cant see any clips on him anywhere..

 

[#GreenRoars]

Umm who is Babaz Azam again ? I cant see any clips on him anywhere..

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2sa918
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x36cmn9

 

[Mobashir]

Umm who is Babaz Azam again ? I cant see any clips on him anywhere..

You can't even search properly!

 

[Romali_rotti]

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2sa918
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x36cmn9

Saw the shot at 1:50 looked very good...... Sanju looks better imo, this could turn into another Kohli vs Akmal in the coming years

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Babar is way better than this guy. Samson averaged 16 in the last first class season so his first class average has dropped to 36 plus he has looked rubbish in the IPL

 

[marlonbrowndo]

While Babar has looked amazing so far in intl cricket even on an away NZ tour

 

[LastManstanding]

Dravid rates Samson, so its good enough for me.

 

[JaDed]

Right now Babar is defn better but the thing is Pakistani batting is that great which makes him look better than he is.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Babar is way better than this guy. Samson averaged 16 in the last first class season so his first class average has dropped to 36 plus he has looked rubbish in the IPL

IPL is rubbish too. Don't take it seriously. Players like samson use it to make easy money.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Right now Babar is defn better but the thing is Pakistani batting is that great which makes him look better than he is.

But he looked as good as any NZ batsman in the ODIs. The pitches weren't that easy. Our Pacers and even Azhars bowling troubled the NZ batsmen a lot

 

[JaDed]

But he looked as good as any NZ batsman in the ODIs. The pitches weren't that easy. Our Pacers and even Azhars bowling troubled the NZ batsmen a lot

True but no offense bro but NZ batsman are extremely dependent on Guptill for LOI and Babar for his age is obviously way ahead and Samson isn't being given any chances as such to play for India which might bring in some sense into him.

 

[street cricketer]

Not really impressed by Samson tbh.

Babar vs Pandey is a good comparison.

 

[Sandeep]

Samson has been on a free fall since the last 2 years. Yet to watch a decent innings from him. Babar Azam is Pakistan's best batting prospect and he looks better then Samson at the moment..

 

[JaDed]

Why lol..

Hardik Pandey and Babar? lol dude he is defn better than Pandey!

 

[Sandeep]

I remember we had a similar thread for Umar Akmal vs Virat Kohli around 7 years back. Hopefully Samson can turn things around..

 

[Sandeep]

Hardik Pandey and Babar? lol dude he is defn better than Pandey!

Hardik Pandya

Manish Pandey

 

[msb314]

One thing people failed to mention is that Babar can also bowl and can be a handy part-timer for Pakistan.


In any case, you might have a million runs in domestic but if you can't score in international then it doesn't really matter. Wait till both become consistent members of their sides and actually score some valuable runs.

From what I have seen of Babar - he will adjust easily in international cricket.

Yes, Zimbabwe was a halwa opposition but he looked very good and organized against England.

Against NZ, he was probably our best batsman.

 

[street cricketer]

Hardik Pandya

Manish Pandey

Thank you

 

[JaDed]

Hardik Pandya

Manish Pandey

Oh sheehs my bad dude !!

 

[Lords]

Havent seen Babar Azam but definitely rate Sanju a lot. I wish he was in the team right now but there is no room for him. Its about time he plays international games with the legends of current generation.

 

[Hawkeye]

Fast forward to today, Sanju is nowhere to be seen while Babar has become a permanent part of our LOIs.

Already scored half centuries in NZ and averaging 40+. Too bad had to miss out Asia Cup n Wt20 due to injury.

Sanju might make it as well, he's talented.

 

[Hawkeye]

Samson has been on a free fall since the last 2 years. Yet to watch a decent innings from him. Babar Azam is Pakistan's best batting prospect and he looks better then Samson at the moment..

He's been our best bat along with Haris Sohail. Both are injured. Babar recently scored against NZ in NZ.

 

[Anis10]

Man people need to stop with theses comparison treads

Whenever one player does better then the other everyone runs to the tread to proclaim who's better

Ipl performance don't mean a lot in my opinion, wheather you play good or bad, have seen many Indian batsmen do great in previous seasons and can barely play this time around

 

[rhony]

Babar hands down wins this. Samson has regressed. Even their domestic No.1 Iyer seems to be in a bad form. He was OK last year in IPL.