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Babar Azam or Sanju Samson - Who is the better prospect?

I have seen Sanju at 19 leve, he was brilliant. But after that, never heard of him. Babar is ahead of him.
 
Sanjay is in a bad place right now.

I just hope this doesn't become like Kohli vs U Akmal. Where Akmal got a headstart and looked like a million bucks in 2009 while Kohli looked like a nobody, and then 3 years down the road everything changed and the table was turned.

This is why I request Pak brothers to hold off on getting too much into this, and just wait 2-3 years after Babar Azam has few match winning 100s, and some test double tons and triple tons under his belt. That way, we will be in a safe place to talk about babar and talk down to Sanjay.

Thanks.
 
I don't know much about this Samson as I have hardly seen him.

But Babar has a bright future - he has so much time to play his shots.

I just hope he gets the right guidance and he had a good work ethic because he really should make it as a top batsman
 
This will be like Umar Akmal vs Virat Kohli thread 5 years from now. Remains to be seen which one will take Akmal's path and which one will take Kohli's.
 
Suleiman said:
Sanjay is in a bad place right now.

I just hope this doesn't become like Kohli vs U Akmal. Where Akmal got a headstart and looked like a million bucks in 2009 while Kohli looked like a nobody, and then 3 years down the road everything changed and the table was turned.

This is why I request Pak brothers to hold off on getting too much into this, and just wait 2-3 years after Babar Azam has few match winning 100s, and some test double tons and triple tons under his belt. That way, we will be in a safe place to talk about babar and talk down to Sanjay.

Thanks.
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Double tons. Triple tons. Hahaha dude. You are too good. :)))
 
Well Sanju Samson hasnt played any International cricket and just one T2oI game. So Cant compare them right now.

And I dont think he will be in the team till the time Dhoni is there. Its a long way to go for Sanju. there are many better batsman waiting. Like Robin Utthappa, Sarfaraz Khan, Shreyas Ayer, Manan Vohra and many more
 
Ankit007 said:
Well Sanju Samson hasnt played any International cricket and just one T2oI game. So Cant compare them right now.

And I dont think he will be in the team till the time Dhoni is there. Its a long way to go for Sanju. there are many better batsman waiting. Like Robin Utthappa, Sarfaraz Khan, Shreyas Ayer, Manan Vohra and many more
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So No chance 4Gautham gambhir?
 
Ankit007 said:
Well Sanju Samson hasnt played any International cricket and just one T2oI game. So Cant compare them right now.

And I dont think he will be in the team till the time Dhoni is there. Its a long way to go for Sanju. there are many better batsman waiting. Like Robin Utthappa, Sarfaraz Khan, Shreyas Ayer, Manan Vohra and many more
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Of course you can compare them based on their domestic stats and their current form. Sanju is a bigger talent, but he hasn't performed up to his expectations. Sanju was built up based on his great talent. From what I saw of Sanju in domestics, he premeditates a lot. Sanju can end up like Abd or like Umar Akmal, it is upto him from here on. As of now, I'll have Babar Azam.
 
joly said:
Sanju doesn't look like he has made any progress in 3 years
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This is probably what happens when a youngster gets a lucrative contract in the IPL at a very young age. They begin to think that they are something else and do not have the same desire to improve. Not everybody has Kohli's drive.
 
Both are nobodies right now. Its hilarious for anyone to suggest 1 or the other had a head start. Both have done nothing.
 
Babar azam is now under the supervision of umar akmal at least for this tournament and let's see what happens after this tournament
 
No comparison. Babar wins this hands down. Most talented 20 yr old batsman to play for Pakistan after Umar Akmal.

Sanju on the other hand after lot of initial promise seems to have regressed a little bit. Very poor last FC season, IPL struggles, but he did well in A tours last year. So will continue to get the backing of selectors. Will need one very good FC season to break into the national side.
 
lol. This is going the opposite the many Pakistani batsmen vs Indian batsmen way.

Is this the first one to be in favour of a Pakistani bat?
 
Sidilicious said:
lol. This is going the opposite the many Pakistani batsmen vs Indian batsmen way.

Is this the first one to be in favour of a Pakistani bat?
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Maybe because Samson hasn't even got a proper shot yet on the international stage? :P

Tbh Samson will have to have an impressive start to match Babar Azam. Also let's hope Babar doesn't lose his way like Umar Akmal did though.
 
I never really bought into Samson tbh..

He is a good batsman but too inconsistent.

Babar Azam vs Pant will be a better comparison imo.
 
I'm pretty sure Pant is going to flop so hard after the huge hype created by the Indian fans.
 
Samson hasn't even got a shot at international. How can one draw conclusions regarding who wipes floor with whom.
Based on Babar in internationals and Samson in domestics and IPL
Babar > Samson

Samson I fear wouldn't get proper chance in internationals(was neglected even when in form).There is one chance though if he performs absolutely brilliant in IPL.
 
What happend to Unmukth Chand and Vijay Zol?

I remember watching them during the under matches and they looked really good, is it because of indias batting depth they can't make it to international level yet?
 
Anis10 said:
What happend to Unmukth Chand and Vijay Zol?

I remember watching them during the under matches and they looked really good, is it because of indias batting depth they can't make it to international level yet?
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Don't know why you felt Unmukt Chand was good.
To me he always looked ordinary.Both are not good enough.
 
Anis10 said:
What happend to Unmukth Chand and Vijay Zol?

I remember watching them during the under matches and they looked really good, is it because of indias batting depth they can't make it to international level yet?
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Dunno what happened to Zol, he looked like an elegant version of Brian Lara, see below

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Romali_rotti said:
Dunno what happened to Zol, he looked like an elegant version of Brian Lara, see below

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I clearly remember Some people were calling him tendulkar's left handed version.
 
Pollack;9:)))079182 said:
That is an intelligent comparison even otherwise. Let's see who fits better. :yk
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Pant vs Kock, no comparison can beat these two names, their parents are legends :uakmal:))):)))
 
Cricfan4eva said:
Maybe because Samson hasn't even got a proper shot yet on the international stage? :P

Tbh Samson will have to have an impressive start to match Babar Azam. Also let's hope Babar doesn't lose his way like Umar Akmal did though.
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LOL watch some Ranji or Deodhar Trophy matches, the quality of cricket is so low. Apart from teams like Mumbai, Karnataka, TN and Delhi every other team is trash to max. Bowlers barely hit 125 km/h. Guys like Vinay Kumar is a captain lol. Batsmen have to decimate trundlers in order to get shot at international. Bowlers are like human bowling machines. If he can't do that, no point in selecting him for India.
 
As long as you don't compare Babar with Kohli he is going to win most of the comparisons against other indian batsman currently. He is a quality batsman and looks like a humble guy.
 
Romali_rotti said:
Dunno what happened to Zol, he looked like an elegant version of Brian Lara, see below

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Don't judge a player based on highlights, did you notice how all the deliveries were either short or two full ? He did start of with a double century in a Ranji trophy debut and a another century vs NZ A on his List A debut. Rahul Dravid mentioned that the most grueling part of cricket is FC and the expectation. Every hyped cricketer is expected to play for India by everyone that they had came across. These mini local celebrities are surrounded by hype and expectations. If stardom doesn't get to their head, the pressure will. If I'm correct they have sacrificed their post-secondary education. Imagine watching your friends and everyone around your age going to college/university while you are not progressing. People ask you when you are going to play for India, all the hype starts to fade off, people start praising you less, people start suggesting that you start focusing on education, this and that. It can get to anyone's head. Most of us have never been through so it is very hard for us. This is the story of many athletes around the world that don't quite live up to the expectation. Even couple of U-19 cricketers of Canada were caught in between the crossroad back when we had the ODI status and the senior players were actually getting paid. You can only imagine the pressure of youngsters in a country like India.
 
Thivagar said:
What makes you think that ? Are you assuming or do you have first hand information ?
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well he has some attitude issues (he had an alterations with KCB during ranji trophy) , even dropped from the team during Ranji season
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
As long as you don't compare Babar with Kohli he is going to win most of the comparisons against other indian batsman currently. He is a quality batsman and looks like a humble guy.
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Not in tests in LOI yes,Rahul is also better than him in tests.
 
Vijay Zol,Chand,Sangwan there are lot of names that get lost,thing is these youngsters either find their groove much later like Karun,Dhawan or they vanish away like Tiwari.

Not all U-19 talent will get the backing of scouts and rightly so,because these same batsmen struggle against domestic bowlers but some do get fast tracked,

Currently Ishan Kishan,Rishabh Pant the two upcoming Indian batsmen that are being groomed and given chances along with Kuldeep Yadav every other youngster is not going to make the cut for atleast next 2 years.

I'm expecting the likes of Shreyas to bloom around 25 and Sarfaraz Khan as well.
 
JaDed said:
Vijay Zol,Chand,Sangwan there are lot of names that get lost,thing is these youngsters either find their groove much later like Karun,Dhawan or they vanish away like Tiwari.

Not all U-19 talent will get the backing of scouts and rightly so,because these same batsmen struggle against domestic bowlers but some do get fast tracked,

Currently Ishan Kishan,Rishabh Pant the two upcoming Indian batsmen that are being groomed and given chances along with Kuldeep Yadav every other youngster is not going to make the cut for atleast next 2 years.

I'm expecting the likes of Shreyas to bloom around 25 and Sarfaraz Khan as well.
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My fear is that we hyped Unmukt Chand, Samson and Zol way too much. Just as we are going with Pant and Ishan Kishan after just 1 FC season.

We (also the Indian media) are falling into typical PP mentality of hyping cricketers as the next best thing after bread, then seeing them fail.

My fear is that we will see the same with Kuldeep Yadav and Sarfaraz.
 
Sidilicious said:
My fear is that we hyped Unmukt Chand, Samson and Zol way too much. Just as we are going with Pant and Ishan Kishan after just 1 FC season.

We (also the Indian media) are falling into typical PP mentality of hyping cricketers as the next best thing after bread, then seeing them fail.

My fear is that we will see the same with Kuldeep Yadav and Sarfaraz.
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How does hyping someone up in media turn him into rubbish?
 
Madplayer said:
How does hyping someone up in media turn him into rubbish?
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Because the cricketer starts thinking of himself as a superstar even before he becomes one. Not all cricketers have the mental strength of a Tendulkar or a Kohli.

Due to IPL, these 19yos are already rich with fancy cars. They already have fans clamouring for their autographs. Now they start believing that they will make it to the Indian team without much hard work and start developing attitude problems.

Let me put the point differently - If Shehzad and Umar Akmal were more down to earth or had the attitude of a Kohli or a Root, do you think their careers would have been in the state it is now?
 
[MENTION=134408]Sidilicious[/MENTION]
I don't think Indians hyped zol and chand much. Samson and shreyas iyer were hyped. Both haven't got chances at international as such they cannot be termed failures. They are struggling at domestics though. It happens. I am not sure about iyer but Samson will be alright in future.

Shahzads career would have been only slightly better if he wasn't hyped. Umar would remain the same. If anything hype is allowing him to get more and more chances to prove himself. He simply doesn't have proper understanding of game.Opening is the last slot they could try him.
 
Pollack said:
[MENTION=134408]Sidilicious[/MENTION]
I don't think Indians hyped zol and chand much. Samson and shreyas iyer were hyped. Both haven't got chances at international as such they cannot be termed failures. They are struggling at domestics though. It happens. I am not sure about iyer but Samson will be alright in future.
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On PP they were, tbh. I hope you are right and we see Samson back. Iyer was not hyped as much, but he has been doing well.

Pollack said:
Shahzads career would have been only slightly better if he wasn't hyped. Umar would remain the same. If anything hype is allowing him to get more and more chances to prove himself. He simply doesn't have proper understanding of game.Opening is the last slot they could try him.
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I am not saying that either one of them would have been of Root/Kohli level. But with a better attitude they would have made decent cricketers for Pakistan. UA would actually have been able to work on his understanding of the game, rather than just trying to hock every other ball. Shehzad would easily have become a decent opening bat in tests.
 
Sidilicious said:
On PP they were, tbh. I hope you are right and we see Samson back. Iyer was not hyped as much, but he has been doing well.



I am not saying that either one of them would have been of Root/Kohli level. But with a better attitude they would have made decent cricketers for Pakistan. UA would actually have been able to work on his understanding of the game, rather than just trying to hock every other ball. Shehzad would easily have become a decent opening bat in tests.
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Fair enough.
 
No 50 in the last 13 innings for Samson. Played a stupid shot and got caught in the long off to a short pitched spin ball by some 30 year old who spun no more than 3-4 inches. Didn't even use his back foot.
 
I don't understand why Samson was hyped in the first place.

Not technically sound nor was he destroying domestic FC cricket.

Same for Unmukt Chand.


Silly to compare them to Shreyas Iyer (who will break into the senior setup by his mid-20s) and Pant (will be a dominant player in the absence of any technical issues which domestic FC cricket hasn't exposed).
 
Samson looks much improved. I hope he gets a chance at international level so we can see what he can do.
 
Samson is a prospect, albeit a wonderful one. Babar is delivering in international cricket already. Not a great comparison; think Babar current comparison is someone like Rahul who's had some international cricket behind him already.
 
Both are different players one is wicket keeper batsmen other is proper batsmen i don.t know why should both be compared
 
True. Look at Indian wicket keeping prospects Samson, Rahul, Pant, Ishan. All of them under 24 or 25
 
Samson is definitely a more natural hitter of the ball. Babar’s advantage is that he plays the ball along the ground and doesn’t get out while maintaining a decent strike rate. Two players with totally different approach to batting.
 
Samson has massive potential but needs to show consistency to be a major player in the national scheme of things.
 
No amount of arguments can help against actual international runs. Eventually it will, but IPL is not yet the benchmark.
 
Samson has played only 1 T20 international...lol... He is a nobody at the moment and nothing compared to Babar. Let him play atleast one decent international inning before bumping this thread please.
 
Never mind what the likes of Samson do, it will only be hacks like Jadhav who will end up playing for India.
 
Whatever samson did today was sumptuous,each and every shot he played screams his talent.His shot making was soo effortless with prodigious timing

Also the knock came against a couple of international bowlers in the likes of woakes,umesh and sundar speaks his quality

Bw since babar is a proven player in international level the comparison is absurd.Samson is nothing for babar unless the former get into his national side and did justice to the godly talent
 
Does one excellent innings make Samson better than the likes of Dhawan etc. ? I don’t think Dhawan has ever played that kind of innings.
 
saeed5646 said:
Yeah every tom and dick of india is better than babar

Shall we wait to see what samson do internationally or you are future teller?
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Dude, Did we not see folks here saying Shinwari better than any Indian bowlers? Where were you then? How about the folks here hyping Newbie Afridi?

Just because Samson not able to get into Indian team, you can’t say he is less popular or lesser player. Ever cricket pundit talks big about his potential and talent.
 
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