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It was clearly a publicity stunt which looked good when he got a wicket in first over but started backfiring when Latham was all over the spinners.
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bad light saved his rear end.... guy is a complete tool... upper chamber has left the chat for him ever since he has become kuptaan...
Yeah, he was publicizing his lack of intelligence.
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Officially THE WORST Test captain to represent Pakistan ever. There is no defending this!
This clown couldn't even preserve his bowlers
There was no chance of a win but for Petes sake spare your bowlers who have been bowled into the ground.
Harry potters has probably ran 5 marathons since England serious on dead tracks , spare them for the next test .
There was no chance of a win but for Petes sake spare your bowlers who have been bowled into the ground.
Harry potters has probably ran 5 marathons since England serious on dead tracks , spare them for the next test .
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If ever anybody needed a reason to sack Babar, this is it. Declaring when you literally have close to 0% chance of winning the game while the opposition can win it is just insane to put it mildly. I have never seen a declaration so bad in my entire life. Not even a Romanian team captain would do such a thing.
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the countdown clock caught fire and burnt to ashes with his stupid decision today.... someone put an end to this ** kuptaani
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New low today with with his pathetic declaration, made zero sense. Who was he trying to send a message to.
Send the clown captain to the circus, PCB are to blame for making such a ***** a captain of the team.
He for me now has surpassed Moyo, Moin Khan and Rameez as pakistans worst ever captain.
Send the clown captain to the circus, PCB are to blame for making such a ***** a captain of the team.
He for me now has surpassed Moyo, Moin Khan and Rameez as pakistans worst ever captain.
You left out Azhar Ali, who was the most timid, spineless, gutless captain ever seen.
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Pakistan have had some pathetic captains over the decades but the crown belongs to King Babar.
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The WORST CAPTAIN EVER in the HISTORY of Pakistan Cricket!
Yes, that includes Salman Butt and Wasim Akram!
Yes, that includes Salman Butt and Wasim Akram!
I want to give him the benefit of the doubt and say afridi nudged him to do this.
If that was the case he should have come out at the press conference and said:
" We wanted to see how NZ reacted to the declaration and get some wickets before the next game. We know 138 in 15 overs is chasable on that pitch but we knew there was no way we would get those in given the time remaining until sunset."
But what he has actually said just makes him sound deluded. Which I'm sure he isn't.
If that was the case he should have come out at the press conference and said:
" We wanted to see how NZ reacted to the declaration and get some wickets before the next game. We know 138 in 15 overs is chasable on that pitch but we knew there was no way we would get those in given the time remaining until sunset."
But what he has actually said just makes him sound deluded. Which I'm sure he isn't.
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“It’s not about the win, it’s about sending a message”- Babar, probably 
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How are you sure he isn’t deluded?
Only he in this world sees himself as a T20 opener. He is deluded
Please stop all this hate towards Babar. He is learning and will only get better as captain. He is all alone in this and has no one who can help him. This wasn't just his decision all alone if it was then surely coach and others could told him not to. Pakistan desperately need a decent coach who can help Babar. Yes it was a shocking and poor declaration but I know he was trying to be aggressive and show a different approach but it wasn't right time and coach needed to help him. Babar is under immense pressure with so many changes and his captaincy on the line so he trying different things to keep it.
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Babar Azam has been captain for over 2 years.
He has regressed in captaincy, not progressed.
Above all, no matter the coach, no matter staff, no matter who it is - you cannot teach intelligence.
I wonder if he made that decision to declare against New Zealand or whether he was told to declare?
Bizarre decision which could have cost Pakistan the match.
Still don't rate Babar as a skipper and don't see any improvement at all in his leadership.
Bizarre decision which could have cost Pakistan the match.
Still don't rate Babar as a skipper and don't see any improvement at all in his leadership.
If Afridi wasn't involved in the setup - if have to admit babar is deluded
That's what I'm clinging to
But it was solely his decision to laugh triumphantly at the time of the declaration. Unfortunately, that laugh reflected arrogance, foolishness, and dismissiveness of the opposition. It confirmed my belief that he may not be fit to be our captain.
Test Format is his worst as a captain, but I agree he has been poor in other formats too, ideally he should resign in all formats.
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What we are seeing now is the result of first the post-2010 fixing era where achay larkay were preferred who wouldn't rock the boat and were good Yes men and most of the flamboyant characters have been removed from the game.
There are no characters or leaders in the team who could challenge Babar realistically for the Test captaincy.
Which is a damning indictment of our Test team
There are no characters or leaders in the team who could challenge Babar realistically for the Test captaincy.
Which is a damning indictment of our Test team
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This is part of it, but the main reason has been the demise of our first class structure.
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Babar not helping his cause to persist with Abrar. Maybe should have two pacers on both ends, possibility of reverse now
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Please remove him from captaincy and just rotate stand in captains for the next few series.
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This Test May finally be it
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Seems review not taken against KW off the bowling of Naseem Shah - no one appealed also?
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The department system defo needed tweaks but this idea of mimicking Australia a country with 20m people who play multiple sports compared to one with 220m that has one sport to a professional standard was a foolish idea. Ironic of the galaxy brain who first touted this.
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I know only one player who can take over from Babar and will actually be an improvement.
Shadab.
Trouble is: he is massively unambitious about tests and has injury issues. I have no doubt on his talent or the contribution he will bring to the team.
Failing Shadab, it has to be Shaheen Shah, much as I hate him being distracted. He is assured of his place and he has captained before.
Amongst the others, Imam? Agha Salman?
Shadab.
Trouble is: he is massively unambitious about tests and has injury issues. I have no doubt on his talent or the contribution he will bring to the team.
Failing Shadab, it has to be Shaheen Shah, much as I hate him being distracted. He is assured of his place and he has captained before.
Amongst the others, Imam? Agha Salman?
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You are over thinking it
Saud as Captain with Sarfaraz as the vice to guide him
Keep it simple.
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Saud's credentials?
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A lot of the blame here must go to the wicket keeper and inner fielders. If Babar is standing at mid-on or mid-off then he needs to rely on them. We can blame him for a lot of things but this is one thing he isn't solely responsible for.
Keeper then inner fielders and then the bowlers for edges.
Keeper then bowlers for LBWs.
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Future captains for Pakistan
Tests and ODIs : Imam
T20s : Shadab
Tests and ODIs : Imam
T20s : Shadab
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Babar is not captaincy material. Either you have it/ not have it, one can't improve unless you are 21/22
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I think there is no alternative. Having said that he could have been a bit more pro-active against last wicket partnership. This is a stigma for Babar's captaincy for sure. Allowing 10 and jack to add 100 plus. Good lesson for him.
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Yes, I think so.
A third home Test series loss on the bounce and Babar’s captaincy position would surely become completely untenable.
0 wins and 5 losses in 8 home Tests against Aus / Eng / NZ would be embarrassing.
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I do not know what it is. But the body language looks extremely negative. It almost makes me cringe to see this uncaptaincy.
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Babar's Captaincy is weak, kind of like Inzamam ul Haq's clueless captaincy.
1, Almost threw away a hard earned Draw against NZ by declaring so close to the end, there was no way Pakistan could have gotten 10 NZ wickets in 15 overs, however the total required was totally get able by NZ. In the end Umpires saved Pakistan from the embarrassment of the 5 consecutive home test loss.
2, Did not use Agha Salman for the entire test, used himself instead. There were four left handers in NZ batting line up and Pakistan had Agha Salman as the only spinner who spun the ball away from Lefties. But Babar never used him.
There is more but loosing one home series after another, getting white washed where 2 matches were very close. Is reason enough to bring in a better captain.
Even Karachi Kings learned their lesson it is high time PCB also learned it.
1, Almost threw away a hard earned Draw against NZ by declaring so close to the end, there was no way Pakistan could have gotten 10 NZ wickets in 15 overs, however the total required was totally get able by NZ. In the end Umpires saved Pakistan from the embarrassment of the 5 consecutive home test loss.
2, Did not use Agha Salman for the entire test, used himself instead. There were four left handers in NZ batting line up and Pakistan had Agha Salman as the only spinner who spun the ball away from Lefties. But Babar never used him.
There is more but loosing one home series after another, getting white washed where 2 matches were very close. Is reason enough to bring in a better captain.
Even Karachi Kings learned their lesson it is high time PCB also learned it.
2. How can Babar make Agha Salman bowl when he wasn't even on the field? And Babar knows that they had 4 lefties and he was without Agha Salman, that's why Babar desperately came on to bowl. So credit to Babar for trying.
Also it was Babar who ignored Abrar in second innings because he was leaking runs and was totally out of color, gave Agha Salman a long run with Naseem and Hassan, Agha picked wickets immediately after tea. No credit to Babar there aswell?
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Heavily criticising Babar Azam for not taking right decisions at crucial moments during the ongoing T20 World Cup, former Pakistan captain Intikhab Alam reckons Shan Masood may be a better man for national leadership.
“I had already said when they [Pakistan Cricket Board] made him [Babar] captain of the three formats that it is not the right decision. He has no leadership quality,” Intikhab told Dawn on Friday while commenting on Pakistan’s poor performance so far at the World Cup in Australia where the green-shirts lost their first two group-stage matches against arch-rivals India and Zimbabwe.
Babar and his men now lie at a poor fifth position in group 2 just above the lowly Netherlands, and face a lots of ifs and buts on a very tough route to the semi-finals. With no points in the bag, they must win the rema*ining three group games and also hope a few other results come in their favour.
“It is dangerous for the team to [excessively] depends on the performance of openers Babar and Rizwan; if they fail to perform in a match, the team comes under pressure,” the 80-year-old Intikab said under whose coaching and managership Pakistan won the 1992 World Cup and the 2009 T20 World Cup.
“If you have cricketing sense and scoreboard is in front of you, then you should know how to go ahead; Babar lacks in monitoring the match situation and taking [timely] decisions accordingly,” he remarked.
Intikhab criticised the decision to ask under-pressure spinner Mohammad Nawaz to bowl the last over in the high-profile game against India.
“Primarily, it is the captain who should face the blame for this [wrong call]. He must know who should bowl when,” he emphasised.
On who could replace Babar as skipper, Intikhab picked Shan Masood for the job.
“Shan, I personally feel, has the genes of captaincy at least for ODIs and T20 Internationals,” he opined.
Meanwhile, Intikhab also criticised the PCB for not taking full advantage in the home series against England by not preparing fast pitches.
“Pakistan have been preparing for the World Cup for the last one year testing different [team] combinations. However ignoring the preparations, the PCB made slow and low-bounced pitches for the home series against England, just to beat them,” Intikhab said.
“And don’t tell me that we can’t make fast pitches; we can do it if we want such pitches,” Intikhab asserted.
He said opener Fakhar Zaman and fast bowler Shaheen Shah Afridi were selected to the World Cup squad while they were not fully fit.
“Shaheen [in the World Cup] is not in his true rhythm. Had he been fully fit, he could have completed the second run on the last ball of the match against Zim*babwe whose wicket-keeper could not gather the ball cleanly in the first attempt.
“Pakistan also need nat*ure’s help; none of their remaining group matches should be washed out, which looms large in this World Cup,” he added.
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“I had already said when they [Pakistan Cricket Board] made him [Babar] captain of the three formats that it is not the right decision. He has no leadership quality,” Intikhab told Dawn on Friday while commenting on Pakistan’s poor performance so far at the World Cup in Australia where the green-shirts lost their first two group-stage matches against arch-rivals India and Zimbabwe.
Babar and his men now lie at a poor fifth position in group 2 just above the lowly Netherlands, and face a lots of ifs and buts on a very tough route to the semi-finals. With no points in the bag, they must win the rema*ining three group games and also hope a few other results come in their favour.
“It is dangerous for the team to [excessively] depends on the performance of openers Babar and Rizwan; if they fail to perform in a match, the team comes under pressure,” the 80-year-old Intikab said under whose coaching and managership Pakistan won the 1992 World Cup and the 2009 T20 World Cup.
“If you have cricketing sense and scoreboard is in front of you, then you should know how to go ahead; Babar lacks in monitoring the match situation and taking [timely] decisions accordingly,” he remarked.
Intikhab criticised the decision to ask under-pressure spinner Mohammad Nawaz to bowl the last over in the high-profile game against India.
“Primarily, it is the captain who should face the blame for this [wrong call]. He must know who should bowl when,” he emphasised.
On who could replace Babar as skipper, Intikhab picked Shan Masood for the job.
“Shan, I personally feel, has the genes of captaincy at least for ODIs and T20 Internationals,” he opined.
Meanwhile, Intikhab also criticised the PCB for not taking full advantage in the home series against England by not preparing fast pitches.
“Pakistan have been preparing for the World Cup for the last one year testing different [team] combinations. However ignoring the preparations, the PCB made slow and low-bounced pitches for the home series against England, just to beat them,” Intikhab said.
“And don’t tell me that we can’t make fast pitches; we can do it if we want such pitches,” Intikhab asserted.
He said opener Fakhar Zaman and fast bowler Shaheen Shah Afridi were selected to the World Cup squad while they were not fully fit.
“Shaheen [in the World Cup] is not in his true rhythm. Had he been fully fit, he could have completed the second run on the last ball of the match against Zim*babwe whose wicket-keeper could not gather the ball cleanly in the first attempt.
“Pakistan also need nat*ure’s help; none of their remaining group matches should be washed out, which looms large in this World Cup,” he added.
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Babar did use Agha in the 2nd test however he should have used him in the first test as well, when agha was on field (he caught Neil Wagner). There is also no clarity on where agha was and why he was off field. And also Babar seems to have no say in team Selection. If he does than by what logic Mir Hamza is being allowed play he can't get a wicket and also can't score. Wasim at least got a wicket and made 43 runs and he got dropped and Hamza is still in the side.
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At this point, perhaps make Sarfaraz test captain and let Babar captain the white ball teams. This would give Rizwan a bit of a break as well from red ball, and give us time to develop our next captain. Saffy can give us another couple of years as a test player.
Agha had viral flu was on and off the field, he(Agha) admitted in the press conference that he wasn't well enough to bowl. The point still is that Agha wasn't available to bowl for Babar, That's why in desperation Babar bowled few overs.
About Mir Hamza yes he has no say now after Shahid Afridi and Razzaq or Mir Hamza wouldn't even be in the squad.
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Losing 3 consecutive home series at home is not a joke. Best batsman in the team or not, he is a pathetic captain and just like Wasim Akram did with this guy at Karachi Kings, at some point the PCB will reach a breaking point where they will be screaming enough is enough
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He deserves to be SACKED
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Ehsan Mani, Wasim Khan, Ramiz Raja and Imran Khan blundered by giving this guy the captaincy. Time has told.
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Babar will have the record of losing 3 home test series in a row.
8 tests in a row at home without a win.
Losing as captain twice at karachi, Pakistan. Had only ever lost here twice in entire cricketing history before babars captaincy stint
8 tests in a row at home without a win.
Losing as captain twice at karachi, Pakistan. Had only ever lost here twice in entire cricketing history before babars captaincy stint
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Babar is getting bashed for a result of the match which isn't over yet
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Inzi speaking to media
“Having led Pakistan, I know the pressure of captaincy. Any captain brings improvement with the passage of time but in Pakistan some of us are habitual of criticising [captain] after losing one series. In my opinion, there is no need to change the captain after losing a couple of series,"
“Having led Pakistan, I know the pressure of captaincy. Any captain brings improvement with the passage of time but in Pakistan some of us are habitual of criticising [captain] after losing one series. In my opinion, there is no need to change the captain after losing a couple of series,"
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Weak defensive thinking. Watching someone on the job for 2-3 years is enough to tell whether you have it or not for the job. Captaining Pakistan and continuing to captain Pakistan is not a birth right, it has to be earned via performances
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Well, what about 3 continues series defeats at home Inzi bhai?
Babar does have a say in selection he picked Shan Masood and Hassan Ali.
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How much more suffering will Pakistan have to endure with him as captain?
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Waiting on suggestions for the sure fire alternate that’ll lead Pakistan back to glory, in place of Babar…
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I think [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION] made the point that Southee might get sacked from captaincy before Babar does
Just goes to show the priorities proper Test teams/nations have
Just goes to show the priorities proper Test teams/nations have
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He will be one of our best batters ever. He doesn’t need to be one of the worst captains ever at the same time. Let him do his thing. Find a less reactive and more of a proactive captain. Babar’s mindset isn’t changing—and if it is, we can’t do it at this pace. Maybe we shouldn’t try to change his mindset at all. Maybe he’ll thrive under someone who pushes him when needed and tells him what to do. Need to stop trying to make him someone he’s not.
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This. Exactly this. It’s fallow times when it comes to actual test captaincy candidates for Pakistan, because there’s an acute lack of proper leaders in the team. There’s actually a dearth of leaders (batsmen) in domestic cricket as well.
We need to stick with Babar and just hope he develops and gets more tactically astute.
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This is bad defensive thinking. This is not gully mohalla cricket, its all about performance. It is clear that Babar is not good enough for the job. He has not won a single test at home in our bumper season against Australia, England and NZ and his captaincy is just getting worse day by day rather than improving. No professional organization will keep such an individual in charge indefinately. Ready made replacement or not, the job needs to be given to someone else who can inject fresh ideas and energy in the team. It is the same exact situation England found itself under Joe Root.
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3 years is not enough time to assess whether someone has reached their ceiling as captain?
How many times have I heard this over the years.
The old safety first approach of “no better alternative”
For Misbah in ODIs there was “no better alternative” but the next ODI tournament, we go and win.
There was “no better alternative” than Root. As soon as he left England’s test fortunes have done a 180 and they are the envy of the world.
You need to be bold and brave.
Flogging a dead horse because it is perceived there’s no better alternative just leads to the demise further and further.
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It can also start effecting you personally on a mental level. Needs a break from all the negativity and toxic energy directed at him all the time
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Not having any replacement is a real issue. For now. In the next two years, maybe some of the others might have more experience under their belts to be contenders. Till then, would hiring a more aggressive and astute coach help things? If it has to be Babar, something still needs to change. He seems to get too much validation in the dressing room and there seem to be no other perspectives.
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Ok, so who is our Ben Stokes? Who’s going to revitalise our test team? Happy to hear suggestions
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Ok, I’m all for being bold. But we need actual alternatives. Who are we replacing Babar with, who’ll make us better than the sum of our parts. Who is the worthwhile candidate I’m not seeing?
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Had you seen Saud’s captaincy for Sindh in the QEA trophy this year, you may not have made this suggestion. He’s as conservative as Babar, if not much more so.
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The more annoying thing than babars captaincy was bazid khan kept calling southee saudi and sodhi sodi.
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I think if babar is sacked only imam can be made captain at the moment.
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